What hangs over Ukraine in force of entering NATO

Well, what really hangs over Ukraine in this case? I think you don't need to have some specific knowledge to see that in case of entering NATO Ukraine will surprisingly fall under the influence of America! Yes, it is America to be exact that runs the North Atlantic Treaty Organization by means of political leverage. What is Ukraine for the US? Nothing but a one more spot for deploying anti-ballistic missile defense base and military bases, which is of current concern for the US in the view of military operation against Iran.
Poland and Czechia entered NATO in 1999 and now Washington merely forces them to agree for deployment of ABMD despite all protestations by the population. With all that the US only feels concern about its own security, while Poland and Czechia will certainly become targets of Iran's missile strikes as soon as America attacks Iran.
Besides, Washington is known to force NATO newcomers in Eastern Europe to allow US troops construct secret CIA prisons on their territory, which sets these countries at variance with Brussels. For instance, secret prisons began to be constructed in Poland, Romania and Bulgaria shortly after their entering NATO. I hope you understand that the same awaits Ukraine in case on its entering the Treaty. Indeed, this country is too weak to stand the will of Uncle Sam. Washington will certainly draw Ukraine into every gamble not giving a fig about consequence for this country.

Yea it was a mistake allowing Poland and the Czechs into NATO, and it would be a mistake to allow the Ukraine to enter now, the NATO alliance was set up to protect western interests, not a club for ex Soviet satellites to hide in.

Well Viktor_Yushchenko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko) is probably leaning towards NATO after what happened to him.

Yea well, more reason not to let a guy with a grudge in then.

Yea it was a mistake allowing Poland and the Czechs into NATO, and it would be a mistake to allow the Ukraine to enter now, the NATO alliance was set up to protect western interests, not a club for ex Soviet satellites to hide in.

It's not their fault they were subjugated, and in the judgment of the NATO members, assuring the independence of Poland and the Czech Republic and others is in the West's interest. That does seem reasonable. I think the same applies to the Ukraine, and probably to the Caucasus states as well.

Im not sayong it was their fault they were occupied.
What interests does having these countrys in NATO serve.

Im not sayong it was their fault they were occupied.
What interests does having these countrys in NATO serve.
The primary objective in most military operations is the taking of geography. Raw land is the biggest asset. Eastern Europe allied with the west is Russia that much further away, and, like it or not, it remains Russia that presents the main danger to Europe.

Also, these economies are growing nicely and will soon have much to offer; in the meantime rejecting their request for membership, especially since they were willing to undertake the costs involved, would have been a political disaster.

If thats the case, why dont the Eastern Countrys set up their own neutral military pact, if Russia is still the enemy, theres no point making them edgey with NATO next door.

If thats the case, why dont the Eastern Countrys set up their own neutral military pact, if Russia is still the enemy, theres no point making them edgey with NATO next door.
I think you missed the point. What could Eastern Europe do by itself? My point was that Europe is stronger with them in NATO. I don't really worry about miffing the present leadershi of Russia. It will pass.

Frankly I would like to see Russia get democratic and western oriented enough for it to be able to join NATO. A NATO of that sort would be a powerful deterrent force in the world, but that doesn't seem in the cards. With Eastern Europe firmly in the Western world, Russia will move that direction.

Actually, I think you missed my point, Eastern countrys being in NATO contribute nothing to Europe, apart from raising tensions with their Eastern neighbour in the future, in fact in general, as regards the reasons it was formed, NATO is a spent force.

Actually, I think you missed my point, Eastern countrys being in NATO contribute nothing to Europe, apart from raising tensions with their Eastern neighbour in the future, in fact in general, as regards the reasons it was formed, NATO is a spent force.

And my point is that they contribute a lot just by being there and taking up space that NATO can now forward base itself in.

They also contribute resources and people, pay their share of the NATO budget, and have growing economies that are going to become more and more important to us.

If tensions get raised, it will be Russia that raises them; the Poles, et al, have no desire to cause Russia trouble.

The most important point, however, is that NATO membership was requested and negotiated with the full support of the people. This is a major part of integrating these countries into Europe--it may be that Russia wants to keep them weak and submissive, but it has no right to impose that on us, or on them.

NATO was formed when Europe was a very different place than it is now, NATO contributes nothing to Europe, all it does is suck up money that could be better spent else where, it has become nothingmore than an overseas branch of the US Dept of Defence, did you notice NATO troops in Afghanistan, thats a long long way from Europe.

NATO was formed when Europe was a very different place than it is now, NATO contributes nothing to Europe, all it does is suck up money that could be better spent else where, it has become nothingmore than an overseas branch of the US Dept of Defence, did you notice NATO troops in Afghanistan, thats a long long way from Europe.

That is a myopic way of seeing the world. The 9-11 terrorists originated in an Afghanistan that Europe and America were ignoring. I would think people would have learned something, but I guess not.

The first priority of any government, a priority that trumps everything else, is the security of its people, especially from foreign attack. Security alliances are a critical part of that for Europe. The dangers have changed their face, but they still exist, and only a foolish city tears down its walls on the promise of a neighboring king.

Cant see how Amrica was ignoring Afghanistan, when the CIA was pumping weapons and money into it for years, but that was a different war.
As for 9/11, it was inevitable it would happen sometime or other, put that down to decades of Foreign Policy mistakes and blind support for Israel at the expense of its neighbours,and whos helping finance the new Afghan war, the Europeans.I would suggest NATO has made Europe a more dangerous place in recent years, ie, Madrid Train Bombings, London Bombings.