Mel Gibson starring in this based on a true storyabout men who were over in Vietnam. Its almost like a whole platone is surrounded and he is left to fend them off with his soldiers...

Excellent movie.

Best Quote
"I wonder how General Custard felt when he knew he led his men into this"
"Sir I would not know"


Can someone correct it, i know I am missing one part ;)

George W. Bush was the first American to see it,Besides produces,and such.

10 Thumbs up! He will get an Oscar that they denied him for The Patriot for not taking out the senes of the kids shooting.

Mel Gibson is a real American! Keep it real man!

I refuse to see it why because based on American war movies they tend not to tell the entire truth about the war or things that happened leading up to it. Just like in Black Hawk Down they left out some very importdant facts about the war mostly because producers and such like to make America look good. They would like you to get in some type of patriotic mood. I will read more about this movie and then I will read about what actully happened if they are close in comparison I may rent it. If you have any questions concering Black Hawk Down and would like to know the diffrence between the movie and what really happened I would be glad to answer them.

Dude,

They must have it Hollywood, and we will never get the real story, if you want the truth go read up on it.

To be made into a movie, then Hollywood has to be added, Mel Gibson is a combination of 2 people....so if you take it as the truth then you are not the brightest person in the world...

I caught a few minutes of it, and it really didn't grab me. Does it come even remotely close to, say, Full Metal Jacket or Platoon?

Like I said they don't inform you on the entire story you can still make a movie and also inform the viewers of entire actual events and still add people in to it. And I know many people who would love to see that movie if it told half the truth. I'm sick of going to see a movie and all it does is make the United States look like a god like figure. Trying to get you in a patriotic mood so you can become part of the lies. Maybe your not very smart when you jump on someone for opposing of some movie you so dearly love. Go to Germany or just about any other European country. I have a relative who lived in Germany for five years he said when European countries produce war movies that are based on a true story 99% of the time they tell the entire truth and people still go to see the movie. So maybe that was not a very smart comment you made.

Well, I wouldn't say it so drastically, but I have to agree with ConfusedYouth. An exciting movie and a true story are no contradiction!

I prefer movies showing the naked, bloody truth of war instead of glorifying it and twisting facts. Hmmm.. Not only do I prefer this kind of (anti-)war movie, but in fact I absolutely refuse all other...

IMO, Hollywood sucks.

Schindeler's List True story did not tell the whole facts, you hate that movie as well?

The Great Escape in 1964 told most of the facts but did not tell all, you against that movie?

In fact this was one of the most truth in a US made movie, in a long time, said so by the people who were actually there....

Any movie no matter where it is made will have some fiction in it.

All the people that were there and living still on the History channel said it was 75% correct. some said more but that was the lowest score given.

Nonono.. you got me wrong. Of course, no movie can tell the 100% truth. But if you change, add or leave out facts then you do this with a certain purpose. And if this is to achieve some kind of glorification of war, then the film is IMO not a very good one!

In this movie, it was about the people who died and the numbers that were against them, and anyone to say the story of it was just not an amazing thing, it lying, because they were really out numbered, and the general himself compared it to Custer's Last Stand, as they were the same regitment, and out gunned but they made every bullet count.

Yes the US will seem a better person, but they showed that when you left camp yo changed your clothes prior to leaving the bas, as you did not want to be known with the conflict. It is one of the most accurate movies, as I have studied up on this

The whole point of this movie is to "Remember the Ones Who Allow You To Have Your Freedoms"

It was not about the people who died in the war it was because hollywood wanted more filthy dollars. Again you said it showed how the numbers were against them like I said they would like you to get in this stupid patriotic mood. The United States army does not allow me to have my freedoms the US constitution allows me to have my freedoms the United States armed forces do nothing but murder and kill and if that is freedom then count me out. I not for watching war movies that are based on a true story anyway to support the idea people get entertainment off an actual event where fathers, mothers, anc children died is nothing you will see me supporting. And as far as those movies go I'm yet to see them and will never see them and as far as the history channel goes it is alot more accurate than these greedy hollywood produced movies they put out.

I am going to say this, cause this makes me mad...

You Are a Real Dumb----, that must be a ----ing Liberal.

The constituition does not protect you, the men and women of the US Military does. How can you honestly look at the men that fought there and tell them that what they did, did not help you have your freedoms.

I have met with many vetrans, and many that were there died for nothing, but guess what during WWII they died so that Germany would not take over the world. You think a piece of paper protects you. Then you are sadly mistaken my friend, as it is people that is willing to die for that piece of paper, maybe you should rethink the way you think things

/Off Soap Box/

I need to rethink my ideas? Lets see a peice of paper doe's protect my rights. That peice of paper gives me the right to speak how ever I like. That peice of paper tells women and African Americans they have the write to vote. That peice of paper does protect you and I and millions of others living in the United States. The United States should of never allowed World War 1 or 2 to happen. That is a fault of us and other countys.

Let me tell you something

I got a friend called "Bic Cigerette Lighter" I would like to introduce to that piece of paper, that piece of paper doesnt mean crap without someone to enfore it, **hint hint, the reason why the legislative branch makes law, executive [b:6ef018f758]CARRIES THEM OUT[/b:6ef018f758] and the judicial deems the constutional or not.


WWI we did not have to get in, dang, I don't care if the people spoke German, or French, but they were being invavded with people we trade with, and
WWII we were attacked, and we decided it was time for us to kick Europeon @$$ and Destory Dang Japs.

So without someone to depend that piece of paper that helps so many people, it is worthless, not even worth writing your own thoughts on since in Anarchy rule they would have you killed for those kinds of thoughts!

God Bless America, and I thank everyone who has erved in the armed forces, for defending my rights!

My rights are not defended by war. God bless America? Are you just trying to show me how patriotic you can be? God bless America is a stupid quote which should of never been coined up. United States has millions of people of other religons and they care about this country just as much as you do. They don't need religon imposed on them. Also big fat lighter is your friend? Maybe it's time to find some social friends. The constitution defends your rights not an army of a few who are obedient do a system that hurts millions why only helping a hand full of rich. The Constitution allows you to plead to the 5th not some armed forces. The Constitution allows you to have a fair speedy trial not some armed forces. The constitution allows you to say whatever you please in public not some armed forces.

That piece of paper is just that, you need something such as an army to back it up

An army backs my rights up? So I guess in Japan where they do not have an army they have no rights huh?

It's interesting how one comment about the "designated topic", can turn into a big non-movie debate. =) But hey, when it happens, it happens. =)

I'm on the fence really, because there are elements to both arguments that I agree with. How can someone possibly say that the feedom America has now, has nothing to do with the armed forces? (rhetorical question) On the same token, "papers", or government decisions, are a large part of it too, obviously.

How could Lincoln have upholded his anti-slavery campaign, had it not been for the men that fought against the confederate armies of the South? (Which Mel Gibson played one... funny)
How many human lives were destroyed, and stripped of their ultimate freedom, because of armed conflicts?

This whole debate could never end. There are so many advantages and disadvantages for men losing their lives fighting. An answer couldn't be reached, ergo, who could win this argument?

Hollywood's main goal is to make $, they do so by manipulating the public's emotions. How else does anyone expect them to do so, without stretching the truth? Look at ANY action film. Or drama... ESPECIALLY romance... Hollywood turns love into something that one would be tremendously disappointed, if they expect the same relationship with someone else. =) Another thing just like it... patriotism. The public loves that... Americans love that. It can't help but be a little eurocentric... Movies like Braveheart, win best picture, when the lead character's last breath utter's the word: FREEDOME! One of the most patriotic characters of all movie time! (Mel Gibson again) But does anyone want to know just how freaking LITTLE the world knows about the real William Wallace?? The answer... no. Truth is, it doesnt matter, it makes the average people feel a certainway... ergo, it makes money. Reality is definately not enough... even reality tv... they edit that stuff like crazy!

If there is a Hollywood movie about war... you should know by now what to expect. If you get offended by the clear stretch of truth, don't see it.

In my opinion, which seems clear to me now, is that... this is all Mel Gibson's fault!

"Junior Member" ?? I feel so inferior! lol

Anyone know how to get promoted? Are the opinions of Juniors, taken less seriously? =) ---- Elitists! lol

After 50 posts you become a Senior member!

Welcome to the Forums tho!

Thank you! I enjoy movies a lot, so I might write a lot of messages in this section. But I noticed how much I can't refuse posting my opinion in the political forums too.

it sounds like this thread is gonna have to be moved to the political section

wow. I gotta say I appreciate the replies in which people at least acknowledged the contribution of those who have served / are serving in the United States armed forces. I am a soldier in the US Army Reserves ( to dispel any 'weekend warrior' jokes before they arise, I am soon to be active and, with a little work, on my way to Ranger school ) with the 463rd Eng Bn, on our way to Iraq (...we think) later this year.

ConfusedYouth, you are obviously exactly that. A confused young man or woman who has bought into the trendy anti-establishment fads. Your opinions, while yours and therefor a valid addition to this forum, are... for lack of a better description : retarded. As a matter of fact, "We Were Soldiers" is extremely accurate in its depiction of the battle in question (read the book on which the movie was based, "We Were Soldiers Once... and Young") and at no point resorts to cheap hollywood tricks to 'make America look good'. The soldiers who fought so valiantly there to surive did that for us. As far as the directors attempting to make you feel patriotic... again, get a clue. Yes, everyone here will readily admit that is EXACTLY what they are trying to do. Just like a sad movie tries to make you feel sad, a happy movie happy, and so on...

That being said... wow, again. What was that you said "...if that is freedom, count [you] out" ? Consider yourself free to leave at any time, pal. I have worked to put myself in a position that one day ( apparently later this year... ) I may be asked to put my life in danger to protect American interests. Do I think my going to Iraq will somehow secure your freedom of speech? No. But one day it might. Your total lack of understanding concerning the armed forces is appaling. Men and women have DIED for your right to sit behind your computer and type this anti-everything BS. You honestly don't think that soldiers in wars such as the Civil War and World War II did anything to "promote your general welfare"? The United States as we know it today would not exist if it were not for the Union troops. Who knows what would have happened had American troops not acted to stop the onslaught of German forces in World War II.

ALL WE DO IS MURDER AND KILL?

50 men and women of my unit are in Africa as we speak. Pictures I've seen sent back to us show them building schools for poor civilians and distributing food. Those 50 soldiers have lost the last 2 years of their civilian lives because little punks like you will never be man or woman enough to do what they do. Hike a mile in our boots and then you can talk about these grown-up issues... cause you're obviously misinformed, misguided, and like I said before... retarded. If it were up to me, America would be devoid of people who don't want to fall under the security I PROVIDE.

The Constitution provides the basis for rights and protection, I won't argue that. But, and pay very close attention here, you need to understand something. If the Army, Navy, Air Force, etc did not exist... who would you look to when some psycho like Hitler (and World War II happened so don't think it can't buddy) comes along and decides you are part of an inferior race and should be murdered immediately. Well, according to you, the Constitution will save you... interesting. Will you hold it in front of you and pray its tattered paper will stop the firing squads' bullets? Or maybe you'd be better off holding it over your mouth to filter out as much poison gas as possible when they lock you in a gas chamber. The world is an imperfect place, get used to it. You need me and all my comrades-in-arms, so show us some damn respect. You don't have to agree with EVERYTHING we do, but show learn some goddamn humility kid.




This rant is dedicated to all the men and women we owe our country to... all those who one day may find themselves by my side, under fire... and anyone now serving the United States and her allies in any manner. And Mel Gibson (thought i'd try to stick to the original topic hehe)

Confussed Youth, I think the name truly fits. It would be careless and dangerous for America to think that they can continue to live in the manner that we do if we didn't have the strength of our Arm Forces to protect us.

I think these movies that have been mentioned serve a purpose greater than entertainment, they are a tool for enlightenment. Not all people are willing to take the time to research and read about our history. Movies give them a shortened version. An insight they maynot of had otherwise. It maynot be 100% correct, but it is still better than nothing.

I personally find the movies very upsetting. All of them. It is tragic when you are confronted with the fact that so many have died, so many had suffered.

Law without enforcement doesn't work, and neither would our constitution without enforcement.

You live in an amazing country, not perfect, but amazing. I feel that you are ashamed of the things we have done, truthfully I am ashamed of a few things myself, but I believe in this country and what we are trying to achieve and I stand the men and women of our arm forces with all of my heart.

I actually tired out for a part as an extra in this movie. the battle scenes were filmed near my town, and they held auditions in my town. they were looking for former military guys to be the american soldiers. they said I could have done it, but I had to be able to take at least a month off of work. well, that pretty much blew that all to hell.

This thread was nearly two years old with no replies, and suddenly we get more? WTF? Why were people digging that deep here, I wonder?

Originally posted by BorgHunter
This thread was nearly two years old with no replies, and suddenly we get more? WTF? Why were people digging that deep here, I wonder?

Does Google pick up the entire forum? Seems like people like to do searches on the internet and pop in to paste in a pre-written diatribe on one topic that they care about. Hence the twice monthly pop-in by fundies.

I am going to start going way back and replying to very old posts just to piss off borg