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Discussion with Leo Laporte, Steve Gibson and Peter Gutmann about his paper "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection."
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt


I have suspected they were doing this for years the scumbags!!

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
http://www.againsttcpa.com

VISTA -- NOTHING BUT PURE GARBAGE!

VISTA -- NOTHING BUT PURE GARBAGE!
Funny thing is, that you'll likely be buying Vista one day.

Funny thing is, that you'll likely be buying Vista one day.
I never will!

God loves Macs the best. :D

I never will!

God loves Macs the best. :D
Linux for the win.

Funny thing is, that you'll likely be buying Vista one day.I surely hope not my friend!!

Up to Win2000 SP3 its Wide Open and unrestrictive.....

I dont do anything like whats addressed in my Opening post anyway,i just dont like all the control they try and have over YOUR COMPUTER.....

I used Vista for a while, it's incompatible with XP so we'll all either switch over to it eventually or we'll be stuck with an outdated peice of junk. I was happy with some changes, unhappy with others. In the end I switched back to XP and I plan on staying with that until there are some core hacks to Vista that fix it's problems. I'm also disapointed with DX10. There's no reason why it shouldn't be compatible with XP and Microsoft are just being cruel and dirty fuckers. Incredibly annoying since they fell back away from promises with Vista and for a while now they've been a relatively unobtrusive and less than dirty company.

Never buy the first edition of any Microsoft product.
They tend to outsource a lot of their beta testing to the public.

Never buy the first edition of any Microsoft product.
They tend to outsource a lot of their beta testing to the public.Never buy the first version of any product.

Vista is hyper expensive and they are doing strange things with the software. There's a home version for the know nothings, there's a media version that's supposed to keep the gamers happy, there's an enterprise version that only for sale to corporations and then there's an "ultimate" version that has all the software and the features of all the previous versions, for about $400. :rolleyes:

Linux for the win.

That ain't no exageration. For those sick and tired of Operating Systems that crash, are expensive or come loaded with wonky Digital Rights Management schemes, it's going to be Linux. I'm predicting that there are going to be a lot of people who are going to get sick and tired really quick when Microsoft decides it's either Vista or the highway. People who don't like the product of Bill Gates, but disdain the alternative of even more propietary mac, are going to go Linux.

There's a new version of Linux called Ubuntu, that's the easiest to use yet. It's stable, powerful, has readily available software for web surfing, sending e-mail, cropping photos, viewing movies and a host of other things. The clincher is that all this is free! Free, supported, getting popular the world over. Linux will be a force to be reckoned with, dammit.

vista ? but.. at least need to wait till direct x version 10 out first ?
else i scare the board we all having now could not support vista soon..
sigh..
mine now already kenot support
haha

Never buy the first version of any product.
word!

That ain't no exageration. For those sick and tired of Operating Systems that crash, are expensive or come loaded with wonky Digital Rights Management schemes, it's going to be Linux.
in the 2 years i've had this laptop, i've had to restore it once...and i don't ever recall it crashing...but then i fly it straight and level, keep plenty of free space on the HD, and have double layered virus protection.

XP works for me!

I never will!

God loves Macs the best. :D
it's not that God loves Macs, it's that the Devil don't care.

it's kinda like duck hunting (forgive me Sal), you shoot at the big flock of ducks, not the one flying solo.

in the 2 years i've had this laptop, i've had to restore it once...and i don't ever recall it crashing...but then i fly it straight and level, keep plenty of free space on the HD, and have double layered virus protection.

XP works for me!

Do NOT underestimate my prowess with XP. Keep in my that I BUILT the computer I'm now using, and believe me, I knew EXACTLY what I was doing. I got an Intel Core 2 duo running at 2.4 gig, 2 gigs of RAM, a smoking BFG video card, phase change cooling, a very solid Antec NEO power supply and two hard drives. One 80 gig for the OS and core software and a spare 250 gig hard drive for all the pics, music, movies and articles I care to throw at it. In addition, my DSL is ran through a router first then into my system, I've got a firewall, anti virus and system suite powered by V-Com, which is very good at keeping a computer in tip top shape, I've got Crap Cleaner to get rid of internet detritus, Lava Soft Ad Aware and Spybot search and destroy to keep my rig spyware free, Media Monkey for the music and Nero to handle my movie and disc burning jobs and a host of other software for wallpaper, recording broadcasts, taking sound bites, storing passwords, dealing with Winzip files and a host of other duties, dammit. My rig is fast and doesn't crash, but it has happened to me in the past.

My beef is with Vista. It's expensive, sucks up computer resources and will come laden with DRM schemes. Why should I have to A) buy a hobbled version of an OS or B) spend an outrageous amount of money to get the "ultimate version" of said OS when I can, with a bit of work and know how get an OS that is just as good and can be equipped with all the goodies the best of Vista will have for free? This is why I stated what I did about Linux. The whole of Europe and South America is going Linux, it's out of the gate secure, it's gotten easier to use and it can be buffed and shined with all the goodies Vista will have without the cost and having to have Microsoft know that I bought their software.

Right now, my old computer has been fitted with Ubuntu. For my new computer, I'll do the wait thing, thank you very much. IF I get good with Ubuntu and like it and IF Microsoft decides to no longer support XP I'll go with Linux, dammit.

Do NOT underestimate my prowess with XP. Keep in my that I BUILT the computer I'm now using, and believe me, I knew EXACTLY what I was doing. I got an Intel Core 2 duo running at 2.4 gig, 2 gigs of RAM, a smoking BFG video card, phase change cooling, a very solid Antec NEO power supply and two hard drives. One 80 gig for the OS and core software and a spare 250 gig hard drive for all the pics, music, movies and articles I care to throw at it. In addition, my DSL is ran through a router first then into my system, I've got a firewall, anti virus and system suite powered by V-Com, which is very good at keeping a computer in tip top shape, I've got Crap Cleaner to get rid of internet detritus, Lava Soft Ad Aware and Spybot search and destroy to keep my rig spyware free, Media Monkey for the music and Nero to handle my movie and disc burning jobs and a host of other software for wallpaper, recording broadcasts, taking sound bites, storing passwords, dealing with Winzip files and a host of other duties, dammit. My rig is fast and doesn't crash, but it has happened to me in the past.

My beef is with Vista. It's expensive, sucks up computer resources and will come laden with DRM schemes. Why should I have to A) buy a hobbled version of an OS or B) spend an outrageous amount of money to get the "ultimate version" of said OS when I can, with a bit of work and know how get an OS that is just as good and can be equipped with all the goodies the best of Vista will have for free? This is why I stated what I did about Linux. The whole of Europe and South America is going Linux, it's out of the gate secure, it's gotten easier to use and it can be buffed and shined with all the goodies Vista will have without the cost and having to have Microsoft know that I bought their software.

Right now, my old computer has been fitted with Ubuntu. For my new computer, I'll do the wait thing, thank you very much. IF I get good with Ubuntu and like it and IF Microsoft decides to no longer support XP I'll go with Linux, dammit.
by the time MS gives up on XP, i will have sprung for a new laptop...the only thing this has ever had done to it is an added 1g of ram and went in for warranty work when the power cord connection pooped out last winter when i was confined to bed rest (it might have been abuse, but they never asked). it works fine for what i use it for, and i see no reason to get out a screw driver to tweak it when a replacement would cost less than parts.

to each their own.

by the time MS gives up on XP, i will have sprung for a new laptop...the only thing this has ever had done to it is an added 1g of ram and went in for warranty work when the power cord connection pooped out last winter when i was confined to bed rest (it might have been abuse, but they never asked). it works fine for what i use it for, and i see no reason to get out a screw driver to tweak it when a replacement would cost less than parts.

to each their own.
Why the hell would you need a screwdriver to try Ubuntu?

Why the hell would you need a screwdriver to try Ubuntu?
noooooo...to upgrade my hardware.

noooooo...to upgrade my hardware.
Why would you need to upgrade your hardware to try Ubuntu? This is a discussion about the merits of Windows and Ubuntu, not about hardware upgrades.

Why would you need to upgrade your hardware to try Ubuntu? This is a discussion about the merits of Windows and Ubuntu, not about hardware upgrades.
sorry, we drifted...imagine that:D

what I was rambling on about was XP works fine for me, no need to upgrade to Vista until this laptop needs to be replaced...and any more hardware upgrades wouldn't be cost effective.

what I was rambling on about was XP works fine for me, no need to upgrade to Vista until this laptop needs to be replaced...and any more hardware upgrades wouldn't be cost effective.
Ah. More to the point, why would anyone ever need to upgrade to Vista?

Ah. More to the point, why would anyone ever need to upgrade to Vista?
the same reason for short-term car leasing, to have the newest thing possible.

the same reason for short-term car leasing, to have the newest thing possible.
True enough. Leasing a car is such a dumb idea; you spend all that money, and you end up with nothing to show for it in the end.

True enough. Leasing a car is such a dumb idea; you spend all that money, and you end up with nothing to show for it in the end.
it depends on how you use it-if you drive a lot, you end up spending more than if you had bought it, but if you don't drive more than the allowance, and want a new car every before you'd normally pay one off, leasing might be for you!

not only did i drift again, i'm starting to sound like a car salesman:@@:

Ah. More to the point, why would anyone ever WANT to upgrade to Vista?Good question........

Vista's legal fine print includes extensive provisions granting Microsoft the right to regularly check the legitimacy of the software and holds the prospect of deleting certain programs without the user's knowledge. During the installation process, users "activate" Vista by associating it with a particular computer or device and transmitting certain hardware information directly to Microsoft. [more]http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/175801

What nerve they have!!!

Would it be possible making EVERY FILE "READ ONLY" so it cannot be deleted??

Just loaded Fedora Core 6 and it cranks ...

I've been working with a software developer in Huntintgon Beach for the past year and we've been porting some XP, UNIX, Linux stuff to Vista for the core development of the language models and I've learned this much about Vista ...

I think I'll stick with Linux.

I'm considering switching to Linux.

I'm considering switching to Linux.
I like Mac OSX... Then again, I'm not a computer person. I like my computers stress-free.

I like Mac OSX... Then again, I'm not a computer person. I like my computers stress-free.
My dad has a Mac desktop and Mac laptop, but I'm too cheap to buy one.

My dad has a Mac desktop and Mac laptop, but I'm too cheap to buy one.
Ah, see, my parents bought this for me as a present for starting college. :D

I'm considering switching to Linux.

If you've got an old computer kicking about the house, you've got a potential Linux platform. I'd do that FIRST before making the big plunge.

Linux has got strange ways of doing things. I've been messing with it (Ubuntu Linux) all day and most of the night now. I've got the basic stuff to work, I can go on the internet and stuff like that, but there's still so much more work to be done, dammit.

IF you do go with Linux, go with Ubuntu, from what I've read it's the easiest most supported distro out there.

Just loaded Fedora Core 6 and it cranks ...

God damn, I hope one of these days I'll be about to say that about MY linux machines, dammit.

If you've got an old computer kicking about the house, you've got a potential Linux platform. I'd do that FIRST before making the big plunge.

Linux has got strange ways of doing things. I've been messing with it (Ubuntu Linux) all day and most of the night now. I've got the basic stuff to work, I can go on the internet and stuff like that, but there's still so much more work to be done, dammit.

IF you do go with Linux, go with Ubuntu, from what I've read it's the easiest most supported distro out there.



God damn, I hope one of these days I'll be about to say that about MY linux machines, dammit.

Red Hat Enterprise is the de facto king of distributions for serious Linux houses ... companies, web hosting, email, mission-critical ... whatever. Fedora Core is a spin-off of that release that is free for home, small biz and small server use.

If you load Fedora Core, you shouldn't be messing with much at all to get it running. Your internet will be working automatically, your cd/dvd burner/ripper, your movie stuff, your games, all the office software (excel and word fer example), your mysql database engine will be one command line away from starting, so will your apache web server, your PHP and Python, Perl, C/C++ all ready to simply fire-up and use .... and on and on.

i'm still getting use to xp

I saw this up on Apple"s website about Vista.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/living/16555680.htm

Thought it was quite amusing. But then, I'm a mac user.

Apple to PC users: (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/16610585.htm) If you want iTunes to work, wait to get Vista

I never tried using Vista but I heard good stories about this software. I'm only using XP I'm thinking of shifting to Vista soon :-)

Dont do it mayte!!

You might have all kinds of errors like this guy did!!

http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=24496

I never tried using Vista but I heard good stories about this software. I'm only using XP I'm thinking of shifting to Vista soon :-)
Good stories? About Vista? Hell no...try it in a year, maybe.

I hear that if you find the secret combination code in Microsoft Excel on Vista, you can launch nuclear missles...

I never tried using Vista but I heard good stories about this software. I'm only using XP I'm thinking of shifting to Vista soon :-)
LoL, good things about Vista. Do yourself a favor and don't switch.