Actually Nappy, I was not trying to give you, or DF, or Borg “college. You do not like when people attribute motive to you because it is usually wrong, so do not attribute motive to others.

Borg is highly gifted. He will do college because it draws him. If he had not chosen college for himself, I would have been shocked. He will excel at college and he knows about the real world as he’s had his challenges. He is very level headed. He will do well for himself regardless of what life throws at him because life has already thrown a pile of crap his way and he has done fine.

DF is heading where she chooses to also. It will be a good, safe and secure environment which I think will be good for her also. She is not too different to how I was at her age. School worked for me also. Not because I worked hard but because there was too much shit going on in my world and it gave me a secure base. I did zero work but could also do fine. A secure base is a good thing.

In other words if we are inwardly focused and actively seeking what we need, we go in that direction. It is a natural, universal consequence. Buck it and people pay the price. Always, in one way or another.


You have chosen another path for now. I was not trying to dissuade you from that. I merely was counteracting your negativity. Funny thing about you Nappy, you are totally inconsistent I remember what people post. You contradict yourself continually. Also you are humble and arrogant, dead on about some things and so far a field in others that it amazes me.

None the less, you are always interesting and likeable in spite of yourself. I know, I know, you don’t care if people like you. Just saying, okay.

Bunny doesn't care about that! BUNNY IS INNOCENT! He just wants to frolic in the fields of wildflowers and eat lettuce out of people's gardens!

::cries about people thinking perverted things about bunnies::
and breeeed

and breeeed

Nooooo, cute little bunnies don't do that! BAD PAUL!

DF Have you seen Naps new pick up yet haha.

:-P What is it, a 1999 Toyota or something?

I'm so impressed. :D

Bad Borg! Deleting posts...

Actually Nappy, I was not trying to give you, or DF, or Borg “college. You do not like when people attribute motive to you because it is usually wrong, so do not attribute motive to others.

Borg is highly gifted. He will do college because it draws him. If he had not chosen college for himself, I would have been shocked. He will excel at college and he knows about the real world as he’s had his challenges. He is very level headed. He will do well for himself regardless of what life throws at him because life has already thrown a pile of crap his way and he has done fine.

DF is heading where she chooses to also. It will be a good, safe and secure environment which I think will be good for her also. She is not too different to how I was at her age. School worked for me also. Not because I worked hard but because there was too much shit going on in my world and it gave me a secure base. I did zero work but could also do fine. A secure base is a good thing.

In other words if we are inwardly focused and actively seeking what we need, we go in that direction. It is a natural, universal consequence. Buck it and people pay the price. Always, in one way or another.


You have chosen another path for now. I was not trying to dissuade you from that. I merely was counteracting your negativity. Funny thing about you Nappy, you are totally inconsistent I remember what people post. You contradict yourself continually. Also you are humble and arrogant, dead on about some things and so far a field in others that it amazes me.

None the less, you are always interesting and likeable in spite of yourself. I know, I know, you don’t care if people like you. Just saying, okay.
Shuddap! You don't know shit! :D

:slap: Shuddap! You don't know shit! :D
:D

That's fine, but you should know that my statement is subjective, and not bother trying to sway my wholly subjective opinion. You can argue with any objective things I say, but it's a futile pursuit to argue with someone's opinion.

I have always believed in "the gray area". There are few if any black and white ways of thinking due to subjectivity. But there is also a line between a rational and irrational opinion. Stating that college is a generally "a waste of time" is irrational thinking.

Studies have shown that Americans that have attended 4 years of college are in the top 15% of the class system intellectually. College has been proven time and time again to increase the overall living situation for most people. Obviously certain majors, like art and music, are a crapshoot. But if you want to be a doctor, good luck getting there without college. If you desire to do clerical work, be a cashier, janitor, postal work, etc then yeah, college is a waste of time. But if you're looking for a higher up position, then college is not a waste at all. In fact, it's pretty much required.

Not to mention the many social lessons it teaches. For me, college resulted in my first girlfriend, my first sexual experience, my first time living with people in an apartment, my first time having to regularly do my own laundry, my first time having to cook my own meals, my first ---- need I go on? Obviously most of these firsts could have taken place outside the college arena, but for me it occurred within it. And I don't feel that any minute of my time in college was a waste. I feel, if anything, that I have grown from it.

Napster, you are free to say "I think college is a waste for me". But don't hold an impossible opinion that college is a waste for anyone else. You just have no basis for that judgment. You don't like college? Fine, keep doing what you're doing. But the rest of us? Including professionals who have studied and proven the beneficial effects of a college education? We think college is a good idea.

But that's just us.

So, you reckon college is a sort of training school for adulthood.

That's part of it, since it's a middle ground between high school and real life. However, I've already dealt with all the crap that most kids are exposed to in college. I've done my own laundry, I've cooked my own food, I've been in some horrible situations. I've done most of the experimentation that I'm going to do with drugs and alcohol, and all the experimentation I'm going to do with promiscuity. I'm going to college to learn, and I'm not going to fuck that up with partying that I've already done.

Yea, Ive been following this thread for a couple of days now, without getting involved. I can understand what both sides were trying to advise you, but I suppose education dosent hurt anyone.

That's part of it, since it's a middle ground between high school and real life. However, I've already dealt with all the crap that most kids are exposed to in college. I've done my own laundry, I've cooked my own food, I've been in some horrible situations. I've done most of the experimentation that I'm going to do with drugs and alcohol, and all the experimentation I'm going to do with promiscuity. I'm going to college to learn, and I'm not going to fuck that up with partying that I've already done.

I am laughing my ass off here. Wait till you get there...you are gonna freak!!!
First of all everyone is gonna seem like a baby to you. They are gonna be wasted most of the time...and you my dear, you are gonna turn into the capus mum because what they are doing is behind ya. :D been there, done that....but it sure as hell is nice to be clear headed in the morning when they are all bleary eyed and sick as hell....

Nope, definitely won't hurt. Even if it doesn't make my life better in any tangible way in the long run, I'm sure it will be an enjoyable experience. I'm looking forward to fun intellectual discussions in person. I have plenty of them on here, so I'm confident now that I can hold my own in most discussions, especially with people my own age.

Even tho we dont do college in the same way as you guys do, its plain to see that youve experienced a lot in life already DF, which will hopefully be an advantage at college.

Ah well Sal, I'm still going to be living at home, since it's a community college, and there probably won't be as much temptation for me to party, and also many of the people I meet won't fit the usual college freshman profile. There will be plenty of high school drop-outs like me who have their partying behind them, especially those who have had a few years in between. And then there will also be more older people going back to school. The few times I've been on campus observing, most of them seemed young, but for a two-year college there seemed to be a lot of people who looked to be in their 20s, and quite a few who were even older than that.

One more thought re the subject of higher education. Although I always thought I'd like to be an attorney, don't really know how tough it is to get through law school. I'm sure it's no piece of cake, but doubt if it's as hard as med school.

Anyway, my point is... a degree in law opens up sooooooo many doors! Not just the typical lawyer thing. LOL, in fact, one of the women I used to work with at a private foundation had her law degree, but said she quit working for a law firm when she discovered their sole purpose in life was to get up, come to work, and ruin someone's day. Last I heard, she was an Exec. Director for a charitable organization.

I worked at American Airlines too... and their Sr. VP of Personnel was a black guy -- with a law degree.

There are all kinds of opportunities for people with law degrees... from private industry to government to hospitals to non-profits and banks. The list goes on and on.

Like I said, just a thought I wanted to share. If I could twitch my nose and do it all over again, that's what I'd do... get me a law degree. The skies the limit on where it can take you.

:)
SMW

One more thought re the subject of higher education. Although I always thought I'd like to be an attorney, don't really know how tough it is to get through law school. I'm sure it's no piece of cake, but doubt if it's as hard as med school.

Law school sucks, but I too seriously doubt it's as hard as med school.

My grandma went to law school, tried being a lawyer and hated it, and now she's a dog walker and pet-sitter and she makes plenty of money. And she has a law degree! Haha I don't know what my point was here.

My grandma went to law school, tried being a lawyer and hated it, and now she's a dog walker and pet-sitter and she makes plenty of money. And she has a law degree! Haha I don't know what my point was here.
LOL, well I didn't mean everyone should run out and get a law degree so they could walk dogs! But whatever works for Granny works for me.

*woof*

:lolhit: Yeah, my grandma was always the weird sort...

Originally posted by DarkFantasy96
My grandma went to law school, tried being a lawyer and hated it, and now she's a dog walker and pet-sitter and she makes plenty of money. And she has a law degree! Haha I don't know what my point was here.
Reminds me of my roommate, who wants to use his Mechanical Engineering degree to open a JimmyJohn's restaurant in his hometown. Good times, that would be.

Like I said, just a thought I wanted to share. If I could twitch my nose and do it all over again, that's what I'd do... get me a law degree. The skies the limit on where it can take you.

:)
SMW

If I could twitch my nose and do it all over again, I would get my PhD in psch I made all kinds of excuses at the time and some were valid but bottom line is, I wasn't motivated enough I guess.

Now, would I be happier and have a better life than now...... absolutely not... so, in the end it's all kind of irrelevant for me. I just never pushed myself until I hit the work world. Damn, now has me thinking...maybe I wouldn't change a thing. Gotta think on this some more.

Reminds me of my roommate, who wants to use his Mechanical Engineering degree to open a JimmyJohn's restaurant in his hometown. Good times, that would be.
A BSME and he wants to open a friggin restaurant? He should consider using his education more wisely. Like designing plastic beer bottles that wont explode.

A BSME and he wants to open a friggin restaurant? He should consider using his education more wisely. Like designing plastic beer bottles that wont explode.
But then they'd just be thrown at refs at Cleveland Browns games.

Plastic hurts less than glass or aluminum, especially when it's empty drink containers being discussed. Being of less mass than glass, they also won't travel near as far.

If I could twitch my nose and do it all over again, I would get my PhD in psch I made all kinds of excuses at the time and some were valid but bottom line is, I wasn't motivated enough I guess.

Now, would I be happier and have a better life than now...... absolutely not... so, in the end it's all kind of irrelevant for me. I just never pushed myself until I hit the work world. Damn, now has me thinking...maybe I wouldn't change a thing. Gotta think on this some more.
Sal, I envy you for not having any real regrets about your life choices. I felt pretty much the same way until things I considered 'unfair' starting slapping me in the face. Little things like the man I married at 17 turning 40 and deciding he didn't wanna be married anymore. Or the 'dream job' I worked my way up to evaporating because their profits went down, layoffs started up, and I didn't have the seniority to weather the storm. After several more 'setbacks' I started to wish I had something a little more solid to fall back on than a HS diploma. Made me realize our 'life plans' at 17 don't always pan out... thru no fault of our own (sometimes).

No doubt I'd feel much better if I had a law degree and decided to go into a dog-walking biz right now. At least then, it would be MY choice! *wink*

But then they'd just be thrown at refs at Cleveland Browns games.

The refs had it coming.:D

Sal, I envy you for not having any real regrets about your life choices. I felt pretty much the same way until things I considered 'unfair' starting slapping me in the face. Little things like the man I married at 17 turning 40 and deciding he didn't wanna be married anymore. Or the 'dream job' I worked my way up to evaporating because their profits went down, layoffs started up, and I didn't have the seniority to weather the storm. After several more 'setbacks' I started to wish I had something a little more solid to fall back on than a HS diploma. Made me realize our 'life plans' at 17 don't always pan out... thru no fault of our own (sometimes).

No doubt I'd feel much better if I had a law degree and decided to go into a dog-walking biz right now. At least then, it would be MY choice! *wink*

Gotta say SMW...there's a lot of luck involved in things too. I'm not lucky on winning things but everyday life events always seem to go my way. I can't say I've run into much I'd consider unfair.

Then again, I feel like I paid the price for all of that while growing up.

How are your acting skills? You could always "play" a lawyer. I hear some people have done wonders as GPs for years before being caught. :)

Somehow SMW doesn't strike me as the con artist type. ;)

I have always felt it relatively useless to wonder what might have been. If I made mistakes (and I certainly have) they were my mistakes. They lead to who I am now, and I like that person. I wouldn't be the same person without those mistakes.
Remember too, there is no guarantee that taking a different path would have produced an easier life. You might not have had the same problems, but the problems you might have encountered may have been just as bad or worse.

I have always felt it relatively useless to wonder what might have been. If I made mistakes (and I certainly have) they were my mistakes. They lead to who I am now, and I like that person. I wouldn't be the same person without those mistakes.
Remember too, there is no guarantee that taking a different path would have produced an easier life. You might not have had the same problems, but the problems you might have encountered may have been just as bad or worse.

Yup, that's the truth. We are the sum total of all of our experiences and any change in that would alter who we are today. Not a good thing to do.

Somehow SMW doesn't strike me as the con artist type. ;)
LOL @ DF. You got that right, sweetie. What you see is definitely what you get with me. I realize I could use a little sensitivity training at times, but hey -- I've been told I have a SM since the third grade, so what's the point of fighting it?

;)
SMW

Imagineer and Sal... I couldn't agree more. It's a total waste of time to wonder what might have been. And it's not like I don't LIKE myself the way I am now. But I admit, some of life's little unexpected slaps have had a way of making me sit back and say, "WTF?" Followed by thinking "if only" and ending with "nobody ever said life was fair"... then counting my blessings and moving on.

Somebody should write a country song, eh?

Somebody should write a country song, eh?
Can ya sing?...beats dog walking ;)

Hell no... can't sing a note. Guess I could go on American Idol anyway, though. You know, get my 15 min of fame?

You could be the next William Hung! Make sure you sing a slightly stupid obsolete pop song!