Some Latinos don't want to be called Latinos by white people.

Who's offended by the word Hispanic?

Then lets call everybody by their languages.

Those who speak English..... English (whether blacks, or whites, or asians etc.).

Those who speak Spanish..... Hispanics or Spanish.

Those who speak Portuguese (Brazil)..... Portuguese's.

Those who speak French (in Canada).... French.

And once again, there are no Latinos or Latin America, the proper way to refer to them (whether they speak Spanish or Portuguese) is Ibero Americans.

As for those who speak English, Anglo Americans, and for the French language, Franco Americans.

I just wonder, how would it sound (or read) in the news:

"English Bush, sends more troops to Iraq".

Then lets call everybody by their languages.

Those who speak English..... English (whether blacks, or whites, or asians etc.).

Those who speak Spanish..... Hispanics or Spanish.

Those who speak Portuguese (Brazil)..... Portuguese's.

Those who speak French (in Canada).... French.

And once again, there are no Latinos or Latin America, the proper way to refer to them (whether they speak Spanish or Portuguese) is Ibero Americans.

As for those who speak English, Anglo Americans, and for the French language, Franco Americans.

I just wonder, how would it sound (or read) in the news:

"English Bush, sends more troops to Iraq".

Oh for Christ's sake. This from the person who advocated calling Hispanics "browns".

Ibero-Americans? They aren't from the Iberian peninsula if their ancestors have lived in South America for centuries. That's like calling me an Irish-American, or a French-American, or, accurately, an Irish-French-Swedish-Italian-American. That's kind of stupid.

Who's offended by the word Hispanic?
Most Mexicans I run into that hear the term. And I live in Texas.

IMO, if you have to count three or more nationalities to describe your lineage then you are just "American".

IMO, if you have to count three or more nationalities to describe your lineage then you are just "American".

Sounds logical to me. My nationality is American, my race is white.

Hispanics in this country, well their nationality is American too if they were born here. But their race is not American, since American is not a race.

Oh for Christ's sake. This from the person who advocated calling Hispanics "browns".
Ibero-Americans? They aren't from the Iberian peninsula if their ancestors have lived in South America for centuries. That's like calling me an Irish-American, or a French-American, or, accurately, an Irish-French-Swedish-Italian-American. That's kind of stupid.

No, not just for those south of the USA, but for all those who have their skin kinda "brown". We were talking about skin colors, or why do you think people are called "blacks", or "whites"?. Would make sense to call the others "browns".

And the last post is about languages, read the dictionary or any encyclopedia, and find "Ibero América".
Ibero America includes any country in this continent who speaks Spanish or Portuguese. As it does for Anglo America (US and Canada) and the English speaking people.

All of Ibero America still have all sort of ties to the countries in the Iberian Peninsula, not like those in USA and Britain whose only tie is "who are they going to bomb and rob together next".

Sounds logical to me. My nationality is American, my race is white.

And you're a proud Gyno-American!

No, not just for those south of the USA, but for all those who have their skin kinda "brown". We were talking about skin colors, or why do you think people are called "blacks", or "whites"?. Would make sense to call the others "browns".

And the last post is about languages, read the dictionary or any encyclopedia, and find "Ibero América".
Ibero America includes any country in this continent who speaks Spanish or Portuguese. As it does for Anglo America (US and Canada) and the English speaking people.

All of Ibero America still have all sort of ties to the countries in the Iberian Peninsula, not like those in USA and Britain whose only tie is "who are they going to bomb and rob together next".

I know calling them browns would make sense, but I just don't think anyone's going to go for that, but I STILL don't understand what's wrong with the word Hispanic, or Latino. If you advocate calling them Ibero-Americans because of where their ancestors are from, then what's wrong with calling them Hispanic because their ancestors came from Spain? (This doesn't include people in Brazil, obviously, because their ancestors came from Portugal.)

I know calling them browns would make sense, but I just don't think anyone's going to go for that, but I STILL don't understand what's wrong with the word Hispanic, or Latino. If you advocate calling them Ibero-Americans because of where their ancestors are from, then what's wrong with calling them Hispanic because their ancestors came from Spain? (This doesn't include people in Brazil, obviously, because their ancestors came from Portugal.)

Not so long ago there were many inquiries sent to the "Real Academia de la Lengua Española" (I am sure you understand that this is "The Royal Academy of the Spanish Language") about the proper way of calling the people from Mexico to Argentina And Chile and the countries in between including Brasil). And as it had been stated for ages, it is Ibero Americans (Ibero Americanos), and not Latino Americans. And if it was for just those speaking Spanish, it is Hispano Americans (Hispano Americanos). Guess here it is where in the US someone decided to mix and mess with a language term and turn it into a language/race term. So Hispanics is correct when one talks about language only, but not about race.

Arbitrary decision, as it happened before with lots of immigrants whose last names were changed to sound "English"... It is always a few people who change things without giving it a real thought, and then it becomes "official". (In some way kind of disregard for foreign cultures).

Portuguese exists because one of the Kingdoms (Portugal) that formed Iberia, centuries ago, went their own way and Castilla (the strong kingdom of Iberia wasn't that strong when that happened and couldn't keep Portugal within (Castilla, Leon, Granada, Aragon & Navarra), same as it happened with the separate Kingdoms within Britain and then conquered by England.

Not so long ago there were many inquiries sent to the "Real Academia de la Lengua Española" (I am sure you understand that this is "The Royal Academy of the Spanish Language") about the proper way of calling the people from Mexico to Argentina And Chile and the countries in between including Brasil). And as it had been stated for ages, it is Ibero Americans (Ibero Americanos), and not Latino Americans. And if it was for just those speaking Spanish, it is Hispano Americans (Hispano Americanos). Guess here it is where in the US someone decided to mix and mess with a language term and turn it into a language/race term. So Hispanics is correct when one talks about language only, but not about race.

Arbitrary decision, as it happened before with lots of immigrants whose last names were changed to sound "English"... It is always a few people who change things without giving it a real thought, and then it becomes "official".
Race is arbitrary too. I ask you the question...

...Why does it matter what word we use to refer to an already fuzzily defined group of people?

Race is arbitrary too. I ask you the question...

...Why does it matter what word we use to refer to an already fuzzily defined group of people?

I keep asking that, but no one has answered it yet.

Race is arbitrary too. I ask you the question...

...Why does it matter what word we use to refer to an already fuzzily defined group of people?

Today for some reason, the "Native Americans" are no longer called "Indians". Since that is how those from India are called. Though all natives americans (north and south) belong to a sub group of the yellow race, called "Cobrizos", Cobrizo comes from cobre (copper), the colour of copper.

Guess that was fixed, so now fix the term Hispanics when referring to race, since that doesn't exist as a race. The problem is to put inside the same "sack" different races. I already said, by giving an example, that if someone decides to call "English" (as a race term), to all those who speak English", putting all blacks, whites, yellows and browns in the same "sack".

You didn't tell us why it matters. What's the big huge deal with calling people Hispanic? Maybe someday in the future they'll be called browns, but they aren't today. Why do you have such a huge problem with it?

You didn't tell us why it matters. What's the big huge deal with calling people Hispanic? Maybe someday in the future they'll be called browns, but they aren't today. Why do you have such a huge problem with it?

Ok "QueridaMuerta", I give up... But from now on, whether you are black or white, I will call you "English" or "Anglo". if this isn't a huge deal for you.

Note: Can you tell me what words did you use in English to come up with "QueridaMuerta"?

Was it Grateful Dead?

Ok "QueridaMuerta", I give up... But from now on, whether you are black or white, I will call you "English" or "Anglo". if this isn't a huge deal for you.

Note: Can you tell me what words did you use in English to come up with "QueridaMuerta"?

Was it Grateful Dead?

I didn't... My friend's screen name is Cherie Morte, so I translated that roughly into Spanish so we could be screen name twins.

You can call me English or Anglo if you want. I probably have some ancestors from Britain so I guess it would be accurate.

Oh and P.S.- I grateful can translate into querida? :@@:

Ok "QueridaMuerta", I give up... But from now on, whether you are black or white, I will call you "English" or "Anglo". if this isn't a huge deal for you.
But that would be poor use of English, as contemporary English does not define the word "English" to mean "a descendant of the English people" or "a person who speaks English". "Anglo", however, is perfectly valid. I am an Anglo, i.e., "a white American of non-Hispanic descent, as distinguished esp. from an American of Mexican or Spanish descent." It's not valid for black people, however.

I didn't... My friend's screen name is Cherie Morte, so I translated that roughly into Spanish so we could be screen name twins.

You can call me English or Anglo if you want. I probably have some ancestors from Britain so I guess it would be accurate.

Oh and P.S.- I grateful can translate into querida? :@@:

"Cherie Morte" = "Dear Death" = "Querida Muerte"

Grateful = Agradecido/a = thankful...

PS: Not upset in any way, it was just a very interesting discussion ....

"Cherie Morte" = "Dear Death" = "Querida Muerte"

Grateful = Agradecido/a = thankful...

PS: Not upset in any way, it was just a very interesting discussion ....

That was my friend's error, not mine... She thought "morte" was the adjective.

Anyways I like mine better.

I think so.

It doesn't mean that you have to love everything about it, but it does mean that you have to *care* enough to WANT healthy and REALISTIC change in the first place. Take Freethinker, for example.

I very much want change...healthy change.

The changes I am for are more realistic, in terms of maling this a far better country and vastly increasing the chances of the nation's continued existence, than ANYTHING i have ever heard coming out of that Parliment of Whores in Washington.

Not at all - he fucking loathes this country and everything it stands for, ...

I just loathe that is has come to be run by Corporations (iow, that it has become fascist) and that so many condone and support said fascism.

.... hence - he's NO American.

Thank you.

He (like most people nowadays) is here for the lifestyle it affords him, period.

Not really. I am here because this is where my mother had me. When I gather the requisite funds---and if I can convince certain members of my family to leave-- I will go to another country.

The human species are getting smarted so if the earth has another 500 years den we should have sumthing 2 bring us 2 another planet simular 2 the earth or meaby mars , i'm just saying.

The human species are getting smarted so if the earth has another 500 years den we should have sumthing 2 bring us 2 another planet simular 2 the earth or meaby mars , i'm just saying.
if we don't kill each other first. most of human technology is driven by war, greed comes in a close second...sloth is third.

The human species are getting smarted so if the earth has another 500 years den we should have sumthing 2 bring us 2 another planet simular 2 the earth or meaby mars , i'm just saying.

YES! WE ARE INDEED GETTING SMARTED!

...rofl...

But that would be poor use of English, as contemporary English does not define the word "English" to mean "a descendant of the English people" or "a person who speaks English". "Anglo", however, is perfectly valid. I am an Anglo, i.e., "a white American of non-Hispanic descent, as distinguished esp. from an American of Mexican or Spanish descent." It's not valid for black people, however.
Use of the word "Anglo" would be improper as well, since there is really no such thing as somebody who is "Anglo", you'd be Anglo-Saxon, not one or the other because of how intertwined the race is. Use of Anglo is slang in some parts of the world(for entirely different things) and therefore offering it as use in describing race would perfectly well open up the use of "English" for a race slang word for, you know, anybody who spoke English. Or maybe Englizzle to make it sound more... slangy. A bunch of dictionaries throw stupid slang words in them for some illogical reason. And I do mean words that are still slang and not widely accepted like "rad" or "boudacious".

P.S. That paragraph doesn't sound nearly as awesome unless spoken, with meaning. So say it aloud. With meaning.


YES! WE ARE INDEED GETTING SMARTED!
OH FUCK! *Puts on tin foil hat* No smarting rays are going to get to me now. HA! Take that International Organization of Smartyness!

And if it was for just those speaking Spanish, it is Hispano Americans (Hispano Americanos). .I think it would be Americanos Hispanos.

I think it would be Americanos Hispanos.

It is certainly Hispano Americanos, same way for those who speak english: Anglo Americanos (Anglo Americans), the generic name comes second, and Americanos or Americans is a generic name, the difference is established by the language they speak (Spanish, English, Portuguese, French, etc.).

Taken from a search result in the Wikipedia (Spanish Edition):

"Diccionario Enciclopédico Hispano Americano" (Name for one of the Encyclopedic Dictionaries in the Spanish language).

And by the way, here is the tittle of the article for the "Hispano-North American War":

Batallas de la Guerra Hispano-Estadounidense
It doesn't refer to the people living in the US as "Americans", why?... maybe because América (America) is bigger than just one country.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batallas_de_la_Guerra_Hispano-Estadounidense

It doesn't refer to the people living in the US as "Americans", why?... maybe because América (America) is bigger than just one country.
You've brought this up before. We don't care, no one does. This nation is called the United States of America, thus we are called Americans for short. If you're from another place in the Americas, then you take the name of your country.

Calling us, "United Statians" doesn't exactly fit with the fact that we've been referred to by the world as Americans for 2 centuries.

It is certainly Hispano Americanos, same way for those who speak english:
"Diccionario Enciclopédico (Name for one of the Encyclopedic Dictionaries in the Spanish language).
Must be an exception with which I'm unfamiliar. The noun usually comes first in spanish.

As in "Diccionario Enciclopedico"

Must be an exception with which I'm unfamiliar. The noun usually comes first in spanish.

"Hispano Americano", both are nouns. Hispano and Americano,... actually both make one.

"Latino Americano"

"Ibero Americano"

"Anglo Americano"

"Franco Americano"

"Germano Americano"

"Italo americano"

We've been referred to by the world as Americans for 2 centuries.

Just by some Europeans, and of course those who were ignorant that the word América or America is primarily used to designate a continent. America, Asia, Africa, Europe... But, you can keep calling yourselves as you wish, I don't care either, though I just pointed out how the "Wikipedia" refers to you.

Just by some Europeans, and of course those who were ignorant that the word América or America is primarily used to designate a continent. America, Asia, Africa, Europe... But, you can keep calling yourselves as you wish, I don't care either, though I just pointed out how the "Wikipedia" refers to you.
I could go on there and change it to say what I wish right now. Perhaps I will...

But, you can keep calling yourselves as you wish, I don't care either, though I just pointed out how the "Wikipedia" refers to you.
Ooooooh, a wiki file says that!?!?! I better take it seriously, then. Well, either that, or perhaps I should just change it...

Good call, Liberal. ;)
We've been referred to by the world as Americans for 2 centuries.
Just by some Europeans
Yeah, I know - by the other important people out there....

What you're saying doesn't make any sense. It's not practical, nor is it intuitive or logical. Give it up, my greasy little friend - your argument sucks.

"Hispano Americano", both are nouns. Hispano and Americano,... actually both make one.I think Hispano would be the adjective in this case. Taken together they may form a sort of noun phrase, but one of them should definitely be an adjective (as in peanut butter).
I don't think anything can be defined by two nouns at the same time.
I could be wrong.

Thanks Lib. Now I can rest easier when bin Laden says "Death to America".

Thanks Lib. Now I can rest easier when bin Laden says "Death to America".
Exactly.