stark
05-01-2007, 06:57 PM
(I don't remember who the person was and I don't want to have to look it up. Do some objective research for once).
Classic.
warrior1972
05-01-2007, 07:05 PM
Should I believe that because you say it?
no but you scare tactic that somehow one day I will meet up with god and face his judement because I did not believe the crap written in the bible is stupid since there is no god.
You can believe all you want. I would like to live my life in logic and not superstition.
stark
05-01-2007, 09:58 PM
no but you scare tactic that somehow one day I will meet up with god and face his judement because I did not believe the crap written in the bible is stupid since there is no god.
Interesting that you would consider what I said a scare tactic...I didn't intend it as one.
What's the greatest evidence that you have, that proves God does not exist?
You can believe all you want. I would like to live my life in logic and not superstition.
Logic? How is the existence of God illogical. What rule of logic does God's existence break?
Freethinker
05-02-2007, 01:36 PM
Logic? How is the existence of God illogical. What rule of logic does God's existence break?
Virtually every law of the physical reality in which we find ourselves.
It is illogical that a Sky-Daddy can wave his wand and create a billion planets. It is illogical that an otherworldy entity can "create" a human being instantly. It is illogical that the earth can stop spinning for three hours and then resume spinning. It is illogical that water can be magically transformed into wine.
Face it stark; mankind has been on this planet for a hundred thousand years. Not once in all those eons has there ever been provided a verifiable, repeatable instance of supernaturalism by any agency on the planet. Yet we are all supposed to believe that your "god" thingy --NOT any of the OTHER thousand suppernatural god thingies that mankind has invented, but YOUR particular god thingy-- created the universe and all that is in it by supernatural means. :rolleyes: Nothing could be more illogical.
stark
05-02-2007, 07:15 PM
Logic? How is the existence of God illogical. What rule of logic does God's existence break?
You didn't explain what rules of logic are broken, when saying that there is a God; instead you made claims (based on your world view) that the existence of God is unreasonable.
Virtually every law of the physical reality in which we find ourselves.
Here you speak of physical laws, but God is supernatural and not subject to the laws of nature.
It is illogical that a Sky-Daddy can wave his wand and create a billion planets.
"Sky-daddy"? "Wand"? Hmmm, I wonder why you use those terms. Do they add credibility to you disbelief?
Anyway, you find it illogical that God can create a "billion planets."
Do you find it very reasonable that those planets just popped into being from nothing?
What is your view, who did everything, that would include even this dimension itself, get here. I would suggest that unless you disagree with the rule of logic that says "out of nothing, nothing comes" then you have to believe in an eternal something.
It is illogical that an otherworldy entity can "create" a human being instantly.
First the teaching is not that God created a human being "instantly" but created him from the ground.
Second, a being with the ability to create, (however quickly) is not illogical, at the most you can only claim unreasonable.
Third, you say it's illogical for a thinking, intelligent, personal being (God), to create a thinking, intelligent, personal, being (a human). Yet it's not illogical for the thinking, intelligent, personal, being ( (the human) to form, by himself, from non-reasoning, non-intelligent, impersonal, mindless matter? Is the problem diffused by saying it took hundreds of billions of years?
It is illogical that the earth can stop spinning for three hours and then resume spinning.
Nope, not illogical, because if a being has mastery over what it creates, to stop the motion of said creation would not be illogical. Unreasonable, that's fine, but illogical doesn't fit.
The teaching is that God controls all things, and that by Him all things hold together, if that's the truth miracles are perfectly reasonable, if it's not the truth, then creation itself is absurd.
It is illogical that water can be magically transformed into wine.
There it is again, that sentence enhancing word "magically" used when discussing the idea that God is in control of, and has mastery over, that which he created...let's write out that sentence with out the word "magically."
"It is illogical that water can by transformed into wine."
Oh, I see why "magically" is important to your sentence, because water is transformed into wine every season.
But, it's not illogical for a being who has mastery over his creation to change water into wine.
Face it stark; mankind has been on this planet for a hundred thousand years. Not once in all those eons has there ever been provided a verifiable, repeatable instance of supernaturalism by any agency on the planet.
"Verifiable, repeatable?" How would a finite being recreate the actions of an all powerful supernatural being?
Now, if you're looking for proof of the supernatural; look at the beginning of the universe itself. Take a step back from the big bang, what do we have? The matter that exploded. Take a step back to before that matter existed, what do we have? That being who brought the matter into existence. That being would have existed before nature, before the laws of nature, He would be above nature, or better than nature, He would be supernature, or rather supernatural.
Now it may be that you hold an infinite regression type existence, if that's the case let me know.
Yet we are all supposed to believe that your "god" thingy --NOT any of the OTHER thousand suppernatural god thingies that mankind has invented, but YOUR particular god thingy-- created the universe and all that is in it by supernatural means. :rolleyes: Nothing could be more illogical.
Well, something coming from nothing would be illogical.
If the Bible reveals the truth then those other gods, invented by man, would have to be untrue.
For evidence of why I believe that the God of the Bible is the true God; check out my other posts.