How come people always say Nostrodomus predicted something AFTER it happened? Why doest someone use his "predictions" to tell us something that will happen in the future?

They do. All the time.

Fuck Nostrodomus. He was an illiterate hack. The real master is Negrodamus!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/45/Negrodamus.jpg

Why is George Bush so sure Iraq had weapons of mass destruction?

Negrodomus: Because... he has the receipt.

How come people always say Nostrodomus predicted something AFTER it happened? Why doest someone use his "predictions" to tell us something that will happen in the future?


People have tried Trav. It was believed by many that Nostradamus predicted a great clamity would occur in 1999...didn't happen.

"The year 1999, seventh month,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror.
To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck."

Because all of the quatrains are written symbolically so therefore hard to know what he is referring to.

I remember some song that someone wrote once interpreting some of his verses. Years later their interpretation was quite accurate.

Something about a pope dying x number of leagues from Rome (which happened as he died in his summer house) and then a great wall being cast aside which was communism. Damn...I had forgotten about that. I'll have to try to find some more info on that song.

Anyway, Nostradamus is open to too many interpretations. Hilter tried to use it during WWII saying his rule would last for 1000 years. Everyone wants to use it but no one knows how.

Nostradamus accurately predicted the death of the King of France and even the method--in a joust.
He also named the man who killed him--Montmorency.
All this before it occured.

If memory serves me correctly, he did predict the coming of Hitler (he even predicted the era that he would rise to power in and identified him by name calling him "Hister")

I believe he also predicted the end of the world being fought in the middle east, a war that would rage from the stars and throughout the heavens. This war would be led by someone he identified as "the man in blue". :@@:


I have not really been a true follower of Nostorodomus, but I do find some of his material rather interesting to say the least!

Predictions are related to the problem of determinism. It's very interesting!

Say a perfect predictor says tomorrow a person will drown in this lake. If everyone takes the predictor seriously, then no one is allowed to go to the lake. Take it a little extreme: before tomorrow, the lake is drained by authorities taking the perfect predictor seriously. Hmm. Now there is no possibility of the prediction being fulfilled. The only way you can get by that is to say that the predictor would have seen this coming, so he would not make the prediction in the first place. Another hmm. Well. That would seem to imply that everything that everyone will do must be predetermined for such "see" to be possible.

I love these time paradoxes!

Ooops, I made a goof in my earlier post--Nostradamus did accurately predict the death of Henry II King of France in a joust.

Here is the quatrain:



CI, Q 35 "The young lion will overcome the older one,
on the field of combat in single battle,
He will pierce his eyes through a golden cage,
Two wounds made one, then he dies a cruel death."

But it was not Montmorency who killed him. He was a French nobleman who was executed for a different crime, first imprisoned--Nostradamus correctly predicted that also:

"The dauphin shall carry the fleur de lis to Nancy
And even into Flanders to the elector of the German Empire.
A new prison shall confine the great Montmorency
Who, far from the customary sites, will be delivered to the well-known punishment. "

Interesting stuff--all this , needless to say, very much impressed Catherine de Medici, Henry's widowed queen, who dabbled in the occult herself.

Ooops, I made a goof in my earlier post--Nostradamus did accurately predict the death of Henry II King of France in a joust.

Here is the quatrain:


How does one tell real Nostrodomus predictions apart from the numerous ones made up by people after the fact?

Good question--from wikipedia: (note dates)


Seer
After another visit to Italy, Nostradamus began to move away from medicine and towards the occult. Following popular trends, he wrote an almanac for 1550, for the first time Latinizing his name from Nostredame to Nostradamus. He was so encouraged by the almanac's success that he decided to write one or more annually. Taken together, they are known to have contained at least 6,338 prophecies,[8][1] as well as at least eleven annual calendars, all of them starting on January 1 and not, as is sometimes supposed, in March. It was mainly in reaction to the almanacs that the nobility and other prominent persons from far away soon started asking for horoscopes and advice from him, though he generally expected his clients to supply the birth charts on which the horoscopes would be based, contrary to the normal practice of professional astrologers.[5][3]

He then began his project of writing a book of one thousand quatrains, which constitute the largely undated prophecies for which he is most famous today. Feeling vulnerable to religious fanatics, however, he devised a method of obscuring his meaning by using "Virgilianized" syntax, word games and a mixture of languages such as Greek, Italian, Latin, and Provençal. For technical reasons connected with their publication in three installments (the publisher of the third and last installment seems to have been unwilling to start it in the middle of a "Century," or book of 100 verses), the last fifty-eight quatrains of the seventh "Century" have not survived into any extant edition.

The quatrains, published in a book titled Les Propheties (The Prophecies), received a mixed reaction when they were published. Some people thought Nostradamus was a servant of evil, a fake, or insane, while many of the elite thought his quatrains were spiritually inspired prophecies — as, in the light of their post-biblical sources (see under Literary sources below), Nostradamus himself was indeed prone to claim. Catherine de Médicis, the queen consort of King Henri II of France, was one of Nostradamus' greatest admirers. After reading his almanacs for 1555, which hinted at unnamed threats to the royal family, she summoned him to Paris to explain them and to draw up horoscopes for her children. At the time, he feared that he would be beheaded, but by the time of his death in 1566, Catherine had made him Counselor and Physician-in-Ordinary to the King.


Side note--Henry II died in a joust July 1, 1559, Paris.

Why is George Bush so sure Iraq had weapons of mass destruction?

Negrodomus: Because... he has the receipt.That's an old Bill Hicks joke. I wonder who said it first.

That's an old Bill Hicks joke. I wonder who said it first.

lets look back at quatrain 22-19, it says

"The young lion will give WMD's to the older one,
on the field of combat it will be used,
He will pierce his eyes through a golden cage,
Two wounds made one, then he dies a cruel death."

How come people always say Nostrodomus predicted something AFTER it happened? Why doest someone use his "predictions" to tell us something that will happen in the future?


Guys this is too much fun! :banana: :slap: :hitout:

Travh20 you are loved!

sonny

So guys you go to the "Oracle" and get a future prediction you have got to figure it out. The future is not set in stone. If you can figure out what the oracle said, you can change things. That proves that the oracle was wrong.

All prophecy is tricky or you will change the future. :)

The money is in saying that the prophet was right. No future is changed!

Is Bush (and US) starting "Armageddon"? Or is he trying to prevent it? At this point with things, I don't think that we will ever know. Armageddon is started and ain't going away. My question is, "Who turned that boy loose?"

W's mandate by the voters was to do what his dad didn't do, "Kick Sodom out of Iraq." He did it. Now what is happening? There is a reason why W's dad didn't do it. And we are now up to our neck in why! :D

The only interesting thing is that prophecy says that we win. Something about one houndred pound rocks from Heaven.

What do you guys think? Should the bad guys be warned? :D

sonny

Oh :) have you ever seen what happens when a one houndred pound rock is dropped from 40,000 ft.? "And the victors were standing on glass."

A low tech fly by at 40,000 ft. :) Is the world (French) going to complain? How many rocks can a B52 drop just for fun? :D

What do you guys think? Did prophecy give us a sugestion? Or were we going to do that anyway?

Love,

sonny

So guys you go to the "Oracle" and get a future prediction you have got to figure it out. The future is not set in stone. If you can figure out what the oracle said, you can change things. That proves that the oracle was wrong.

All prophecy is tricky or you will change the future. :)

The money is in saying that the prophet was right. No future is changed!

Is Bush (and US) starting "Armageddon"? Or is he trying to prevent it? At this point with things, I don't think that we will ever know. Armageddon is started and ain't going away. My question is, "Who turned that boy loose?"

W's mandate by the voters was to do what his dad didn't do, "Kick Sodom out of Iraq." He did it. Now what is happening? There is a reason why W's dad didn't do it. And we are now up to our neck in why! :D

The only interesting thing is that prophecy says that we win. Something about one houndred pound rocks from Heaven.

What do you guys think? Should the bad guys be warned? :D

sonny
Reading your remarks about prophesies and how they might change the future made me wonder about your conception of time.

Do you see our movement in time as equivalent to traveling in another dimension--like taking a trip from the past through the present into the future? That is the picture created by relativity theory and its use of Lorenz transformations, where acceleration is seen as transforming a space dimension into a time dimension.

With this view of time, of course, the past and future are places we visit, and they cannot be changed (or can they--the time-travel paradoxes!!!).

Or do you have another possible view of time that is not too far different from the first--except that each possible future has its own existence as the universe "blooms" into all of its potentialities. In this view all possible futures are correct, so that, so long as the prophet predicts something that is possible, he or she is bound to be right in some future universe.

Of course most of us have neither of these views but instead a more mundane view that neither past nor present really exist physically, but only in our heads. The only thing that exists is the eternal present. The universe changes with events, but this does not create a "past." It only means the present is now different. Is this your view?

Of course most of us have neither of these views but instead a more mundane view that neither past nor present really exist physically, but only in our heads. The only thing that exists is the eternal present. The universe changes with events, but this does not create a "past." It only means the present is now different. Is this your view?
Metaphysics says time is not linear and can be altered.