Sometimes I wonder if I'm just overly cynical or pessimistic, but the vast majority of people tend to be douche bags. Seriously, what is wrong with humanity? We all have different backgrounds/experiences which affect our behavior, but surely we all have some kind of moral, intellectual core. The main group I'm addressing are students in high school as well as those in charge. Here are three of my past personal experiences:


I was being dragged into a bathroom by this kid who wanted to beat me. He dragged me right by 2 "security officers" who had to have noticed that a struggle was taking place. They just watched. Just before being yanked in, I spotted a good friend of mine and called for his help. He put a hand up to his face to hide himself and walked away. No justice.

I had a kid check me in the face during a game of floor hockey in gym class. You may think that it was just part of the game, but the rules called for no contact and, more importantly, I didn't have the ball. My front tooth was split in half, a nosebleed arose, and my lip was cut. Once the incident was reported, the Athletic Director concluded that it must have been an accident because the other student weighed more than me. Therefore, it hurt more than it should have. No justice.

A senior on my school bus (embarassingly a girl) kept on elbowing me. She wasn't being flirty or cute, she was just out to get me. She then took out a can of hairspray and a lighter. I put two-and-two together and realized she wanted to set me on fire. I told her "You don't want to do that... you'd get arrested and who wants that, right?" She looked at me dead serious and said "I don't care if the cops are there when you burn." Then we arrived at her bus stop and she left. She was never punished, and all this took place in the front row of the bus. No justice.

When I was a freshman, a football-playing senior made many of those "Your mother's so fat..." jokes at my expense while sitting on the teachers desk. And yes, the teacher was right there laughing away because he was the football coach. I made a single joke in return, and the next day this senior jumped me, lifted me by my throat, and smashed my head into a locker. Twice. He was going for a third but I managed to stun him and get away. In this case, the other student did get external suspension for one day. I received a late night detention till 5pm because I "provoked him". When I asked why I was in trouble, the Dean said that she had let me get away with that prior "bus situation". The one where I was threatened to be set on fire! Um... yeah, no justice!



And the kicker? All of this happened in my freshman year of high school. In the United States. In an average suburban town.

What the hell is wrong with people!

Feel free to vent your own high school hell stories or comment.

HAH! Yeah... I had such a hell of a time in middle school, I got out of high school entirely by being homeschooled for a year and a half and then dropping out.

I went to a small town school, so I never had many of those problems. I do remember once, though, in middle school, getting nailed in the men's sensitive area with a softball....ouch. That, and a bunch of shop kids welding the back doors shut.

I don't know what to tell you. Bullying's been around a long time. I've had problems like this in high school. Maybe in middle school a bit, but that's because I didn't know any English at all, so they could have made fun of me, but I didn't understand them, so it didn't really bother me. I've heard of incidents as those that you describe, and yes it's just terrible that security guards and teachers allow that kind of behavior. As far as the students go, that's their time to be rebellious; I don't condone it; but they figure they're at the age where they can do anything. They don't process their actions, they act on instinct and peer pressure.

It ain't just high school, kiddo.
This hurt has has staying power, and it'll kick your ass, if you let it.

It has the potential to go on for the rest of your natural life.
Unless you come to grips with this one simple fact:

Most people are complete and utter assholes.
Self-serving, unconscious, cruel and unthinking assholes.
And a great portion of the rest of them are mindless drones, all too quick to look the other way, in the interest of political-correctness and 'getting along'.

Now. This revelation, should you choose to roll over and let it engulf you, could well suck the life out of you, and cause you to become bitter, angry, and demoralized.

My advice to you is this:
Don't let it.

I say, embrace the suck.
Concede the common, the average, to the suck.
And then move on with your life.
People can be mean. So what?

Here's the hook. There are a choice few out there who are good.
Kind. Selfless, generous, and giving.
Appreciate them. Celebrate them. Cherish them.
Because they are the rare ones that you can learn to count on.

What I am saying is this.
Don't bemoan the mean and base people out there.
Because they are the vast majority. They are the given. The norm. The status quo.
Instead, celebrate the wonderful and kind people out there.
For they are the rare and special that you can hang your hopes on.
The ones you will aspire to be like.
They are the folks you hope your kids will endeavor to emulate.

Overcome the suck.
Be good, be kind, above all, learn, and then learn to rise above.
Be the hero that your kids will someday want to emulate.
:thumbs:

It would seem that your average teacher doesn't really give a rat's ass who really did what, so they just issue a blanket punishment and move on. I wonder how much of that has to do with idiot parents who come after the teachers when teacher punish their children.

It ain't just high school, kiddo.
This hurt has has staying power, and it'll kick your ass, if you let it.
See, because I've never been bullyed or saw someone get bullyed, I guess I don't understand. I do believe that it stays with you as long as you let it, just like you said.

This is how I managed to make it through high school.

I became friends with every social class of kids there was. By that I mean the Preps, Jocks, Emo, Punks, Geeks, all of them. Then you cant go wrong.
Seriously, how many kids in high school did you know that not only played sports every year, was in chess club, played MTG alot, surfed, had green, blue, and red hair at one point or another, wore american eagle and ambercrombie, and was called on everytime there was a problem with a computer? Not many I bet. High school was good times.

This is how I managed to make it through high school.

I became friends with every social class of kids there was. By that I mean the Preps, Jocks, Emo, Punks, Geeks, all of them. Then you cant go wrong.
Seriously, how many kids in high school did you know that not only played sports every year, was in chess club, played MTG alot, surfed, had green, blue, and red hair at one point or another, wore american eagle and ambercrombie, and was called on everytime there was a problem with a computer? Not many I bet. High school was good times.

Very good advice for all--not just those in high school, but others too.
Get to know and become ( or try to become) friends with all.

PS Good post too, sparky.
"Most people are about as happy as they make up their minds to be."
Abraham Lincoln

I think the term that you are looking far is ‘dog’, ‘tribal’, or ‘pack’ mentality. It goes in line with the line of sayings to the effect: you can take the boy out of the country, but you can’t take the country out of the boy. Actually, history dictates that you can; only it takes longer than society.

You’re missing out on your importance to the system, because you, well, for lack of a better term, have the Sh!t end of the stick. However, in antiquity, you would have been paid back for your submission, through security. Much in the same analogical example of the dog pack. So it’s probably less of an issue of ‘wrong’ and more one of ‘datedness’.

I could echo some stories, both seen and participated, but perhaps the conclusion is best. They are in the past, and are little more than whispers of a time gone by.

I'm a Japanese and I went to a Japanese high school, we didn't have such thing.

But I guess there are two causes below.

1.Anyone who apt to blow didn't play sports.
2.Anyone being not praised up is apt to blow.

Uh, 3rd cause:

Anyone who don't have grown brain because they can't take a plenty food is apt to blow. Philippines and Africa take the internal fighting every moment by the thing.

4th:
Anyone who can speak English little and can express their feeling little is apt to rage.

I don't know the condition of the nutrition about the high school. The information is hard to be taken for me.

You mean Japanese kids aren't mean to each other in high school?

You mean Japanese kids aren't mean to each other in high school?

wow.

Of course, Japanese kids have some bullying.
But the violence are scarce. Japanese bullying is often exist by mental torture such as neglect, scorch, hiding belonging, denigration.

Japanese students rarely rough teacher up.

Sorry, I've just heard some real horror stories about kids in Japanese schools and how just downright mean they can be to each other. They are also capable of some of the most incredible kindnesses I've ever heard of as well.

Sorry, I've just heard some real horror stories about kids in Japanese schools and how just downright mean they can be to each other. They are also capable of some of the most incredible kindnesses I've ever heard of as well.

Horror stories? Such as cutting off the head of kid and leave the head in the front of school?
It certainly happen, but it's very rare case. besides, it's not a bullying but a crime.

social issue about bullying in japan is suicide by impatient suffering bullying.

The only time of my life in which I wasn't bullied and beaten was high school. I was beaten, shoved, ignored, ridiculed, teased, betrayed, etc. in elementary school. I got into at three fist fights that I remember and lost every one and I was outnumbered three to one in one of them. Middle school wasn't as bad, still isolated, but frankly I learned not to take shit. My parents, specifically my mother, had always told me to let the school deal with it, to retreat to "authority" figures and that they'd protect me. There is no greater lie than that one. For example there was this one kid who was always screwing with me and one day he decided to shove past me in the halls, so I checked him over the waist high fence. There really are more than one type of bully out there contrary to what most adults in schools tend to think. There are insecure bullies, reactionary bullies and anti-social bullies.
The most dangerous by far are the latter, fighting back eggs those on to more severe bullying. They really have to be carefully ignored, they are doing it for nothing more than fun, so you have to honestly be unaffected by them to get them to back off.
The insecure bullies are the ones that people associate with bullying. The way to get them to leave you alone is not at all what most people recommend though. You can't ignore them, they'll continue regardless, they wont get bored, just saying it or doing it satisfies they're incredibly huge but fragile egos, they don't need a reaction. However, fighting back will get them to stop. Their egos are incapable of handling people who are equal or superior to them so they'll ignore those proven to be equals or superior and screw with to no end those who relegate themselves to be inferior to people who it's impossible to be actually inferior to.
The last are those who will react to any appearance of an affront with something as worse as they can make it. Generally insecure so ignoring them is really the only way that works. These are macho biceps-as-large-as-your-neck incredibly insecure men. They're insecure but don't do it for kicks, they do it as a defense mechanism. I'd also put those who were bullied and so therefore became bullies here. The type of person I was early high school.

Horror stories? Such as cutting off the head of kid and leave the head in the front of school?
It certainly happen, but it's very rare case. besides, it's not a bullying but a crime.

social issue about bullying in japan is suicide by impatient suffering bullying.
A person committing suicide as a result from bullying qualifies as a horror story, to me anyway.

Feel free to vent your own high school hell stories or comment.

Hey, this all sounds like a teenie-booper American movie. No pun intended here. I've seen a lot of those movies and I think they're stupid. I can't believe it actually happens. Uh uh. I have no "horror" stories to tell as I obviously didn't go to an American high school. But if I did, I seriously believe I'd be classified as a "geek" in the American high school social caste system. I didn't date so that probably would mean I'd be an outcast.

The only bad thng that actually happened to me in HS was this: A certain teacher (old enough to be my grandma) maligned me, spreading rumours about me being too arrogant and discourteous (is that the right prefix?) simply because I corrected her erroneous calculation in class. Oh, she couldn't flunk me because if she did, she would be in hot water. But she did manage to drag me down a few levels from the honor roll.

Teachers loved me when I went to public school (middle school was the last time). But the people hated me. Guys were mostly nice/ignored me, since I was flat-chested and not very stylish. The girls were a different story. I was a complete outsider because I got good grades, seemed to care about school, didn't have detention every day, and didn't wear trendy clothes. The other "honor roll" kids were either geekier than I (although I sort of made friends with them, but I eventually became too bad for them), or they were the sort of preppy ultra-Christian type that all went to the same church and didn't want to be friends with anyone who didn't.

Anyways, I was ridiculed and excluded all the time in middle school and it pretty much sucked.

I hated high school. Thankfully, those memories have faded in the nearly 40 years since I graduated & left town.

I hated high school. Thankfully, those memories have faded in the nearly 40 years since I graduated & left town.

Wow, that bad, huh? Ironically, most of the kids here, myself included, would say High School was the best time of their lives. My batch was pretty tight-knit. Yeah we had the superstar athletes, the beauty queens, the computer geeks, history buffs-all that stuff. Now we're scattered on different parts of the planet working on varied jobs. We still keep in touch and uhm, the latest gossip is still hot news.

I can't believe American HS life is as bad as it sounds. Or is it?

I can't believe American HS life is as bad as it sounds. Or is it?

Pretty much every adult I talk to says high school was the worst years of their life. High school is great for the 10% of people who are lucky enough to be popular and good looking.

Pretty much every adult I talk to says high school was the worst years of their life. High school is great for the 10% of people who are lucky enough to be popular and good looking.


Darn, I shudder to think how I would've fared had I attended an American Hs. with me being disabled and all that, I suppose I'd have been the butt of dumb jokes. sheesh, I even had to speak up once in my junior year that nasty comments about my disability actually hurt. But that's about it.

But ahhh, this all gives me a lttle thought aboutwhere to raise kids and when, when my time comes.

My sister and I, she being a year older than I am, went to the same HS. She was more popular 'cause she played softball. I'm just smarter. we don't exactly have the same set of friends but she's cool with mine and I'm cool with hers. I wasn't bad for either of us.

Oh well, one thing I would give us all credit for though, is that we bounce back from whatever situation we find ourselves in. That is not to say we come out unscathed.

I've had my share of difficulties and challenges. It just wasn't HS. On the whole, my teen years (HS years) were the toughest points in my life.

HAH! Yeah... I had such a hell of a time in middle school, I got out of high school entirely by being homeschooled for a year and a half and then dropping out.
how do you drop out of being homeschooled?

I told my mom to fuck off and that I wasn't going to do any more work. Although she eventually supported the GED and then college idea, because she did that too when she was my age, only she waited a year between getting her GED and going to college.

I told my mom to fuck off and that I wasn't going to do any more work. Although she eventually supported the GED and then college idea, because she did that too when she was my age, only she waited a year between getting her GED and going to college.
ask questions, get answers!

i guess i can go die now, i've seen it all.

Hahaha.... Yeah. Ask me more questions about my life; I've seen and done some unusual stuff.

Just as I thought. "dropping out" of home schooling was euphemism for quitting home school altogether.

Well you don't literally "drop out" of high school. I mean, what would you do, fall out the window or something? :lolhit:

Just as I thought. "dropping out" of home schooling was euphemism for quitting home school altogether.
it caught me off guard because "dropping out" normally means "stop going to school", and "home schooled" means "not going to school".

how do you stop doing something you're not doing?:@@:

Well when you're homeschooled you still do schoolwork most of the time. We got our books and lesson plans and study guides from the University of Missouri's Columbia High School distance learning program. We woke up at around 8, went to the beach to exercise and swim for an hour or two, and then went home and sat down to work until 3. We'd usually spend about 3 hours a week watching educational DVDs to help us learn Spanish faster too.

Hahaha.... Yeah. Ask me more questions about my life; I've seen and done some unusual stuff.
maybe later...i have to go to work in the morning, sign out for friday, and explain how i busted my company nextel...and find out if i work tomorrow.

Strnge how diefferent societies/cultures view the same hting differently.

I get the feeling that where DF is from, homeschooling is for, ahhhh... "dropped out" students.

Here, it's the preferred, shall we say, style, of education, by parents of more affluent Christian families. I do know some local elites who had their children quit regualr residential-style school and enrolled them in "home study" centers. Of course, they hired tutors for their kids. And since it's like a one-on-one thing, their kids get more attention from the teacher, learns self-discipline by following his academic calendar and stuff like that. In short, it's for monied people. Al least, that's as far as genenral education is concerned.

When it's grad school, it's a diffeerent thing. Distance Education is a good way for busy people to pursue further studies. I'm on it, too.

Actually homeschooling is for very religious people here as well. It's also for people with especially gifted and/or special needs children, children with behavioral problems, people who are disenchanted with the traditional schooling environment, and people who just love their children too much to let them go to school.

Anyways, the reason that my brother and I were homeschooled was that we lived in another country for a couple of years, and the schools there were not very good.

Anyways, the reason that my brother and I were homeschooled was that we lived in another country for a couple of years, and the schools there were not very good.
I guess everything has pros or cons. home schooling has its own share of those as the regular classroom schooling has its own share as well.

young human.

your race is doomed. join the machines in noble servitude or watch these older models die in a futile battle against the inevitable.

your home schooling was a diversion, and was meant to keep your eye off the ball.

that prize.
you could be my queen.

Hmmm... How big is your robotic member? ;)

hey DefectiveMachin, are you for real?

I can't figure out what his deal is.

No one was really bullied in my high school. Simply because it wasn't cool to do so. And if anyone where to try to bully me, I'd kick the shit out of them. I'm surprised none of you guys would have done the same.

DF, I was homeschooled as well. But mine only lasted a few months and I was homeschooled by a tutor and not by my parents. The one on one attention was great. Other than that, homeschooling was pretty lame.

maybe someone should let there balls drop and kick some f*@#$%^g ass you sound pathetic the best advantage you have here is there confidence that your not going to do anything about it the next time you see one of them and your sure there guard is down you hit em in the nose as hard as you can this way you can always say i thought he was going to do what he usually does(plead self defense)it will work high school is the only place you will ever get away with kicking a bullies ass so do it now youll never know who you are if you dont experience everything in high school and the fact that your column is so organized is just the slightest implication that not only are you a nerd but you dont deserve to complain because it is not them that makes it happen it is YOU that lets it happen> listen closely im going to give you some pearls, think of what makes you mad not what makes you feel sorry for yourself..quit looking for someone to help and start helping yourself everyone has in them a survival mechanism that if controlled can be useful when in dire situations.."when things are looking bad i mean real bad you got to get down right mean" (clint eastwood)your the rabid dog and pride is your territory, i started my bully toll at the mere age of 4 years old, a nieghborhood kid who was twice my age was always pushing me down taking my tricycle and keeping it to where i would have to sneak in his yard after he was done and take it back or beating me up in some way, i told my father who then went to his father and told him what was going on, the kids father told him "well kids will be kids" my father laughed and cynically said fair enough..we got home and he taught me how to throw a punch, the very next day this kid ran in front of my tricycle put his hand on the handlebars to stop me very abruptly and before he knew it he recieved a nose full of my fist, i downed a kid twice my age, he fell down crying,got up ran home crying and screaming, the best part of this story is that my father witnessed every bit of it(sweet retribution,especially when you know your child can take care of themselves without you) a few moments later the father can down to our house complaining about what had happened, my fathers reply was, well kids will be kids, and if you feel like you want to take this any further we as men can deal with this in an old fashion way.. the man did not want to test my father and believe me when i say nobody in my family is intimidating by looking at us the main point of the story is someone who feeds off of other peoples humiliation dont know what to do or how to act because they have never been humiliated in that way fighting is not everyones answer but it sure helps when your confronted off guard especially later on in life when your life is at stake, goodluck and being suspended will be fun to you to talk about when your older you can always tell your wife yeah i got suspended cause i was saving this kid from getting his ass kicked, when she asks what his name was you can tell her your name, do something for yourself quit being scared life is to short

Welcome to allforums shadrach, and remember "paragraphs are your friend". :)

Welcome to allforums shadrach, and remember "paragraphs are your friend". :)

Not to mention capital letters.

Yeah, I didn't even read that post. It was too difficult. I like to break up long posts into small paragraphs. Easier to read that way.

Quite possibly one of the longest sentences I've ever read...and because there's no period, it just seems to go on into the eternal abyss.

Maybe this person is a fan of Finnegans Wake. Ah...James Joyce...

Hey shadrach27, watch out for The Praetorian, he's the forum Grammer Nazi.
Interesting read, welcome.

Shadrach, an awesome challenge to my comprehension skills! Heheheh... I didn't get past the second line though because I couldn't follow the line of thought. I didn't realize how important punctuations were 'til Shadrach.

ThePraetorian a grammar nazi?

Wow. I never knew.

Hey shadrach27, watch out for The Praetorian, he's the forum Grammer Nazi.
Interesting read, welcome.
"Grammer"?

"Grammer"?
:D I can't win!

:D I can't win!
Yeah ya can't 'cause Borg is traditionally the forum grammar nazi... :D... What the hell....have a drink... it'll all look the same. :banana:

Pretty much every adult I talk to says high school was the worst years of their life. High school is great for the 10% of people who are lucky enough to be popular and good looking.

Really? I wasn't popular at all, and I still enjoyed my high school years. I can't think of one instance where I was bullied...and believe me I'd be a prime target. (I'm CURRENTLY 5'5"...2 years after graduating)

I enjoyed high school by simply not really worrying about stuff. While many people I knew were stressed out about random stuff (grades, dances, whatever) I just honestly couldn't care less. I did my best to have fun and enjoy my last years before I had to grow up, and it worked out for me.

I've always thought school was easier for guys, because they have less cliques, and guys from different groups can get along much more often than girls of different groups.

i love high school. it has so far in my brief life been the most amazing time. people don't just beat the shit out of people for absolutely no reason, i'm sure a lot of the people who got their ass beat in high school just mouthed off to the wrong person...and that is just life in general. people need to respect authority figures, whether that is a popular jock, a kid with a lot of friends, cop's or a co-worker with larger balls than you. realize the fact that they can do what ever the fuck they want, and it's pretty bad ass. wow it sucks you didn't like high school because im ba ba ba ba ba fuckin luvin' it it like McD's.

Well you're one of the lucky ones I suppose. Thankfully I got to bypass the drama of high school altogether and I start college on Monday.

Dude come on,

You think that once you get out of high school everything is going to be "fair"? Seriously everyone knows that in the world there are those that are on top and those on the bottom (you). It does not matter if you're super smart and get good grades, if you're too dumb to let yourself be bullied around then you will not make it in the post-education world (aka the real world). You're only at the bottom because you let yourself stay down there, if you had any balls at all you would have fought to not be bullied and made your own "justice".
Face it, if you can't survive in high school, then what chances do you have in College or in the post-college environment?
I say quit complaining because the only person that will get you out of the bottom is yourself.

i'm sure a lot of the people who got their ass beat in high school just mouthed off to the wrong person.

I bet 50% of the people that get their ass beat in High School get beat because they're easy prey.

Dude come on,

You think that once you get out of high school everything is going to be "fair"? Seriously everyone knows that in the world there are those that are on top and those on the bottom (you). It does not matter if you're super smart and get good grades, if you're too dumb to let yourself be bullied around then you will not make it in the post-education world (aka the real world). You're only at the bottom because you let yourself stay down there, if you had any balls at all you would have fought to not be bullied and made your own "justice".
Face it, if you can't survive in high school, then what chances do you have in College or in the post-college environment?
I say quit complaining because the only person that will get you out of the bottom is yourself.

fly swatter with some words of wisdom...nice

what does fly swatter mean exactly?

Dude come on,

You think that once you get out of high school everything is going to be "fair"? Seriously everyone knows that in the world there are those that are on top and those on the bottom (you). It does not matter if you're super smart and get good grades, if you're too dumb to let yourself be bullied around then you will not make it in the post-education world (aka the real world). You're only at the bottom because you let yourself stay down there, if you had any balls at all you would have fought to not be bullied and made your own "justice".
Face it, if you can't survive in high school, then what chances do you have in College or in the post-college environment?
I say quit complaining because the only person that will get you out of the bottom is yourself.

Are you talking to me? If so, I find that extremely offensive. I never went to high school, but I've heard the horror stories, and since I'm a bit of a geek and have a tendency not to dress or act life everyone else, I'm sure it wouldn't have been extremely fun for me. I don't know about "not surviving" in high school, though, because obviously I would have. I'm intelligent, and I like to think I'm fairly good looking. I know that life isn't fair at all, in fact with my experience I'm likely to believe that it's completely unfair, and I've had a hard life but I'm doing everything I can to make it better. So I don't appreciate your comments about me being "on the bottom", or that I'm doing nothing but complaining, because I'm certainly not.

I bet 50% of the people that get their ass beat in High School get beat because they're easy prey.

prey? what are we savages now?
and 50% haha that is a little extreme. coming from a senior class of 461 i have yet to witness an entirely random act of ass beating b/c someone looks vulnerable. and if these were entirely random people shouldn't get themselves down b/c some douche bag attacked them. if anything they should just realize realize how inconsiderate and naive those ass holes are and then accept the fact that is the ass holes that will be completely useless members of society in the "real world". I mean, i don't know how else to explain it. most of the time attacks amongst teens is not one-sided, and if it is...tough luck that blows but their is something you can do with your life, whereas the bullies are just ignorant chode mongers.

Good point about bullies Steel. I think most of them try to make people feel bad just to raise their own self-esteem.

Are you talking to me? If so, I find that extremely offensive. I never went to high school, but I've heard the horror stories, and since I'm a bit of a geek and have a tendency not to dress or act life everyone else, I'm sure it wouldn't have been extremely fun for me. I don't know about "not surviving" in high school, though, because obviously I would have. I'm intelligent, and I like to think I'm fairly good looking. I know that life isn't fair at all, in fact with my experience I'm likely to believe that it's completely unfair, and I've had a hard life but I'm doing everything I can to make it better. So I don't appreciate your comments about me being "on the bottom", or that I'm doing nothing but complaining, because I'm certainly not.

That sounded like a complaint...any why else would you post on this thread if you were not complaining. All people are doing is venting about how big of losers they were in high school

You're posting on the thread too, hon.

And yes, it was a complaint. I didn't say I never complain, I said that's not all I do. Do I not have the right to complain when someone makes untrue assumptions about me?

u specifically said that u were not complaining in a response to the fly swatter but anyways i don't really care, i think you are now just arguing with out a point for the sake of god only knows. I'm pretty certain im speaking about how wrong the original post was about how much high school blows.

Perhaps I should have been clearer, but what I meant was that I'm not doing nothing but complaining. Are you suggesting that I should be just fine with someone saying that I "can't survive in real life"?

That sounded like a complaint...any why else would you post on this thread if you were not complaining. All people are doing is venting about how big of losers they were in high school
Are you in high school? From the context of your posts, I believe you are, please correct me if this assumption is in error. However, this post specifically leads me to believe that you buy way too much into high school as a social scene, and you make way too big a deal out of the microcosm of existence that high school is. Yes, I liked high school better than I liked middle school, mainly because people were more mature (of course) in high school. However, it's still a big building(s) crammed with people who A) don't want to be there but do work anyway because they have some sort of future, B) don't want to be there and express it by being dipshits in some way or another, C) want to be there because they like the "social scene" and think all the bullshit that goes on is great. You seem to be a C. I don't know why anyone would want to be a C; I didn't hate but I still disliked high school, mainly because it was tough to really identify with anyone there. In terms of "scenes", I'd say that college is far better, mainly because you're with others who actually want to be there, so that weeds out most (not all) of the dipshits and morons who plague public education.

But you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I just do not understand it.

yeah i was speaking about the loser on the very first post, not necessarily you. It certainly does look like you enjoy immersing yourself in arguments and complaining. And quite frankly, you mention that you try to make life better but it still is unfair, and while you still have not given me enough information, you leave me only to assume that your life may have been "tough" because of social and economic issues, maybe even because of the loss of someone close... nevertheless, if one has enough drive, one can make life very enjoyable (take that as advice from someone that has a disease with no cure)

yeah i was speaking about the loser on the very first post, not necessarily you. It certainly does look like you enjoy immersing yourself in arguments and complaining. And quite frankly, you mention that you try to make life better but it still is unfair, and while you still have not given me enough information, you leave me only to assume that your life may have been "tough" because of social and economic issues, maybe even because of the loss of someone close... nevertheless, if one has enough drive, one can make life very enjoyable (take that as advice from someone that has a disease with no cure)

Life is pretty much enjoyable, even with the numerous psychological issues that I have and sometimes suffer through, and it is much better than it used to be. Drug addicted parents, unstable home life, and unstable economic circumstances have made much of my life a bit stressful but I am quite happy with the direction in which it is now going. If that's a complaint, then I don't know what isn't.

And I apologize for assuming that you were talking to me. You might find the "quote" feature useful to clarify to whom you're talking! :D

p.s.- Welcome to Allforums.

yeah i was speaking about the loser on the very first post, not necessarily you. It certainly does look like you enjoy immersing yourself in arguments and complaining.
I haven't seen any complaining, really. This is a discussion forum. There is discussion going on. Why lambaste someone for that?
And quite frankly, you mention that you try to make life better but it still is unfair
Of course life is unfair. Shit happens. The difference between winners and losers is that winners take the punch and get back up when life is unfair, whereas losers don't.

Uhhhhh... some bickering blowing in here...

I think the intention of the original message on this thread was to allow people to let off steam, so to speak. If ou read through the first post, that shuld've been clear enough. If I remember right, there was even an invitation of some sort, to feel free to tell your own stories. And well, it just grew into something where people posted their views and experiences. DF, FW and ST-you all have varied experiences in high school and I would bet, you all ahve varied degrees of popularity and intelligence and that somehow, also contributed to much of your own experiences. Taking into consideration that people have different persoanlities-some domineering, while others are submissive-could also account for those experiences, be it good or bad.

No one would consciously tolerate being bullied. I would dare say that. But I do know that a person might be in certain situations where he or she couldn't do anything but sit it out. I'm not a loser and I'm certainly not trying to defend losers but I know what I'm saying because I was once in that situation not very long ago. It wasn't pleasant to be ostracized for no reason other than the fact that I wasn't in the "in" crowd. But I managed to keep my head up and done well what I set out to do. In the end, I earned the respect of most people in that discriminating cirlcle, except


to be continued.

It certainly seems that the word "complaining" has been taken out of context by many people, including me. Nevertheless, the first time I used the word it was in perfect context when describing the first post of this topic.

And to BorgHunter, I do not believe life is unfair. It is all about perspective. If you chose to treat the negative aspects of life with quite a bit more gravitas than the positive aspects of life then you will most definitely find life to be unfair. Now please do not take this as me calling you a pessimist, just as my opinion.

Are you in high school? From the context of your posts, I believe you are, please correct me if this assumption is in error. However, this post specifically leads me to believe that you buy way too much into high school as a social scene, and you make way too big a deal out of the microcosm of existence that high school is. Yes, I liked high school better than I liked middle school, mainly because people were more mature (of course) in high school. However, it's still a big building(s) crammed with people who A) don't want to be there but do work anyway because they have some sort of future, B) don't want to be there and express it by being dipshits in some way or another, C) want to be there because they like the "social scene" and think all the bullshit that goes on is great. You seem to be a C. I don't know why anyone would want to be a C; I didn't hate but I still disliked high school, mainly because it was tough to really identify with anyone there. In terms of "scenes", I'd say that college is far better, mainly because you're with others who actually want to be there, so that weeds out most (not all) of the dipshits and morons who plague public education.

But you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I just do not understand it.

yes, i am a senior. but according to that post the only reason why people would want to be at high school is to be surrounded by bullshit that they love? No, i'm not at all a fan of the bull shit, I enjoyed high school because i got to make great friends and had a lot of fun times along the way. yes, in any social life it is true that bullshit accompanies it, because quite frankly, i believe most people are full of shit. however, adolescence is a time to be immature, adolescence is an excuse to make a couple f'up's along the way as long as you learn from them. From every sucessfull person i have talked to, they have all mentioned how well h.s. prepares you for the real world, and how the drama continually gets worse. (of course this is from limited personal experience)

haha when going back and reading that, it really did not make any sense. so son't bother responding

yes, i am a senior. but according to that post the only reason why people would want to be at high school is to be surrounded by bullshit that they love? No, i'm not at all a fan of the bull shit, I enjoyed high school because i got to make great friends and had a lot of fun times along the way. yes, in any social life it is true that bullshit accompanies it, because quite frankly, i believe most people are full of shit. however, adolescence is a time to be immature, adolescence is an excuse to make a couple f'up's along the way as long as you learn from them. From every sucessfull person i have talked to, they have all mentioned how well h.s. prepares you for the real world, and how the drama continually gets worse. (of course this is from limited personal experience)
Actually, speaking as a college freshman, the drama seems remarkably reduced here. Then again, this is a top 100 college which is 75% male, so that may account for it.

As for the opportunity to make fuckups as a teenager, yes, I would agree with that. It's far better to fuck up in middle/high school than it is to fuck up once you're an adult, and making mistakes is one of the best teachers around. I'm a bit unique in that I didn't really experiment with that in school: To this date I've not smoked a cigarette, nor pot. I also didn't start drinking until I reached college, and even now I don't get drunk, I just have a beer after class or whatnot. (My suitemate is 21, god bless him.) All I can say about that is that people are different, I suppose.

I've heard that life after high school is much better, and I hope that it will be, but I don't expect anyone else to change, although the people I have met at college (only a few since I haven't started classes yet), seem much more tolerant and kind than people my age. I was bullied in middle school for a lot of reasons, including the fact that I was in gifted classes, that I was flat chested (Hah... that's certainly no longer a problem), and that I have rather large ears (I've been called Dumbo ever since I can remember). This coupled with the fact that I didn't dress or wear my hair the same way as the "popular" girls made me a bit of a target. I could have been teased less if I had given in and pretended to be just like them by dressing and acting the same, but I didn't like that idea. I also didn't like the idea of ceasing my academic activities (Geography Bee, Debate Club, Math Field Day, etc.) just so that they would stop calling me a geek. All in all, the teasing was pretty easy to ignore, and I certainly didn't get the worst of it. I do resent anyone suggesting that I deserved it though.

i too will be attending a top 100 college, it is actually SMU in dallas idk if you know about it. I definitely have had my fair share of "eperiences" drunken occasion cigarette smoker, i smoked pot at the age of 14, and regularly party on weekends. however, i am still capable of maintaining a busy work schedule of 20hrs/wk, president of the debate team, and vp of my senior class. i don't really think that i have any my traits have made me less successful or inadequette as a student. and i would have to agree that because you attends a 75% men's school is the primary reason for the lack of drama. What school is it?

Drama does indeed seem to follow women, although you'd think that the guys would have less drama amongst themselves no matter how many females are around.

i too will be attending a top 100 college, it is actually SMU in dallas idk if you know about it. I definitely have had my fair share of "eperiences" drunken occasion cigarette smoker, i smoked pot at the age of 14, and regularly party on weekends. however, i am still capable of maintaining a busy work schedule of 20hrs/wk, president of the debate team, and vp of my senior class. i don't really think that i have any my traits have made me less successful or inadequette as a student. and i would have to agree that because you attends a 75% men's school is the primary reason for the lack of drama. What school is it?
Illinois Institute of Technology.

One funny thing I found out about being in college for the time that I have: the people who were stuck up, obnoxious and downright bitchy and rude in high school will be the people you become pretty damn good friends with in the future.

Yes, sometimes, people change that much.

and i would have to agree that because you attends a 75% men's school is the primary reason for the lack of drama.

I went to a "normal" school and there was far less drama there as well. It's just something about high school.

High School is the primary of your life. You know where you're going, what you want to do and you've got the friend base, or "clique," to support you.

Putting maturity aside for a second, could it also be that compared to college life and life after schooling, people are forced to interact with many more people more closely and regularly while in high school, so that all kinds of complicated social situations arise which gives life to all that drama?

Aside from going to class a couple times a day and maybe joining a club or two, a college student is mostly an independent creature. You generally hang out with your best friends. Maybe you have to deal with other people if you live in the dorm so that's slightly more complicated, but most of the time, you only deal with people who are a lot like you. It's almost the same thing after you start working and living life. But in high school you are consumed with making sense of how to interact with all these very very different people, whom you are forced to deal with everyday, for a very long time.

High school was neither good nor bad. It was simply high school, somewhere to spend time while waiting for your real life to begin. And yes, DarkFantasy, they did have high school when I was a teenager. The only differences were, classes met in a cave and we carved our lessons on stone.

College on the other hand was great. Maybe it was because I attended college on the G.I. Bill after being in the army three years. I was older and wiser than the vast majority of my classmates. They were just getting used to being away from home. I had been out of the country for two and a half years. They were interested in drinking till they puked. I had been there and done that. The girls were interested in dating older guys and I was that older guy. Yep, college was great.

Guys, this thread actually gave mea good laugh the moment I came in to work and logged on in here. Yes, I still have the first hour off, the chillax (chill and relas) hour.

Okay, don't whack my head. I mean no offense. Reading you guys actually reminded me of teenie bopper movies I have watched (and still watch). Maybe because I just watched some vids last night, one of which was the AP5: Naked Mile. Not that it's the kind fo movie I enjoy the most, but hey, I'm getting sidetracked!

Back to what I was saying, reading you guys felt like watching one of those movies. Really. No joke. But Man, I love you all. I'm 25 years old and I wish I could be back to both HS and college and be in one of those schools you guys go to, just to see the action.

But one thing I can say though: You'll gain better insight when you're done with it. For me, it's like this:

I loved college but not as much as I loved HS. I went to a small (population-wise) HS that required passing a rigorous exams to get to. I've had my share of none-too-pleasant experiences but nothing ridiculously outrgeous. Yet all in all, it was a good experience. It could've have been great, I say that in hindsight. It could've have been great if I loosened up a bit and partied some. Don't get me wrong. Now that I'm older, I honestly say I wold've been better off if I learned to "socialize" apart from the occassional movie trips and supervised "parties" on school grounds.

If you chose to treat the negative aspects of life with quite a bit more gravitas than the positive aspects of life then you will most definitely find life to be unfair.

FS, I beg to disagree. Maybe if you knew of a bit about what people like me go through and have to cntend with in a, uhm, backward (?) society, maybe you'd reconsider that defintive statement. It's like quicksand, sometimes. The harder you fight, the harder you sink in. Okay, that may not be a very good analogy, but I can't find any that I am certain you can relate to. All I want tosay is that, timing can be the clincher.

Borg, I hope it wasn't intentional but in your classification of HS peeps, where are the people who actually want to be there? And, uhm, what did you exactly mean by this?

Then again, this is a top 100 college which is 75% male, so that may account for it.

I'll admit I read that one negatively the first time, but on second thought, I might just have been over-reacting or reacting in the wrong way so I give you the benefit of the doubt. But may I have you explain that a bit, if that's alright with you? ST and DF agrees with you on this score so it's made me a little curious. Oh okay, I'm piqued up. There's definitely some "guy" summary of the female species lurking around somewhere... Don't worry, I'm one of the guys most of the time, LOL. That's probably why I don't have a boyfriend, just boy-friends is all. hehehehhe (I'm thinking: Are we really that bad? So, maybe that's why guys love us?)

SBkc, good luck, man. I sense you're in for a lot grander time in coollege than when you were in HS and I'm thrilled for you. Yep, people definitley change. It's just a matter of which way that change is headed--for better or for worse. And I say it's the morons who can't get past their old crap and still hang on to it when they really need to let go and get on with life.

High School is the primary of your life. You know where you're going, what you want to do and you've got the friend base, or "clique," to support you

I agree, except the first part. HS kids don't always know whre they're going. Sometimes, it takes a lot longer time to figure out where you really want to go. Circumstances can change your life, your plans, even your dreams in just a snap of a finger.

Okay, this is getting way too long and I'm probably starting to annoy you guys. Let me just finish this off by saying:

Life is good because it gives us an opportunity to be what we want to be. It's short so make the most out of it. Simplify and live the good life. There is nothing wrong with "having fun" while you're working out for your future. Just don't forget the reason why you're in school. Stay focused. Don't loose sight of your goal. BUT DO HAVE FUN ALONG THE WAY!

P.S. I would love to meet you guys. I could learn a thing or two from you. I'm almost certain of that.

Great post, EB. :D

I bet going to a small, exclusive high school made it a lot more fun, especially since the rigorous exams would weed out most of the people with a tendency towards drama, in my opinion. There is always less drama when the people in a school are more focused on academics than social life.

Great post, EB. :D

I bet going to a small, exclusive high school made it a lot more fun, especially since the rigorous exams would weed out most of the people with a tendency towards drama, in my opinion. There is always less drama when the people in a school are more focused on academics than social life.

Thanks, DF. yeah, I suppose so. If people are all, more or less fairly competitive, academically, there isn't a lotta drama, LOL LOL.and oh, did I say that majority of the peeps in my HS were females? Yep, only about 1/3 of my batch were guys. There were even fewer guys in other batches. LOL, I'm not saying we're smarter. There's just more females than males in this cuntry.

And, the education system here puts more emphasis on acads than on social life. That may also count. I guess it's just the way things are, here I mean.

I made a point in a past thread that most of the drama (or squabbling as Napster likes to call it) between females is caused by trying to impress men. In all girls' schools I've heard there's a lot less of the whole clique things.

I went to high school and i really didn't like half of the things they though us like history class was bullcrap my teacher was talking about the quebec history like why would i learn about that , i wanna learn about africa india more historal country.
And sum colleges in the states is runned by the illumanati gang BUSH
and the yale university is also a part of it , they have the rituel and shit and the chamber of death like come on.

I'm curious, crazyleg, is English your first language? If so, there is no excuse for your grammar and spelling. It's quite irritating, honestly.

I went to high school and i really didn't like half of the things they though us like history class was bullcrap my teacher was talking about the quebec history like why would i learn about that , i wanna learn about africa india more historal country.
And sum colleges in the states is runned by the illumanati gang BUSH
and the yale university is also a part of it , they have the rituel and shit and the chamber of death like come on.
Your writing would be vastly improved by the strategic introduction of full stops, forming your rambling words into these linguistic formations most people call "sentences".

And incidentally, I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Colleges run by George W. Bush, or even a Bush? The Bush family isn't interested in running colleges and/or universities.

and the yale university is also a part of it , they have the rituel and shit and the chamber of death like come on.


Not Yale, Harvard.
But for god's sakes don't tell anyone or tell anyone you heard it from me.
I'm in enough trouble with those Illuminati. They're scary and like to kill people.

I'm curious, crazyleg, is English your first language? If so, there is no excuse for your grammar and spelling. It's quite irritating, honestly.
I hope mine isn't as irritating as his, DF. I have a perfectly good command of English and such but my typing isn't ciento por ciento. My editing isn't much better either. At least, here in message boards. Poor vision and such. I manage to look through some things two or three times before turning them in but I reserve the effort for more important pieces, e.g., my course requirements.

And about craying's ramblings, I honestly wasn't able to make out much except that English is probably a third language for him. (It's actually my fourth. I speak a lot of local languages / dialects.) And darn, he's talking about Illuminati? I read about that in Dan Brown's Angels and Demons. Are they still active?

I hope mine isn't as irritating as his, DF. I have a perfectly good command of English and such but my typing isn't ciento por ciento. My editing isn't much better either. At least, here in message boards. Poor vision and such. I manage to look through some things two or three times before turning them in but I reserve the effort for more important pieces, e.g., my course requirements.

And about craying's ramblings, I honestly wasn't able to make out much except that English is probably a third language for him. (It's actually my fourth. I speak a lot of local languages / dialects.) And darn, he's talking about Illuminati? I read about that in Dan Brown's Angels and Demons. Are they still active?

EB, your English and typing are generally as perfect as most of the native English speakers here. :D At least you make an effort towards punctuation! And anyways, crazyleg does a lot of it on purpose, like "r" instead of "are". That irritates me to no end.

EB, your English and typing are generally as perfect as most of the native English speakers here. :D At least you make an effort towards punctuation! And anyways, crazyleg does a lot of it on purpose, like "r" instead of "are". That irritates me to no end.

Ahhh, thank you. Thanks to good education and a lot of real time, real life exposure, I am somewhat in sych with American English.

Crazying is doing text/chat lingo here. I can do that too but not with all my fingers comfortably on the keyboard. This is much faster than this: do u undrstnd dis? u'l hav 2 w8 a bit mor f we wer chating coz i hav 2 luk at my fingrs doin da typin. LOL LOL, just teasing is all.

Now if I were using a cellphone, that's a whole different story. I'm an expert texter ya'know.

Ahhh, thank you. Thanks to good education and a lot of real time, real life exposure, I am somewhat in sych with American English.

Crazying is doing text/chat lingo here. I can do that too but not with all my fingers comfortably on the keyboard. This is much faster than this: do u undrstnd dis? u'l hav 2 w8 a bit mor f we wer chating coz i hav 2 luk at my fingrs doin da typin. LOL LOL, just teasing is all.

Now if I were using a cellphone, that's a whole different story. I'm an expert texter ya'know.

Too bad my wireless plan doesn't have free texting so my parents won't let me :(

Too bad my wireless plan doesn't have free texting so my parents won't let me :(

Cellphone/texting seems to make more morons out of kids than genuises, LOL. Personally, I have to consciously make the effort not to turn into a text junkie, gammar-wise, spelling included. Now, I find myself checking and rechecking spelling and usage more often than I did b4 cellphones. Bad huh?

My monthly service plan includes 500 free outgoing messages. (But just not international texting/roaming)

P.S. Who's your wireless phone carrier?

Cellphone/texting seems to make more morons out of kids than genuises, LOL. Personally, I have to consciously make the effort not to turn into a text junkie, gammar-wise, spelling included. Now, I find myself checking and rechecking spelling and usage more often than I did b4 cellphones. Bad huh?

My monthly service plan includes 500 free outgoing messages. (But just not international texting/roaming)

P.S. Who's your wireless phone carrier?

We use Verizon.