Human species 'may split in two'

Humanity may split into an elite and an underclass, says Dr Curry

Humanity may split into two sub-species in 100,000 years' time as predicted by HG Wells, an expert has said.
Evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry of the London School of Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass to emerge.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5537/42207552evolution4ga5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The human race would peak in the year 3000, he said - before a decline due to dependence on technology.

People would become choosier about their sexual partners, causing humanity to divide into sub-species, he added.

The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and a far cry from the "underclass" humans who would have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures.

Race 'ironed out'

But in the nearer future, humans will evolve in 1,000 years into giants between 6ft and 7ft tall, he predicts, while life-spans will have extended to 120 years, Dr Curry claims.

Physical appearance, driven by indicators of health, youth and fertility, will improve, he says, while men will exhibit symmetrical facial features, look athletic, and have squarer jaws, deeper voices and bigger penises.

Women, on the other hand, will develop lighter, smooth, hairless skin, large clear eyes, pert breasts, glossy hair, and even features, he adds. Racial differences will be ironed out by interbreeding, producing a uniform race of coffee-coloured people.

However, Dr Curry warns, in 10,000 years time humans may have paid a genetic price for relying on technology.

Spoiled by gadgets designed to meet their every need, they could come to resemble domesticated animals.

Receding chins

Social skills, such as communicating and interacting with others, could be lost, along with emotions such as love, sympathy, trust and respect. People would become less able to care for others, or perform in teams.

Physically, they would start to appear more juvenile. Chins would recede, as a result of having to chew less on processed food.

There could also be health problems caused by reliance on medicine, resulting in weak immune systems. Preventing deaths would also help to preserve the genetic defects that cause cancer.

Further into the future, sexual selection - being choosy about one's partner - was likely to create more and more genetic inequality, said Dr Curry.

The logical outcome would be two sub-species, "gracile" and "robust" humans similar to the Eloi and Morlocks foretold by HG Wells in his 1895 novel The Time Machine.

"While science and technology have the potential to create an ideal habitat for humanity over the next millennium, there is a possibility of a monumental genetic hangover over the subsequent millennia due to an over-reliance on technology reducing our natural capacity to resist disease, or our evolved ability to get along with each other, said Dr Curry.

He carried out the report for men's satellite TV channel Bravo.



link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6057734.stm
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A fascinating evolutionary projection!

and a far cry from the "underclass" humans who would have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures.
That's awesome. My descendents will rule over armies of goblins.

He carried out the report for men's satellite TV channel Bravo.



isn't Bravo the channel that gave the world "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"?

the BBC obviously has a looser standard for what is a "men's channel".:banana:

That's awesome. My descendents will rule over armies of goblins.
or your descendants will be food for an army of goblins.

That's awesome. My descendents will rule over armies of goblins.


Your descendents will BE armies of goblins.:bike:

Wow... That's pretty interesting.

It is, but I find it unlikely that humanity will be alive to experience life a hundred millenia away here on Earth, anyway.

I'm going to start breeding my own personal goblins right away!

I bet some already think that the "tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative" will be the whites, and the "underclass" all others...

Didn't it say that distinct races would be eliminated by interracial breeding? That's good, because I already think that mixed people are very beautiful, especially those of more than 2 races. An Asian/white/black/Hispanic mix would be really attractive.

Didn't it say that distinct races would be eliminated by interracial breeding? That's good, because I already think that mixed people are very beautiful, especially those of more than 2 races. An Asian/white/black/Hispanic mix would be really attractive.
Hispanic is as much of a race as the Irish or Germans. it's an ethinic group.

Whatever. They look different, and they tend to be very good looking.

Also, South and Central American Hispanics have much more Native American blood than whites in North America, which makes them look even more different.

men will exhibit symmetrical facial features, look athletic, and have squarer jaws, deeper voices and bigger penises.

Ah crap. Looks like I got weeded out of the gene pool. :(

Whatever. They look different, and they tend to be very good looking.

Also, South and Central American Hispanics have much more Native American blood than whites in North America, which makes them look even more different.
i'd say that was hit-or-miss

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20070110/i/r2500845859.jpg

i'd say that was hit-or-miss

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20070110/i/r2500845859.jpg

Well sure, 100% of people in every race aren't going to look good. Anyways, that guy's gonna be one of the ones that gets weeded out of the gene pool. ;)

Evo Morales or Erik Estrada?:corn:

http://www.pocho.com/news/2002/judgeestrada/erik_estrada.jpg

Pretty cute... Although I've found that while most Hispanic males are of about average attractiveness, the women can be very beautiful.

Unfortunately, due to years of living in sunny climates, the most handsome latin men have bad eyesight.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/queun/_38248007_banderas3001.jpg

HAHAHA! Oh god Antonio Banderas... Now that is a hot, hot man. Too bad he's married to that melty wax figure.

::drools:: Oh Antonio, I love you...

::drools:: Oh Antonio, I love you...
::cough::

::drools:: Oh Antonio, I love you...
Ditto.
did I say that out loud?

Ditto.
did I say that out loud?

HAHA OH GOD THAT WAS FUNNY

:lolhit:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/kultur/0204/08/KULTUR-08s04-noriega-25.jpg


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I think humanity will divide much much much earlier than 100,000 years from now, just due to technology. Think about it. I give it a couple hundred years at most.

its already happening.. i go to preppy, rich, spoiled communities and all the high school girls are super hot because their mom was smoking and went and chased the money with some stiff...

I think evolution can only happen if a species has a survival disadvantage so profound that they die before they can reproduce (Borg can iron out the details on this).

That's why certain evolutionary urban myths (such as losing our appendix or little toes) will never really happen.

I think evolution can only happen if a species has a survival disadvantage so profound that they die before they can reproduce (Borg can iron out the details on this).

That's why certain evolutionary urban myths (such as losing our appendix or little toes) will never really happen.

Well except if we go nuclear. That could maybe cover your scenario. Fall out would leave many survivors sterile. Also those whose bodies are physically capable (and there would be pockets of such people) would automatically be physically superior.

Didn't it say that distinct races would be eliminated by interracial breeding? That's good, because I already think that mixed people are very beautiful, especially those of more than 2 races. An Asian/white/black/Hispanic mix would be really attractive.

I too agree :cool:

Hispanic is as much of a race as the Irish or Germans. it's an ethinic group.

There are three GROUPS of races White, Yellow and Black, from these we have the sub-groups in each one. But then we have all the mixes that have taken place through all history, and so there is no pure race, at the most groups of people tend to have more of one race than of another.

And yes you're right "hispanic" is not a race... It just one of these wierd concepts that only some people in the US have in their minds.

There are three GROUPS of races White, Yellow and Black, from these we have the sub-groups in each one. But then we have all the mixes that have taken place through all history, and so there is no pure race, at the most groups of people tend to have more of one race than of another.

And yes you're right "Hispanic" is not a race... It just one of these weird concepts that only some people in the US have in their minds.
according to our census, "Hispanic" depends on having a Spanish surname...then it gets divided into non-black and non-white.

i've thought about becoming Hispanic, but my last name gives ppl enough trouble.

Okay, so Hispanics are an ethnic group. They look different from white people and black people and Asian people. I don't see what's such a big deal about calling them a race.

Edit: Isn't it still racism when someone discriminates against Hispanics? They don't call it "ethnic group-ism".

and Italians look different than Swedes.

Well, OK. I'll call them an ethnic group from now on. My whole point revolved around the fact that Hispanics aren't white or black. I guess Middle Eastern is an ethnic group too, and they look different too. So I say that Hispanics look different, and suddenly everyone jumps on me because they're an "ethnic group", not a "race". Big deal.

Edit: Isn't it still racism when someone discriminates against Hispanics? They don't call it "ethnic group-ism".
that comes down to if they're a mestizo Hispanic and if it's because they're Hispanic, or if because they're a shiftless lowlife who happens to be Hispanic?


how is a Mexican that is 1/4 Indian and 3/4 Spanish should be treated different that the guy next door that's 1/4 Cherokee?

Well, OK. I'll call them an ethnic group from now on. My whole point revolved around the fact that Hispanics aren't white or black. I guess Middle Eastern is an ethnic group too, and they look different too. So I say that Hispanics look different, and suddenly everyone jumps on me because they're an "ethnic group", not a "race". Big deal.
you ain't seen nothing yet-if any one doing a crossword puzzle asks you for a 7 letter word that means "mixed"-Don't answer it! it's a trap!

that comes down to if they're a mestizo Hispanic and if it's because they're Hispanic, or if because they're a shiftless lowlife who happens to be Hispanic?


how is a Mexican that is 1/4 Indian and 3/4 Spanish should be treated different that the guy next door that's 1/4 Cherokee?

I didn't say that anyone should be treated different than anyone else. Also, I'm pretty sure that when someone says something like "Those fucking lazy mexicans everywhere.", they aren't taking into account whether the Mexicans (or other Central and South Americans who are referred to as Mexicans by most people in the U.S.) are mestizos or not.

I didn't say that anyone should be treated different than anyone else. Also, I'm pretty sure that when someone says something like "Those fucking lazy mexicans everywhere.", they aren't taking into account whether the Mexicans (or other Central and South Americans who are referred to as Mexicans by most people in the U.S.) are mestizos or not.
that's the same crowd that throws out "scheming jews", "thieving negroes", and "drunk Irish". i don't really hold it against them, i just pity them.

Actually... drunk Irish isn't all that inaccurate. ;)

being of irish and german decent, i take great offense at that remark!


i haven't had a drink since breakfast:lolhit:

Lol!

that's the same crowd that throws out ... " "drunk Irish".... i don't really hold it against them, i just pity them.

Ever had to contend with a drunken Irishman? You'd throw him out too! Let him sleep it off on the picnic table on the patio.

Ever had to contend with a drunken Irishman? You'd throw him out too! Let him sleep it off on the picnic table on the patio.
This drunken Irishman always preferred to "sleep it off" in a strange woman's bed.

And yes you're right "hispanic" is not a race... It just one of these wierd concepts that only some people in the US have in their minds.

So you're saying that there are no Hispanics? That "some people in the US" made up an ethnic group? I find that hard to believe.

Oh and Prae, haha! I can say that's sometimes true for the drunken Irishwoman too! :D

Oh and Prae, haha! I can say that's sometimes true for the drunken Irishwoman too! :D
Mayday, mayday, Borg........I think we have a problem. :)

Oh hush Prae. Since when is that a problem?

according to our census, "Hispanic" depends on having a Spanish surname...then it gets divided into non-black and non-white.

NO, I've seen many people with Italian, Portuguese, German, English, French, Japanese, Chinese, etc. etc. surnames, and all of them speak Spanish... How about them, and they are not exactly a small percentage... Then, you have among them all colors of skin, from the whitest of the white to the blackest of the black, passing through a good percentage of browns...

As I said 'Hispanic" is not a race, and that criteria that "our Census" have is just plain wrong.

You didn't answer my last post to you Liberal. I'm very curious.

So you're saying that there are no Hispanics? That "some people in the US" made up an ethnic group? I find that hard to believe.

I believe they have used the "language" they speak or spoke to categorize them as a race... So I could also say that a black that speaks English should be considered "White". That is the whole idea behind calling "Hispanic" a race.

Does it make any sense? .............. NO!

So you're saying that there are no Hispanics? That "some people in the US" made up an ethnic group? I find that hard to believe.

Adding to my answer, do you realize that the word "Hispanic" comes from Hispania or Spain, therefore it refers to the language from Spain. Since when does a language is considered a race?

We already agreed that Hispanic is an ethnic group, not a race, so I don't see who you're trying to argue with about that.

You said that Hispanics are "a weird concept that only some people in the US have in their minds". I took that to mean that you think Hispanics are not a different ethnic group, and that people only imagine them to be.

We already agreed that Hispanic is an ethnic group, not a race, so I don't see who you're trying to argue with about that.
You said that Hispanics are "a weird concept that only some people in the US have in their minds". I took that to mean that you think Hispanics are not a different ethnic group, and that people only imagine them to be.

I didn't, because it can't be an ethnic group either, when you have among them people that comes from all over the globe. Are Jennifer Lopez and Cameron Diaz considered both "Hispanics"? I think that they have to be categorized individually, and not as a group. Each one of them must fall into the proper "sack", just as all others are (whites, blacks, asians, etc).

You will find, from Mexico all the way down to Argentina and Chile, over 500 million people, how can such a number be considered an ethnic group. And around 40 million people from these countries live in the USA. Now if one says that there are so many Kurds living in the USA, then I would agree they are an ethnic group (very low number of them).

Are those from USA considered an ethnic group when they live in Europe?

And there are no LATINOS either!

Note: You will find lots of "mestizos" in the USA (those that came from Europe and mixed with the locals) that look white.

So what are you saying? That all Hispanics should be considered white, or black, or Native American?

So what are you saying? That all Hispanics should be considered White, or Black, or Native American?
Yes, that is exactly what I mean, some are White, others are Black, or Asians, or Native Americans, and then those of mixed ancestry either "Mestizos" or "Browns" (for lack of a proper word).

Haha, yeah, go up to a Mexican guy in a big group of 'em and call him a "mestizo", or a "brown"... And let's see how fast you can run.

An Asian/white/black/Hispanic mix would be really attractive.
Judges????

Bzzzzt.

http://tiger-woods-news.newslib.com/img/logo/677.jpg

Hah... Well I didn't say 100% of them would be attractive. And Tiger Woods isn't Hispanic at all is he? I thought he was just black, white and Asian.

Oh and another note: I think that among Asians and Hispanics (or maybe I should call them "browns" now...), the men aren't nearly as attractive as the women.

Haha, yeah, go up to a Mexican guy in a big group of 'em and call him a "mestizo", or a "brown"... And let's see how fast you can run.

I've seen legal documents, such as National IDs (the kind of ID most guys are so scared of having in the USA), and birth certificates stating in the line for race classified as "mestizo" when they are and look mestizo. Though in the USA this word has taken sort of the same meaning as "nigger". Bear in mind that in the USA the color of the skin is a "BIG DEAL", it isn't in other places.

Anyway, I just think it is a generalization to call all the people who speak or spoke Spanish a "Hispanic". So again, you wouldn't call all those that speak English or have an English surname, "Whites".

An Asian/white/black/Hispanic mix would be really attractive.

I don't know about attractive, but they are for sure a stronger group of people when it comes to diseases, how often do you take to see the Vet your full blooded German Shepperd or Poodle, and how often do you take your junk yard dog to the same place? And I am not calling people dogs... But mixing makes a race or a breed stronger.

I've seen legal documents, such as National IDs (the kind of ID most guys are so scared of having in the USA), and birth certificates stating in the line for race classified as "mestizo" when they are and look mestizo. Though in the USA this word has taken sort of the same meaning as "nigger". Bear in mind that in the USA the color of the skin is a "BIG DEAL", it isn't in other places.

Anyway, I just think it is a generalization to call all the people who speak or spoke Spanish a "Hispanic". So again, you wouldn't call all those that speak English or have an English surname, "Whites".


Hmm well I guess it depends on the country as far as the word mestizo goes. I lived in Costa Rica, and calling a Costa Rican a mestizo is like calling a Mexican who lives in the US a wetback. And yes, it's a generalization to call them Hispanic. But do you describe your friends with Scottish ancestors as "Scottish", for example? No, you'd call them white. Would you call your friend whose parents came from Mexico white? Even if they had no Native American blood, and therefore couldn't be described as mestizo, I bet you wouldn't call them white. And as for "brown", well I guess it makes sense when you think about "black" and "white", but I don't know about that one catching on. Do you think we should call Asian people "yellow"?

I don't know about attractive, but they are for sure a stronger group of people when it comes to diseases, how often do you take to see the Vet your full blooded German Shepperd or Poodle, and how often do you take your junk yard dog to the same place? And I am not calling people dogs... But mixing makes a race or a breed stronger.

Good point.

... junk yard dog to the same place? And I am not calling people dogs... But mixing makes a race or a breed stronger.


Mentioning a cross-bred dog brought this word to mind. I guess that's why the name has such a pleasant definition:

mongrel

noun1. derogatory term for a variation that is not genuine; something irregular or inferior or of dubious origin; "the architecture was a kind of bastard suggesting Gothic but not true Gothic" [syn: bastard]2. an inferior dog or one of mixed breed [syn: cur]


Also on this page are (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mongrel) offerings from various languages. While a few (French, Icelandic, Italian and Norwegian) include the word bastard, the Spanish is mestizo.

Hmm well I guess it depends on the country as far as the word mestizo goes. I lived in Costa Rica, and calling a Costa Rican a mestizo is like calling a Mexican who lives in the US a wetback. And yes, it's a generalization to call them Hispanic. But do you describe your friends with Scottish ancestors as "Scottish", for example? No, you'd call them white. Would you call your friend whose parents came from Mexico white? Even if they had no Native American blood, and therefore couldn't be described as mestizo, I bet you wouldn't call them white. And as for "brown", well I guess it makes sense when you think about "black" and "white", but I don't know about that one catching on. Do you think we should call Asian people "yellow"?

You are right, many people don't like to be called "mestizos", but as a legal word in their documents it does happen. It is just a "legal" word of daily use, though I must reckon that no one uses it on a regular conversation, and no one calls someone else "mestizo" in a direct way.

There was a movie sometime in the 70's about people from Puerto Rico and Cuba in the USA, one of these characters played by Henry Darrow (he looks "Mestizo") and some White guy representing the Police in New York, played by Robert Duvall. Henry Darrow yells "Blacks And Browns" against the Town" (Being "the Town" the Whites oppressing them), and Robert Duvall shots him dead, but not before saying "You ungrateful bunch of ......, we even taught you English". Quite a racist movie indeed.

It was just the word "BROWNS" used in a movie that a lot of people get to see.

Mestizo means of mixed Spaniard and Indian descent, as you all probably know. In most South and Central American countries, mestizos are considered to be lower-class and inferior, although in many places, like Mexico, most of the population is technically mixed (and you can tell from looking at them). Although I suppose that in places like Costa Rica, which has an especially low concentration of Indian blood, mestizo is more of an insult.

You are right, many people don't like to be called "mestizos", but as a legal word in their documents it does happen. It is just a "legal" word of daily use, though I must reckon that no one uses it on a regular conversation, and no one calls someone else "mestizo" in a direct way.

There was a movie sometime in the 70's about people from Puerto Rico and Cuba in the USA, one of these characters played by Henry Darrow (he looks "Mestizo") and some White guy representing the Police in New York, played by Robert Duvall. Henry Darrow yells "Blacks And Browns" against the Town" (Being "the Town" the Whites oppressing them), and Robert Duvall shots him dead, but not before saying "You ungrateful bunch of ......, we even taught you English". Quite a racist movie indeed.

It was just the word "BROWNS" used in a movie that a lot of people get to see.

Yes, mestizo is used legally, but it's not a nice word. Latin Americans are much more preoccupied with race than North Americans, although you seem to believe the contrary, and they DO, in many countries, consider those who look to be of mestizo origin to be lower-class citizens.

Also, I had never heard the word "browns" used to describe Hispanics before, but it's not surprising that it has been used. If you're trying to pass off a line in a 70s movie as evidence that using "browns" in that context wouldn't be frowned upon, that's a bit of a stretch.

Some of the best Dogs I have ever had were mongrels.

Mentioning a cross-bred dog brought this word to mind. I guess that's why the name has such a pleasant definition:
mongrel
noun1. derogatory term for a variation that is not genuine; something irregular or inferior or of dubious origin; "the architecture was a kind of bastard suggesting Gothic but not true Gothic" [syn: bastard]2. an inferior dog or one of mixed breed [syn: cur]
Also on this page are (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mongrel) offerings from various languages. While a few (French, Icelandic, Italian and Norwegian) include the word bastard, the Spanish is mestizo.

And just who wrote that dictionary, a white guy?
Bastard in Spanish is "Bastardo", quite similar to the English spelling, not "Mestizo".

The meaning I have and seen for "Mestizo", is for someone born from European and Native American parents. Those born in America of European parents were called "Criollos" (meaning Whites, but not born in Europe). And it was more the "Criollos" who started the independence process of all the countries in America (including the USA) than the native Americans or the Mestizos. They (Criollos) wanted the same rights as those who were born in Europe. Actually the "Criollos" didn't care much for the "Mestizos" or "Native Americans", they just used them in their armies. As the British and the Criollos from USA did with the Native Americans.

That was not the definition for bastard, it was the definition for mongrel.

While the article was somewhat fascinating I find it hard to take anything of this sort seriously. Predictions about how things of all sorts would be like in 50 years from 50 years ago have 99.9% of the time been wrong. We are just not very good at prediction the future. One breakthrough in any field dramatically changes the perspective of a lot of things and any projections about the future not taking such a breakthrough into account had to be started all over again. It's easier to take what we already know and imagine it being extremely advanced, but the reality seems to be that technological breakthroughs often are such that few even imagined it.

In any case, I am not having kids. So goblins can run wild in the future for all I care.

Oh and another note: I think that among Asians and Hispanics (or maybe I should call them "browns" now...), the men aren't nearly as attractive as the women.
On that point, I fully agree. I like the way certain hispanic women look...

http://www.pound4pound.com/MiscPhotos/MostBeautiful/eva_mendez.jpg

As a matter of fact, I'd bone the shit outta that with zero remorse.

Yeah... Me too, Prae. Me too.

Yeah... Me too, Prae. Me too.
:D

And just who wrote that dictionary, a white guy?
Bastard in Spanish is "Bastardo", quite similar to the English spelling, not "Mestizo".

The meaning I have and seen for "Mestizo", is for someone born from European and Native American parents. Those born in America of European parents were called "Criollos" (meaning Whites, but not born in Europe). And it was more the "Criollos" who started the independence process of all the countries in America (including the USA) than the native Americans or the Mestizos. They (Criollos) wanted the same rights as those who were born in Europe. Actually the "Criollos" didn't care much for the "Mestizos" or "Native Americans", they just used them in their armies. As the British and the Criollos from USA did with the Native Americans.

You may want to attend that reading comprehension course once more. This time stay awake and pay attention. Ask questions if you need to.

Ever had to contend with a drunken Irishman? You'd throw him out too! Let him sleep it off on the picnic table on the patio.

Isn't that picnic table Irish. I think it is called Paddy O'Furniture.

So what are you saying? That all Hispanics should be considered white, or black, or Native American?

They should be considered Mexican, or Peruvian, or Argentinian or whatever.

People in Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, parts of Russia, parts of Denmark and parts of Poland and the Czech Republic. I think those not living in Germany would be quite upset if you classified them with the Germans because they spoke the same language.

The term Hispanic is a politically correct term used to insure special treatment to certain people based on the language they speak.

Isn't that picnic table Irish. I think it is called Paddy O'Furniture.
Ba doom, cheeee -

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Frogger --- that was terrible (hahahahahhahahhahahaha)

They should be considered Mexican, or Peruvian, or Argentinian or whatever.

People in Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, parts of Russia, parts of Denmark and parts of Poland and the Czech Republic. I think those not living in Germany would be quite upset if you classified them with the Germans because they spoke the same language.

The term Hispanic is a politically correct term used to insure special treatment to certain people based on the language they speak.

So a person whose ancestors came from, let's say, Ireland, Germany, England, and France, and whose family has been in the U.S. for generations is considered white, not "Irish-German-English". I'm pretty sure no one contests that. But a person whose ancestors came from Mexico, Spain, and Peru, and whose family has been in the U.S. just as long, should be considered "Mexican-Spaniard-Peruvian" and not Hispanic?

They should be considered Mexican, or Peruvian, or Argentinian or whatever.

People in Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, parts of Russia, parts of Denmark and parts of Poland and the Czech Republic. I think those not living in Germany would be quite upset if you classified them with the Germans because they spoke the same language.

The term Hispanic is a politically correct term used to insure special treatment to certain people based on the language they speak.
You're confusing nationality with ethnicity.

Thank you, Borg. I think that was what I was trying to get to in my roundabout post above.

I was not talking about those who are living in the United States. If they are citizens they should simply be called Americans. We should not hyphonize Americans. It only serves to seperate us.

Those who live in other countries should be called by the name for people who live in those countries, ie, Germans, Austrians, Peruvians, Dominicans, etc.

I was not talking about those who are living in the United States. If they are citizens they should simply be called Americans. We should not hyphonize Americans. It only serves to seperate us.

Those who live in other countries should be called by the name for people who live in those countries, ie, Germans, Austrians, Peruvians, Dominicans, etc.
Ultimately, I agree. Race is a silly and arbitrary concept.

I was not talking about those who are living in the United States. If they are citizens they should simply be called Americans. We should not hyphonize Americans. It only serves to seperate us.

Those who live in other countries should be called by the name for people who live in those countries, ie, Germans, Austrians, Peruvians, Dominicans, etc.

I bet you call black people black!

whatever the case, evolution never ceases ;)

I was not talking about those who are living in the United States. If they are citizens they should simply be called Americans. We should not hyphonize Americans. It only serves to seperate us.
BINGO! BINGO! BINGO!

Yet, not very many people understand that simple concept.

BINGO! BINGO! BINGO!

Yet, not very many people understand that simple concept.

Again, Prae, you call black people black. And you call Middle Eastern people Middle Eastern, even if they do live in the U.S.

Again, Prae, you call black people black. And you call Middle Eastern people Middle Eastern, even if they do live in the U.S.
Don't forget those "Mexican fucks!"

Again, Prae, you call black people black. And you call Middle Eastern people Middle Eastern, even if they do live in the U.S.

Really? I heard they were porch monkeys and camel jockeys.

Really? I heard they were porch monkeys and camel jockeys.
You heard correctly - LOL.

Again, Prae, you call black people black. And you call Middle Eastern people Middle Eastern, even if they do live in the U.S.
True to a degree.

If they were born and raised here (and loved this country), then I'd call them Americans, period. If I had to describe those same people to someone else, then I'd call them Americans *OF* African or Middle Eastern ancestry. In my opinion, hyphens aren't necessary unless they're first generation. As Frogger pointed out, when hyphens are used habitually, they're divisive.

If they were born and raised here (and loved this country), then I'd call them Americans, period.
One has to love the US to be an American?

One has to love the US to be an American?
I think so.

It doesn't mean that you have to love everything about it, but it does mean that you have to *care* enough to WANT healthy and REALISTIC change in the first place. Take Freethinker, for example. Do you really think he wants to "change" anything about the US (besides turning it into a different country, that is)? No. Not at all - he fucking loathes this country and everything it stands for, hence - he's NO American.

He (like most people nowadays) is here for the lifestyle it affords him, period.

If they are citizens they should simply be called Americans. We should not hyphonize Americans. It only serves to seperate us.

"North Americans", don't forget that there is more than one America.

"North Americans", don't forget that there is more than one America.
Yeah, Frogger - get your inane facts straight....

One can love a country like the USA, but not necessarily it's ruling class. Which BTW I despise.

True to a degree.

If they were born and raised here (and loved this country), then I'd call them Americans, period. If I had to describe those same people to someone else, then I'd call them Americans *OF* African or Middle Eastern ancestry. In my opinion, hyphens aren't necessary unless they're first generation. As Frogger pointed out, when hyphens are used habitually, they're divisive.

Okay, so you call your black friends "Americans of African ancestry"? That's a little long and complicated. So should we start calling Hispanics "Americans of Hispanic Ancestry"? How about "Latin Americans"? What's wrong with calling them Hispanic?!

I call my black friends by their names.

Bah... that's not what I meant.

Stop arguing over stupid details, I know you say the word "black" instead of "American of African ancestry." There's nothing wrong with that obviously.

No more than I call my Irish friends 'American of Irish ancestry' unless we're all pretty "well done". Interestingly enough, hispanics are almost universally referred to as 'illegals', 'beaners' or 'wetbacks'.

That's a bit racist... I call Hispanics Hispanics. I still don't see what's wrong with it.

Hispanic is offensive to some Latinos. Call them latinos.