Saddam Hussein is scheduled to be executed.

Is the execution a mistake or the correct course of action?

Will his execution remove a rallying point or will it create a martyr?

In a word, yes.

Saddam Hussein is scheduled to be executed.
Is the execution a mistake or the correct course of action?
Will his execution remove a rallying point or will it create a martyr?

Lets put all these "Presidents" (of many countries together) and see who throws the first stone.

He deserves to be executed as much as any other "president", including GWB.

Saddam Hussein is scheduled to be executed.

Is the execution a mistake or the correct course of action?

Will his execution remove a rallying point or will it create a martyr?

well, if he didn't want to be executed, he should have let the U.N. weapons inspectors do their job. he knew what was coming.

He's been tried and convicted. Let the sentence be carried out.

Saddam Hussein is scheduled to be executed.

Is the execution a mistake or the correct course of action?

Will his execution remove a rallying point or will it create a martyr?He should absolutely be executed. We don't really have to worry about him becoming a martyr because he's not exactly Mr. Popularity anyway. His loyalists already took up arms a long time ago, and I don't see any new ones being made out of this.

If Hell exists, I would want to see Saddam die now and head straight there.

I dont agree with executions.
I heard on a talk radio station yesterday that the US Army are holding Saddam and that a circuit court judge in DC must sign a release document before he can be handed over to the Iraqis for execution.
Any comments on that please?

I dont agree with executions.
I heard on a talk radio station yesterday that the US Army are holding Saddam and that a circuit court judge in DC must sign a release document before he can be handed over to the Iraqis for execution.
Any comments on that please?

considering the the Iraqis have a line going around the block and 3 streets down of volunteers to pull the lever, and the other half is looking to spring him, i think it's a good idea. it's the only way he'd make it to the gallows.

(which we built-nice of us, eh?)

I dont agree with executions.
Not even in the case of a brutal dictator?
I heard on a talk radio station yesterday that the US Army are holding Saddam and that a circuit court judge in DC must sign a release document before he can be handed over to the Iraqis for execution.
Any comments on that please?
Probably true, as I've heard that Hussein is being kept by US soldiers in a secure location.

Since I am anti-death penalty I don't think he should be executed. No, Evakian, not even though he is a brutal dictator.

It is easy to not want to execute some two bit criminal. It is a lot harder to stick by your individual code of ethics when it is a mass murderer involved.

Since I've been to Iraq, met the people, and spoken to many who were victimized by he and his henchmen, I feel comfortable rendering my opinion on the matter.

I think that after starving for about a week, Saddam Hussein should be fed a big, heaping bowl of spicy hot, Texas-style chili. Chock full of jalapeno peppers, angus beef, ground pork, habaneros, fresh tomatos, pinto beans, and lots of ground-up glass and clock springs.

Then he should be lashed to a tall, sturdy pole in the city plaza.
When the pain from the glass and metal shards begin tearing at his guts, and Saddam begins to beg for mercy, he should have his belly slashed wide open and his guts spilled onto the cobblestones.

Then you release the hungry dogs.

Since I've been to Iraq, met the people, and spoken to many who were victimized by he and his henchmen, I feel comfortable rendering my opinion on the matter.

I think that after starving for about a week, Saddam Hussein should be fed a big, heaping bowl of spicy hot, Texas-style chili. Chock full of jalapeno peppers, angus beef, ground pork, habaneros, fresh tomatos, pinto beans, and lots of ground-up glass and clock springs.

Then he should be lashed to a tall, sturdy pole in the city plaza.
When the pain from the glass and metal shards begin tearing at his guts, and Saddam begins to beg for mercy, he should have his belly slashed wide open and his guts spilled onto the cobblestones.

Then you release the hungry dogs.
I knew you were more than just a funny guy. Thanks for a rare, but appreciated, informed opinion.

I'll provide the chili... and the dogs.

Since I've been to Iraq, met the people, and spoken to many who were victimized by he and his henchmen, I feel comfortable rendering my opinion on the matter.

I think that after starving for about a week, Saddam Hussein should be fed a big, heaping bowl of spicy hot, Texas-style chili. Chock full of jalapeno peppers, angus beef, ground pork, habaneros, fresh tomatos, pinto beans, and lots of ground-up glass and clock springs.

Then he should be lashed to a tall, sturdy pole in the city plaza.
When the pain from the glass and metal shards begin tearing at his guts, and Saddam begins to beg for mercy, he should have his belly slashed wide open and his guts spilled onto the cobblestones.

Then you release the hungry dogs.
Glad to see you havnt taken this personally, Spark.

Since I've been to Iraq, met the people, and spoken to many who were victimized by he and his henchmen, I feel comfortable rendering my opinion on the matter.

I think that after starving for about a week, Saddam Hussein should be fed a big, heaping bowl of spicy hot, Texas-style chili. Chock full of jalapeno peppers, angus beef, ground pork, habaneros, fresh tomatos, pinto beans, and lots of ground-up glass and clock springs.

Then he should be lashed to a tall, sturdy pole in the city plaza.
When the pain from the glass and metal shards begin tearing at his guts, and Saddam begins to beg for mercy, he should have his belly slashed wide open and his guts spilled onto the cobblestones.

Then you release the hungry dogs.

Mmmmmm...habaneros!

I think he should be executed. Sure, the reasons we went to Iraq were wrong, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't rid the world of a despicable mass murderer.

I think he should be.

No, he should rot in a prison cell.

Executing him will only turn him into a Marytr.

bummer-you're out voted.

I didn't realize that it was a vote.

Sucks being outvoted when you know you are right.

Well im gonna vote a whole lotta times, thats what we do here.

No, he should rot in a prison cell.

Executing him will only turn him into a Marytr.
A martyr to what? Genocidal dictators everywhere?

I didn't realize that it was a vote.

Sucks being outvoted when you know you are right.

You can't be right when it's a matter of opinion.

No, he shouldn't be executed, but I'm against the death penalty as a rule anyway.

But I see no reason why he should be any different than other people who get the death penalty. What he did was worse than a lot of people who have been executed; in that vein, sure, go ahead. I won't shed any tears over his execution. No great loss. I just question the authority of the government to be ending lives in general.

Well then, perhaps we should have a corporation do it...

If not the government, then who?

No on the execution, for the same reason Frogger gave. I'm against the death penalty, and I see no reason, other than emotion, to treat him any differently. Revenge isn't a good motive to do anything, especially kill.

I’m for the death penalty in this specific case.

Saddam killed innocent people.
Killing Saddam would, however, be killing a guilty man.
Which takes away the hypocrisy in my opinion.

It doesn't take away the hypocrisy, but sometimes being a hypocrite isn't the worst thing ever.

If killing a mass murderer makes me a hypocrite, then make that my first name.

And Vile, make vengeance my middle name.

What an awesome name.

Moving post

It doesn't take away the hypocrisy, but sometimes being a hypocrite isn't the worst thing ever.
Yes, it does.

Saddam killing innocent people.
Saddam is now guilty of murder, so we are killing a guilty person for an actual, valid reason.

Those things are not the same in the least.

Sure why not... i mean, he's not in power any more, so whatever happens to him is pretty redundant to me, and i really have no control over it.

But to be honest, i wouldn't mind if they just kill him, or if they allow every Iraqi and American Soldier to line up and take dumps on his face with his jaw locked open just so he gets a "taste" of how he treated others.

Well then, perhaps we should have a corporation do it...
I don't think anyone has the moral authority to be ending lives.

I don't think anyone has the moral authority to be ending lives.

Bah... It was a joke...

Well im gonna vote a whole lotta times, thats what we do here.
you're in Chicago?

I didn't realize that it was a vote.

Sucks being outvoted when you know you are right.
if it's make you feel better, neither of our votes count-only his juror's did.

he's their rabid dog, they have to shoot him.

I don't think anyone has the moral authority to be ending lives.
hopefully you'll never come across the situation that will change your mind.

Bah... It was a joke...
and it was funny:lolhit:

I don't think anyone has the moral authority to be ending lives.

Anybody can have moral authority, simply by believing one does. Morality is wholly personal, and there can be no universal code of morality existant to everybody. Only disparate belief systems.

Lets be honest here, the world is a better place that Saddam isnt in power anymore,
I said at the time that the US Patrol who caught him would have been better off plugging him, then filling in the hole and saying nothing.
Unfortunatly the US Government used his capture as a political goal, and now he will surely die.

What about filling in the hole and not wasting a bullet?

By the sound of news reports this morning, their gonna have to dig another hole soon.

Good point, Socialist.

Lets put all these "Presidents" (of many countries) together and see who throws the first stone. He (Saddam) deserves to be executed as much as any other "president"....

I say let him live.

If one wants to start throwing the word hypocrisy around, perhaps we could begin by examining how Saddam gained and sustained power and was in a position to kill so many innocents. Should anything be done to them? Place a madman in power and one gets mad behaviour. That's okay as long as the mad behaviour suits the purpose and goal of the puppetmaster. As soon as it doesn't well suddenly there are boundaries and ethics involved.

Any kind of punishment can be viewed as hypocrisy. Afterall, you're making someone suffer for causing the suffering of others. It doesn't matter if you're taking their money, freedom, or life; you're still harming the person in some way in order to carry out justice. So the death penalty may be hypocritical, but no more so than other forms of punishment.

Any kind of punishment can be viewed as hypocrisy. Afterall, you're making someone suffer for causing the suffering of others. It doesn't matter if you're taking their money, freedom, or life; you're still harming the person in some way in order to carry out justice. So the death penalty may be hypocritical, but no more so than other forms of punishment.

No Jester I can not see the parallel simply because the pain inflicted in the first instance was inflicted upon innocents. It was not done in order to defend or save, it was done out of pure malice. In the second instance the pain is inflicted upon the guilty as a punishment for hurting others. I would say therefore it is not hypocritical but rather deserved.

The question then becomes degree of punishment and what the majority find to be acceptable.

If one wants to start throwing the word hypocrisy around, perhaps we could begin by examining how Saddam gained and sustained power and was in a position to kill so many innocents.

The Rightwingers remain blissfully --albeit willfully-- ignorant of how that came about.

Saddam had the power he did and was in a position to kill as many as he did because he was the best buddy of the U.S. Government during the Eighties under Reagan/Bush, and because Reagan/Bush okayed U.S. corporations providing Saddam with the materiel to make biological and chemical weapons.

http://ice.citizenlab.org/archives/images/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg

While they had a use for Saddam as their pit bull, the uber-Conservative SOBs running the USGovernment had the attitude -- "Go ahead Saddam!...kill whoever you want to. We'll help you by providing you materiel for chemical and biological weapons with which to do the killing".

Later, as soon as the scummy Rightwing political cabal in this country no longer had a use for Saddam, they suddenly did a 180 and began to cry --"Why, that Saddam is a evil dictator who kills people! He must be removed!"

In the second instance the pain is inflicted upon the guilty as a punishment for hurting others. I would say therefore it is ... deserved.

Ok, I'm confused. In the "executioner" thread, you seem to argue rather strongly against the death penalty, but here you say that "inflicting pain upon the guilty as a punishment for hurting others" is deserved.

Can you explain your position a bit further?

The question then becomes degree of punishment and what the majority find to be acceptable.

Like it or not, the death penalty exists in the US (as decided upon by a majority of voters in individual states), and it would appear that the citizens of these death-penalty states believe that type of punishment is acceptable or they wouldn't have voted for it.

What I cant understand about US Executions is:
Why use a sterile needle, know what a mean.

Like it or not, the death penalty exists in the US (as decided upon by a majority of voters in individual states), and it would appear that the citizens of these death-penalty states believe that type of punishment is acceptable or they wouldn't have voted for it.

Aaaaah!!!!, the DICTATORSHIP of the PSEUDO Christian majority!!!!, now I understand...

A pseudo-Christian drunk staggers out of a bar and runs right into two priests. He says, "I'm Jesus Christ."

The first priest says, "No, son, you're not." So the drunk makes same declaration to the second priest. The second priest says, "No, son, you're not."

The drunk says, "Look, I can prove it." He turns and walks back into the bar with the two priests.

The bartender takes one look at the drunk and exclaims, "Jesus Christ, you're here again?"
:banana: :banana:

Ok, I'm confused. In the "executioner" thread, you seem to argue rather strongly against the death penalty, but here you say that "inflicting pain upon the guilty as a punishment for hurting others" is deserved.

Can you explain your position a bit further?
I believe that crimes against an individual or society may warrant punishment or restitution. Sometimes both. I wish the victim was always given restitution actually.



Like it or not, the death penalty exists in the US (as decided upon by a majority of voters in individual states), and it would appear that the citizens of these death-penalty states believe that type of punishment is acceptable or they wouldn't have voted for it Yes they do find it acceptable. Doesn't make it right though does it?

A pseudo-Christian drunk staggers out of a bar and runs right into two priests. He says, "I'm Jesus Christ."

The first priest says, "No, son, you're not." So the drunk makes same declaration to the second priest. The second priest says, "No, son, you're not."

The drunk says, "Look, I can prove it." He turns and walks back into the bar with the two priests.

The bartender takes one look at the drunk and exclaims, "Jesus Christ, you're here again?"
:banana: :banana:
baaaaaaaaaaha... :slap:

It would appear that Saddam may meet his fate rather sooner than expected.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/29/world/middleeast/30saddamcnd.html?ex=1325048400&en=67fd4b5e42aacc04&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss

Im beginning to smell a rat here, 'apart from Saddam'. The Iraqis and Americans are busting their chops to get this done ASAP. As if, as if, their makingsure hes shut up, quickly.

Were that the case, paul, Saddam would have met with, 'an untimely accident', or died of, 'natural causes', quite a while ago.

As someone who doesn't believe in the death penalty I do not wish to see him or anyone else executed. I have no problem keeping him in jail for the rest of his life though.

To quote Bobby Burns:

From those drear solitudes and frowsy cells,
Where Infamy with sad Repentance dwells;
Where turnkeys make the jealous portal fast,
And deal from iron hands the spare repast;
Where truant 'prentices, yet young in sin,
Blush at the curious stranger peeping in;
Where strumpets, relics of the drunken roar,
Resolve to drink, nay, half, to whore, no more;
Where tiny thieves not destin'd yet to swing,
Beat hemp for others, riper for the string:
From these dire scenes my wretched lines I date,
To tell Maria her Esopus' fate.

baaaaaaaaaaha... :slap:

Why do you sound like a sheep when you laugh?

Why do you sound like a sheep when you laugh?
Actually, I never quite realized my hearty roar might sound more like a bleat. :( Got that lion/lamb thing happening I guess.

Saddam's dead by the way. People are dancing in the streets. Whoosh, that goes right over my head. However...

What I cant understand about US Executions is:
Why use a sterile needle, know what a mean.

they also keep a suicide watch on prisoners when their date gets near, and will do anything humanly possible to make sure they stay alive until they strap the condemned down.

Saddam won't be killing any more people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/30/world/middleeast/30hussein.html?ex=1325134800&en=851c08b2166573df&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss

Sort of makes this thread moot, doesn't it.

I don't know if that will make something for a change , But for sure i'm going to see the new chapter (The hanging chapter)

I dunno if this will help anything....

I've heard reports of violence if this was done.......

I read in my paper this morning it was.......

God help our country.......