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es347fan
02-23-2007, 05:05 PM
Can you spell hypocrite? (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,254040,00.html)



OKLAHOMA CITY — The lawyer for a former Baptist church leader who had spoken out against homosexuality said Thursday the minister has a constitutional right to solicit sex from an undercover policeman.
The Rev. Lonnie W. Latham had supported a resolution calling on gays and lesbians to reject their "sinful, destructive lifestyle" before his Jan. 3, 2006, arrest outside the Habana Inn in Oklahoma City.
Authorities say he asked the undercover policeman to come up to his hotel for oral sex.
His attorney, Mack Martin, filed a motion to have the misdemeanor lewdness charge thrown out, saying the Supreme Court ruled in the 2003 decision Lawrence v. Texas that it was not illegal for consenting adults to engage in private homosexual acts.
"Now, my client's being prosecuted basically for having offered to engage in such an act, which basically makes it a crime to ask someone to do something that's legal," Martin said.
Both sides agree there was no offer of money, but prosecutor Scott Rowland said there is a "legitimate governmental interest" in regulating offers of acts of lewdness.
The American Civli Liberties Union of Oklahoma has filed a brief claiming that Latham's arrest also violated his right to free speech.
Before his arrest, Latham had spoken against same-sex marriage and in support of a Southern Baptist resolution that called upon gays and lesbians to reject their lifestyle.
He has since resigned as pastor of the South Tulsa Baptist Church and stepped down from the executive committee of the Southern Baptist Convention, where he was one of four members from Oklahoma.
On Thursday Latham declined to talk to reporters at the non-jury trial.
Judge Roma M. McElwee said she would rule on the motion and issue a verdict in about two weeks. If convicted of the misdemeanor, Latham faces up to a year in jail and a $2,500 fine.


:hitout:

Master Shake
02-27-2007, 11:06 AM
Can you spell hypocrite? (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,254040,00.html)



OKLAHOMA CITY — The lawyer for a former Baptist church leader who had spoken out against homosexuality said Thursday the minister has a constitutional right to solicit sex from an undercover policeman.
The Rev. Lonnie W. Latham had supported a resolution calling on gays and lesbians to reject their "sinful, destructive lifestyle" before his Jan. 3, 2006, arrest outside the Habana Inn in Oklahoma City.
Authorities say he asked the undercover policeman to come up to his hotel for oral sex.
His attorney, Mack Martin, filed a motion to have the misdemeanor lewdness charge thrown out, saying the Supreme Court ruled in the 2003 decision Lawrence v. Texas that it was not illegal for consenting adults to engage in private homosexual acts.
"Now, my client's being prosecuted basically for having offered to engage in such an act, which basically makes it a crime to ask someone to do something that's legal," Martin said.
Both sides agree there was no offer of money, but prosecutor Scott Rowland said there is a "legitimate governmental interest" in regulating offers of acts of lewdness.
The American Civli Liberties Union of Oklahoma has filed a brief claiming that Latham's arrest also violated his right to free speech.
Before his arrest, Latham had spoken against same-sex marriage and in support of a Southern Baptist resolution that called upon gays and lesbians to reject their lifestyle.
He has since resigned as pastor of the South Tulsa Baptist Church and stepped down from the executive committee of the Southern Baptist Convention, where he was one of four members from Oklahoma.
On Thursday Latham declined to talk to reporters at the non-jury trial.
Judge Roma M. McElwee said she would rule on the motion and issue a verdict in about two weeks. If convicted of the misdemeanor, Latham faces up to a year in jail and a $2,500 fine.


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Can you say irony? Anyway, he committed no crime. And what was an undercover cop doing there?

Thislin
02-27-2007, 09:47 PM
Is it my imagination or is it so that those pastors who are most homophobic all seem to end up being arrested for homosexual behavior?

janrich456
02-28-2007, 02:24 PM
They aren't going to be able to stay pastors and be a practicing gay at the same time. They can be forgiven but must turn away from the sin.

WindWip
02-28-2007, 02:36 PM
They aren't going to be able to stay pastors and be a practicing gay at the same time. They can be forgiven but must turn away from the sin.

You aren't allowed to eat anything with hooves either according to the bible also. No pork, no beef and no lamb.

Frogger
02-28-2007, 03:29 PM
Wrong, Windwip.

The injunction refers to animals with cloven hooves, not hoofed animals in general. There is no injunction against eating cows and sheep.

WindWip
02-28-2007, 03:35 PM
Wrong, Windwip.

The injunction refers to animals with cloven hooves, not hoofed animals in general. There is no injunction against eating cows and sheep.

ah, so sorry. No piggies then.

Evakian
02-28-2007, 07:28 PM
Wrong, Windwip.

The injunction refers to animals with cloven hooves, not hoofed animals in general. There is no injunction against eating cows and sheep.
No more pork chops.

Thanks Jews. :(

janrich456
03-04-2007, 11:15 AM
You aren't allowed to eat anything with hooves either according to the bible also. No pork, no beef and no lamb.

No it is a split hoof and chews cud then we can eat. Some think when YAHSHUA said Matt 15:10-11
He said to them, "Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth , this defiles a man."
NKJV
That this changed it.

Thislin
03-04-2007, 08:02 PM
No it is a split hoof and chews cud then we can eat. Some think when YAHSHUA said Matt 15:10-11
He said to them, "Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth , this defiles a man."
NKJV
That this changed it.

This is one thing that I find difficult to understand about Christians--they tell us that the life of Jesus "fulfilled" (whatever that means in this context) the old Mosaic Covenant, so they are free from it (and bound only by the "Law of Love," but still when it suits them they quote the old Mosaic Covenant for support of their prejudices.

I also fail to see why the Ten Commandment should have to be posted on courthouse lawns if it has been "fulfilled."

500lbguerilla
03-06-2007, 03:47 PM
Can you say irony? Anyway, he committed no crime. And what was an undercover cop doing there? Many cops are bigots who like to harrass gay people. Now in common terms I would say that asking a stranger to a blowjob is a little lewd. BUT in a legal sense this guy did nothing wrong.

mikezila
03-06-2007, 08:37 PM
Many cops are bigots who like to harrass gay people. Now in common terms I would say that asking a stranger to a blowjob is a little lewd. BUT in a legal sense this guy did nothing wrong.
was there an offer of an exchange of money or anything else of value? unless there was, i don't see a crime either unless there's a law against oral sex in OK.

it's not like he was solicting a sex act in public.

Thislin
03-06-2007, 09:52 PM
Many cops are bigots who like to harrass gay people. Now in common terms I would say that asking a stranger to a blowjob is a little lewd. BUT in a legal sense this guy did nothing wrong.

It was probably the very lewdness and danger involved that motivated him. Our hormones lead to strange behaviors.

When I was young, that sort of thing happened to me several times (being approached--and I know, I have often wondered why me?). I handled it well enough by saying, "Sorry, man, that ain't my thing." I never saw any reason to get angry nor was there any need to foul up my day by involving the police.