Am I wrong to jump to the assumption that this story involved one of those couples that exhibits absolutely zero control over their child(ren)? It's almost enough to make me go on a rant about the surge of parents in our society who don't seem to understand that children need a reasonable amount of discipline.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070123/ap_on_re_us/flight_tantrum

I'm wondering why the "parents" didn't just set the girl down in her seat so the paying passengers could get on with their flight.

Dummies!

PS Also read that the girl hit her parents when they tried to make her obey.

Yep, that would have gone over real well with MY Dad.......

Having been on a number of flights where screaming, out-of-control crumb snatchers were ignored by their parents, all I can say is Good for the aircrew!
A half-teaspoon of either Dimetapp or Benadryl given to the child on the way to the airport would have prevented the entire incident.

When I saw the headline I thought this had to do with the no-fly list, that the toddler had been put on it. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

should have had a muzzle for the lil shit

So none of you ever had children/siblings that had a fit like that? There's not much you can do about it unless you want to hurt the kid by forcing them to stay in their seat... And then they might kick you off AND call the cops on you for child abuse.

That said, at least they got reimbursed for their tickets. Although depending how far in advance they bought the tickets, it probably cost them more to buy tickets for the next day.

As this is the first time I've heard of an airline doing something like this, despite the fact that I've personally witnessed horrendous behavior coupled with horrendous parenting skills on more occasions than I care to count, I would assume this is a very extreme case of deficient parenting rather than your run-of-the-mill toddler tantrum.

There are plenty of ways to control 3-year olds without resorting to abuse (and no, spanking and/or forcing a child to stay in his seat do not amount to abuse).

So none of you ever had children/siblings that had a fit like that? .

I have raised and am raising 5 kids, ranging in age from 25 to 14, almost 15.
No, they never raised a fit like that.

They knew better.

It's a parent's responsibility to teach kids good manners and to respect others and to obey. Kids can learn this from a very young age.

Any parent that does not teach such is sunk.

PS. Surprised the airline gave the parents free tickets, besides compensating them for the other tickets. They should have given the OTHER passengers something to make up for the horrendous ear splitting tantrum they had to endure.

I have raised and am raising 5 kids, ranging in age from 25 to 14, almost 15.
No, they never raised a fit like that.

They knew better.

It's a parent's responsibility to teach kids good manners and to respect others and to obey. Kids can learn this from a very young age.

Any parent that does not teach such is sunk.

PS. Surprised the airline gave the parents free tickets, besides compensating them for the other tickets. They should have given the OTHER passengers something to make up for the horrendous ear splitting tantrum they had to endure.

Jeez, I guess my parents (and me since I think I influence my sister just as much as they do) must be horrible parents. Because my sister has had fits like that and there's just no way to get her to stop crying, except bribing her with candy or something, and we don't do that unless it's an emergency because I think everyone agrees that's horrible parenting. Although if it was on a plane and we knew we would be kicked off, I probably would offer her a piece of candy or something. Hopefully the airline personnel gave them a warning that they would be put off the plane before they actually did it.

Three cheers for the airline. I wish restaurants and movie theaters would do the same thing.

What makes some people feel they or their children can disturb others? I have gone up to people in restaurants and asked them to kindly control their children. I have also refused to pay for a meal when a restaurant did nothing to see that an unruly child behaved.

It is not a parents job to be their kids' friend. It is their job to teach their children how to behave in public.

Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah! for the airline.

Jeez, I guess my parents (and me since I think I influence my sister just as much as they do) must be horrible parents. Because my sister has had fits like that and there's just no way to get her to stop crying, except bribing her with candy or something, and we don't do that unless it's an emergency because I think everyone agrees that's horrible parenting. Although if it was on a plane and we knew we would be kicked off, I probably would offer her a piece of candy or something. Hopefully the airline personnel gave them a warning that they would be put off the plane before they actually did it.

Not horrible, just different. All have different methods.
Some work, some don't.
Believe me, i know.

It's not easy handling a toddler. Sometimes just ignoring the tantrum works wonders.

And then there's a certain look in your eye that tells them you've had enough.

If I ever acted up at a resturaunt or anything, my dad would just sit me down in the car and leave me there until the meal was over. That taught me pretty damn fast.

As for flying, nyquil works wonders...

Dimetapp or Benadryl already comes in children's doses. Either, in an appropriate dosage would allow the child to sleep almost for the duration of the flight.
The child would not be harmed, either.

Three cheers for the airline. I wish restaurants and movie theaters would do the same thing.

WARNING!!!!! WARNING!!!!! WARNING!!!!!

Frogger and I agree 100% on something.

Prepare for the Apocalypse.

;)

A refund, plus three free tickets to anywhere was above and beyond what the parents deserved.

Notice the attitude...they will never fly with that airline again. Boo hoo.... who the hell would want them?

WARNING!!!!! WARNING!!!!! WARNING!!!!!

Frogger and I agree 100% on something.

Prepare for the Apocalypse.

;)

Head for the floor. Duck and cover!!

damn left winger parents

Ugh, this story makes me sick

Those parents have NO BUSINESS getting free tickets to ANYWHERE.. just because their spoiled little kid wouldn't shut up. It's an awfully nice gesture, but its so unnecessary. Anyone can walk over corporations these days, the whole "the customer is always right" motto is complete BULLCRAP in my opinion. If you don't like my restaurant, then get out and find one you do like. I'd like to see the power shift back to the people who work so hard to provide the services. Consumers have too much power these days.

That plane should have booted the kid off, and said "better luck next time"... giving them their money back is a nice gesture.. but ALSO giving them free tickets is retarded.

So none of you ever had children/siblings that had a fit like that? There's not much you can do about it unless you want to hurt the kid by forcing them to stay in their seat... And then they might kick you off AND call the cops on you for child abuse.


No kidding... damned if they did and damned if they didn't.

Ugh, this story makes me sick

Those parents have NO BUSINESS getting free tickets to ANYWHERE.. just because their spoiled little kid wouldn't shut up. It's an awfully nice gesture, but its so unnecessary. Anyone can walk over corporations these days, the whole "the customer is always right" motto is complete BULLCRAP in my opinion. If you don't like my restaurant, then get out and find one you do like. I'd like to see the power shift back to the people who work so hard to provide the services. Consumers have too much power these days.

That plane should have booted the kid off, and said "better luck next time"... giving them their money back is a nice gesture.. but ALSO giving them free tickets is retarded.

I agree. They absolutely should have gotten their money back, but free tickets as well? It doesn't matter though because they won't be flying with that airline ever again.

I agree. They absolutely should have gotten their money back, but free tickets as well? It doesn't matter though because they won't be flying with that airline ever again.

I wonder if they will at least use the free tickets?

Probably sell them on ebay

Funny, because we flew that same airline with a toddler about six months ago. Without the tantrum, of course.

I'm sure the parents are bent out of shape that the airline wouldn't violate FAA regulations and let them hold the kid during takeoff.

Ugh, this story makes me sick

Those parents have NO BUSINESS getting free tickets to ANYWHERE.. just because their spoiled little kid wouldn't shut up. It's an awfully nice gesture, but its so unnecessary. Anyone can walk over corporations these days, the whole "the customer is always right" motto is complete BULLCRAP in my opinion. If you don't like my restaurant, then get out and find one you do like. I'd like to see the power shift back to the people who work so hard to provide the services. Consumers have too much power these days.

That plane should have booted the kid off, and said "better luck next time"... giving them their money back is a nice gesture.. but ALSO giving them free tickets is retarded.

Being that I have worked in the hospitality industry. I completely agree. If you kids are going to cry then that is not our problem, we are not babysitters we also are not responsible for their actions. The parent is.

That being said, many people today think that discipline is tantamount to child abuse. James Dobson said it best. If you beat a child then you should not hit them, punish them dont make them fear you.

I agree with Frogger and FT, but somehow, just somehow............I knew the parents were white. Could you imagine the lawsuits if they weren't?

Being that I have worked in the hospitality industry. I completely agree. If you kids are going to cry then that is not our problem, we are not babysitters we also are not responsible for their actions. The parent is.

That being said, many people today think that discipline is tantamount to child abuse. James Dobson said it best. If you beat a child then you should not hit them, punish them dont make them fear you.

I think there is a fine line between child abuse and bringing up your children to be respectful.

The problem is that the "yuppy" parents these days are always going for the "quick fix".. buying their kids stuff, giving in to what they want, just so they will shut up for the moment. The problem is, over the years the kids are brought up in a warped sense of reality, and then you see kids on "my sweet 16" TV shows whose only hope at being cured is to be locked in a closet for two weeks. You can't give in to whatever they want.. its tough love. Even if they cry, even if they sob... you have to do what's right. Everyone has to learn the hard way sometimes. It is NOT abuse to get your kid's attention.. and if that means minor physical involvement.. so be it. Kids back in the day got beat on at school, got beat on by other kids without any lawsuit, got beat on at home.. and they turned out pretty damned respectful. I'm not saying "beat your kids"... i'm saying kid's ARE NOT fragile pieces of glass that you aren't allowed to touch and have to nausiously careful around... When it comes to bringing up your kids the right way, do whatever it takes, even if it IS "tough" for you as a parent.

Naw, if they sued a minority then it would be considered racist and Jesse Jackson would show up to protest the percieved racism.

Three cheers for the airline. I wish restaurants and movie theaters would do the same thing.

What makes some people feel they or their children can disturb others? I have gone up to people in restaurants and asked them to kindly control their children. I have also refused to pay for a meal when a restaurant did nothing to see that an unruly child behaved.

It is not a parents job to be their kids' friend. It is their job to teach their children how to behave in public.

Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah! for the airline.

Damn straight. I would go and smack the kid myself if they were throwing a fit in a theatre. Good to hear the airlines actually enforced that. My guess is that those were horrible parents.

The parents were no different than those you see in restaurants, movies, etc. and they probably told the kid the mean people wouldn't let them fly.

What a case for Nanny 911. They coulda always put the kid into a 'naughty spot' like the cargo hold.

With my luck, if I'd been on that plane, they would have taken off and that kid woulda kicked the back of my seat for the next 4 hours.

Maybe the passengers chipped in and bought them the free tickets just to make sure they took her off!

What a case for Nanny 911. They coulda always put the kid into a 'naughty spot' like the cargo hold.

Stuff the kid in with the overhead luggage

WARNING!!!!! WARNING!!!!! WARNING!!!!!

Frogger and I agree 100% on something.

Prepare for the Apocalypse.

;)

I guess that means you are finally right on something.:bike:

The other passengers should have threatened to sue the parents for holding up the flight unecessarily.

Stuff the kid in with the overhead luggage
It's walls are too thin. You'd hear the little bastard kicking and screaming the whole time. The baggage hold is much better, besides I wonder if it's pressurized.

Talk about a punishment....

James Dobson said it best. If you beat a child then you should not hit them, punish them dont make them fear you.

Am I the only person here that doesn't get the first part? Beat them but don't hit them? Sounds like something Dobson would say.


The baggage hold is much better, besides I wonder if it's pressurized.

Yes, but they don't turn on the heat unless there are animals down there. :)

oooo I would have smacked her in the face with a frying pan.

Kidding, but sheesh.

Am I the only person here that doesn't get the first part? Beat them but don't hit them? Sounds like something Dobson would say.

open hand, not a closed fist?

I've seen this story reported on various sites and when reader's comments have been sought, there has been virtually universal support for the airline crew's actions.

I've seen this story reported on various sites and when reader's comments have been sought, there has been virtually universal support for the airline crew's actions.
Perhaps, but I wonder what would've happened if the family in question were of Mexican or African descent. Discrimination suit??? Probably.

Agreed, and had they been muslim, then CAIR would be all over it, screaming their heads off & threatening jihad.