I love how this story about a poor little 13 year old "graffiti artist" got run over by a train.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/07/graffiti.death.ap/index.html

Is it just me or does it make stomach turn when you refer to a 13 year old vandalizer as a "graffiti artist." Give me a friggin break. It's these graffiti artists that make you want to buy a gun and start taking the law into your own hands, because you know that if on the off chance the little brat gets caught, that next to nothing will happen to him....or even worse, some idiot will glorify him as some sort of artist.

I wouldn't mind seeing a mural that said "Remember 9/11" while I'm riding the train... Poor kid.

Play with fire, you're going to get burned.

I wouldn't mind seeing a mural that said "Remember 9/11" while I'm riding the train... Poor kid.

Would you mind if the "mural" was scribbled all over your neighborhood?

Not at all. It would be a different story if he was just making scribbles or writing profanity or nonsense.

Actually I wouldn't have a problem with profanity either.

Actually I wouldn't have a problem with profanity either.

Well, I just hope that someone spraypaints "Fuck" on the side of your fence or something so that you have to be the one that spends your Saturday morning trying to scrub it off, and then maybe you'll understand why people like myself get pissed off when "graffiti artists" dirty up their neighborhood.

I don't think he was spraypainting any bad words on anyone's fences. And anyways, I wouldn't scrub it off. So there's a bad word on my fence. And I didn't have to make the effort to piss off the neighbors!

hmmmm, I'm not sure how I feel about graffiti artists. Here in my town they have purposely set aside some areas where kids can use their paint at will... This helps them to stay within a certain area. Some of their stuff is quite amazing.

Now when they spray paint the brick on one of the buildings I look after, (which has happened a couple of times) it has to be sand blasted off... THAT makes me pissed at them.

It's all about boundaries I guess.

Too bad the kid died though.

hmmmm, I'm not sure how I feel about graffiti artists. Here in my town they have purposely set aside some areas where kids can use their paint at will... This helps them to stay within a certain area. Some of their stuff is quite amazing.


That's a great idea. I wish people here would do that instead of just complaining about it all the time.

I don't think he was spraypainting any bad words on anyone's fences. And anyways, I wouldn't scrub it off. So there's a bad word on my fence. And I didn't have to make the effort to piss off the neighbors!
I think Leper mistook what you would consider profane. How bout if one of these "artists" would spray "I love the Christian God and all his teachings" on your fence? Would that be enough to make you want to remove it from your fence?

I probably wouldn't care. Although that might cover my whole fence. And it would also depend if it was written in attractive letters or just lazy scribbley letters.

Oh and why on earth would you think that I considered "I love the Christian God and all his teachings." profane? Christianity is a wonderful religion. I just think that a lot of Christians don't practice what they preach.

Bring in the lawyers!!! Apparently he was just minding his own business when he was sucked through a hole in the fence.

The devastated family of a teen hit by a train while spraying graffiti blamed the MTA and the city yesterday for the boy's death - and they are now planning to sue.

"This was an accident that was completely preventable," said Daniella Levi, a family friend and lawyer representing them in a forthcoming lawsuit.

"We visited the tracks [Friday], and there's quite a few openings in the fence either broken through or just plain gaps in the fence where kids can get through."

Yeah, it's the Post, but it's probably true. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/01072007/news/regionalnews/kin_to_sue_in_graffiti_rail_death_regionalnews_jan a_winter.htm)

Oh and why on earth would you think that I considered "I love the Christian God and all his teachings." profane? Christianity is a wonderful religion. I just think that a lot of Christians don't practice what they preach.
It was an assumption. I make a lot of those. Sometimes im right, sometimes im wrong. Thats why i asked the question, so i woudnt have to assume. :)

Bring in the lawyers!!! Apparently he was just minding his own business when he was sucked through a hole in the fence.



Yeah, it's the Post, but it's probably true. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/01072007/news/regionalnews/kin_to_sue_in_graffiti_rail_death_regionalnews_jan a_winter.htm)


*sigh* Blame someone else! That should be our national motto these days.

"Your Honor, my client merely found those cans of spray paint and was on his way to the police station to turn them in when somebody pushed him in front of that speeding train ...." the plaid-suited ambulance chaser cried.

*sigh* Blame someone else! That should be our national motto these days.

That railroad is bad news - remember Palsgraf v. Long Island Railroad?

Unfortunately in today's society.. SOMEONE always has to be held accountable...

I mean... HEAVEN FORBID the PARENTS be blamed for not telling their kid to STAY OFF OR AWAY FROM TRAIN TRACKS!!!!

In the old days this would have been nothing but "poor kid.. too bad he took such a risk"...

TODAY.. its "SUE THE RAILROAD COMPANY"

Maybe i'll go jump off the top of a building as a bungee jumper and kill myself by not tightening the cord enough so my parents can sue the company that paved the road that I splatted on, AND the building I jumped off of... because i was a "bungee jumper".. so innocent.

Maybe i'll go jump off the top of a building as a bungee jumper and kill myself by not tightening the cord enough so my parents can sue the company that paved the road that I splatted on, AND the building I jumped off of... because i was a "bungee jumper".. so innocent.Excellent idea Decka, I'm all for it. :D

That railroad is bad news - remember Palsgraf v. Long Island Railroad?

Damn you, Lionel. I thought I was going to leave that case in Torts and never have to hear about it again.

heh - just read about the case at wikipedia... you guys are nuts, suing each other for things like that!

heh - just read about the case at wikipedia... you guys are nuts, suing each other for things like that!

Wow, wikipedia amazes me sometimes. But yeah, I have to admit that some negligence cases are certifiably nuts if you ask me.

heh - just read about the case at wikipedia... you guys are nuts, suing each other for things like that!

Behold the case that started it all.

Would you mind if the "mural" was scribbled all over your neighborhood?
Not at all. It would be a different story if he was just making scribbles or writing profanity or nonsense.

Actually I wouldn't have a problem with profanity either.
LOL, gotta love innocence, eh?

Well, sweetheart, when you have to start worrying about property values, then maybe you'll start caring.

Wow, wikipedia amazes me sometimes. But yeah, I have to admit that some negligence cases are certifiably nuts if you ask me.
Hey, you guys (Lionel and Leper, that is) - you should purchase the yearly desktop calendar of "Legal Lunacies". I used to get one every January, and I miss it. If you haven't heard of it, then you're in for a treat. You can pick one up at Barnes and Noble - they're like 12 bucks. In it are cases like this, and every day you can start your morning off with a good belly laugh.

Interesting case. Now I'm curious if the passenger with the fireworks was injured or worse, and if he was prosecuted for trying to take explosives aboard the train. :D

Interesting case. Now I'm curious if the passenger with the fireworks was injured or worse, and if he was prosecuted for trying to take explosives aboard the train. :D

Not during the 1920's!!

Is it just me or does it make stomach turn when you refer to a 13 year old vandalizer as a "graffiti artist." Give me a friggin break.

No actually........what truly turns turn my stomach is to hear another human being putting forth the view that a 13 year old who died in a horrible accident had it coming to him --and that maybe it's even a little bit humorous-- because he was committing the horrendous crime of spray painting graffiti on a train car.

No actually........what truly turns turn my stomach is to hear another human being putting forth the view that a 13 year old who died in a horrible accident had it coming to him --and that maybe it's even a little bit humorous-- because he was committing the horrendous crime of spray painting graffiti on a train car.

Geez, i guess we need to help out those who are incapable of reading what people actually SAY..

Its not that people think he "had it coming to him" BECAUSE he spray painted graffiti... it's the fact that he went into a dangerous area where you arent supposed to be, basically putting himself at risk... and then nature took its course. The graffiti really has nothing to do with it.. it just happened to be what he was doing. Just icing on the cake..

So no its not "death because of Graffiti".. its Death because of stupidity... and if that were a universal truth you'd surely be dead by now FT.

Its not that people think he "had it coming to him" BECAUSE he spray painted graffiti...

???!

You and I seem to have a different interpretation of the statement---

"I love how this story about a poor little 13 year old "graffiti artist" got run over by a train."

its not "death because of Graffiti".. its Death because of stupidity... and if that were a universal truth you'd surely be dead by now FT.

I have no idea what the IQ of the 13 year old may have been, but I would be happy to have my IQ weighed against yours.

No actually........what truly turns turn my stomach is to hear another human being putting forth the view that a 13 year old who died in a horrible accident had it coming to him --and that maybe it's even a little bit humorous-- because he was committing the horrendous crime of spray painting graffiti on a train car.

As the title of this thread suggests, the reason I posted about this incident is because the press called a vandalizing little punk a "graffiti artist." Using that term only contributes to a widespread problem in this country by glorifying people who spraypaint on other people's property. It's a fundamentally nasty little crime which doesn't deserve the least bit of glorification. The fact that the kid got run over by a train has nothing to do with why I posted on this topic.

If you're asserting that I am rejoicing in the kid's death? I certainly am not. But I will say I'm certainly not mourning it either...I have no doubt that there were a thousands of other kids that died this past week that warranted more grieving than this one.

No actually........what truly turns turn my stomach is to hear another human being putting forth the view that a 13 year old who died in a horrible accident had it coming to him --and that maybe it's even a little bit humorous-- because he was committing the horrendous crime of spray painting graffiti on a train car.
I contend the little fucker had it coming, even if the message itself was a good one.

I contend the little fucker had it coming, even if the message itself was a good one.

Had it coming? It's just graffiti man.

Had it coming? It's just graffiti man.

Ever given any consideration to what it costs to remove?

Ever given any consideration to what it costs to remove?

So he deserved to die? Should we start using the death penalty on 13-year-olds who vandalize public property?

The young man died after being hit by a train. Nobody twisted his arm to get into that position.

No, the death penalty should not be used.

It would be better to apprehend the vandals and sentence them to removing graffiti at 100 hours per incident. Perhaps they could then be encouraged to express their artistic talents in a more appropriate fashion.

I thought you were arguing that he had it coming.

Had it coming? It's just graffiti man.
True, I was being a tad (:)) extreme, but I'd flip out if I had to spend my Saturday removing some little punk's "artistry" from my garage door.

I've never understood vandals, and I probably never will.

The young man died after being hit by a train. Nobody twisted his arm to get into that position.

No, the death penalty should not be used.

It would be better to apprehend the vandals and sentence them to removing graffiti at 100 hours per incident. Perhaps they could then be encouraged to express their artistic talents in a more appropriate fashion.
Well said, Es...

I completely agree.

Had it coming? It's just graffiti man.

Doesn't matter a whit to a Conserva-Fascist how inconsequential the 'crime' was.

Doesn't matter a whit to a Conserva-Fascist that a tragic accident cost a 13 year old kid his life;

....to THEM, the important thing is that their precious fucking sense of ***order*** has been violated. ((<gasp!!> A boxcar was spray-painted!!! OH!, the unspeakable horror!!))

Hence, they rejoice in knowing that the 'evil' drone who dared to violate "public decorum" is dead and buried.

For callous far-right totalitarianists like them, the absolute subordination of individuals to "the State" transcends issues of life and death. If people like them ran things, (a condition which we are very swiftly moving toward in this country) the mother of the dead thirteen year old would likely be picked up as she left the graveside and charged with some sort of violation.

I don't even know what to say about that post, FT. :rolleyes:

He's an idiot Dark.. just let him sit in his wheel chair and rot...

Doesn't matter a whit to a Conserva-Fascist how inconsequential the 'crime' was.

Doesn't matter a whit to a Conserva-Fascist that a tragic accident cost a 13 year old kid his life;

....to THEM, the important thing is that their precious fucking sense of ***order*** has been violated. ((<gasp!!> A boxcar was spray-painted!!! OH!, the unspeakable horror!!))

Hence, they rejoice in knowing that the 'evil' drone who dared to violate "public decorum" is dead and buried.

For callous far-right totalitarianists like them, the absolute subordination of individuals to "the State" transcends issues of life and death. If people like them ran things, (a condition which we are very swiftly moving toward in this country) the mother of the dead thirteen year old would likely be picked up as she left the graveside and charged with some sort of violation.
God DAMN, you have a gift with words, FT. Even though I pity your political mindset, I'm freaking jealous of the way you can write...

You never cease to amaze.