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Brooks
12-20-2006, 12:17 AM
And wasn't it on his watch that the cops shoved the bataan up the dude's rear end...The entire peninsula? OUCH!
Brooks
12-20-2006, 12:31 AM
Che is awesome.You're being facetious, aren't you?
dharmabum
12-20-2006, 12:52 AM
The "troop surge" idea is not solely his idea. In fact, I think they're actually going to execute that plan to try put a temporary stop to escalating violence.
I don't think it's a great idea myself, but that's a very minor thing compared to everything else McCain stands for.
I am sure McCain did not come up with the idea himself, but
McCain ws the first person I heard propose it (http://thesarcasticcynic.blogspot.com/2006/11/why-i-cannot-support-john-mccain.html)post-election.
Lieberman and Bush have both jumped on the escalation bandwaon.
IMO, 20 or 40k is not a serious number.
A U.S. Government study said that we would need at least 400,000 troops to secure Iraq. (http://www.kxnet.com/getARticle.asp?ArticleId=62397)
If they were serious about stopping this violence and securing Iraq they would be talking about at LEAST 200,000 more troops and they would be talking about doing whatever is necessary to win. They would be discussing the draft. They would be talking to Iraq's neighbors in the region, including the ones that don't necessarily agree with us on everything. They would be heading off the looming conflict between Iran and the Saudis.
They would be asking Americans to sacrifice instead of asking us to shop.
This is just a show. Wagging of the Dog. The initial stages of the 2008 elections.
McCain is trying to use this so that he can claim deniability in two years when everything inevitably falls apart. He knows perfectly well that we lack the political will to put that kind of effort into iraq and quite frankly, McCain is not enough of a Leader to inspire Americans to rise to that challenge.
I think McCain's initial plan would have had him on TV next year saying, "if only we had escalated, like I said, none of this would have happened".
I think that Bush jumping on his bandwagon sort of made his plan backfire.
I don't think McCain expected that.
Now they are going to actually try escalating by a measily 20 or 40k troops and it is going to fail miserably. The whole campaign has been fubar since the beginning because they failed to understand the people and the "nation" they were invading. They actually thought we were going to be greeted as liberators and that a Democratic election would happen and a stable government would materialize within only a few months. Their initial plans for Iraq would have had us out of there long before now.
Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia are becoming increasingly involved and this is shaping up to turn into WW3, possibly sooner than most Americans expect.
Lungdop Philing
12-20-2006, 09:23 AM
Yeah - he was also part fuckhead, too. And I learned that many years ago.
My dad was lucky enough to be flying over La Higuera in his C-130 when that piece of human offal was executed. Too bad he didn't get any pictures....
Why do you have such in intense hatred for Che?
Leper
12-20-2006, 09:36 AM
IMO, 20 or 40k is not a serious number.
I agree. 20K is not a serious number relative to the problem in Iraq. It just baffles me that you're deciding to dislike McCain because he would send 10% more troops than another politician. McCain has made initiatives which are far more important than whether he would send 170K or a 150K troops to Iraq. Try focusing on issues that are REALLY important to our country, like immigration reform, campaign finance reform, and fiscal responsability...those are McCain's big platforms.
In other words, you're nitpicking or seeing the glass as a tenth empty.
My claim was never that McCain was perfect...I've consistently said that I disagree with him on some relatively minor points (such as sending extra troops to Iraq), but I think he is the most qualified person out there.
Please, persuade me as to who I should vote for....don't just give me a name, tell me why I should vote for who you're voting for.
Lungdop Philing
12-20-2006, 09:54 AM
advocates more troops in Iraq ...
We simply don't have more troops unless we dig deeper into the Ready Reserve (Selected Reserve, Individual Ready Reserve and National Guard, forcing them into more frequent and longer tours. Another answer is to shift more Navy and Air Force personel to join the battle groups on the ground -- something they have become pretty good at already.
The bottom line is not exactly a draft, but as close as one can come to one without actually calling it one.
This will not go over well with the american voters, especially after they just handed a mandate to the dems to bring the troops home.
For McCain personally, he now stand pretty much alone with Gates, Bush and Cheney in asking for more troops ... that's suicide at the polls.
Here's how the american people feel ...
http://jabbs.blogspot.com/2006/12/regarding-us-troop-levels-in-iraq.html
Leper
12-20-2006, 11:32 AM
advocates more troops in Iraq ...
We simply don't have more troops unless we dig deeper into the Ready Reserve (Selected Reserve, Individual Ready Reserve and National Guard, forcing them into more frequent and longer tours. Another answer is to shift more Navy and Air Force personel to join the battle groups on the ground -- something they have become pretty good at already.
The bottom line is not exactly a draft, but as close as one can come to one without actually calling it one.
This will not go over well with the american voters, especially after they just handed a mandate to the dems to bring the troops home.
For McCain personally, he now stand pretty much alone with Gates, Bush and Cheney in asking for more troops ... that's suicide at the polls.
Here's how the american people feel ...
http://jabbs.blogspot.com/2006/12/regarding-us-troop-levels-in-iraq.html
I agree that such a notion is politically unpopular, but I wouldn't call it "political suicide" by any means....Joe Lieberman is proof of that.
The Praetorian
12-20-2006, 11:52 AM
Why do you have such in intense hatred for Che?
Because (and I quote) "if the missiles had been in Cuban control, we'd have fired them".
That man was no savior; he was a barbarian who cared for people with leprosy in his youth. A self-avowed "doctor" who believed in taking up arms. IOW, a contrarian of VERY questionable moral character, and someone who should've been killed by OUR government years before he met his fate in La Higuera.
Evakian
12-20-2006, 08:37 PM
You're being facetious, aren't you?
I'm talking to Dop here.
Brooks
12-20-2006, 09:21 PM
Aaaahhhh.
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