CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Sunday called the U.S. secretary of state "my little girl" and told Washington to "go to hell" after it questioned his plan to seek special powers to legislate by decree.

Chavez, a Cuba ally re-elected by a landslide in December, this month launched a campaign to consolidate power by nationalizing key industries, seeking expanded executive powers and pushing for unlimited presidential re-election.

A State Department spokesman on Friday described Chavez's proposal to allow presidents to rule by decree as "a bit odd" in a democracy.

"That is a sacrosanct legal authority of Venezuela. Go to hell, gringos! Go home! Go home!" Chavez said during his weekly Sunday broadcast. "We're free here, and every day we'll be more free."
Read the rest of the rather short and unimportant story http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070121/ts_nm/chavez_venezuela_us_dc.

Were the folks in DC even aware that his talk string had been pulled? What a buffoon.

He has a weekly television show in Venezuela. He says that kind of stuff every week. You can find some of it on Youtube.

Chavez: Go to hell, gringos!

Right On! Or stay HOME!

I wonder what would happen if a prominent US politician said "Go to hell, beaners!" No doubt he'd be heavily criticized by the same people who say "Right on!" to Hugo Chavez.

I have no problems with someone telling our country to stay the hell out of their affairs, and i take no offense to the word gringo.

I do, it's very conceited and diragatory.. (gringo)

I had a mexican at my work call me a punta, which means pussy, as he was passing by, he just "excuse me punta".. i didn't know him at all, so i turned and looked at him, and told him to go show me his green card. Hey, i'm a nice guy, but when someone shows blatant disrespect, sometimes i'll fire back.

But yea... i'm guessing people wouldn't be behind us at all if we said "Go to hell wetbacks!"

I do, it's very conceited and diragatory.. (gringo)

I had a mexican at my work call me a punta, which means pussy, as he was passing by, he just "excuse me punta".. i didn't know him at all, so i turned and looked at him, and told him to go show me his green card. Hey, i'm a nice guy, but when someone shows blatant disrespect, sometimes i'll fire back.

But yea... i'm guessing people wouldn't be behind us at all if we said "Go to hell wetbacks!"

Actually, it's only Mexicans who put such a derogatory meaning to the word gringo. I lived in Costa Rica and it isn't considered a bad word there at all. It's just way shorter than saying "norteamericano". Since Chavez is from Venezuela, he probably didn't mean it as a very offensive word. Obviously what he was saying overall wasn't exactly friendly, but gringo is only equal to a curse word in Mexican slang.

Words only have the power we give them. If you choose to be offended by gringo, or nigger, or wetback, then you only make it powerful, imo.

I had a mexican at my work call me a punta, which means pussy

It's "puta" which means "whore or bitch". So there you are, "you bitch", ha ha ha ha ha.

Actually, it's only Mexicans who put such a derogatory meaning to the word gringo. I lived in Costa Rica and it isn't considered a bad word there at all. It's just way shorter than saying "norteamericano". Since Chavez is from Venezuela, he probably didn't mean it as a very offensive word. Obviously what he was saying overall wasn't exactly friendly, but gringo is only equal to a curse word in Mexican slang.

It's actually used for any person with light skin and/or light hair (from light brown to blond). Also for any person from either Europe, Russia, Australia or Canada and of course (white) USA. They don't call a black from USA a gringo. And I believe there is no derogatory intention in the word, but of course it gets a new meaning if you say "fuckin' gringos".

It's "puta" which means "whore or bitch". So there you are, "you bitch", ha ha ha ha ha.
Brilliant. :rolleyes:

I wonder what would happen if a prominent US politician said "Go to hell, beaners!"

The U.S. doesn't have to come right out and say it.

They clearly demonstrate that sentiment (and sentiments far worse) every day by the way they treat Venezuela and its president.

The U.S. doesn't have to come right out and say it.

They clearly demonstrate that sentiment (and sentiments far worse) every day by the way they treat Venezuela and its president.
You name ONE thing we've done to him (other than BUY the majority of his oil at a fair price (READ; market))?

You know what - don't bother.

We should fucking BOMB his ass for STEALING American capital in the form of investment (not to mention, his purloining of multi-national investment) to the tune of roughly a few billion dollars. As far as I'm concerned, that's an act of war, no different than when Castro did it in the 50's.

If you fuck with our money, we should make an example of you, period.

"If you fuck with our money, we should make an example of you, period."

:rolleyes:

I do, it's very conceited and derogatory.. (gringo)
I had a Mexican at my work call me a punta, which means pussy, as he was passing by, he just "excuse me punta".. i didn't know him at all, so i turned and looked at him, and told him to go show me his green card. Hey, I'm a nice guy, but when someone shows blatant disrespect, sometimes I'll fire back.
But yea... I'm guessing people wouldn't be behind us at all if we said "Go to hell wetbacks!"

I know quite a few Mexicans, so I can tell you that they "do" use this word "punta" as well as "carnal", both mean "friend", so he was not calling you a "pussy", whether you are a pussy or not.

"If you fuck with our money, we should make an example of you, period."

:rolleyes:
He should be killed. That's JMO.

... Go to hell, gringos! ...

Lead the way, cabeza de la mierda.

I know quite a few Mexicans, so I can tell you that they "do" use this word "punta" as well as "carnal", both mean "friend", so he was not calling you a "pussy", whether you are a pussy or not.

Notice they all ignored that.

He should be killed. That's JMO.

It's just money, relax.

Lead the way, cabeza de la mierda.

They don't use the expression "shit head". Though they might understand your cheap language.

They don't use the expression "shit head". Though they might understand your cheap language.

If you figured it out, then anyone could, especially the one who it is intended for.

You name ONE thing we've done to Chavez ..........

Oh, the U.S. has merely attempted economic blackmail, a tremendous propaganda campaign, ceaseless lies, a military coup and the CIA organizing clandestinely to unseat him, through strikes organized by the right wing trade unions and business elites. (with insistence from and backing from US interests)

The U.S. --in typical ConservaCorporatist fashion-- sees his populist, egalitiarian style of leadership as subversive, dangerous and threatening.......the fatcats are terrified that his attempts to help the Venezuelan poor might spread all over Latin America and the rest of developing world.

Chavez has concentrated on pulling his country out of a crisis and on educating, curing and feeding the poor. He also traveled the world negotiating fair prices for oil and trying to convince poor nations to -- ""unite and defend their own interests against the designs of the handful of rich countries"". (i'll give you two guesses which 'rich country' was orchestrating it)

I might have to make a special trip out to Venezuela just to see what kind of good this "benevolent despot" is doing for the people of Venezuela.

You name ONE thing we've done to him (other than BUY the majority of his oil at a fair price (READ; market))?

You know what - don't bother.

We should fucking BOMB his ass for STEALING American capital in the form of investment (not to mention, his purloining of multi-national investment) to the tune of roughly a few billion dollars. As far as I'm concerned, that's an act of war, no different than when Castro did it in the 50's.

If you fuck with our money, we should make an example of you, period.
freezing Citgo's assets would be closer to fair.

I think the main point is being missed, what does "rule by decree" mean?

I think the main point is being missed, what does "rule by decree" mean?

The President creates and passes the laws, without the intervention or creation of them by the Congress.

Decree Law = Decreto Ley

freezing Citgo's assets would be closer to fair.

The most they could do would be to close all Citgo stations here in America and all that would accomplish is driving up the cost of gas by decreasing the supply.

The President creates and passes the laws, without the intervention or creation of them by the Congress.

Decree Law = Decreto Ley

So he wants to be a dictator. There is a suprise :rolleyes:

So he wants to be a dictator. There is a suprise :rolleyes:

But a benevolent dictator. That makes it OK apparently.

But a benevolent dictator. That makes it OK apparently.
In Perú as well as in countries from México down to Argentina and Chile, several times in their history, the Congress has granted the executive branch of the government these Decree Law powers, usually during some kind of state emergency, but usually for short periods of time, and under certain parameters of action.

In Perú as well as in countries from México down to Argentina and Chile, several times in their history, the Congress has granted the executive branch of the government these Decree Law powers, usually during some kind of state emergency, but usually for short periods of time, and under certain parameters of action.

That leads me to wonder... What will Chavez's parameters be, if there are any?

Chavez will never lose power until he dies, and the funny thing is American leftists who can't stop kissing the guys ass will actually believe it is because he keeps getting re-elected.
On a side note, I nominate Chavez ugliest world leader. The guy looks like a constipated frog.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/636/soutoad05es.gif

lol, couldn't find a pic of a constipated one, even tho I looked.

It's just money, relax.
Money makes the world go round, my friend.

OTOH, some people say love does, and they're right, too - it does....

It's the love of money.

Oh, the U.S. has merely attempted economic blackmail...
"Economic blackmail"??? Are you kidding me? He does 80% of his business with us. Yeah, we've strong-armed him in the past, but as Venezuela's largest customer, we're afforded that right. In short, it's called business. Make no mistake about it, he broke the cardinal rule when he extorted money from our government and other assorted "US interests" by nationalizing his oil industry.

He's a thief, and consequently, he should be dealt with accordingly - end of story.
The U.S. --in typical ConservaCorporatist fashion-- sees his populist, egalitiarian style of leadership as subversive, dangerous and threatening.......the fatcats are terrified that his attempts to help the Venezuelan poor might spread all over Latin America and the rest of developing world.
If anything, we should be promoting his egalitarian style of leadership in America. Maybe his gratis attempt to feed and "cure" the whole of Latin America will get them the fuck OUTTA here and down there.
Chavez has concentrated on pulling his country out of a crisis and on educating, curing and feeding the poor.
His attempt, while noble, is certainly not going to accomplish that.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/636/soutoad05es.gif

lol, couldn't find a pic of a constipated one, even tho I looked.
Anybody got a pic of Frogger?

The most they could do would be to close all Citgo stations here in America and all that would accomplish is driving up the cost of gas by decreasing the supply.
Citgo doesn't own the stations-just one of the largest refineries in the country, and a massive distribution network (trucks, terminals..yada, yada, yada)...and had 32 billion in revenue last year. i'm sure some of that is sitting around in U.S. banks.

If Verizon decided to go into the oil business after suing Hugo's pants off, do you think they'd care if the oil came from Venezuela or Saudi Arabia? the world oil supply would remain the same.

do you think they'd care if the oil came from Venezuela or Saudi Arabia?
I would.

Saudi oil is much, much better. Far lower in sulfur content. It's referred to a much "sweeter".

Citgo doesn't own the stations-just one of the largest refineries in the country, and a massive distribution network (trucks, terminals..yada, yada, yada)...and had 32 billion in revenue last year. i'm sure some of that is sitting around in U.S. banks.

I am not so sure about that. If they do, it is probobly minimal, just for the running of their US operations and again, all you would do is damage the American oil supply and drive our prices up.


If Verizon decided to go into the oil business after suing Hugo's pants off, do you think they'd care if the oil came from Venezuela or Saudi Arabia? the world oil supply would remain the same.

I don't see that happening. Either suing Venezuela successfully or going into the oil business.

The US oil supply and refining capacity is what matters.
If one of our largest suppliers like Venezuela decided to stop providing oil you had better believe it will effect our fuel prices.

What happened with Citgo? At 7-Eleven earlier I noticed little signs on the pump that say "This fuel is NOT Citgo fuel." and I was wondering why...

What happened with Citgo? At 7-Eleven earlier I noticed little signs on the pump that say "This fuel is NOT Citgo fuel." and I was wondering why...

7-Eleven knows which way the consumer wind blows.

What happened with Citgo? At 7-Eleven earlier I noticed little signs on the pump that say "This fuel is NOT Citgo fuel." and I was wondering why...

Citgo is the state owned Venezuelan gas company.

The "freedom fries" and "Fox News" people are foaming at the mouth about Chavez's dislike of Bush.

Personally, I have always liked Citgo because of the programs they run for the poor here in America.

7-Eleven knows which way the consumer wind blows.

It was just the individual franchise owner.

I certainly do not agree with this latest "boycott" fad.

Personally, I have always liked Citgo because of the programs they run for the poor here in America.

Absolutely.

Those prorgams to help disadvantaged people are, however, anathema to the agenda of ConservaFascists like Bush and Cheney and their ilk.

On a side note, I nominate Smirky the Chimp as *ugliest* world leader.

On the outside somewhat, but even moreso on the inside.

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http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e20/gr8pop/bush_fuck_you_my_america.jpg

I guess the only good corperations are those run by communists dictators who claim they are doing it for the people

Absolutely.

Those prorgams to help disadvantaged people are, however, anathema to the agenda of ConservaFascists like Bush and Cheney and their ilk.
If you don't earn your keep, what good are you? If you can't pay, then fuck you. That's NOT what America is all about. If you can't make it here, then you don't belong anywhere.

I mean, for a nation of dummies, we sure have a lot of rich people....
On a side note, I nominate Smirky the Chimp as *ugliest* world leader.

On the outside somewhat, but even moreso on the inside.
Ugly on the outside? Compared to Chavez, he's a model. Hugo's nothing more than a bloated brown shit-stain with teeth.

I guess the only good corperations are those run by communists dictators who claim they are doing it for the people
I guess...:rolleyes:

Ugly on the outside? Compared to Chavez, he's a model.
Why are you two supposedly straight men discussing the physiognomies of other males?

looking at chavez's face is like looking at a train wreck. You cant look away and you have to tell your friends about it

If you don't earn your keep, what good are you? If you can't pay, then fuck you.

Ahhhh!......the voice of the archetypical Rightwinger!

But then, having an attitude like that one is what prompted the --"B*sh is ugly on the inside"-- comment in the first place.

Ahhhh!......the voice of the archetypical Rightwinger!

But then, having an attitude like that one is what prompted the --"B*sh is ugly on the inside"-- comment in the first place.
and has George Soros ever given a book away?

Why are you two supposedly straight men discussing the physiognomies of other males?

Yeah! why?, or are they GAY?

Yeah! why?, or are they GAY?

Well you never know...

That leads me to wonder... What will Chavez's parameters be, if there are any?

Yes, one can wonder, but that is between Chavez and the people of Venezuela, no other country has to interfere. I don't believe that this country (or any country) has named a particular country to be the POLICE.

Yes, one can wonder, but that is between Chavez and the people of Venezuela, no other country has to interfere. I don't believe that this country (or any country) has named a particular country to be the POLICE.

I don't believe so either. I am completely against any other country interfering with Venezuela's affairs, at least at this point. I can't say that there will never be some kind of attempts at an empire on Venezuela's part, or something like that, that might need to be dealt with, but anyways my point is that all I did was wonder. I was hoping someone could tell me what his limits would be. Apparently not. Oh well, it's not as if I'm going to die without knowing.

I don't believe so either. I am completely against any other country interfering with Venezuela's affairs, at least at this point. I can't say that there will never be some kind of attempts at an empire on Venezuela's part, or something like that, that might need to be dealt with, but anyways my point is that all I did was wonder. I was hoping someone could tell me what his limits would be. Apparently not. Oh well, it's not as if I'm going to die without knowing.

As far as I know, he has requested to be authorized to use the Decree Law powers, but don't know if he has gotten them, so if this is so, we don't know yet about the "parameters" (limits) of what he can do.

and has George Soros ever given a book away?

I don't know.

Has Kenneth Lay ever used a banana peel to shine his shoes?

Has Kenneth Lay ever used a banana peel to shine his shoes?
Does that work?

I have heard that it does.

Aha! Proof that FT does indeed have a sense of hum...*Googles "bannana peel shoe shine"*...oh...

I don't know.

Has Kenneth Lay ever used a banana peel to shine his shoes?


you don't work for free, George Soros doesn't work for free, why would you expect archetypical Rightwingers to?

as far out on the fringe as you are, you really should be wearing a safety harness, you're in danger of falling off.

Here is the genesis of this particular argument--

Originally Posted by The Praetorian;
If you don't earn your keep, what good are you? If you can't pay, then fuck you.

Originally Posted by Freethinker; Ahhhh!......the voice of the archetypical Rightwinger!

and then you respond with---------

you don't work for free, George Soros doesn't work for free, why would you expect archetypical Rightwingers to?

How the fuck any sane person could read the comment --- ""Ahhhh!......the voice of the archetypical Rightwinger!""----------- and twist it into somehow meaning that --- ""I expect archetypical Rightwingers to work for free!"" .....is beyond my comprehension.

How the fuck any sane person could read the comment --- ""Ahhhh!......the voice of the archetypical Rightwinger!""----------- and twist it into somehow meaning that --- ""I expect archetypical Rightwingers to work for free!"" .....is beyond my comprehension.

how could any sane person not? you criticize archetypical Rightwingers for not giving away goods and services, then admit that you wouldn't either.

do you does your hypocrisy keep you awake at night, or have you learned to ignore it?

Yeah! why?, or are they GAY?
I'll bet your fingers are crossed, aren't they, you little Latin butt-monkey?

you criticize archetypical Rightwingers for not giving away goods and services, then admit that you wouldn't either.....

WTF?!?!?!?

You have drawn a couple of totally nonsensical conclusions from the preceeding discussion.

I have never said, implied nor hinted at any expectation on my part that-----""archetypical Rightwingers should work for free"".

I have never said, implied nor hinted at any expectation on my part that-----""archetypical Rightwingers should give away their goods and services"".

I have never said, implied nor hinted that-----""archetypical Rightwingers won't give away their goods and services, and I agree with them in that I wouldn't either"".

WTF?!?!?!?

You have drawn a couple of totally nonsensical conclusions from the preceeding discussion.

I have never said, implied nor hinted at any expectation on my part that-----""archetypical Rightwingers should work for free"".

I have never said, implied nor hinted at any expectation on my part that-----""archetypical Rightwingers should give away their goods and services"".

I have never said, implied nor hinted that-----""archetypical Rightwingers won't give away their goods and services, and I agree with them in that I wouldn't either"".
yep, you've learned to iqnore it...that's good. you old ppl need your rest.

As far as I know, he has requested to be authorized to use the Decree Law powers, but don't know if he has gotten them

lol, and I am sure everyone was waiting with baited breath for Saddams election results too

yep, you've learned to iqnore it...that's good.

I have never said, implied nor hinted at any expectation on my part that-----""archetypical Rightwingers should work for free"".

I have never said, implied nor hinted at any expectation on my part that-----""archetypical Rightwingers should give away their goods and services"".

I have never said, implied nor hinted that-----""archetypical Rightwingers won't give away their goods and services, and I agree with them in that I wouldn't either"".

lol, and I am sure everyone was waiting with baited breath for Saddams election results too

?

In other words, Chavez waiting for authorization to do something is like Sadaam waiting to see if he will get re elected or not. Chavez is a dictator and will never be "voted" out of office, he will die an old man like Castro clinging to power. The funny thing is all the leftists who praise Chavez and cry about America being a fascist regime will not blink an eye at Chavez and his amazing string of consecutive victories at the ballot box. They will think he is such a great leader he just wins every time. That is because they are stupid.

In other words, Chavez waiting for authorization to do something is like Saddam waiting to see if he will get re elected or not. Chavez is a dictator and will never be "voted" out of office, he will die an old man like Castro clinging to power. The funny thing is all the leftists who praise Chavez and cry about North America being a fascist regime will not blink an eye at Chavez and his amazing string of consecutive victories at the ballot box. They will think he is such a great leader he just wins every time. That is because they are stupid.

OK, but what does this have to do with my answer that we don't know yet "the limitations" (if any)... I am sure that he will get these Decree Law powers too, but that's it. Still some would like to read what he can and can't do, and I am sure that he would like them to look "democratic". He doesn't need to be a "dictator", whether some think he is, a huge percentage of his people back him up with his reforms, but a "Dictator" just does it because he can, with the power of the guns and/or a "servile" congress (ring a bell?).

Oh!, and I am also sure that he doesn't need to CHEAT! Evo Morales didn't cheat either!

Chavez gets new powers (http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=mergersNews&storyID=2007-01-31T162929Z_01_N31458657_RTRIDST_0_VENEZUELA-CHAVEZ-UPDATE-2.XML)

Venezuela's Congress on Wednesday gave approval to the first part of President Hugo Chavez's plan to rule by decree for 18 months as he tries to force through nationalizations key to his self-styled leftist revolution.

. . .

The economic reforms are set to work in tandem with increased political centralization. Chavez is forging a single party to lead his radical reforms, stripping the central bank of autonomy and seeking indefinite re-election.

There's a fucking shocker. :rolleyes: