Uday, Qusay confirmed dead


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's sons, Qusay and Uday, were killed Tuesday in a gunbattle with U.S. troops in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, the commander of U.S. ground forces in Iraq said.

Their bodies were identified from "multiple sources," Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez told reporters in Baghdad.


further sandbox play cancelled (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/22/sprj.irq.sons/index.html)
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This is sure to be a morale booster for a whole lot of folks.

I hope they enjoy their eternity in hell.

The Iraqi's are very pleased, atleast the ones that believe it. Once the rest of them know it to be true they will be just as happy.

Ah, it's about time we found some of the leaders we/re after....I have to say, I've been unimpressed with our ability to seek out key enemy leaders since 9/11.

Too bad they were not caught alive. They could have told a lot of things and maybe lead to Saddam himself. And it would have been better to send them to trial so that they could be judged fot their many crimes.

Too bad they were not caught alive. They could have told a lot of things and maybe lead to Saddam himself. And it would have been better to send them to trial so that they could be judged for their many crimes.

Originally posted by astrapol2
Too bad they were not caught alive. They could have told a lot of things and maybe lead to Saddam himself. And it would have been better to send them to trial so that they could be judged for their many crimes.

Well, they opened fire on the army (4 soldiers were wounded is what I heard on CNN).....if that's not a good reason for the army to kill them, I don't know what is. And bear in mind, the army was not sure at the time whether they were Sadaam's sons, they were just acting on a tip.

Not to mention, that's really an unfair question, no one can conduct warfare-type of operations and be expected to put every person they want to shoot on trial before firing back. That's one of the unfortunate problems with war.

Besides, isn't their "trial" a forgone conclusion at this point, a mere formality.

Originally posted by astrapol2
it would have been better to send them to trial so that they could be judged for their many crimes.

I do believe they did get what they deserved. Well maybe they should have been tortured for a while, that would have been better. Why waste the time and money on these pieces of sh** for a trial, they were evil men and deserved to die, I just hope it was as painfull as what they did to some of the women, children, and men that they totured.

I have no sympathy for them at all, and, even if I am opposed to the death penalty, I do not regret their death. Sure they would probably have been sentenced to death.
But the sentence is not the only point of a trial. I think it would have been important for the Iraqi people and especially for their many victims to see them sent to court. It would also have been a very important source of information - if they did not know where is Saddam, who does ?
And it would have helped the American much more than their death, since now many people in the arab world still refuse to believe they are really dead, or think the American killed them to prevent them from telling things they did want to keep hidden.

I think a trial would have been a nightmare. There'd be an all out suicide assault on coalition troops to get them to surrender. And it appears that many in Iraq would be afraid to speak out if there's any possibility at all of Saddam or his kids reappearing.

We killed the bastards and the leftists are still not satisfied. They always find some damn thing to complain about.

And it would have been better to send them to trial so that they could be judged fot their many crimes.

Nah, this is a perfect ending!!!

Astrapol2 I understand somewhat of what your saying, but justice was carried out. Lets say that someone murdered a loved one close to you. That person is caught, they go to trial which goes on, and on for years. Do you ever get closure? Now the trial finally ends, but quess what the person still doesn't get the death penalty, because some people say they need to keep the person alive(for whatever). Now you have to wake up day after day, week after week, month after month and see this killers face on the news. 25 years go by and most people have forgotten about the crime except for you and a few others. Well the prison system is over crowded so the system figures lets let John Doe out (after all most people have forgotten who he/she is). Now tell me where the justice is in that, and don't forget here in America it happens every day. I used something that happens in this country to our worst scumbags, now how fair do you think a trial would have been for those 2 little sh**s. Sooner or later they would have been set free and told now behave or else.

Should I understand that you always prefer a quick execution to a trial ? This is not my idea of justice.
Anyway, I am opposed to the death penalty as I mentioned.

And on that specific case, you still have not answered the point about all the information these guys could have given.

I think Bush should be charged with war crimes, though that might not really apply since Congress never actually declared war, to my knowledge.

Those two got exactly what they deserved. Of course, hindsight (always being 20-20) allows for exploration of alternatives. Given a 24 hour opportunity to draw a crowd of Iraqi citizens, and media from everywhere to witness their public execution in central Baghdad might have been one option, and not by firing squad, either. Evisceration, sans anesthesia may have proven most appropriate for those degenerates.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
I think Bush should be charged with war crimes, though that might not really apply since Congress never actually declared war, to my knowledge.

What "crime" in particular? Being a Republican? War is ugly Borg. This is probably one of the cleanest wars (relatively speaking) we've had. Certainly it compares favorably to Roosevelt's obliteration of Dresden by fire-bombing, Truman's destruction of two Japanese cites with Nukes, carpet bombing in Vietnam, etc.

Ah, but the question is really if this was even a war, and even assuming that it is, what of Bush lying to us etc.?

Mission Impossible

Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to find & provide documentation of a political leader who did not challenge veracity during a time of national crisis.
It's always been about the sales pitch.

Borg, you are a nutcase, with all due respect. Bush has not committed any "war crimes," and he did not lie to us. Sorry.

I am sure the women who were raped (some murdered), those tortured etc would be dancing in the streets right now. I don't blame them/ They were shit and they need to be wiped off the face of the earth.

I bet Sadam is pretty pissed off by now..:D ..........ah there is some justice for those who have lost sons and daughters through his atrocities.

Originally posted by Dreamweaver
I am sure the women who were raped (some murdered), (…) would be dancing in the streets right now.


I sure would like to see this incredible event. Murdered women raising from their graves to dance in the streets… Must be pretty dready.;)

Originally posted by astrapol2
I sure would like to see this incredible event. Murdered women raising from their graves to dance in the streets… Must be pretty dready.;) I think that Dreamweaver meant that the dead women would be dancing if they were able to astro. At least that is how i interpreted it.

Originally posted by astrapol2
Should I understand that you always prefer a quick execution to a trial ? This is not my idea of justice.
Anyway, I am opposed to the death penalty as I mentioned.

And on that specific case, you still have not answered the point about all the information these guys could have given.

First part; Yes if a person is proven to be quilty(like these 2) without a doubt then don't waste the time or energy on them, get rid of them they have nothing to offer.

Secound part; There is not that much that they could have or WOULD have offered. They probably don't even know where there coward of a father is.

Originally posted by astrapol2
I sure would like to see this incredible event. Murdered women raising from their graves to dance in the streets… Must be pretty dready.;)


I didn't think anyone would trivialise something as serious as this.

I was referring to the raped women dancing in the street.

OK, I admit this was not a very good taste joke.