On the heels of a journal report on increased use since 1999 of posthumous sperm extraction (so the family line can be continued even after the father passes away) came a June report than an Israeli researcher had grown maturing ovarian tissue in the lab after extracting it from aborted fetuses. If Dr. Tal Biron-Shenton's work eventually makes way for fully developed eggs, it would mean that a baby could be born even though her mother never was. [Fertility and Sterility (via South Florida Sun-Sentinel), 6-23-03]
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Put [b]that in your pipe & smoke it.

Like there aren't enough humans already on this planet, lets find ways to make even more. It is kind of like all these damn fertility drugs that cause women to give birth to 3-4-5 kids. Maybe instead of comming up with more ways to make more arse holes we should try to find cures for the arse holes that we already have. :D

I can totally see some weirdo people out there making grandchildren from their stillborn children to fill some sort of imagined emptyness in their hearts.

Mine's coming in the mail! I can't wait!

Would this be like those little sea monkeys you could buy back in the 70's

Just because we CAN do something, doesn't mean we SHOULD.

I disagree... I think we should try everything once ;) Except nuclear bombs... I think we should wing those suckers like frisbies all over the planet!

Originally posted by mad dog
It is kind of like all these damn fertility drugs that cause women to give birth to 3-4-5 kids.

Do you have any experience with these drugs or know anyone who has? Doesn't sound like it.

Mattw212 do you watch the news or read the paper. There are woman in the news that normally would not give birth that want one child and end up with 3-4-5-6. Oh and yes my wife does know of a woman that wanted two children. She took the fertility drugs and ended up with 5. So yes I do know a little about these drugs.

My wife and I have one child thanks to injectible hormonal drugs that cause superovulation and artificial isemination. Our best friends have a child from the same drugs and IVF. We have different physicians who both said if there are too many eggs, we do not fertilize the eggs that month. From what I understand of Multiple biths of three or more, they usually are a result of IVF with multiple implanted fertilized eggs, hoping one will take when they all do. Our doctor says the incidents of multiples of three or more are comparatively rare considering the number of people who take hormone injections. Twins happen pretty regularly (1 out of 4). The three or more births are rare... they just get a lot of play in the media.

Here the good news: People who have kids thanks to drugs usually want them pretty bad, so odds are good they will end up in a good home.

I am glad that the drugs worked for you the way you wanted.

I have a question if someone wants a child so bad then what about adoption? There are thousands of children with no homes why is it so bad to adopt? Please don't think I am being arrogant, I'm being serious. My wife and I talked about it before we had ours (came before we were ready), we had decided that if there would be a problem then we'ld adopt.

This world is already heading for over population why keep bringing more(humans), when we(humans) can't take care of the ones we have? I think these drugs are crazy, I know I sound harsh, but look at it as a whole, not just the corner of the planet that you live in. Something has to and will give sooner or later, we can't just keep climbing and climbing(population) without effects.

We looked at adoption and it's still on the table for us if we don't conceive. Adoption is not easy in our state — especially if you want a baby. Foreign adoption is easier. We also fear the birth mother changing her mind, which is what happened to a friend. Reforming adotion laws would be a wonderful thing.

My understanding of overpopulation issues (and even under population) is largely economic. Poor parts of the world have more babies than wealthy parts of the world. My wife and I are in our mid '30s. We delayed having a family because we both had careers that required travel. Now we both work at home. Trouble is my wife has a family history of declining fertility... thus the drugs. I am certain we made the right choice. And if we don't conceive, we'll pursue adoption — probably a foreign adoption. Adopting older children is easier, and we may do that down the road. For now sharing the experience of having a new born gives our life a lot of joy.

I have a question. Does this follow along the lines of making old guys who are probably too scary naked anyways try and get their thing up, rather than trying to find the cure for cancer?

And the reason why people with low socioeconomic backgrounds have more kids, is so they get more income when the kids get older(and welfare). That being in rich countries, in poor countries, the more kids, the more land that can be farmed. Five year olds toiling in the fields(that was supposed to try and strike a guilt chord with somebody, anybody...).

Mattw212 I couldn't agree more about adoption being hard. It's funny how the laws are there to protect(children), but at the same time they hurt (the children). I'm glad to hear that you have not ruled out adoption. As far as the rich poor statement I can see some truth, but take Japan they are over populated, and they are not that poor. Of coarse they now have laws about how many children a husband and wife can have, but it may be to little to late.

Blib this country use to live by farms so yes back in the day, the more kids you had the more work would get done which ment you could have a bigger herd which in turn would help buy more land. Then the kids would grow, you would give them some land and they would start there family farm. When it was done you had your own little chunk of land but you also had neighbors(family)that you could count on for help. Not to mention things (peoples attitudes) were better back then life wasn't about me me me it was about everyone.

I had not heard of Japan being "over populated." Certainly its densly populated what with it being an island and all. When I think of over population, I think of nations or regions where there is not enough food or clean water. What I remember from college anthropology (we're going back to the early '90s here), population was in direct proportion to the educational attainment of women. Smarter women equals fewer babies. Japan being much more male dominated than the U.S. or Europe, I'm not surprised they have higher birth rates. I've heard that China has laws about how many children a couple can have, but I was not aware that Japan had such laws. I'm actually quite surprised to learn that they do. I have a good friend who lives in Tokyo. I'll have to ask him about this.

Originally posted by Blibblob
Does this follow along the lines of making old guys who are probably too scary naked anyways try and get their thing up, rather than trying to find the cure for cancer?


I hope it never happens to me, but if I have to choose between chemo and Viagara, I'm taking the Viagara. Might as well go out with a smile?

Originally posted by Blibblob
And the reason why people with low socioeconomic backgrounds have more kids, is so they get more income when the kids get older(and welfare). That being in rich countries, in poor countries, the more kids, the more land that can be farmed. Five year olds toiling in the fields(that was supposed to try and strike a guilt chord with somebody, anybody...).

Kind of bigotted don't you think?

Do you really believe women intentionally get pregnant so they can collect more welfare? Please.

Education is the answer. Ever notice that highschool graduation rates were higher during the Clinton Years and teen pregnancies were lower? Under Bush, graduation rates are down and teen pregnancies are up.

Education would make a difference in poor regions as well, but it will take time. Besides, these people don't have cable. What else are they gonna do on a Friday night?

Kind of bigotted don't you think?

Do you really believe women intentionally get pregnant so they can collect more welfare? Please.
I don't think it is right, I'm stating what happens. Who said women are the head of the household where this happens?

Education is the answer. Ever notice that highschool graduation rates were higher during the Clinton Years and teen pregnancies were lower? Under Bush, graduation rates are down and teen pregnancies are up.

Education would make a difference in poor regions as well, but it will take time. Besides, these people don't have cable. What else are they gonna do on a Friday night?
Education was also the answer in Goldstein's book in 1984(not about having kids though). That when literacy rate is 100% people read more and intelligence will rise, thus destroying low intelligence jobs and colapsing the current capitalist system. But education in sex case makes sense also. Women get smarter and don't want to ruin their career on a nine month pregnancy. Also learning better safe sex. Ditzy chicks getting pregnant at 16, lol. It would be funny to see some of the ditz I know being pregnant.

Originally posted by Blibblob
I don't think it is right, I'm stating what happens. Who said women are the head of the household where this happens?

I'm sorry, I don't understand your questions here. Would you be kind enough to restate it.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Blibblob
It would be funny to see some of the ditz I know being pregnant.

That would be a real hoot, wouldn't it? You know what I like? I like it when cripples fall out of their wheelchairs. Now that's entertainment!

I'm sorry, I don't understand your questions here. Would you be kind enough to restate it.
It was a rhetorical question. Attempting to point out that where a lot of that happens, is in families that follow the old teachings that women must obey their husbands every whim.

That would be a real hoot, wouldn't it? You know what I like? I like it when cripples fall out of their wheelchairs. Now that's entertainment!
You are comparing it to something completely different. Getting pregnant is a choice(unless it is rape), being a cripple in a wheelchair is not a choice, you were either born that way, or a terrible accident occured. So, I still stand by the comedy of seeing a ditz get pregnant.

Originally posted by Blibblob
Getting pregnant is a choice(unless it is rape)

Really? Last time you had sex, what did you and your partner choose? Pregnant or not pregnant?

I think of all the money I wasted on condoms.

Funny story. When my son was born, a wonderful fat black lady comes into our room in a white nurse's uniform when we were visiting with some friends and says:

"You want your baby circumcised?"

It was the same tone of voice you'd expect when you hear "You want fries with that?" at the drive through. We laughed for days.

I'd like a Big Mac, a hot apple pie and, oh yeah, a circumcision!

Really? Last time you had sex, what did you and your partner choose? Pregnant or not pregnant?

I think of all the money I wasted on condoms.
Getting pregnant is a biproduct of sex, and sex requires consent(other than rape).

I'd like a Big Mac, a hot apple pie and, oh yeah, a circumcision!
Mmmm, sounds yummy.