Anybody know? If they do, do you have any photos (of can you link me to a site that does) :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ships_of_the_People's_Liberation_Army_Navy

They do not presently, it seems.

Anybody know? If they do, do you have any photos (of can you link me to a site that does) :)

In the near future -- Aircraft Carriers will be of little to no consequence in an all-out war. Future wars will be fought with long-range, deadly-accurate missles and drones.

In the near future -- Aircraft Carriers will be of little to no consequence in an all-out war. Future wars will be fought with long-range, deadly-accurate missles and drones.

The thought of there being no aircraft carriers bothers me, somehow.

Maybe I'm just being nostalgic, I dunno, but carriers and their crews are like the biggest, baddest, kickass fighting "machines" we've ever come up with, and they do get the job done - I'd hate to see them go the way of the dodo.

And while I know that technology marches ever onward, it's also hard for me to believe such an effective and powerful weapon would become obsolete. Seems to me there will always be a need for carriers, if only to serve as a seagoing platform for aircraft to take off and land. Missles and drones can only do so much, though. You'd still need humans in the relative vicinity of a major conflict, wouldn't you?

The main Wiki page about carriers indicates that there are several nations designing and building new carriers, so I think it'll be awhile before they're completely gone. Whew!

In the near future -- Aircraft Carriers will be of little to no consequence in an all-out war. Future wars will be fought with long-range, deadly-accurate missles and drones.

That was pretty much the case 30-40 years ago. But until all-out war, they're nice to have around.

Carriers are just an essential part of every country's defense that borders the ocean, just like roads are for vehicles to travel on. They won't go away anytime in the forseeable future.

They will once I build my Death Star and take over the planet.

Who will build this contraption you say? My army of gnomes hiding out in Juneau, Alaska!

Who will build this contraption you say? My army of gnomes hiding out in Juneau, Alaska!
Gnomes? *Giggles* sucker...

Apparently France has an aircraft carrier. They even built it themselves. That's the first and only aircraft carrier not built or designed in the United States.

I'd love to see them and their cargo blow up in the sky hit by just about any missile from anywhere. Of course very near the Atlantic coast.

I wouldn't be surprised if they did turn up with one, one of several that they've been hiding from the world for decades. I fugure that if they are smart enough to send an astronaut (or tekanaut) into space, they should be smart enough to build a carrier of some sort :@@:

Britain has a few of them,were they built in US.Cant see it.

I'd love to see them and their cargo blow up in the sky hit by just about any missile from anywhere. Of course very near the Atlantic coast.I don't usually say this to people, but if you're saying what I think you're saying then you need to get your ass out of my country.

There ya go Jester, your on the other side of the world defending...............well defending something,and heres Socialist sneaking in under the goalposts.

I don't usually say this to people, but if you're saying what I think you're saying then you need to get your ass out of my country.

Well said, Jester.

That was pretty much the case 30-40 years ago. But until all-out war, they're nice to have around.

They're sitting ducks ... plain and simple.

They're sitting ducks ... plain and simple.

Don't they have escort?
IE, subs, destroyers, light and heavy cruisers---like the battleships of old.

Don't they have escort?
IE, subs, destroyers, light and heavy cruisers---like the battleships of old.

Yes, and those can all throw up a pretty heavy curtain of missiles in defense. Dop's correct though, shoot enough missiles at the carrier and something will get through. Or just use a nuke and get it over with.

The anti-ship missles get better and better, thanks to Russia.

The time will come when carriers, even with their escorts, will not be safe. Actually, the time may already be here.

There ya go Jester, your on the other side of the world defending...............well defending something,and heres Socialist sneaking in under the goalposts.
That prick (and every bean who thinks like him) should be wearing a toe tag. He probably did sneak into our country, the little fuck. Pfft - I guess that's why the first four words in every Latin cookbook start with, "First, steal a chicken".....

How tall are you, Socialist - 5'1''? 5'2'' maybe? I mean, how high can god stack shit? Really.

Why don't you just go home and leave us alone?

The Phalanx CIWS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS)(Close-in weapon system pronounced see-wiz) is an anti-missle system that was designed and manufactured by the General Dynamics Corporation, Pomona Division. It is now manufactured by the Raytheon Company. It is used by the United States Navy on every class of surface combat ship in its fleet and is used by navies of over twenty allied nations. Because of their distinctive barrel-shaped radome and their automated nature of operation, Phalanx CIWS units are sometimes nicknamed R2-D2s, after the famous droid from Star Wars.

es,where you get this stuff from

General Dynamics, Raytheon, GE, Honeywell, UTC, and Lockheed Martin are all fabulous companies.

es,where you get this stuff from

I didn't spend over 20 years in the U.S. military for nothing. Besides - I watch the History Channel like all the other old farts.

I have the Military Channel on satellite, and I have to tell ya - it freaking rocks. They rank the Best War Machines of all time (be it tanks, aircraft or whatever) and I never get sick of it....

The British have some pretty cool weapons even though their budget is 1/200th ours. The Russians? Well, let's just say it all looks good on paper.

As you can see,we're not into soldiering haha

Apparently France has an aircraft carrier. They even built it themselves. That's the first and only aircraft carrier not built or designed in the United States.

The following countries currently have aircraft carriers in operation:

United States- 24

UK- 4

France- 2

Russia, Italy, India, Brazil, South Korea, Spain, and Thailand each have one carrier currently operational.

As to the statement that the french carrier was the first and only one not designed or built in the United States, that's just wrong. The British designed the first aircraft carrier, the HMS Hermes, and she was commissioned in 1923. The Japanese also designed and built all their own carriers. Of the modern carriers, Britain, France, Italy, Spain, and Russia all design and build their own ships. The carrier operated by Thailand is of Spanish design and manufacture.

They will once I build my Death Star and take over the planet.

Who will build this contraption you say? My army of gnomes hiding out in Juneau, Alaska!

LOL, unknown to you I have a squadron of X-wings hidden deep in an ice cave in Liechtenstein ready to run the trench and proton torpedo your thermal exhaust port. The world will be saved and all wookies will receive medals.

LOL, unknown to you I have a squadron of X-wings hidden deep in an ice cave in Liechtenstein ready to run the trench and proton torpedo your thermal exhaust port. The world will be saved and all wookies will receive medals.


Not if i get out of the hospital from being burned by lava in time to man my Tie fighter and shoot your X wing to pieces... i'll just have to watch my back for the smooth, sleazey fuck Han Solo

The following countries currently have aircraft carriers in operation:

United States- 24

UK- 4

France- 2

Russia, Italy, India, Brazil, South Korea, Spain, and Thailand each have one carrier currently operational.

I think the French carriers are the only ones not built in the U.S. that resemble the American ones in using conventional aircraft with catapults, although I think the UK was going to go back to that design since Harriers can't do everything.

Whoops, sorry, that would have made no sense. First nuclear powered aircraft carrier built outside the US.

The Russians? Well, let's just say it all looks good on paper.

Prae, where the Russian weapon systems go wrong is not in the making and designing of the weapons. The weapons themselves are top-notch. Where they go wrong is the execution. The Russians simply cannot field a fighter pilot to match the quality of ours. We have real life training in real jets. The Russkies cannot afford such a thing, and never really was able to.

You know the old joke about the space race: The US spent billions of dollars designing the perfect pen to write in space, millions of man-hours spent testing different designs, and finally succeeded, a marvel of American ingenuity. The Russians used a pencil.

The joke was just that, a joke, because broken pencil leads are horrible things to have flying around the insides of space ships. But it is a good analogy to the way Russians did things and the way we still do things. They can design all these wonderful, fantastic things, only to bungle them in real-life operation, because they never appreciated the necessity of training.

Those quiet, diesel submarines that the Russians operate never stood a chance against American subs. In theory, they should be on a relatively level playing field. But Russians never got the knack of training their sub crews to the level of ours, not to mention funding and readiness issues.

I do believe though, that a Russian army would eat ours for breakfast.

I just love to piss off right wingers... Though I didn't mention any country in particular.

:hitout:

I just love to piss off right wingers... Yeah, now I'm a right winger. Seriously, get a friggin clue. Or just grow the hell up.

Though I didn't mention any country in particular.Yes, I'm sure you were actually referring to Togo. :rolleyes:
Given the subject-matter of this thread, as well as the things that you've previously posted, it was pretty clear which country you were talking about.

I just love to piss off right wingers... Though I didn't mention any country in particular.

So which country's sailors would you enjoy watching suffer in an explosion?

he better not say lichtenstein

he better not say lichtenstein

Well, he did specify the Atlantic coast.

I tell you what, Lichtenstein has one of the best navies in the world. you better get up pretty early in the morning to blow up one of their warships :D

I do believe though, that a Russian army would eat ours for breakfast.
Yeah, just like they did the Afghani "army", right?

Look....the Russians have DICK on us. Our military is proven; we kill more effectively and efficiently than any other fighting force on this planet by a factor of 10. That isn't up for debate - it's a solid fact, my friend. Very solid, at that.

Nation building, OTOH...well, we're not so good at that, and if not to add insult to injury, we've also managed to folly every conflict that's been fought by our politicians (a saddening trend, but unfortunately, one that's there to please myopic, unrealistic isolationists (which, mind you, has become an American necessity, I'm afraid - but I digress)).

Yeah, just like they did the Afghani "army", right?

Look....the Russians have DICK on us. Our military is proven; we kill more effectively and efficiently than any other fighting force on this planet by a factor of 10. That isn't up for debate - it's a solid fact, my friend. Very solid, at that.

Nation building, OTOH...well, we're not so good at that, and if not to add insult to injury, we've also managed to folly every conflict that's been fought by our politicians (a saddening trend, but unfortunately, one that's there to please myopic, unrealistic isolationists (which, mind you, has become an American necessity, I'm afraid - but I digress)).

Maybe we should outsource the nation building tasks, like we've done with "technical assistance". As you noted, we're real good at kicking ass, that is unquestioned. When our military is turned loose to do what they do, there's nobody currently who can go toe-to-toe with us.

Maybe the Irish could do the Nation Building,look at the job we did with America,tho on the other hand.....................

The Phalanx CIWS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS)(Close-in weapon system pronounced see-wiz) is an anti-missle system that was designed and manufactured by the General Dynamics Corporation, Pomona Division. It is now manufactured by the Raytheon Company. It is used by the United States Navy on every class of surface combat ship in its fleet and is used by navies of over twenty allied nations. Because of their distinctive barrel-shaped radome and their automated nature of operation, Phalanx CIWS units are sometimes nicknamed R2-D2s, after the famous droid from Star Wars.

Phalanx can not stop Moskit (Sunburn) missles and those aren't even the newest ones we have to worry about.

Dop is always there to assure us we suck compared to all the other countires in the world

Phalanx can not stop Moskit (Sunburn) missles and those aren't even the newest ones we have to worry about.

It's not that they can't stop the missiles Dop, it's that the chances are a bit slimmer. During the Cold War, Russia developed weapons systems that were designed specifically to penetrate the defense systems of American carrier battle groups. They knew what kind of defenses we had so they developed larger and faster missiles than we did out of neccessity. One problem the Russians faced with these larger missile systems was that their size limited the platforms on which they could be carried. The Russians fielded the SS-22 Sunburn missile, and the SS-29 Shipwreck only on their largest and most sophisticated naval vessels, and even if Russia started selling these missiles with abandon, anyone contemplating their use would face the same problems. Only a very modern naval vessel is capable of launcing such a missile, and those are currently only possessed by a very few nations.

So which country's sailors would you enjoy watching suffer in an explosion?

NO! to taking lives, just the weapons to sink to the bottom of the oceans. No weapons means no wars.

NO! to taking lives, just the weapons to sink to the bottom of the oceans. No weapons means no wars.

That might be true if it were weapons that made war on each other, but it's humans that make war on each other.

Born To Be Wild

Get your motor runnin'
Head out on the highway
Lookin' for adventure
And whatever comes our way
Yeah Darlin' go make it happen
Take the world in a love embrace
Fire all of your guns at once
And explode into space

I like smoke and lightning
Heavy metal thunder
Racin' with the wind
And the feelin' that I'm under
Yeah Darlin' go make it happen
Take the world in a love embrace
Fire all of your guns at once
And explode into space

Like a true nature's child
We were born, born to be wild
We can climb so high
I never wanna die

Born to be wild
Born to be wild

It's not that they can't stop the missiles Dop, it's that the chances are a bit slimmer. During the Cold War, Russia developed weapons systems that were designed specifically to penetrate the defense systems of American carrier battle groups. They knew what kind of defenses we had so they developed larger and faster missiles than we did out of neccessity. One problem the Russians faced with these larger missile systems was that their size limited the platforms on which they could be carried. The Russians fielded the SS-22 Sunburn missile, and the SS-29 Shipwreck only on their largest and most sophisticated naval vessels, and even if Russia started selling these missiles with abandon, anyone contemplating their use would face the same problems. Only a very modern naval vessel is capable of launcing such a missile, and those are currently only possessed by a very few nations.

The Sunburn and other russian anti-ship missles can be fired from shore batteries ... Iran has several of them as does China and probably others.

Sunburn or similar missles have never been tested against our CIWS (Phalanx for example) so there is no absolute proof one way or the other but from what I've read and personally heard from my own inner-circle, the U.S. will not make claims that our systems could handle a sunburn-type attack.

The math is simple ...

CWIS requires X time to acquire a solution
Sunburn offers Y time to gather a solution
X - Y > 0 (a positive number) therefore ...

CIWS loses, Sunburn wins.

This isn't rocket science :D

There is also the option of simply overpowering Phalanx or whatever. You may want to watch the movie The Sum of all fears for a demonstration of how a handfull of Russion fighers took out an american carrier simply by firing more missles than the carrier defenses could handle. Granted, it's Holloywood and probably not precisely what would happen in real life but the point remains ... anything can be overpowered and that is how the Russians will be playing the game from here on out. No more trying to match the U.S. ruble-for-dollar until they go bankrupt, but instead, simply become unbeatable because of a strong defense. The philosophy would be "I don't have the capability of attacking a well-armed nation but if one should attack me, I have the capability of dishing out some serious a$$-kicking."

I didn't spend over 20 years in the U.S. military for nothing. Besides - I watch the History Channel like all the other old farts.
damn you! i am not an old fart!

i'm a middle-aged fart, thank you very much.

Is that a Deer wearing a Santa hat stuck in the chimney,
ya old fart.

no, it's just Santa stuck upside down...you should get your eyes checked-that's the 1st thing to go. so i hear.

It says 'Made in China' on da bottom

damn you! i am not an old fart!

i'm a middle-aged fart, thank you very much.
I watch the History Channel and I am neither old nor a fart!

Sekf praise , you old fart.