That disgusting hanging of Saddam in Iraq is huge error of Bush imo. I would rather not say ‘God bless America’ in the matter. Our support of’em is erroneous too.
Vatican didn’t approve of that execution. Our pols in London applauded to it. That’s no good ‘cause it doesn’t look like Christian spirit.
Then….there’s no death penalty even for the most monstrous criminals in Europe. Iraq’s on democratic path. Why should it be different there? Looks like there’s racial agenda in it. Muslims may feel themselves people of lower breed just. Been there, seen this in Nazi Germany during Holocaust.
But Muslims are no Jews. They are billions of them and there’s plenty in our lands too. They are young and aggressive race ready to win the world. Saddam’s execution may be a trigger to provoke violence here or terror attacks or just foster enmity towards Europeans. What makes things worse is that they stupidly made TV show of it.
Honestly, I am feeling rather scary. And you?
Btw I’ve seen in Internet some appeals to fight ‘infidels’ in Europe.

To Sunnis, Saddam's hanging was just a gang of Shite thugs taking revenge on Saddam, instead of a somber state execution like it should have been.

It showed that Al-sadr has more power in Iraq then the American media is letting on.

they're still dancing in the streets of Dearborn...i'd rather see my muslims happy and bunch of goat humpers in the middle of sandland ticked off then vice versa.

they're still dancing in the streets of Dearborn...i'd rather see my muslims happy and bunch of goat humpers in the middle of sandland ticked off then vice versa.

I was in Dearborn this morning.

Nobody was dancing in the streets.

I wonder did anyone ever take the time to think, that Saddams execution may end up making him nothing more than an international Martyr to the entire muslim world. To me, killing him was just about as stupid as assasinating Dr Martin Luther King Jr during the american civil rights era. He did more damage to America's image Dead than Alive :(

i want better video of the hanging.

I would rather not say ‘God bless America’ in the matter.Why say it in any matter?

First off, I seriously DOUBT Saddam is going to become a martyr for the cause of Jihad. He wasn't into the Jihad thing in the first place, he was found hiding in a hole, he didn't fight the Americans to the very end the way he had promised to, he wound up looking like a homeless man one could find on the streets in New York City. I can also point out that he has a long and bloody list of crimes he committed against the Kurds and the Shiites and the Iranians. Saddam isn't an easy man to like, let alone martyr.

Bin Laden, on the other hand, if he isn't blown up hiding in a cave, if he were about to captured and went down fighting and one must not forget that Bin Laden didn't go and brutally kill, gas, rape, murder and torture fellow Muslims, he's more Martyr material. Particularly since he has evaded capture for so long.

Regardless, one can't go and be afraid of what the "arab street" is going to say when justice is leveled at terrorists and thug dictators. The U.S. has to do what it says it's going to do and will do so without fear of repurcussions.

There was an Amir Taheri article on the very subject of the "arab street" which some here in America and in Europe are very worried about. He did point out that far worse crimes have been committed against muslims without the "arab street" rioting. More recently, the Ethiopian government, along with some help from the Kenyans and a couple other poor African nations went into Somalia, kicked the crap out of the Jihadist government there, sent them into the hills along the Kenyan border and are very quietly killing every single Jihadist that they can find. You don't see the "arab street" exploding over such an obvious ousting of a Muslim government, now do you? Mainly that's because the Ethiopians and Kenyans aren't going to give a rat's ass over "world opinion" the "arab street" and they're not about to waste their time with meaningless negotiations and going to the U.N. to get justfication for ousting a thug Jihadist dictatorship. The Africans got sick and tired of Jihad on the African horn and went on an ass kicking spree. THAT is something the Jihadists understand, getting dead, dammit.

Then….there’s no death penalty even for the most monstrous criminals in Europe. Iraq’s on democratic path. Why should it be different there?

Maybe because the Iraqis aren't about to go down the path of the spineless europeans who believe that the inability to make hard choices and hard law somehow imbues with a kind of moral superiority.

Looks like there’s racial agenda in it.

Or a belief that dead dictators have zero chance of getting back in power.

They are billions of them and there’s plenty in our lands too.

Funny, I don't see zillions of Arabs rioting in America as of yet, not like France which had zillions of young Muslims burning several thousand cars in towns all over France a year or so back when two young Arabs got killed evading the French police. Of course, that doesn't fit this liberal ideal that if we Americans don't toe the line and tip toe around the subject of Jihad terror or else the "arab street" will explode, so it didn't get much press here, dammit.

Btw I’ve seen in Internet some appeals to fight ‘infidels’ in Europe.

That is OLD news, very old news. Where you been? Problems between the Europeans and their Islam immigrants have been brewing for decades now. Whether or not Saddam was executed with dignity, had a game show made out of Saddam's hanging or if he was given a tropical island with seventy virgins to live with for life isnt' going to sway European troubles with the Jihadists one way or another, dammit.

I would rather not say ‘God bless America’ in the matter.

I don't doubt you have trouble saying "God Bless America" in general, dammit.

I was in Dearborn this morning.

Nobody was dancing in the streets.
they must have moved inside-it's getting chilly.

i want better video of the hanging.
but you can still get the T-shirt.
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it was a mess, but it had nothing to do with Bush

Why do people feel the need to complain about how a man like saddam was killed, you think he cared about how he killed the thousands of people he did? He deserved far worse. I woulda just taken him out back and put a pistol to his skull.

Exactly! It's not like he was ever sorry for killing thousands of innocent people. He got what he deserved and all the world got to see it.

How could Saddam be any type of martyr to muslim extremists? Liberals in the states have been claiming that there was NO connection between the two :rolleyes:

Why do people feel the need to complain about how a man like saddam was killed, you think he cared about how he killed the thousands of people he did? He deserved far worse. I woulda just taken him out back and put a pistol to his skull.

I think the reason is because we are civilized people. The guy was hanged - for good reason, but there was no need to spread it around YouTube.

Civilized people do not base the validity of their behavior on the depths to which less civilized people sink.

I think the reason is because we are civilized people. The guy was hanged - for good reason, but there was no need to spread it around YouTube.

Civilized people do not base the validity of their behavior on the depths to which less civilized people sink.

Well, I understand what your saying, and I'd tend to agree. Its just that people seem to have a bleeding heart for this guy and the fact a video of his execution got out, a rather bad quality video at that. I mean it wasnt us that directly put him to death, we gave him to the Iraqis to do it because they are the ones who suffered so much under him. So really its their fault. No matter what we do in that country, we can only please 1/3 of the people at once, its an almost immpossible situation.

I agree, his execution has nothing much to do with the US - it's all down to the iraqi's.

Anyway - if he was here he wouldn't have been hanged and died in a split second, he would have been strapped to a table and died an excrutiating death while 5 doctors fumbled around experimenting to discover what dose is actually lethal.

Its just the game most liberals like to play.. called "pin as much as you can on Bush"... and then hopefully the uninformed public will believe after having it crammed down their ears so many times...

while some criticism on bush is deserved, MUCH of it really isn't

Who else you gonna blame except for the man in charge?

Why blame the man "in charge" when really ISNT "in charge" because nowhere in the constitution does it say to hang people... that was pure Iraqi justice... plain and simple. It would be cruel and unusual punishment if they tried to do it in the states.

But yea, since Saddam got "hung".. all the whores are all about him now

True...but you know there are people out there who are going to blame him for everything cause he put us in Iraq in the first place.

How could Saddam be any type of martyr to muslim extremists? Liberals in the states have been claiming that there was NO connection between the two :rolleyes:

oh pleease don't tell me that you believe that there's a connection between 9-11 and Iraq.

True...but you know there are people out there who are going to blame him for everything cause he put us in Iraq in the first place.

Yea, he put us in that shitty situation FOR NO REASON! No shit I'm gonna blame Iraq on him.

oh pleease don't tell me that you believe that there's a connection between 9-11 and Iraq.

None that i can prove.. but you'd have to be naive to say there ABSOLUTELY was NO connection and NO terrorists in Iraq... Noone can prove there WASN'T a connection either...

And actually what i'm talking about is basic terrorism in Iraq, and possibly Al-Queda... i dont think Iraq was "in" on 9-11, that is fairly safe to say.. but that doesn't mean they didn't harbor anything.. i could be wrong that they weren't involved.

Just don't try to tell me that Iran, Syria, Afghanistan were all crawling with muslim extremists and Al Queda members, and they just decided to stay out of Iraq....

While it might not be able to be proven, common sense says you should know better.

None that i can prove.. but you'd have to be naive to say there ABSOLUTELY was NO connection and NO terrorists in Iraq... Noone can prove there WASN'T a connection either...


I cannot prove you are not a terrorist either.

Should I assume you are?

I cannot prove you are not a terrorist either.

Should I assume you are?

go for it.. do whatever you want its a free country.

i don't really show many signs and am not next door to any terrorists.. so its not really a good analogy.

nice attempt to try to paint me as accusing people of being guilty before innocent.. but in this situation i think such suspicion is fully warranted. Do you still want to try to tell me that Iraq was and is terrorist and Al Queda-free?

nice attempt to try to paint me as accusing people of being guilty before innocent..

I didn't say that. Feeling a bit guilty eh?
That says more than I would ever need to.

Do you still want to try to tell me that Iraq was and is terrorist and Al Queda-free?

Of course not!

Now, because of our invasion, Iraq is a regular Terrorist Disneyland.

Well we don't know about Al-Qaeda in Iraq, but I believe there were always terrorists there.

Well we don't know about Al-Qaeda in Iraq, but I believe there were always terrorists there.

I suppose that depends upon how you define "terrorist".

I didn't say that. Feeling a bit guilty eh?
That says more than I would ever need to.

Me? no i don't feel "guilty at all"... i was trying to explain to you that you appeared to try to paint me as someone who thinks people are "guilty until proven innocent".. which I'm pretty sure you did because it wouldn't make sense any other way... and which is also, if i might add, retarded.



Of course not!

Now, because of our invasion, Iraq is a regular Terrorist Disneyland.

minus the bigwigs who can actually attack our homeland.. sounds good to me. I'm glad you finally got some sense in that skull of yours

I'm glad you finally got some sense in that skull of yours

And you wonder why I have no respect for you.

*sigh*

Why do people feel the need to complain about how a man like Saddam was killed, you think he cared about how he killed the thousands of people he did?

I figure Saddam cared exactly as much about their deaths as B*sh cares about the 600,000 who've died in Iraq because he started a war with that country,

Did Phyrex say ANYTHING about Bush?

No.. i don't think he did...

obsession anybody?

I'll take some Paranoia soup while you're at it....

Did Phyrex say ANYTHING about Bush?

No.. i don't think he did...


Did I say anything about eating shit?

No.. i don't think I did...

When i DID talk about Napsterbater's mother eating poop.. was i talking to you??

No.. i don't think i was...

try a comeback that is directed toward the right person next time.

The fact remains.. Phyrex didn't say anything about Bush...

nice attempt to try to paint me as accusing people of being guilty before innocent.. but in this situation i think such suspicion is fully warranted. Do you still want to try to tell me that Iraq was and is terrorist and Al Queda-free?Just because there may have been terrorists in Iraq doesn't mean that the government was actively harboring them.

Just because there may have been terrorists in Iraq doesn't mean that the government was actively harboring them.

I dont really think Saddam really cared, nor tried to get rid of them. In fact, im pretty sure he welcomed them.

I dont really think Saddam really cared, nor tried to get rid of them. In fact, im pretty sure he welcomed them.
I'd say it was the opposite. A secular, tyrannical leader of Muslim country would be as much of a target for Muslim fundies as we are.

I dont really think Saddam really cared, nor tried to get rid of them. In fact, im pretty sure he welcomed them.

I'm afraid you're wrong on this one, Phyrex, and Jester's got it right. Any supposed "cooperation" between Hussein and al Queda was dismissed as long ago as June 2004.

Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed

By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 17, 2004

The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.

Along with the contention that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials have often asserted that there were extensive ties between Hussein's government and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network; earlier this year, Cheney said evidence of a link was "overwhelming."

But the report of the commission's staff, based on its access to all relevant classified information, said that there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation. In yesterday's hearing of the panel, formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, a senior FBI official and a senior CIA analyst concurred with the finding.

The staff report said that bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq" while in Sudan through 1996, but that "Iraq never responded" to a bin Laden request for help in 1994. The commission cited reports of contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda after bin Laden went to Afghanistan in 1996, adding, "they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."

Read a paper, whydoncha? :slap:

just because they weren't holding hands doesn't mean they rejected each other either...

if a young girl gets raped on my front lawn, and i step outside, see the rape, and say "huh.. the sucks for her", and walk back inside.. i am definitely guilty of not doing anything to help her. There is no law that says i HAVE to help her, but it's something that goes beyond law... dare i say it... morals?

I don't think Al Queda and Iraq were planning things together, but a moron would say that terrorists weren't in Iraq.. there were plenty. What does that mean? It doesn't mean too much, i just often here the certain tone from liberals that Iraq was somehow not involved WHATSOEVER with terrorism.

Oh, and i really don't know WHO to believe anymore.. i mean i've seen the 9-11 report say things, then i've seen other documents that suggest a connection of terrorism in Iraq... i guess whatever side fits anyone's agenda is right.

just because they weren't holding hands doesn't mean they rejected each other either...

Bin Laden didn't reject Hussein, but Hussein sure rejected Osama.

if a young girl gets raped on my front lawn, and i step outside, see the rape, and say "huh.. the sucks for her", and walk back inside.. i am definitely guilty of not doing anything to help her. There is no law that says i HAVE to help her, but it's something that goes beyond law... dare i say it... morals?

Help me out here, Decka. What exactly does this have to do with the suggestion that Saddam Hussein and Al Queda were in cahoots? Are you implying that either (of both) of them have/had morals? Are you high?

I don't think Al Queda and Iraq were planning things together, but a moron would say that terrorists weren't in Iraq.. there were plenty. What does that mean? It doesn't mean too much, i just often here the certain tone from liberals that Iraq was somehow not involved WHATSOEVER with terrorism.

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention. The terrorists that were in Iraq (before we got there) were, in fact, Saddam Hussein and his henchmen. Al Queda, however, had no connection with Hussein and they were not welcomed in Iraq prior to our removing their impediment to enter Iraq; that impediment was Hussein. Now that he and his administration have been eliminated, the only thing stopping Al Queda from expanding into Iraq is us. And we're doing a supremely sucky job of it.