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Adamus
12-08-2006, 08:43 AM
Litvinenko case is most captivating ‘cause it’s unfolding into kind of James Bond story. I’m still basking in the memories of “rock novel” amid Moscow setting with our secret agents starring in the FSB footage (btw I saw it during my last time to Moscow on a business trip). Good performance, it was. I guess that was just warming-up.
Now it’s for real. And again we owe whole pleasure to Scotland Yard and both MIs. In their search for clues the detectives found themselves again in Moscow right at the premises of the British diplomatic mission…to find radiological contamination there. Frankly, I am not happy with the fact. Of all theories in Litvinenko case I’d rather believe into smuggling ring theory with Russian ex-spy Litvinenko and Russian ex-tycoon Berezovsky plus Chechen criminal elements as major players. British embassy in Moscow is part of it. Paradoxically, the search of Litvinenko killers outside the UK brought our detectives back to the Britain territory and that is to the embassy premises. I can’t know whole truth ‘cause. But the embassy is looking a very fishy place I should say.
I’d prefer our diplomats doing their job well ‘cause it helps business and I’m a businessmen. A bit of spying maybe will do. But any involvement in making or smuggling a “dirty bomb” or something like that is just taboo. Here in Britain we want safety. People of Berezovsky sort undermine it. Isn’t he gaining too much power in London? Still he is an alien. What about our diplomats whom we can’t fully trust now?
And I’d hate our diplomats trying to surpass their American colleagues in Azerbaijan who amused themselves with having a brothel in Baku. Perhaps they were also James Bond fans. They were withdrawn.
kathaksung
12-13-2006, 01:12 PM
451. The death of former Russian spy (11/25/06)
Ex-KGB spy Litvinenko died in London on 11/23. He said Kremlin poisoned him. Litvinenko is a traitor of Russia. Russia has motive to kill him. That's the foundation Litvinenko's accusation based on. But I think in different way. The reason:
1. Government rarely do such high profile murder case. Politically it hurts more than being benefited. An unilateral murder like this one would cause serious diplomatic problem between two countries.
2. Such murder used to be done in cross secret deal between the secret police of the two countries.
3. Litvinenko defected in 1990's. There is little intelligence value left for him for the Western. He is a sacrifice in secret deal. Litvinenko and another defector - Lt. Benlenko had a common lot. There is a strong similarity in their poison case. Re: "The thing impressed me most was the pilot was poisoned when he was hidden in witness shelter. Belenko was still young but he was bald. The medical examination concluded that it was caused by slow poison of a kind of rare metal. ....Most likely he became a Quinea pig for intelligence in test of slow poison. When he was of no use but a burden for them. See "186. Slow poison (12/6/03)"" Litvinenko was poisoned by rare metal. He is hairless too.
5. I think he is part of a secret deal. The deal is to justify a dirty bomb, (or even a nuclear bomb). There was such a deal in October. (N. Korea nuclear test and later China arrested two N. Koreans for selling small amount of Uranium.) The deal failed after my revelation. Russia now replaces the role of N.Korea. Russia will play the role of the source of the radioactive material (or even a nuclear bomb).
6. The payment to Russia is WTO and the life of one defector.
Re: "US deal lets Russia join WTO
By Andrew E. Kramer and Edmund L. Andrews
New York Times November 11, 2006
Moscow - Officials in Washington and Moscow reached an agreement in principle for Russia to join the WTO. "
7. The purpose of the deal is to justify a radioactive bombing on Western so Bush can start another Mid-east war - bombing Iran's nuclear site.
8. Litvinenko's case is used to cover up the planned "nuclear terror bombing ". It told public in advance: see, we have a conflict. The bombing plot was not a collaborate work planned by us.
9. If Litvinenko was poisoned on 11/1 as he alleged , then after weeks of medical treatment, he should have got better. Poison used to excreted after several days. What Litvinenko encountered with seems to be a continuing poisoning. His situation suddenly worsened and died on 11/23.
10. Why choosing 11/23? Because it will bring the cover up function into play to its best. I think Feds planned the "nuclear terror attack" day on 11/24. It is the "Black Friday" when the Christmas shopping season starts. An attack on shopping mall will cause large casualty which will give the full justification for Bush to bomb Iran.
The Inside Group had tasted the sweet by attacking people in 911. With which they started war in Afghan and Iraq.
They want to use same tactic to start war in Iran. "October surprise" aimed at the audience of seven NFL football stadiums. "November surprise" (I call it December surprise in #450) aimed at the Christmas shopping customers on Black Friday.
The principle originates from a government plan done 40 years ago:"Casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of indignation." (Quote from Northwoods Operation)
KansasBear
12-19-2006, 08:53 AM
451. The death of former Russian spy (11/25/06)
Ex-KGB spy Litvinenko died in London on 11/23. He said Kremlin poisoned him. Litvinenko is a traitor of Russia. Russia has motive to kill him. That's the foundation Litvinenko's accusation based on. But I think in different way. The reason:
1. Government rarely do such high profile murder case. Politically it hurts more than being benefited. An unilateral murder like this one would cause serious diplomatic problem between two countries.
Excuse me?
Georgii Markov ring any bells??
Anna Politkovskaya??
"The Glasnost Defence Foundation, a Russian NGO representing journalists under threat, claims that 130 journalists have been murdered in Russia since 1991."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3860299.stm
2. Such murder used to be done in cross secret deal between the secret police of the two countries.
Not in such a public manner AND not with polonium 210 which could be(and was!!) trace(d) back to Russia.
"Reports say the source of the polonium 210 has now been traced by British scientists working at the Atomic Weapons Establishment at Aldermaston to a nuclear power plant in Russia."
3. Litvinenko defected in 1990's. There is little intelligence value left for him for the Western.
Which is why he was murdered like Anna Politkovskaya because they both said the same thing about the KGB.
"Putin wanted Blair to gag poisoned spy"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/12/02/times-of-london-p_n_35428.html
He is a sacrifice in secret deal. .
Hearsay.
5. I think he is part of a secret deal. The deal is to justify a dirty bomb, (or even a nuclear bomb). There was such a deal in October. (N. Korea nuclear test and later China arrested two N. Koreans for selling small amount of Uranium.) The deal failed after my revelation. Russia now replaces the role of N.Korea. Russia will play the role of the source of the radioactive material (or even a nuclear bomb).
More hearsay.
6. The payment to Russia is WTO and the life of one defector.
More hearsay....
kathaksung
12-23-2006, 04:52 PM
Excuse me?
Georgii Markov ring any bells??
Anna Politkovskaya??
"The Glasnost Defence Foundation, a Russian NGO representing journalists under threat, claims that 130 journalists have been murdered in Russia since 1991."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3860299.stm
Not in such a public manner AND not with polonium 210 which could be(and was!!) trace(d) back to Russia.
Though it used to be in covert, this time they need it open to public so they could justify the source of dirty bomb.
Which is why he was murdered like Anna Politkovskaya because they both said the same thing about the KGB.
"Putin wanted Blair to gag poisoned spy"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/12/02/times-of-london-p_n_35428.html
Litvinenko defected for a long time, at least 6 years. It's better to murder him when he just defected. Now he is of no intelligence value. What for to kill him right now?
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454. All fool's event (12/10/06)
There is an All Fool's Day. This poison case becomes an all fool's event. The news reported the dead former Russian spy alleged Putin was behind the poison case. It is a very high level case. One thing for sure is this is a murder case. Another thing is the poison was Po-210.
If someone plans to murder, the priority is to make it a covert one. Al least the murderer would try to leave no clue to draw a detection. For intelligence, they have many high tech killing methods, make a death look like a natural death. If they chose to poison, there are still many choices. The poison they use will be hard to identify.
See what poison they used in Litvinenko's case. A rare metal, a radioactive isotope - Polonium-210. Since Po-210 is a high-restricted material, the way to access this material is very limited. Generally, a murderer will avoid to use such kind of material as poison because it's easy to be tracked from its origin.
Po-210 is a hard to handle material. It is radioactive. It needs special treatment in transfer. Otherwise not only the carrier will be hurt, the environment also will be polluted. Why chose a hard to control poison? The murderer has to worry about his own safety while he carry such kind of material.
Po-210 is a radioactive material and is easy to be detected. Murderer should chose more covert poison than an isotope. Isotope is itself used as tracer in scientific research. With instrument, even a tiny amount of isotope could be traced. Why chose an easy to be detected poison?
The poison case is a big joke from the beginning. Litvinenko was said poisoned on 11/1. He died on 11/23. It was 23 days when he was sick. Hospital didn't know what caused his death.
The news of 11/24 reported it as: "strange, rapid decline", "mystery remains". As an outsider, when I saw the picture of a hairless Litvinenko, I knew it's a symptom of heavy metal poison. (Polonium is a heavy metal, but it's rare. In medical, most referred is lead poison. ) That should be common sense of the doctor. How could they fail to find it? Radiation also causes hairless. Doctor should know it.
The media keeps reporting the poisoned case and almost have new discovery everyday. They found it on the airplanes flying between Moscow and London; in the shushi bar, in U.K.'s embassy in Moscow, now even in German. If the route develops to Teheran, Iran, I will not be surprised. Because that is the target this event created for.
But will a perpetrator, try to carry out a murder case with a hard to get material, hard to handle isotope, easy to be tracked poison in his case? Is he an idiot, or a fool?
No, he is not. It's a rogue group which framed a poisoned case to justify a dirty bomb attack, aimed to have another war in Iran. It treats the public all like fools.
Remember this: In Rove's October surprise, N. Korea had a nuclear test. China arrested several N.Koreas for selling Uranium. All to justify the source of dirty bomb attack. I think it went soured after my revelation.
Then in November surprise, Litvinenko died on Polonium from Russia.
Uranium and Polonium are radioactive material. They were used in these cases to justify the source of dirty bomb attack. When it was revealed too, which will be the next? Maybe US itself? One thing is certain, the Inside group won't stop here.
New war is ahead.
KansasBear
12-23-2006, 08:11 PM
Though it used to be in covert, this time they need it open to public so they could justify the source of dirty bomb.
Yes, kill a "spy that is of no intellligence value" for a dirty bomb.
Yeah, real logic there.
:hahanot:
Litvinenko defected for a long time, at least 6 years. It's better to murder him when he just defected. Now he is of no intelligence value. What for to kill him right now?
Why kill someone using Polonium 210? It's called sending a message. Shut up or die.
Follow the logical progression.
1. KGB defector dies from polonium poisoning after investigating Russian reporter's "death".
2. Polonium is traced to Russian reactor
3. After the Brits announce their investigation is going to Russia, Russia starts it's "investigation" and states, "No one will be extradited from Russia".
4. False trails and dead ends.....
Also,
Why would Putin insist Blair have Litvinenko gagged, since he is of "NO INTELLIGENCE VALUE"?
kathaksung
01-02-2007, 06:04 PM
455. "New wars ahead" (12/15/06)
I strongly recommend people to read the article "new wars ahead" written by Jeff Steinberg. It proves my allegation of dirty bomb attack planned by Bush administration is correct.
Quote, "new wars ahead
Jeff Steinberg
Executive Intelligence Review. Nov. 17, 2006
Whichever party lands in the White House come January 2009, the neo-cons hope to be there to share in the spoils. Either way, they are busily organizing a ``Get Iran'' war alliance with frightened Sunni regimes in the Persian Gulf and Arab world and Israel--to make sure that the Bush-Cheney regime commits one more fatal atrocity--a military strike on Iran's purported secret nuclear weapons sites--before leaving office (see preceding article). ...........
Several senior Washington intelligence veterans, and one regional vice president of a major U.S. defense firm, say that their greatest fear-- between now and the New Year when the Democrats take the keys to Capitol Hill back--is a ``Gulf of Tonkin'' incident, a provocation covertly arranged originating from Washington, that would provide the pretext for war. The most likely target of such a scheme: Iran. The most likely architect of such an operation: Dick Cheney and his remaining coterie of neo-con troublemakers and whatever assets they have recruited from within the Special Forces community and the ``black operations'' side of the intelligence community. One burning question is whether President Bush has already signed a Presidential Intelligence Finding, authorizing these covert tricks. "
www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2006/2006_40-49/2006-46/index.html
Steinberg's article published on 11/17. He said that Cheney's office now becomes the Neo-con central and that they are organizing a Sunni alliance (include Syria, Jordan, Saudi, Egypt) in Mid-east to fight against Shiite (Iran, Hasbolla). His point of view was proved very correct. One week later, on 11/25, Cheney made a sudden visit to Saudi. Obviously to talk about that alliance.
Steinberg's fear about a "Gulf of Tonkin" incident, was well described by my continuous postings about October Surprise and November Surprise. The framed case is a dirty bomb attack. To justify the source of radioactive material, they made secret deals with China, N. Korea and then Russia. These plots went soured after my revelation. What's next? The possibility is to frame a domestic case. Here is a news reported 5 days ago. I think it was released on purpose.
Re: "Nuclear fuels leaving Bay Area
By Ian Hoffman Media News
The Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory recently began shedding its supply of plutonium and enriched uranium - capable of producing dozens of nuclear bombs - with a secret shipment to the Los Alamos National Laboratory.
Details of the first and future shipments, including their timing as well as the mass and form of the material remained classified, according to federal officials."
(Mercury News Dec. 10, 2006)
We don't know what motivated the recent shipment of nuclear material. It will certainly create a chance of "missing" shipment in transfer. I don't think it's a coincidence they release the news at this time, when Rove's October and November Surprise failed to be carried out.
kathaksung
01-11-2007, 08:29 PM
The similarity of two Russian defectors. Both were poisoned by rare metal. Both were hairless.
186. Slow poison (12/6/03) (continue to message 181 and 182)
When I thought over what happened to the sandwich and beef soup. I recalled an article in Readers' digest. It was a story about a defect Russian pilot.
Lt. Viktor Belenko drove a Mig-25 to Nakodate, Japan on 9/6/1976. The Mig-25 was the most advanced fighter in Russia at that time. US experts flied to Japan, dismantled the plane and had a thorough examination. They returned the dismantled Mig fighter to Soviet Union about ten days later. The defect pilot, was under "witness protection" and lived in somewhere US.
I noticed the article talked about that once authority had suspected this was a fake defection because the expert found some most important part of technique were missing in the plane. The article also talked about that Belenko refused a huge rewards. (millions of dollars) He said he wanted to make a living by his own hands. That his defection was not for money but for opinion. It's real incredible for money oriented intelligence, I think.
The thing impressed me most was the pilot was poisoned when he was hidden in witness shelter. Belenko was still young but he was bald. The medical examination concluded that it was caused by slow poison of a kind of rare metal. (I forgot the name of that metal) The article, of course, alleged it to the work of KGB. I don't believe it. Few people would know where the pilot was if he was under "witness protection". And it was easy to identify the person who had access to pilot's food. (Slow poison took a long time work.) Most likely he became a Quinea pig for intelligence in test of slow poison. When he was of no use but a burden for them.
There are many such examples. The most known one were former Phillipine President Marcos, and former Iranian Tsar Barlivie. When they were rulers they were loyal ally of US. Once they lost power and had to drift abroad they became a political burden of US. Because they were ousted by their own people. Barlivie even couldn't find a shelter in US.. They both died in a short time. ( in about three years or less?) Marcos died of kidney failure and Barlivie died of cancer(?)
There are many advantages of slow poison murder. 1. Work covertly. All death are like a natural one. (like diabetes, kidney failure, cancer...) 2. Control the death on will. They can make target getting sick by slow poison, once the death is neccesary for Feds, what they have to do is just increase the dose, the target died to intelligence' demand without causing a suspicion. 3. Deniable. If the lethal dose is 100 gram, they can dilute the actual poison dose at 1 gram each. So it's safe for them even if they were caught. Because it' s not lethal. 4. It's hard to track because the dose each time used is a tiny one.
This explains what happened in sandwich and beef soup story. The people involved behaved strangely. They thought there was something in food. Nobody knew it was a slow poison, and anybody could eat it and nothing would have happened unless they were fed for a long time. Later, I still noticed they slowly poisoned me. I omit the story here because there is more urge information to tell. I'll post them if there is chance.
Though I couldn't feel the poison before. The situation changed this year. Since this July, they aggressively intensified the persecution. Include poison which I think led to the cancer outbroke of my father in law. I can feel uncomfort after eating poisoned food. This is one reason I said they are going crazy. Feds increased poison dose. They are in a hurry