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Decka
02-28-2007, 01:34 AM
Just thought i'd make a thread where you can feel good about yourself if you are a christian.. as certain people on this board try to represent the opposite.

I believe.. I repent... i rescind... I give my life to God!!!

It feels good to say that...

No quarrels in this thread... this is a peaceful zone.

smartmouthwoman
02-28-2007, 08:56 AM
Thanks for starting this one, Decka. Nice to have a peaceful place to talk about religion... for a change.

You know, there's really lots of similarities between Believers and Atheists.

Believers usually lead quiet, peaceful lives, humbled by the knowledge that there are powers greater than themself. They strive to 'live right' without hurting anyone and although they may fall, they are comforted by the knowledge that they can be forgiven. When they think of dying, they believe they will enter the presence of God and enjoy everlasting life (because the Bible says so). The greatest challenge they face? Dealing with non-believers who often belittle and ridicule them for their faith.

Atheists, on the other hand, often spend their entire lives trying to disprove what 80% of the world's population believes. They enjoy an inflated ego brought on by the illusion that they must indeed be smarter than the rest of the world since proving there is NOT a God is much more challenging than blindly following the scriptures. When they think of dying, they envision nothingness. Unfortunately, they'll never be able to sit back and smugly say, "I told you so" because if they really are right and this life is all there is... well, that's all there is.

But if they're WRONG, their greatest challenge will be an eternity in hell because they've spent their life in blasphemy* of God (because the Bible says so).

If I'm gonna be wrong, I'd rather err on the side of everlasting life than everlasting hell. But that's just me... to each his own!

:)
SMW

*Main Entry: blas·phe·my
Pronunciation: 'blas-f&-mE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -mies
1 a : the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God b : the act of claiming the attributes of deity
2 : irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable

rendova
02-28-2007, 09:23 AM
My favorite quotation by Jesus Christ:

Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone.

Phyrex
02-28-2007, 09:48 AM
Whats scarier, going through life believing in God and finding out there isnt one, or going through life not believeing in god and finding out there is?

dharmabum
02-28-2007, 09:49 AM
Just thought i'd make a thread where you can feel good about yourself if you are a christian..

Nobody can make you feel bad about yourself.

If you don't feel good about yourself, don't look outside yourself for the reason.

dharmabum
02-28-2007, 09:50 AM
Whats scarier, going through life believing in God and finding out there isnt one, or going through life not believeing in god and finding out there is?

That question largely depends upon what your concept of "God" is.

Evakian
02-28-2007, 10:29 AM
No quarrels in this thread... this is a peaceful zone.
Good luck with keeping it that way.
Believers usually lead quiet, peaceful lives, humbled by the knowledge that there are powers greater than themself.
I don't know any Christian under 65 that leads a quiet, peaceful life of faith.
Dealing with non-believers who often belittle and ridicule them for their faith.
You spend the next paragraph of this post belittling atheists. What happened the quiet, peaceful life?
If I'm gonna be wrong, I'd rather err on the side of everlasting life than everlasting hell. But that's just me... to each his own!
Pascal's Wager is an awful argument. What about the possibility of other gods? Or the concept of no afterlife despite gods, or even reincarnation?

Decka
02-28-2007, 11:48 AM
GEEEZ GUYS.. YOU ARE RUINING MY PEACE PALACE!!!!

Let me say what DOESN'T belong here:

Smarthmouthwoman.. you HAD to open your mouth about athiests... your quote:

Atheists, on the other hand, often spend their entire lives trying to disprove what 80% of the world's population believes. They enjoy an inflated ego brought on by the illusion that they must indeed be smarter than the rest of the world since proving there is NOT a God is much more challenging than blindly following the scriptures. When they think of dying, they envision nothingness. Unfortunately, they'll never be able to sit back and smugly say, "I told you so" because if they really are right and this life is all there is... well, that's all there is.

... is SO inviting for a rebuttal...and low and behold.. a QUARREL! Shame on you for opening up a can of worms.

And then Phyrex you ask a very good question.. but this isn't the thread for it.. SHAME ON YOU.

And dharma.. trying to spread your beliefs onto others. Everyone needs outside help at sometime in their life.. that's all i will say.. this is a PEACE PALACE!!!

I hope everyone has a good day! If anyone has any prayer requests list them on here and we can get a prayer group started.

Life is great, God Loves us!!

dharmabum
02-28-2007, 12:24 PM
And dharma.. trying to spread your beliefs onto others. Everyone needs outside help at sometime in their life.. that's all i will say.. this is a PEACE PALACE!!!


That isn't what I said.

I said:
If you don't feel good about yourself, don't look outside yourself for the reason.

Evakian
02-28-2007, 12:27 PM
GEEEZ GUYS.. YOU ARE RUINING MY PEACE PALACE!!!
What sort of peace palace is this without the bongs?

Decka
02-28-2007, 12:33 PM
That isn't what I said.

I said:If you don't feel good about yourself, don't look outside yourself for the reason.


Okay... well #1, i DONT NOT feel good about myself(double negative!)... i'm fine. BUT.. if one were to come on the religion section of this board and see all of the negative depicting threads about christianity... if they weren't sure about their faith they might feel "bad" about being a christian, and drink FT's cool-aid.

Thats why...

and Evak.. a place CAN be peaceful WITHOUT mary jane, but it can sure be peaceful WITH her;)

smartmouthwoman
02-28-2007, 12:49 PM
"I hope everyone has a good day! If anyone has any prayer requests list them on here and we can get a prayer group started."

Sorry to have posted something you didn't like, Decka... guess I didn't understand this thread was only a front for pro-Christian exchanges.

Maybe you should've named it, "Welcome to Decka's Fun House of Worship... check your beliefs at the door."

Now shut up and pass me that bong so I can be peaceful too.

:O
SMW

Decka
02-28-2007, 12:52 PM
Oh its no problem SMW... yea nothing but positive thoughts here, because that is really what christianity is all about.. Loving your neighbor, even IF they are an A-hole LOL.

*passes bong

Real Sorceror
02-28-2007, 01:14 PM
After a short exchange, an atheist had this to say about my belief in God:
So you're not sure how many there are, or what they are, or what attributes they have, but you are fairly certain there is at least one, and that is not because you drank any kool-aid.
:D I'd say he summed it up pretty good.

WindWip
02-28-2007, 01:45 PM
I want to thank all the theists here, you have made me work more on my arguements than in most classes I have ever taken. Plus I enjoy it :)

WindWip
02-28-2007, 01:48 PM
Oh its no problem SMW... yea nothing but positive thoughts here, because that is really what christianity is all about.. Loving your neighbor, even IF they are an A-hole LOL.

I think he just insulted all of you.

dharmabum
02-28-2007, 04:52 PM
Okay... well #1, i DONT NOT feel good about myself(double negative!)... i'm fine.

So this thread was created on false pretenses.

DarkFantasy96
02-28-2007, 05:09 PM
So this thread was created on false pretenses.
Dharma, you're being a bit rude, in my opinion. This thread was created to be peaceful and if you can't say anything that's not argumentative, maybe you should post somewhere else...

Vilepagan
02-28-2007, 05:18 PM
Atheists, on the other hand, often spend their entire lives trying to disprove what 80% of the world's population believes.

I've known a lot of atheists, and none of them fit this description.


They enjoy an inflated ego brought on by the illusion that they must indeed be smarter than the rest of the world since proving there is NOT a God is much more challenging than blindly following the scriptures.

This is a common claim made by christians, that atheists have an ego problem, and that atheists claim to be smarter than theists. Rather ironic when you consider it's the theists who claim to have knowledge of the afterlife.


When they think of dying, they envision nothingness. Unfortunately, they'll never be able to sit back and smugly say, "I told you so" because if they really are right and this life is all there is... well, that's all there is.


In truth SMW, you know nothing of what the athieist thinks so you engage in the decidedly unchristian behavior of belittling them. A piece of advice. If you wish people to believe you are a christian, learn how to act like one.

I don't belittle christians. I do belittle some of their ideas from time to time, but I respect your right to believe whatever you like concerning God. Allow me the same courtesy without making absurd remarks about my ego.

Decka
02-28-2007, 11:58 PM
uggghh can you drop it Pagan? I already said that post has no business being in this thread... you replying to it only brings it right back from the dead.

Decka
03-01-2007, 01:17 PM
Post if you love God! woooohoooooooooooo

DarkFantasy96
03-01-2007, 02:00 PM
I love god.... But I'm not a Christian, so I'm not allowed to talk about it in this thread.

BorgHunter
03-01-2007, 02:01 PM
Post if you love God! woooohoooooooooooo
...Go team?

Real Sorceror
03-01-2007, 02:02 PM
Post if you love God! woooohoooooooooooo
Who's God? Theres like a jillion of 'em.

~Sal~
03-01-2007, 02:14 PM
I love god.... But I'm not a Christian, so I'm not allowed to talk about it in this thread.
Yeah, so as not to be left out, let's start our own thread: "I love God, and apparently I act more loving than most Christians"

Decka
03-01-2007, 02:27 PM
I love god.... But I'm not a Christian, so I'm not allowed to talk about it in this thread.

because i'm putting down the clamps on you right Dark? LOL

Chances are the christian God is the same as any other god... at least that is a theory i consider.

And Sal.. what "most christians" are you referring too?

~Sal~
03-01-2007, 03:08 PM
And Sal.. what "most christians" are you referring too?
Ah, I just threw that one in there because I was a tad surprised at the anger displayed in a few places and the reactionary attack mode used by some professing Christians.

Here's the thing, IF there is a "Christian" God how would some weak minded human be pretentious enough to presume that "they" knew who would be sent to hell.

My partner is a right wing Christian. He is the most non-judgemental human being I have ever met. Thus I know it is possible to be a kind, loving, understanding human being who gives 100% of himself and calls himself Christian. It's just they are so few and far between.

He knows I have a problem with the whole right wing fundamental approach. We discuss it frequently. If most were like him, I wouldn't have a problem with the whole belief/behavior. Most aren't even close, even mainstream Christians. So I just threw it in there because Christians always "out" themselves. No one has to attack them, or bash them they just have to disagree with them to get bashed.

dharmabum
03-01-2007, 03:51 PM
Dharma, you're being a bit rude, in my opinion. This thread was created to be peaceful and if you can't say anything that's not argumentative, maybe you should post somewhere else...

Yeah, cause Decka is never rude to me. :rolleyes:

DarkFantasy96
03-01-2007, 04:02 PM
Yeah, cause Decka is never rude to me. :rolleyes:
That has nothing to do with it. No one should be deliberately confrontational in a thread meant for peaceful discussions.

dharmabum
03-01-2007, 04:13 PM
That has nothing to do with it. No one should be deliberately confrontational in a thread meant for peaceful discussions.

Ok, so from now on I declare that all my threads are "peaceful threads" and nobody is allowed to be rude or mean anymore. :rolleyes:

I won't hold my breath.

Decka
03-01-2007, 06:57 PM
Ah, I just threw that one in there because I was a tad surprised at the anger displayed in a few places and the reactionary attack mode used by some professing Christians.

I agree that some christians are FILLED with anger, jealousy, impatience, and ego. And some of them happen to be well known and high up christians.

Here's the thing, IF there is a "Christian" God how would some weak minded human be pretentious enough to presume that "they" knew who would be sent to hell.

They wouldn't.. which is a good litmus test.

My partner is a right wing Christian. He is the most non-judgemental human being I have ever met. Thus I know it is possible to be a kind, loving, understanding human being who gives 100% of himself and calls himself Christian. It's just they are so few and far between.

Sounds like a good guy... i have alot of friends like that.

He knows I have a problem with the whole right wing fundamental approach. We discuss it frequently. If most were like him, I wouldn't have a problem with the whole belief/behavior. Most aren't even close, even mainstream Christians. So I just threw it in there because Christians always "out" themselves. No one has to attack them, or bash them they just have to disagree with them to get bashed.

Agreed.. christians should stand out like a sore thumb in today's society. The thing is, today's society pressures you so much to conform that most people can't handle it.. myself included in certain instances.

Humility is a huge christian concept.. and today's society says that humility means you are weak or not "fly" LOL.

Decka
03-01-2007, 06:59 PM
Yeah, cause Decka is never rude to me. :rolleyes:

Well gee dharma i never know my joking or sometimes serious ridicule of you actually hurt.

I'm sorry.. and i'm completely honest, no sarcasm, no nothin.

When I talk politics, I can get nasty... and at other times, i can be the furthest from.

dharmabum
03-01-2007, 07:20 PM
When I talk politics, I can get nasty...

Yeah, I have noticed. It also seems to happen when discussing World News and Religion.

Apology accepted.

Frogger
03-01-2007, 08:03 PM
I believe in the triune God and this belief has sustained me through some very tough times, the death of my parents and my contraction of cancer among them.

I try to pray not only when I am troubled but also when things are going well just to say thank you.

While I don't always act in a Christian manner I try. Both God and I know I'm not perfect. The great thing is, I know I am forgiven.

~Sal~
03-01-2007, 08:48 PM
Humility is a huge christian concept.. and today's society says that humility means you are weak or not "fly" LOL.
I don't understand what not "fly" means but I agree that humility has become a lost characteristic and not one many would care to emulate.

Funny thing is, those whom I have met that I would view as truly exceptional in some aspect are always humble.

Imp
03-01-2007, 09:01 PM
Ah, I just threw that one in there because I was a tad surprised at the anger displayed in a few places and the reactionary attack mode used by some professing Christians.


No one has to attack them, or bash them they just have to disagree with them to get bashed.


Absolutely, Sal, it is a reactionary attack they come after you with. Almost like they are brainwashed to believe it is the only way to convert a wayward soul, thru anger, manipulation or guilt.

I like to disagree with my dad just to see how long it takes to set him off. but he does the same shoving his god down my throat. I'm thinking the lighter air affects their way of thinking from way up there on their high horse.

dharmabum
03-01-2007, 09:37 PM
The great thing is, I know I am forgiven.

Yes, I forgive you. :)

DarkFantasy96
03-01-2007, 09:40 PM
I believe in the triune God and this belief has sustained me through some very tough times, the death of my parents and my contraction of cancer among them.

I try to pray not only when I am troubled but also when things are going well just to say thank you.

While I don't always act in a Christian manner I try. Both God and I know I'm not perfect. The great thing is, I know I am forgiven.
I wish I could feel like that. If I could make myself believe in Jesus right now, I would. I want to believe that God is loving and that I'll go to heaven after I die. I just can't believe it.

BorgHunter
03-01-2007, 10:28 PM
I wish I could feel like that. If I could make myself believe in Jesus right now, I would. I want to believe that God is loving and that I'll go to heaven after I die. I just can't believe it.
That's a view shared by most nonbelievers/skeptics/deists/so forth. I know I'd be happier believing that. Hell, even Freethinker once admitted that. However, beliefs aren't generally altered or formed by wishful thinking.

The truth of the matter is, no one has all the answers and everyone is just making conjecture. Which is why it's important to find your own path. Belief in something "just because I want to", I would argue, isn't even properly religion.

dharmabum
03-02-2007, 12:29 AM
I believe that the universe is unfolding as it should.

Thislin
03-02-2007, 12:46 AM
That's a view shared by most nonbelievers/skeptics/deists/so forth. I know I'd be happier believing that. Hell, even Freethinker once admitted that. However, beliefs aren't generally altered or formed by wishful thinking.

The truth of the matter is, no one has all the answers and everyone is just making conjecture. Which is why it's important to find your own path. Belief in something "just because I want to", I would argue, isn't even properly religion.
It is of course obvious that wishing for a thing to be true does not make it true, nor that we can convince ourselves of something just by wishing for it.

At the same time, and people vary all over the place on this, some people are more or less gullible than others, and the con man's target is someone who wishes for something very strongly. In other words, when we wish for something to be true, we may be likely to give it far more benefit of the doubt than we should.

Thislin
03-02-2007, 12:50 AM
I believe that the universe is unfolding as it should.
I suspect the universe is unfolding as it will and knows nothing about "should." Someday human beings may be able to cause it to unfold, at least a little, in ways they think it "should."

dharmabum
03-02-2007, 12:57 AM
I suspect the universe is unfolding as it will

Same thing.

dharmabum
03-02-2007, 01:00 AM
Desiderata

Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.

Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.


Max Ehrmann, Desiderata, Copyright 1952

Thislin
03-02-2007, 02:26 AM
Desiderata

Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.

Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.


Max Ehrmann, Desiderata, Copyright 1952

Thanks for posting that; we all benefit from seeing it again from time to time.

Decka
03-02-2007, 04:42 AM
I had a tough day today... sometimes praying and belief can get you through a day like today... i am definitely thankful

Thislin
03-02-2007, 06:04 AM
I had a tough day today... sometimes praying and belief can get you through a day like today... i am definitely thankful
This is definitely true, although non-believers seem to do well enough regardless.

Decka
03-02-2007, 06:09 AM
This is definitely true, although non-believers seem to do well enough regardless.

never said they couldn't.. everyone gets inspiration from different things.

Decka
03-04-2007, 09:17 PM
I went to a bible study with a friend of mine the other day.. it was a really good time. We were all guys in our mid 20's, all have drank alot, all have had sex, which are sins... but we are sinful creatures in nature. On the topic of temptation.. here is a good verse that i got from the study:

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Thislin
03-04-2007, 09:41 PM
... but we are sinful creatures in nature.

Sheesh what a wierd idea. Human beings are NOT "sinful" by nature. Human beings are in fact the opposite--doing harm to others (the only thing I might be tempted to label a "sin") is somthing we actively avoid and feel guilty about or suffer other consequences from when we violate it.

Drinking and sex seem to be real bugaboos with Christians. They of course agree that neither is bad "in itself," but only can be bad in certain contexts, so why do they worry about it so much?

Decka
03-04-2007, 10:05 PM
Sheesh what a wierd idea. Human beings are NOT "sinful" by nature. Human beings are in fact the opposite--doing harm to others (the only thing I might be tempted to label a "sin") is somthing we actively avoid and feel guilty about or suffer other consequences from when we violate it.

Drinking and sex seem to be real bugaboos with Christians. They of course agree that neither is bad "in itself," but only can be bad in certain contexts, so why do they worry about it so much?

That's a good point.. and that's what my friend said. We as christians today are always worried about the bad things we've done, but we shouldn't let that get us down. We should stay positive. The natural thing to do when you've let someone down is to implode inward.. but christians need to not worry about what they don't do and what they don't have and realize all the things they do have and all the things they CAN do.

~Sal~
03-05-2007, 08:29 AM
Sheesh what a wierd idea. Human beings are NOT "sinful" by nature. Human beings are in fact the opposite--doing harm to others (the only thing I might be tempted to label a "sin") is somthing we actively avoid and feel guilty about or suffer other consequences from when we violate it. You know that is actully an excellent point. I don't know why I have never put it together that way, but I haven't. The only people who place themselves above personal responsibility for harmful actions are sociopaths or have a personality disorder.


Drinking and sex seem to be real bugaboos with Christians. They of course agree that neither is bad "in itself," but only can be bad in certain contexts, so why do they worry about it so much? You know the other weird thing about the sex issue is that within the Catholic church, doctrine prolaims sex is merely about reproduction. Funny thing is, it never stopped a Catholic from "doing the bad thing" it just gave the world a bigger population. As for drinking, Catholics are all about drinking... no problem there, hell Jesus turning water to wine is a good enough reason to hoist another one.

Thislin
03-05-2007, 08:54 AM
You know that is actully an excellent point. I don't know why I have never put it together that way, but I haven't. The only people who place themselves above personal responsibility for harmful actions are sociopaths or have a personality disorder.


Thanks. I also very much appreciated Decka's response--a true Christian response.

We say all people have "Buddha nature," which is to confirm their basic goodness. I perceive sociopathy as a mental disease, so the phenomenon says nothing about humanity.

~Sal~
03-05-2007, 09:02 AM
Thanks. I also very much appreciated Decka's response--a true Christian response.

We say all people have "Buddha nature," which is to confirm their basic goodness. I perceive sociopathy as a mental disease, so the phenomenon says nothing about humanity.
Well I like that Decka goes to a bible study and struggles with faith/daily issues.

One of the most valuable things that I got from my Catholic upbringing was examination of conscience/confession. It is an excellent path to honesty, kindness and personal growth. Aside from love, I think there is no greater gift you can give a human being than an ability to seek self.

Do you see Buddhism as a religion or a philosophy? In school it was identified as a religion, I have always veiwed it as a philosophy. But since you have stated it is your way, how would you term it?

Thislin
03-05-2007, 09:15 AM
Do you see Buddhism as a religion or a philosophy? In school it was identified as a religion, I have always veiwed it as a philosophy. But since you have stated it is your way, how would you term it?

I call it a religious tradition. There are hundreds of Buddhist "sects," some of which are very religious in inspiration, others are not. All of Buddhism has relgious aspects to it--temples and rituals and monks and myths.

However, it is not a religion in the sense that Western religions are. First, it makes no claim to know anything about the supernatural, nor does it have a heirarchy.

It does have "the way," (with the understanding that there are almost certainly other "ways.").

I would not say, however, that it is a philosophy either, at least not in the Western sense. It is based on introspective meditation and what we can find about ourselves by sitting in meditation. Put a line of at least a thousand years of men (mostly) doing this and they do learn a few things.

Many Buddhist "religious" beliefs are derived from pre-Aryan Indian belief (while Hinduism comes mainly from Aryan belief but also has some of these beliefs). These include karma and rebirth as central concepts.

Buddhism is also "religious" in its central agnosticism--God and gods are not relevant to the "way" and, if they exist, need their own. That is enough from long-winded me unless there are questions.

~Sal~
03-05-2007, 09:23 AM
First of all thanks. That's the clearest explanation I've read and in spite of what you think, it's short so thus concise.

Ah, yeah, I have a few questions. First...Were you raised as a Buddhist? Do you meditate regularly? What do you think of the DalaiLama?

Decka
03-05-2007, 12:23 PM
Well I like that Decka goes to a bible study and struggles with faith/daily issues.


You ENJOY that i struggle with faith and daily issues????

What kind of sadistic weirdo ARE you!!!!;)

just busting your balls Sal:lolhit:

Thislin
03-06-2007, 09:41 PM
Ah, yeah, I have a few questions. First...Were you raised as a Buddhist? Do you meditate regularly? What do you think of the DalaiLama?

I do meditate, about an hour each day, more on certain days. It is not something I advise for everyone, however, and in fact it is generally seen, in Vietnam, as something only for monks. (Lay meditation is beginning to be seen, especially in Thailand where there are now books on the subject, but it was until recently a Japanese thing). If you have to work for a living, it may be that you should not meditate so often, but an hour or so a week can enhance one's life.

The Dalai Lama is technically the head of a heterodox Buddhist "sect," (Lamaism), and, while all Buddhists respect all other Buddhists as genuine Buddhists, the office is generally viewed with question, especially its method of selecting successors.

That said, this particular Dalai Lama has proved himself highly worthy of being a representative of all Buddhism, and even makes one wonder if the Tibetan process does not have validity to it, since it is hard to imagine a random process choosing an individual of such merit.

As for myself, I was born in N. Ireland and raised a Calvinist (fundamentalist Presbyterian), but my family was obliged because of the Troubles to emigrate (flee is a better word) to America when I was ten.

In college I lost my Christian faith per se, and became whatever church was nearby and not too rigid. (I have always thought that there is much positive in religion so long as one is not dogmatic--it provides a moral and spiritual foundation; religious practice provides emotional support, and it is great for social relationships. In belief I suppose one could say I was a wishy-washy agnostic.

When we came to Vietnam, putting our practice into application here, we sought out Buddhist practice (it being the "nearby" "Church"). Rather quickly I realized that Buddhism has things in it that Christianity is lacking, and my agnosticism moved into belief.

Now don't get me wrong--I think, for example, that the Buddha stories are mostly myth and I remain agnostic about rebirth.

It is hard to summarize the things that brought me around, but partly it was the remarkable consistency Buddhist teaching has with the best of Western science--astronomy, physics, and, especially, psychology. (Buddhism makes no pretense to being scientific--it is just that it is consistent with science without having to put "liberal" interpretations on things).

Perhaps the biggest single thing was certain insights I achieved that really solved some puzzles I had always had, such as the "no-self" teaching and the origin and nature of sentience. These are things I tread on lightly here since they cannot be explained without experience, although sometimes the desire to explain overcomes me <grin>.

The Buddhist ethical foundation was another appeal, as well as, of course, the emphasis on tolerance and compassion rather than on authority and "truth" found in Christianity. Here, again, I could go on a long time but find myself already too verbose.

~Sal~
03-08-2007, 06:04 PM
Thislin, thanks for taking the time! Seriously, I appreciate it. I have a few more questions but can't take the time right now to get them down...

Will later...thanks again
Sal

~Sal~
03-09-2007, 05:24 PM
What kind of sadistic weirdo ARE you!!!!;)

Just the regular kind! ;)