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dharmabum
01-25-2007, 04:58 PM
Anybody else notice this little tid-bit Bush said in the SotU the other day? I thought this would be a huge topic for the talking heads the next day but I haven't really heard anybody mention it yet. So I will. (http://thesarcasticcynic.blogspot.com/2007/01/brownshirts-are-coming.html)

One of the first steps we can take together is to add to the ranks of our military - so that the American Armed Forces are ready for all the challenges ahead. Tonight I ask the Congress to authorize an increase in the size of our active Army and Marine Corps by 92,000 in the next 5 years. A second task we can take on together is to design and establish a volunteer Civilian Reserve Corps. Such a corps would function much like our military reserve. It would ease the burden on the Armed Forces by allowing us to hire civilians with critical skills to serve on missions abroad when America needs them. And it would give people across America who do not wear the uniform a chance to serve in the defining struggle of our time.

Isn't that great? It is a new Conservative Sturmabteilung.

Now all the Yellow Elephants (http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/)will have a chance to put their butts where their mouths are and go to Iraq to show us all how it is really done.

Now maybe Michael Weiner, Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity will make themselves useful for a change.

Brooks
01-25-2007, 07:12 PM
My favorite activity.
People on these boards can no longer top each other as to how horrible this country is. The only solution is to make ridiculous comparisons to the worse incidents and periods in history.
We live under fascism. That's the most common one.
Now, we are led by Brownshirts.

To make these claims diminishes the true sacrifices and horror that other people had to live through.
The people who bandy these terms about have neither the knowledge to understand it nor the courage to have lived through it.

dharmabum
01-25-2007, 07:28 PM
Once again Brooks, I am astounded by your ability to misrepresent anything I say.

Perhaps one day you will get bored and try actually comprehending... for a change.

Freethinker
01-25-2007, 07:37 PM
Now all the Yellow Elephants (http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/)will have a chance to put their butts where their mouths are and go to Iraq to show us all how it is really done.

HAAAAAAWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!

I love it.

What perfect synergism!

Now those young rightwigers who love and support this war so much are being invited to back up what they're saying........

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Hey, crazy College Republicans, it’s time to step up for Uncle Sam, Lady Liberty, and good ol’ George W. Bush. Ya see, with recruitment for active military and reserves (which, these days, is like active military but without things like benefits) going down faster than a hot coed at a Campus Conservatives for Christ informational mixer, the brave boys and girls in uniform need some new blood to be spilled on the hot streets of Basra and Baghdad. ... Man, you College Republicans are da bomb, a’ight, with your Talking Points on Terror that say, “U.S. forces are now working alongside Iraqi security forces to defeat terrorists in militants in the country. America and our coalition forces helped to end the Saddam Hussein’s brutal regime, and now that we are helping to promote peace and democracy, the American people are safer.” And, in your Muslim Outreach section, you say, “Due to the strong leadership and compassion of our President, the country of Iraq is securing a stable and prosperous future despite those who would thwart the progress.” Well, sweet shit, 18-22 year-old motherfuckers, the campaign is over. Your re-elected President o’ compassion needs your tender, young flesh to continue the march to a free Iraq. Otherwise, well, shit, the terrorists win, right?

BE THE FIRST ONE TO JOIN UP AND HOP THAT AIRPLANE TO BAGHDAD TODAY!!

IRAQ AWAITS YOU, COLLEGE REPUBLICANS!!!

:D :D :D

Brooks
01-25-2007, 07:49 PM
Once again Brooks, I am astounded by your ability to misrepresent anything I say.
Perhaps one day you will get bored and try actually comprehending... for a change.Just like your "Murtha didn't say that" thing on the other thread. Yeah, you're very clear.

Then what exactly did you mean?

dharmabum
01-25-2007, 07:54 PM
*sigh*

The point was that the claim that people opposed to escalation have not given any alternatives is a lie.

Murtha's was an example of an alternative to escalation.

dharmabum
01-25-2007, 07:56 PM
The point of this thread was to point out something Bush said that the corporate media seems to have conveniently ignored... again.

Brooks
01-25-2007, 08:02 PM
The point of this thread was to point out something Bush said that the corporate media seems to have conveniently ignored... again.
And that's only possible by using an SA analogy?

dharmabum
01-25-2007, 08:08 PM
And that's only possible by using an SA analogy?

What is your problem with a valid historical comparison to other civilian reserve forces?

Brooks
01-25-2007, 08:14 PM
The Hitler comparisons make you sound like a Drama Queen.
And you're not.
Probably not.

dharmabum
01-25-2007, 08:20 PM
In other words, you have nothing constructive to say about a valid comparison or the actual topic itself.

Thanks anyway.

Vilepagan
01-25-2007, 08:40 PM
In other words, you have nothing constructive to say about a valid comparison or the actual topic itself.

Thanks anyway.

It doesn't seem a valid comparison to me. I don't recall Bush saying this volunteer reserve corps be comprised of "conservatives" despite your suggestion that he did, and I don't see gangs of volunteers busting up beer halls in our future either.

dharmabum
01-25-2007, 08:51 PM
I never said that these people would be used in that way, I said that is how these types of groups have been used in the past.

I see these people being given the resources of the military without the responsibilities or training or restrained by things like UCMJ or the Posse Comitatus act.

I see a lot of potential for abuse, but I find it most interesting that he thinks we need it at all.

It says a lot about the current state of our military.

Brooks
01-25-2007, 09:10 PM
I see these people being given the resources of .....
I see a lot of potential for abuse,..... Sorry I didn't get this earlier. Now I understand your special abilities.

Do me a favor. The below link is to Aqueduct Race Track. Who will win in the sixth race tomorrow.

Thanks.

http://www.nyra.com/

dharmabum
01-25-2007, 09:12 PM
Brooks, it is becoming clear that you have no interest in understanding, only in sniping at me for no good reasons.

Vilepagan
01-25-2007, 09:16 PM
I never said that these people would be used in that way, I said that is how these types of groups have been used in the past.

You compared the two groups to each other.


I see these people being given the resources of the military without the responsibilities or training or restrained by things like UCMJ or the Posse Comitatus act.

You see this because?


I see a lot of potential for abuse, but I find it most interesting that he thinks we need it at all.

It says a lot about the current state of our military.

Well, if you're concerned the military is in bad shape and you wish to improve it, wouldn't such an organization help?

dharmabum
01-25-2007, 09:21 PM
You compared the two groups to each other.

Not the same thing, at all.



You see this because?

Because there are currently no laws to deal with a group of this type.
Without them, that is what I see.


Well, if you're concerned the military is in bad shape and you wish to improve it, wouldn't such an organization help?

I would much rather see a skills based draft then a bunch of civilians given weapons and sent over to Iraq where they can do anything they want without fear of prosecution.

Travh20
01-26-2007, 09:47 AM
I dont get how the hard leftists like this guy and freethinker can find a Bush-Hitler reference on the back of a cereal box but complelty ignore the real Hitler like moves of people like Chavez who are legally becoming dictators by decree.

DarkFantasy96
01-26-2007, 12:13 PM
Well I'm a moderate, so I see the Hitler-ish moves of any world leader about whom I know a decent amount. The point is that there's no reason to be alarmed at this point about Bush OR Chavez. If I lived in Venezuela I might be a little alarmed at Chavez's actions, but at this point it doesn't really affect me. As for Bush, I don't think his moves will have a huge permanent effect on the way we live in this country.

The Praetorian
01-26-2007, 12:13 PM
Brooks, it is becoming clear that you have no interest in understanding, only in sniping at me for no good reasons.
I'd call being a putz a "good reason", or at least, good enough...

Evakian
01-26-2007, 03:04 PM
I dont get how the hard leftists like this guy and freethinker can find a Bush-Hitler reference on the back of a cereal box but complelty ignore the real Hitler like moves of people like Chavez who are legally becoming dictators by decree.
They see a similarity, or ignore the difference, between a dictator like Mussolini and an up-and-coming one like Chavez, because Mussolini was a no good conservative, while Chavez extols the virtues of socialism. :D

Freethinker
01-26-2007, 03:49 PM
I dont get how the hard leftists like this guy and freethinker can find a Bush-Hitler reference on the back of a cereal box but complelty ignore the real Hitler like moves of people like Chavez who are legally becoming dictators by decree.

Chavez is a socialist politician. He is at the other end of the spectrum from Hitler.

Hitler was a Fascist, in that he ceaselessly promoted a fanatical degree of nationalism, devotion to supremacy of the military, disdain for human rights of people in other nations, control over the dissemination of information, the ceaseless protection of Corporate power, and obsession with national security.

Bush is a kinder-gentler breed of Fascist, but still, a Fascist......and he exhibits exactly the same traits and ideology common to Fascism that Hitler exhibited.


Hope that clears it up for you, Einstein.

Jester
01-27-2007, 12:22 AM
As far as I know, the Administration hasn't yet released any details on this plan. Let's not jump to any premature conclusions... especially any that involve Hitler.

Blibblob
01-27-2007, 12:31 AM
As far as I know, the Administration hasn't yet released any details on this plan. Let's not jump to any premature conclusions... especially any that involve Hitler.
*About to say something*
*Puts away brown folder that says "CLASSIFIED: Revival Plans for Mein Fuhrer"*

harmony row
01-27-2007, 02:58 PM
america needs fresh meat for the meat grinder

the bush kids wont join

Brooks
01-27-2007, 03:05 PM
america needs fresh meat for the meat grinder
the bush kids wont joinWOW that settles it.

Imagineer
01-27-2007, 04:40 PM
My guess is that the Administration has actually learned something from the current wars. They have learned that outsourcing military jobs and rebuilding activities to corporations is expensive. This would be a group of civilian contractors that would work with the military in a reserve status, and be available to be mobilized when there is a war. They would do all sorts of things from laundry and meal preperation, all the way to rebuilding a countries infrastructure.
What they would replace is contracts to Halliburton etc. It would save a lot of money and lead to less fraud. They would also have trained with the military, which should improve the way they work together.

WindWip
01-27-2007, 05:13 PM
People need to get it through their heads that not EVERYthing that is associated with the Nazis was bad. The information that they got on how long humans can survive for example. The tests themselves were horribly inhumane, yet the information taken from them was very useful. Hitler himself was very good at manipulating crowds, yet he was a horrible person. If they had strategies that worked, they are not neccessarily bad.

DarkFantasy96
01-27-2007, 09:46 PM
People need to get it through their heads that not EVERYthing that is associated with the Nazis was bad. The information that they got on how long humans can survive for example. The tests themselves were horribly inhumane, yet the information taken from them was very useful. Hitler himself was very good at manipulating crowds, yet he was a horrible person. If they had strategies that worked, they are not neccessarily bad.

Hitler was a pretty good artist too, although without much creativity to go with his technical talent.

Brooks
01-28-2007, 08:53 AM
People need to get it through their heads that not EVERYthing that is associated with the Nazis was bad.
No one said otherwise.

dharmabum
01-28-2007, 09:06 AM
I dont get how the hard leftists like this guy and freethinker can find a Bush-Hitler reference on the back of a cereal box but complelty ignore the real Hitler like moves of people like Chavez who are legally becoming dictators by decree.

YAWN!!!

I don't get how you can claim to be an American yet be so indifferent towards what happens in your own country. You seem to care more about what happens in a South American country you have never been to and will never go to.

Jester
01-28-2007, 09:11 AM
YAWN!!!

I don't get how you can claim to be an American yet be so indifferent towards what happens in your own country. You seem to care more about what happens in a South American country you have never been to and will never go to.
Sorry for butting in, but Trav's done far more his country than you ever will.

dharmabum
01-28-2007, 09:15 AM
Sorry for butting in, but Trav's done far more his country than you ever will.

Bull.

Shit.

Brooks
01-28-2007, 09:27 AM
Bull.

Shit.Is that your final answer?
We're all waiting.

es347fan
01-28-2007, 09:38 AM
Bull.

Shit.


Inquiring minds want to know.

dharmabum
01-28-2007, 09:44 AM
Sorry for butting in, but Trav's done far more his country than you ever will.

How about you stick to the topic of what I said:


I don't get how you can claim to be an American yet be so indifferent towards what happens in your own country. You seem to care more about what happens in a South American country you have never been to and will never go to.

I don't give a damn if Trav is really Bill Gates, my point stands.

Evakian
01-28-2007, 09:48 AM
How about you answer the question just asked?

mikezila
01-28-2007, 09:55 AM
:corn:

Jester
01-28-2007, 10:55 AM
How about you stick to the topic of what I said:It was actually a direct response to what you said. You weren't just talking about the "brownshirts" or Hugo Chavez, you were commenting on Trav's personal attitude towards his country. And so that is what I responded to. You derailed it, not me.

So I eagerly wait for you to elaborate on your profound rebuttal, "Bull. Shit."

Vilepagan
01-28-2007, 11:04 AM
I don't get how you can claim to be an American yet be so indifferent towards what happens in your own country.

I'm not sorry for butting in. Trav can claim to be an American because he's worn the uniform, and he's sacrificed his personal freedoms, safety, and comfort, to protect my right, and yours, to gripe on an internet forum about whatever suits us. Gripe away, but when you call into question his integrity as an American, you'll get a lot of nasty responses from most of the people here. Just a friendly heads-up. :)

Freethinker
01-28-2007, 11:18 AM
I'm not sorry for butting in. Trav can claim to be an American because he's worn the uniform, and he's sacrificed his personal freedoms, safety, and comfort, to protect my right, and yours, to gripe on an internet forum about whatever suits us. Gripe away, but when you call into question his integrity as an American, you'll get a lot of nasty responses from most of the people here. Just a friendly heads-up.

Oh puuuhleeze. Dharmabum was not calling Trav's integrity as an American into question. He was simply saying that it seemed odd how Trav--who incessantly reminds us all how deeply American he is-- would choose to focus on a South American country's happenings instead of focusing on what is happening right here in his own country.

You're all making far more out of what dharma said that what it was.......and these puerile -- "Who has done more for America"-- comparisons (aka "nasty responses") are just that; puerile.

Vilepagan
01-28-2007, 12:02 PM
Oh puuuhleeze.

Still trying for "erudite" aren't you. ;)


Dharmabum was not calling Trav's integrity as an American into question. He was simply saying that it seemed odd how Trav--who incessantly reminds us all how deeply American he is-- would choose to focus on a South American country's happenings instead of focusing on what is happening right here in his own country.

He asked how Trav could "claim to be an American". I gave my opinion as to how Trav might be able to make that claim.


You're all making far more out of what dharma said that what it was.......and these puerile -- "Who has done more for America"-- comparisons (aka "nasty responses") are just that; puerile.

I made no comparisons. I merely stated that some people might feel that Trav's service gives him the right not to have his "claim to be an American" questioned by someone who has not served. I don't feel that's an invalid point.

WindWip
01-28-2007, 01:12 PM
No one said otherwise.

The original post was comparing Bush's tactics to those used by Hitler. No one actually made a statement that said that Bush's tactics were parallel to Hitler's tactics so they must be evil, but the implication was there.

WindWip
01-28-2007, 01:21 PM
I made no comparisons. I merely stated that some people might feel that Trav's service gives him the right not to have his "claim to be an American" questioned by someone who has not served. I don't feel that's an invalid point.
Agreed, but this side-issue isn't going anywhere.

You seem to care more about what happens in a South American country you have never been to and will never go to.

I don't want to jump on a bandwagon here, but I do appreciate it when people back up their claims.

You don't need to have visited a country for that country to impact you. Pearl Harbor for instance. We cared what was happening in Japan a hell of a lot then, yet few people had been there.

Decka
01-29-2007, 02:40 AM
http://www.protestwarrior.com/nimages/signs/thumb/pw_sign_17.gif

Thislin
01-29-2007, 03:27 AM
Could you please explain what you mean? I think maybe you mean "conservatives" in the European sense, but they like American conservatives well enough (at least as much as they can like any American), so that is not it.

Brooks
01-29-2007, 05:50 AM
Oh puuuhleeze. Dharmabum was not calling Trav's integrity as an American into question. Free, I'm not saying he did. This is what I was responding to:

Jester: Sorry for butting in, but Trav's done far more his country than you ever will.

to which Dharma replied:
Bull.

Shit.

Meaning Trav has not done more than Dharma. We simply asked him to explain what he meant by that.

Brooks
01-29-2007, 05:58 AM
The original post was comparing Bush's tactics to those used by Hitler. No one actually made a statement that said that Bush's tactics were parallel to Hitler's tactics so they must be evil, but the implication was there.You said that not everything associated with the Nazis was bad.
I said that no one said otherwise.

I think you're right about that, but the comparison to Hitler was not about those scant positive things in which the Third Reich may have engaged.

rendova
01-29-2007, 07:44 AM
those scant positive things in which the Third Reich may have engaged.

They were scant all right.

In all fairness, I can't think offhand of ANY positive things the Nazis accomplished, apart from instilling a sense of "pride" in certain people of a "Master Race" who enriched themselves at others' expense.

Vilepagan
01-29-2007, 08:05 AM
They were scant all right.

In all fairness, I can't think offhand of ANY positive things the Nazis accomplished, apart from instilling a sense of "pride" in certain people of a "Master Race" who enriched themselves at others' expense.

They built some nice highways.

Thislin
01-29-2007, 08:25 AM
Are highways "nice?"

The Praetorian
01-29-2007, 10:05 AM
Not the ones in Illinois.

Freethinker
01-29-2007, 10:33 AM
In all fairness, I can't think offhand of ANY positive things the Nazis accomplished

Interestngly, it is the same case with B*sh. I can't think offhand of any positive things he has accomplished. Before OR after being appointed pResident.

________________________________________________

The hundreds of billions of dollars flowing OUT OF the pockets of the US taxpayers and into the pockets of the Bush Dynasty, the Cheney Family “Trust” and the innumerable other slimy bottom feeders is all for a 'good cause'. We’re selling out our great grandchildren's future, and saddling them with a mountain of debt, all to defend an idiotic slogan -- The Global War on Terror!

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 10:48 AM
They built some nice highways.

They got the trains running on time and they instituted a good spay/neuter program for pets.

rendova
01-29-2007, 10:53 AM
They got the trains running on time and they instituted a good spay/neuter program for pets.

1. I thought that was Mussolini.
2. Yes, for people too.

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 10:54 AM
I'm not sorry for butting in. Trav can claim to be an American because he's worn the uniform, and he's sacrificed his personal freedoms, safety, and comfort, to protect my right, and yours, to gripe on an internet forum about whatever suits us. Gripe away, but when you call into question his integrity as an American, you'll get a lot of nasty responses from most of the people here. Just a friendly heads-up. :)

I know quite a few foreigners who have worn the American uniform and "sacrificed" (volunteered) also.
That means nothing in regards to being an American these days. We now have recruiting offices in foreign countries.

If Trav was such a patrotic American then why is he so indifferent about what happens in his own country?

I find it amazing how easily they completely changed the subject of my post and how nobody has even attempted to address what I actually said. Typical partisan hackery, when they can't address the subject, attack the messenger.


I don't get how you can claim to be an American yet be so indifferent towards what happens in your own country.

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 10:56 AM
Oh puuuhleeze. Dharmabum was not calling Trav's integrity as an American into question. He was simply saying that it seemed odd how Trav--who incessantly reminds us all how deeply American he is-- would choose to focus on a South American country's happenings instead of focusing on what is happening right here in his own country.

You're all making far more out of what dharma said that what it was.......and these puerile -- "Who has done more for America"-- comparisons (aka "nasty responses") are just that; puerile.

I agree completely. It is nothing but typical partisan hackery.

It is another example of Americans treating politics like sports.

Lungdop Philing
01-29-2007, 11:19 AM
Dharma usually keeps it above the belt and I would bet he didn't intentionally mean to question Trav's integrity.

Trav is a combat soldier and that, in my book, says it all. He deserves respect and thanks for serving.

That said -- let's all just get along and celebrate ...

got my car fixed, new tail lights, it's my birthday, fixed my bumper ...

Vilepagan
01-29-2007, 11:34 AM
I know quite a few foreigners who have worn the American uniform and "sacrificed" (volunteered) also.

Congratulations.


That means nothing in regards to being an American these days. We now have recruiting offices in foreign countries.

It still means a lot to a lot of people.


If Trav was such a patrotic American then why is he so indifferent about what happens in his own country?

I don't think he's indifferent, but you'd have to ask him.


I find it amazing how easily they completely changed the subject of my post and how nobody has even attempted to address what I actually said.

Who's they?


Typical partisan hackery, when they can't address the subject, attack the messenger.

Who attacked you? I merely pointed out that your statement might not be well recieved.

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 11:36 AM
I don't think he's indifferent, but you'd have to ask him.


Already did.

He has yet to answer my question.

Brooks
01-29-2007, 11:38 AM
I find it amazing how easily they completely changed the subject of my post and how nobody has even attempted to address what I actually said.
Maybe we're referring to different posts of yours. I was referring to the one in which you said Bull S___ to the claim that Trav has done more than you have.

Probably after you address that everyone will move on to the post you'd prefer we discuss

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 11:41 AM
Probably after you address that everyone will move on to the post you'd prefer we discuss

Yeah, and pigs will fly and Corporatists will suddenly consider human beings as something more than an expendible resource.

Brooks
01-29-2007, 12:13 PM
Still no answer, huh?
(How hard can this be? It was your statement.)

Freethinker
01-29-2007, 12:20 PM
Still no answer, huh?
(How hard can this be? It was your statement.)

Jester made the declarative statement that--

""Sorry for butting in, but Trav's done far more his country than you ever will.""

Who is going to be the arbiter for such a comparison? How will it be assessed?

Every person who joins the military hasn't automatically "done more for" the country than every other non-military person.

Some (many) people join the military out of pure self-interest, and spend their entire career never being in danger of being hurt or killed.

Some who are not in the military work very dilligently for many years performing community services. It is hard to quantify the exact benefit provided by two different people.

Brooks
01-29-2007, 12:28 PM
Jester made the declarative statement that--

""Sorry for butting in, but Trav's done far more his country than you ever will.""

Who is going to be the arbiter for such a comparison? How will it be assessed?
I agree with you that it is a difficult thing to objectively compare.
However, when Dharma countered the statement, I assumed he must have come up with a way to do such.

No one would be asking if he didn't seem to have an answer.

DarkFantasy96
01-29-2007, 03:31 PM
I agree with you that it is a difficult thing to objectively compare.
However, when Dharma countered the statement, I assumed he must have come up with a way to do such.

No one would be asking if he didn't seem to have an answer.

I'm in agreement with you here Brooks. Dharma seemed so vehemently opposed to the idea that Trav had done more for the country than he had... I would logically think that could be backed up with things dharma has done or things Trav has not done?

es347fan
01-29-2007, 03:36 PM
dharmabum, just what is your resistance to revealing just what you've done for the country? You opened the door ...

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 03:45 PM
Still no answer, huh?


Sorry Brooks, I am not playing your game.

You won't address my points, so I see no reason to address yours.

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 03:47 PM
Every person who joins the military hasn't automatically "done more for" the country than every other non-military person.

Some (many) people join the military out of pure self-interest, and spend their entire career never being in danger of being hurt or killed.

Some who are not in the military work very dilligently for many years performing community services. It is hard to quantify the exact benefit provided by two different people.

It is a game with no purpose except changing the subject of discussion.

They don't want to talk about why someone who has supposedly "done so much" for America cares more about the erosion of rights in a South American country then he does about the same issue here.

The Praetorian
01-29-2007, 04:00 PM
It is a game with no purpose except changing the subject of discussion.

They don't want to talk about why someone who has supposedly "done so much" for America cares more about the erosion of rights in a South American country then he does about the same issue here.
And which of your rights have been "eroded" here?

I'm all ears...

Dazzle me with your banal platitudes, because it seems to me that's all you're good for. Ergo; "Homeland security, and the constitution, an..an..an..and marginalizing congress through waging illegal wars, etc...."

Just answer the question, Chachi.

Decka
01-29-2007, 04:31 PM
dharmabum is a great lefty.. once you are pinned into a corner, avoid and distract, or try to get bailed out by someone else.

DarkFantasy96
01-29-2007, 04:37 PM
dharmabum is a great lefty.. once you are pinned into a corner, avoid and distract, or try to get bailed out by someone else.
Oh, and what do you do when you're cornered? Admit you're wrong?? :D

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 04:44 PM
And which of your rights have been "eroded" here?

I'm all ears...

... and a closed mind.

Ever heard of Habeus Corpus?

Dazzle me with your banal platitudes, because it seems to me that's all you're good for. Ergo; "Homeland security, and the constitution, an..an..an..and marginalizing congress through waging illegal wars, etc...."

There goes what little credibility you had left.

Vilepagan
01-29-2007, 05:25 PM
Already did.

He has yet to answer my question.

Maybe he doesn't think it's a very good question. You made the assumption he's indifferent. If he isn't there's no answer to your question.

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 05:28 PM
Maybe he doesn't think it's a very good question. You made the assumption he's indifferent. If he isn't there's no answer to your question.

I disagree. If he isn't indifferent then he can say so.
He could also start actually making posts that show he isn't indifferent when discussing things that happen here in America.

As it stands my observation that he seems to care more about what happens in Venezuela then what happens here in America.

And posts like Praetorian's show that Trav isn't alone in his indifference.

Vilepagan
01-29-2007, 05:35 PM
I disagree. If he isn't indifferent then he can say so.
He could also start actually making posts that show he isn't indifferent when discussing things that happen here in America.

With respect dharma, you haven't been here very long. Trav has been here longer than anyone who currently posts on this forum, and in the 3 years I've been posting here I've never seen Trav be "indifferent" about anything. I think you made a bad call.

Care to tell us why you think Jester's remark was bullshit?

Travh20
01-29-2007, 05:42 PM
First of all, I am moved by so many people coming to my defense. It is appreciated.


The reason I referenced Venezuela in the first place is that there is another thread that states Chavez is trying to "rule by decree" in Venezuela. The thread itself is not about that but it is something I picked up on in the article. In the thread I asked what it meant to "rule by decree" and it was agreed upon that it means he writes and passes all the laws himself. Seeing as how you and freethinker openly support Chavez and go the extra mile and call the guy such a great person it baffles me how you can overlook his desire to rule by decree to call our elected leaders fascists. It seems disingenuous.


http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=24047

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 06:01 PM
Care to tell us why you think Jester's remark was bullshit?

Because it was a cheap attempt to change the subject instead of addressing any points I made.

It was an example of "attack the messenger" because they don't like the message.

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 06:02 PM
Trav, please show me where I ever said that Chavez is a "great person"?

I will wait...

Vilepagan
01-29-2007, 06:02 PM
Because it was a cheap attempt to change the subject instead of addressing any points I made.

It was an example of "attack the messenger" because they don't like the message.

You keep referring to "they"...who the hell are you talking about?

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 06:03 PM
You keep referring to "they"...who the hell are you talking about?

Jester and everyone else who joined the pile-on.

es347fan
01-29-2007, 06:06 PM
Yet you continue to avoid the question posed to you.

Evakian
01-29-2007, 06:08 PM
I'd join the pile-on but dharma blocked me. Man, I like bringing that up.

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 06:11 PM
Yet you continue to avoid the question posed to you.

I already said I won't play that game.

My questions are routinely ignored so I feel no compulsion to answer anyone else's.

Vilepagan
01-29-2007, 06:13 PM
Jester and everyone else who joined the pile-on.

I see. One problem here might be that you feel the points you made were worth discussing, but others might not agree. You like to demand answers to your questions but often refuse to answer questions put to you. Sorry if you feel that you were "piled-on", but perhaps there's a reason so many people disagreed with you. You were wrong.

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 06:15 PM
You have a right to your opinion Vilepagan but I do not agree with you.

Freethinker
01-29-2007, 06:49 PM
I'm in agreement with you here Brooks. Dharma seemed so vehemently opposed to the idea that Trav had done more for the country than he had...

Not so.

The proposition that **Trav has done more for the country than dharma** was NOT the assertion that was made by Jester.

But don't let that stop the idiotic recriminations and questioning.

DarkFantasy96
01-29-2007, 06:56 PM
Not so.

The proposition that **Trav has done more for the country than dharma** was NOT the assertion that was made by Jester.

But don't let that stop the idiotic recriminations and questioning.

You're kidding right?

(Originally Posted by Jester)
Sorry for butting in, but Trav's done far more his country than you ever will.

Bull.

Shit.

How would you interpret that?

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 06:57 PM
How would you interpret that?

As a cheap attempt to avoid addressing what I actually said by changing the subject.

:matrix:

DarkFantasy96
01-29-2007, 06:59 PM
As a cheap attempt to avoid addressing what I actually said by changing the subject.

:matrix:

Ok, that's probably true, but FT said that he didn't say that.

Vilepagan
01-29-2007, 07:02 PM
As a cheap attempt to avoid addressing what I actually said by changing the subject.

:matrix:

You have a right to your opinion dhrama, but I don't agree with you. It would seem others don't either.

mikezila
01-29-2007, 07:03 PM
Are highways "nice?"
the Autobahn is:drive:

Freethinker
01-29-2007, 07:03 PM
You're kidding right?

No.

Only a person with extremely poor reading comprehension would suggest that I was "kidding".


How would you interpret that?

I'll TELL you how it should be interpreted. Exactly for what it said.

For your first clue, I invite you to examine the last two words of Jester's statement that you just posted.

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 07:04 PM
I find it interesting that I am jumped all over for a one word response to a sophmoric post but Trav's incindiary post is completely ignored and gets zero criticism.

Originally Posted by Travh20
I dont get how the hard leftists like this guy and freethinker can find a Bush-Hitler reference on the back of a cereal box but complelty ignore the real Hitler like moves of people like Chavez who are legally becoming dictators by decree.

And moreover, the relevent point I made in response to this needlessly insulting accusation by Trav also went completely ignored.

I said:
I don't get how you can claim to be an American yet be so indifferent towards what happens in your own country. You seem to care more about what happens in a South American country you have never been to and will never go to.

Evakian
01-29-2007, 07:08 PM
I find it interesting that I am jumped all over for a one word response to a sophmoric post but Trav's incindiary post is completely ignored and gets zero criticism.
Incendiary one-liners are what trav does...he's done that for the past 9,000 posts.

Oh dear, why do I keep replying to you? *curses vain effort*

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 07:08 PM
For your first clue, I invite you to examine the last two words of Jester's statement that you just posted.

Excellent point. His claim was that Trav's military experience automaticlly outweighs anything I might ever potentially do.

But did Jester get ganged up on? Noooooooo....

Because apparently Trav can do no wrong and no disagreement with him can be tolerated... :rolleyes:

Vilepagan
01-29-2007, 07:08 PM
I find it interesting that I am jumped all over for a one word response to a sophmoric post but Trav's incindiary post is completely ignored and gets zero criticism.

We're too busy criticizing you.


And moreover, the relevent point I made in response to this needlessly insulting accusation by Trav also went completely ignored.

You didn't make a relevant point, you changed the subject from Chavez to Trav's alleged indifference. Notice I didn't say it was a "cheap attempt to change the subject".

Vilepagan
01-29-2007, 07:09 PM
Because apparently Trav can do no wrong and no disagreement with him can be tolerated... :rolleyes:

ROFL.

That's truly hilarious dharma.

dharmabum
01-29-2007, 07:10 PM
We're too busy criticizing you.


I noticed.

Seems to be a pattern around here.

:hitout:

mikezila
01-29-2007, 07:11 PM
Excellent point. His claim was that Trav's military experience automaticlly outweighs anything I might ever potentially do.

Because apparently Trav can do no wrong and no disagreement with him can be tolerated... :rolleyes:
exactly:thumbs: