According to this:
http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2007/jan/09/commentary-president-bush-v-polar-bears/

The artical is a trashy bushwack piece; however, read the comments below it. I just wish I could find some objective material on the subject.

For some reason, I just don't trust Al Gore or Exxon to give me reliable information...

some scientists say it is to late for humanes to stop it .

Interesting read. I do wish there were more objective sources, but it does make some good points and I do believe most of it.

The artical is a trashy bushwack piece;

I cannot fathom how anyone would characterize the article as "trashy".

Could you explain that criticism?!?

As to it being a *bushwack piece".................what the?!?!

Name anything you see in the piece that you perceive of being unfair to Bush or overly critical of him. I want you to explain to me how this piece could be called *a bushwack*.

however, read the comments below it.

I did.

Overall they were fairly thoughtful and rational, but get a load of the malarkey this guy posted....

"".....the same can be said for Al Gore and "an inconvenient truth" or, for that matter, anybody who is a die-hard environmentalist. There's an agenda. And I maintain that that agenda is to prop up global warming as a scare tool to justify carbon taxes and gasoline taxes. And to drum up support for the kyoto treaty which, if you read it in depth, is nothing more than a massive re-distribution of wealth tool.________Posted by sambo4""

:rolleyes:

Riiiiight, you fucking genuis sambo 4.

Global warming is simply a "scare tool". The reason the world's leading scientists are overwhelmingly convinced that global warming is real is NOT because decades of research all around the globe shows that it's taking place, but instead these smarty-pants scientist fellers are pushing it because they are deviously conspiring to "impose carbon taxes and gasoline taxes", and because they have this maniacal agenda for the "redistribution of wealth". [/sarcasm]

It's hard to believe that people that ignorant can figure out how to turn a computer on and find a website.

Polar bears are over-rated as a species anyway.

Every polar bear I ever met was mean as shit, and they'd just as soon eat you as look at you. Good riddance I say.

PS Polar bear meat make really good jerky, but they say to shy away from the liver and sweetbreads. Too much Vitamin A, and it'll kill you if you eat it.
;)

next thread: BUSH WANTS TO KILL LITTLE BABIES

next thread: BUSH WANTS TO KILL LITTLE BABIES

Jut some in Iraq.

And then maybe a few tens of thousands in Iran sometime in the coming months.

Polar bears are over-rated as a species anyway.

Every polar bear I ever met was mean as shit, and they'd just as soon eat you as look at you. Good riddance I say.

PS Polar bear meat make really good jerky, but they say to shy away from the liver and sweetbreads. Too much Vitamin A, and it'll kill you if you eat it.
;)

LMAO Tht's funny

And who said animals cant go extinct anymore anyway? Millions of species have died out over the past billion years. Suddenly humans have the responsibility to make sure no species die out, ever? Extinction is part of life. The world would be a crowded place if species never died out.

Jut some in Iraq.

And then maybe a few tens of thousands in Iran sometime in the coming months.
God willing.

lol

I think you mean allah willing

No, I'm pretty sure I meant God.

That Allah is a chump compared to Jeeezus!!! (Praise The LORD, Our God Almighty)

Now, I realize you may be asking yourself how I know that God (PTLOGA) likes us and hates camel jockeys??? Well, that's simple: just look at our weapons. Hell, as I see it, we're there on a mission of mercy. :thumbs:

"....coming up next, which work better: springy clothespins, or...the other kind?" - Kent Brockman

Jut some in Iraq.

And then maybe a few tens of thousands in Iran sometime in the coming months.

IF you are serious, and i'm pretty sure you are... got any proof that Bush wants to "kill babies"?.. or are you just doing some more of your uneducated smearing?

IF you are serious, and i'm pretty sure you are... got any proof that Bush wants to "kill babies"?..

Well, ignoramus, I have proof that many thousands of Iraqi babies are dead because of actions that B*sh initiated, if that'll help you.

Google **Iraq war dead** if you have any doubts.

Well, ignoramus, I have proof that many thousands of Iraqi babies are dead because of actions that B*sh initiated, if that'll help you.

Google **Iraq war dead** if you have any doubts.

Ahhh but did Bush go over there and shoot them purposely himself?

You sure seem to paint it that way...

I don't think anyone draws up war plans that include "and men... make sure you kill alot of babies out there!"...

That is retarded... just like you for having the line of reasoning you do.

No, I'm pretty sure I meant God.

That Allah is a chump compared to Jeeezus!!! (Praise The LORD, Our God Almighty)

If you're going to use Arabic words, know the meaning. Allah just means God...

Now, I realize you may be asking yourself how I know that God (PTLOGA) likes us and hates camel jockeys??? ...

Same reason why God liked Hitler and hated the Jews?

Well, that's simple: just look at our weapons. Hell, as I see it, we're there on a mission of mercy. :thumbs:

Okay, 'Dolf...

Ahhh but did Bush go over there and shoot them purposely himself?

Geepers!.....you're right. He didn't.

You certainly make a good point there.

:rolleyes:

Geepers!.....you're right. He didn't.

You certainly make a good point there.

:rolleyes:

rolleyes aside.. i'm right.

AND i'd bet you millions on the stock market:D that battle plans and Bush's memos have NOTHING to do with "killing Iraqi babies"...

AND i'd bet you millions on the stock market:D that battle plans and Bush's memos have NOTHING to do with "killing Iraqi babies"...

I would not posit that Bush has actively set out to expressly "kill Iraqi babies"........but there is NO denying that he DID set events into motion (i.e.,the illegal, ill-conceived, unprovoked Iraq war) which had a 100% certainty of causing Iraqi babies to be killed.

Stick that in your pipe and fucking smoke it, ignoramus.

Stick that in your pipe and fucking smoke it, ignoramus.

See, this is the kind of crap that makes you sound like a completely ignorant, whiny and petulant child (and be considered one by those who aren't). If your goal is to get people to listen to you and put some sort of value in what you say, you're going about it the wrong way.

But then, I wouldn't expect a kid to understand that....


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I would not posit that Bush has actively set out to expressly "kill Iraqi babies"........but there is NO denying that he DID set events into motion (i.e.,the illegal, ill-conceived, unprovoked Iraq war) which had a 100% certainty of causing Iraqi babies to be killed.

Stick that in your pipe and fucking smoke it, ignoramus.

While certain events may have transpired... i think we can agree that it wasn't our INTENT to "kill iraqi babies"... so the fact that you are trying to connect the two in such a way is insane.

Now, if you were to word it that we could and can do more to PREVENT more Iraqi children deaths... THAT would be a more intelligent and sane way to look at it, and i'd agree with you. But listening to you blame bush directly for the Iraqi children deaths, and making it seem like we purposely kill children is laughable...

AND... good point Marzipan.. this coming from the guy who has me in his signature.. out of context i might add..

I don't know which of these arguments is more stupid.

I guess it's my fault though, since I was the one who started the thread...


In other news:
The Lincoln Squirrel has been assassinated! We'll stay with this story all night if we have to, damnit.
-Kent Brockman

See, this is the kind of crap that makes you sound like a completely ignorant, whiny and petulant child (and be considered one by those who aren't).

F*ck whatever you or anyone else "considers" about me.

Decka is an ignoramus and I intend to point that out for all to see.

If your goal is to get people to listen to you and put some sort of value in what you say, you're going about it the wrong way.

Well maybe that ain't my fucking 'goal', toots.

Maybe my only "goal" is to ridicule Decka and expose his complete idiocy.

GWBush set events into motion that had the inevitable effect of causing Iraqi babies to die.........and I will not cease pointing that out.

While certain events may have transpired... i think we can agree that it wasn't our INTENT to "kill iraqi babies"...

Even though it might be said that GWBush did not actively set out expressly to "kill Iraqi babies", he DID set events into motion which he knew would inevitably cause Iraqi babies to be killed.

There is NO denying it.

Polar bears are over-rated as a species anyway.

Every polar bear I ever met was mean as shit, and they'd just as soon eat you as look at you. Good riddance I say.

PS Polar bear meat make really good jerky, but they say to shy away from the liver and sweetbreads. Too much Vitamin A, and it'll kill you if you eat it.
;)


hahahahaha funny

Ah Sparky, is it just because they are all left handed and black skinned? (quite literally)

How the hell they figure out they are all left-pawed is beyond me.

Although I think those may be myths they are cool none the less.

Thats the real "war on christmas", if there was such a thing.

* Freethinker stamps foot and bellows at the top of his voice *

F*ck whatever you or anyone else "considers" about me.

Decka is an ignoramus and I intend to point that out for all to see.

If your goal is to get people to listen to you and put some sort of value in what you say, you're going about it the wrong way.

* Freethinker's face turns red; he bloviates more aggressively and waves his arms about *

Well maybe that ain't my fucking 'goal', toots.

Maybe my only "goal" is to ridicule Decka and expose his complete idiocy.

GWBush set events into motion that had the inevitable effect of causing Iraqi babies to die.........and I will not cease pointing that out.

* Freethinker falls to the floor shrieking, spittle flying, hands and feet drumming a loud tattoo *

:corn:

Yea, FT does happen to be 54, i hope all of this anguish and hatred towards Bush doesn't give him a heart attack...

If you're going to use Arabic words, know the meaning. Allah just means God...
First off, my post was meant to be a joke, which everyone else seemed to get save your stupid ass.

Secondly, I could give a shit about using Arabic words properly. Allah could translate to "pig fucker" for all I care. That aside, it's a good thing it doesn't mean "wiped off the map", because then, we could sit here for hours debating it, couldn't we?

Wouldn't that just be a hoot and a hollar?!?
Okay, 'Dolf...
What are you poking fun for??? The only thing that differentiates modern day Muslims from the Hitler of 60 years ago is the fact that they're nowhere near as good at killing Jews.

First off, my post was meant to be a joke, which everyone else seemed to get save your stupid ass.

It wasn't a very funny joke. Maybe because it was the fact that you used the term camel jockey.

Secondly, I could give a shit about using Arabic words properly. Allah could translate to "pig fucker" for all I care.

If you're going to use a word, you should use correctly.

That aside, it's a good thing it doesn't mean "wiped off the map", because then, we could sit here for hours debating it, couldn't we?

Lol. That debate is with freethinker. But that was funny.


What are you poking fun for??? The only thing that differentiates modern day Muslims from the Hitler of 60 years ago is the fact that they're nowhere near as good at killing Jews.

I'm just hoping this is another joke. But if that was the goal of ALL modern day muslims, the world will be in more shambles than it is now. You know and I know its not.

It wasn't a very funny joke. Maybe because it was the fact that you used the term camel jockey.
Fair enough.

I use the term "camel jockey" to describe Ahmadinejad like I would "nigger" to describe a scumbag like Farrakhan. I don't think of your average Muslim as a "camel jockey", just like I don't think of your average black person as a "nigger". My point is simple - I hate religious zealots with a blinding passion, so to make a long story short, I target Muslims for being the extreme doctrinaires they have a tendency to be. As a matter of fact, to quote Ben Stiller from Dodge ball, "in so facto" I'll cast aspersions their direction because they deserve it.
If you're going to use a word, you should use correctly.
I won't argue that point. You're right. Sorry I poked fun at your expense.
I'm just hoping this is another joke. But if that was the goal of ALL modern day muslims, the world will be in more shambles than it is now. You know and I know its not.
It was a joke, and hey, Googs...

You're getting better at being able to tell. :) You know, there might just be hope for you yet, son.

My God....what have I done!? I should have known better than to tamper with the forces of online forums, and now, I've created a monster! Well, there's only one thing left to do:

"When you're blue, and you don't know where to go to, why don't you go where fashion sits?"
"PUUAAANN ONNN DAAA RRRIIIZZZ"

Yea, FT does happen to be 54, i hope all of this anguish and hatred towards Bush doesn't give him a heart attack...

I feel confident that he will manage to incite some group (perhaps from one of those countries where hundreds of thousands of men, women and babies are being killed due to events B*sh set into motion) to set off a nuclear weapon in this country long before I have a heart attack.

__________________________________________________ _

The hundreds of billions of dollars flowing out of the pockets of the U.S. taxpayers and into the pockets of the Bush Dynasty, the Cheney Family “Trust” and the innumerable other slimy bottom feeders is all for a 'good cause'. We’re selling out our great grandchildren's future, and saddling them with a mountain of debt, all to defend an idiotic slogan -- The Global War on Terror!

I will take those odds

I feel confident that he will manage to incite some group (perhaps from one of those countries where hundreds of thousands of men, women and babies are being killed due to events B*sh set into motion) to set off a nuclear weapon in this country long before I have a heart attack.



Agreed. Even Conservatives realize that we are much less safe today because of what Bush and the Republicans have done.

Pat Robertson is playing into that with his prediction of a nuclear attack on America sometime this year.

Of course, if it does happen, Republicans will try to blame it all on the Democrats.

I feel confident that he will manage to incite some group (perhaps from one of those countries where hundreds of thousands of men, women and babies are being killed due to events B*sh set into motion) to set off a nuclear weapon in this country long before I have a heart attack.
FT, go out and eat a bunch of steak everyday for months, with no exercise. Me and trav and split the winnings quickly. Before I get out of high school, I'll be rich. Marvelous.

Don't people, ever get tired of mocking FreeThinker?

::Sigh:: I guess not. I think the guy takes more potshots than anyone on here and graciously (for the most part) I might add.

He writes well, has an acerbic wit and actually makes me think...oh, and occasionally, I find myself fully in agreement with him.

He (FT) writes well, has an acerbic wit and actually makes me think...oh, and occasionally, I find myself fully in agreement with him.
He's a very bright man, Sal.

I just despise his politics. FT and I have an unspoken understanding of one another. I call him names, and vice versa, but amidst all the bashing that goes on here, I think most people genuinely like (or at a minimum, at least respect) each other on Allforums.

Well, maybe not Dharma and I, but that's another story entirely....

You know, it is just BS articles like that that make it seem like an "american issue" well if your going to really sell this global warming BS then one also needs to think about the other countries around the world and hold them to our standard. Are we going to tell China and India who are burning far more fossil fuels than we are that "they need to stop"?

I thought not.

You know, it is just BS articles like that that make it seem like an "american issue" well if your going to really sell this global warming BS then one also needs to think about the other countries around the world and hold them to our standard. Are we going to tell China and India who are burning far more fossil fuels than we are that "they need to stop"?

I thought not.

China and India have more people than we do. While I believe they burn more fossil fuels total, I don't believe they burn more per capita, especially because the vast majority of the Chinese and probably the Indians are poor, and probably don't have big gas guzzling SUVs or gigantic air conditioned houses.

If I'm wrong, well by all means find some statistics to prove me wrong.

China and India have more people than we do. While I believe they burn more fossil fuels total, I don't believe they burn more per capita, especially because the vast majority of the Chinese and probably the Indians are poor, and probably don't have big gas guzzling SUVs or gigantic air conditioned houses.

If I'm wrong, well by all means find some statistics to prove me wrong.
No need to go searching for statistics, you're right, they do burn less per capita. I'm not sure who burns more though, it may be us and not China.

I feel confident that he will manage to incite some group (perhaps from one of those countries where hundreds of thousands of men, women and babies are being killed due to events B*sh set into motion) to set off a nuclear weapon in this country long before I have a heart attack.


I will take those odds

I have no idea what *odds* you're talking about.

No one that I know of has mentioned giving 'odds'.

You know, it is just BS articles like that that make it seem like an "american issue" well if your going to really sell this global warming BS then one also needs to think about the other countries around the world.........

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

3200 scientists and researchers, with nothing more than a few decades of scientific data backing them up, saying that global warming is occuring is rendered "bullshit" because you proclaim it is "BS".

Good one. You really scored a decisive point there.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

3200 scientists and researchers, with nothing more than a few decades of scientific data backing them up, saying that global warming is occuring is rendered "bullshit" because you proclaim it is "BS".

Good one. You really scored a decisive point there.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You should hold yourself and others to the same standards

You should hold yourself and others to the same standards

You should stop trying to defend the statements of --"Aww-thet-global-warming-stuff-is-all-a-buncha-bullshit"-- imbeciles.

I use the term "camel jockey" to describe Ahmadinejad like I would "nigger" to describe a scumbag like Farrakhan. I don't think of your average Muslim as a "camel jockey", just like I don't think of your average black person as a "nigger". My point is simple - I hate religious zealots with a blinding passion, so to make a long story short, I target Muslims for being the extreme doctrinaires they have a tendency to be. As a matter of fact, to quote Ben Stiller from Dodge ball, "in so facto" I'll cast aspersions their direction because they deserve it.

Regardless if you don't see the average Muslim as a "camel jockey" or average black person as a "nigger", it offends either way. You offend average Muslims by calling rhe president of Iran a "camel jockey" and you offend blacks when you call the head of the Nation of Islam a "nigger." Even if they are deserving of the insults, it's offensive to people of that group. In all honesty though, if I knew you were joking, I would not have taken offense to that as much as I did. I've been called worse by friends and it doesn't bother me a bit. I work in a mall, and I do it all the time with employees and other people who work in the mall. In order to break down stereotypes and racial prejudices, I think we need to joke about it a little more.



It was a joke, and hey, Googs...

You're getting better at being able to tell. :) You know, there might just be hope for you yet, son.

Lol..Come on, I'm not that bad.

Come on, I'm not that bad.
To be completely honest, I never thought you were. :)

Actually, you seem like a really nice kid.

Unfortunately, that makes it difficult for me to pick on you, so I'll dispense with the pleasantries.....

Camel Jockey. :D

You should stop trying to defend the statements of --"Aww-thet-global-warming-stuff-is-all-a-buncha-bullshit"-- imbeciles.

Actually, the people i quoted are definitely much smarter than you are.. so while you label them with fake quotes in italics to be dumb just because you merely disagree with what they say, I guess I will have to tell a 54 year old to "grow up"...

Originally Posted by Freethinker
You should stop trying to defend the statements of --"Aww-thet-global-warming-stuff-is-all-a-buncha-bullshit"-- imbeciles.

.......just because you merely disagree with what they say......., ..

It is not because I disagree with them, it is because 3200 of the world's leading scientists disagree with them.

Define "world's leading scientists"...

so the people who i quoted are numbers 3201 and 3202?

Where can i see this "rankings list"?

Where can i see this "rankings list"?

I tried to find it once but I was unable. I'm curious myself.

so the people who i quoted are numbers 3201 and 3202?

That's an odd way of looking at it. I am not assigning individual numbers to all the world's scientists. If you want to though, go for it.

Where can i see this "rankings list"?

:rolleyes:

I was not implying there was a "ranking" list. But you knew that.

I'm awfully sorry that you were offended by the term "world's leading scientists".

I will amend it to say --"including some of the leading researchers and scientists in the fields of climatology and meteorology".

side note;

I was -obviously- talking abut the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.........and I stated an incorrect number.

It was not 3200, but merely 2,000 scientists.

I have read about this panel from many different sources, which name their findings--- "the consensus of the world's leading 2,000 climatologists"

Where can i see this "rankings list"?

OK, I didn't read this correctly.

What I tried to find unsuccessfully was a list of the members of the Union of Concerned Scientists.