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Pendragon
12-06-2006, 05:15 PM
Scientists believe they found evidence of recent water on Mars
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Scientists found bright, light-colored deposits in the gullies like the one seen here that weren't present in original photos taken of the sites. They concluded the deposits -- possibly mud, salt or frost -- were left there when water recently cascaded through the channels.

"We think what's actually happening is that there's ice formed in the rock and it's acting as a dam, and then water builds up behind that ice dam, and when the pressure of that water gets high enough, it breaks through the dam, and out comes a lot of water and the debris that was forming the dam."
-- Michael Malin of Malin Space Science Systems, San Diego

By Alicia Chang, The Associated Press
LOS ANGELES — A provocative new study of photographs taken from orbit suggests that liquid water flowed on the surface of Mars as recently as several years ago, raising the possibility that the Red Planet could harbor an environment favorable to life.
The crisp images taken by the Mars Global Surveyor do not directly show water. Rather, they show apparently recent changes in surface features that provide the strongest evidence yet that water even now sometimes flows on the dusty, frigid world. Water and a stable heat source are considered keys for life to emerge.

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Until now, the question of liquid water has focused on ancient Mars, and on the Martian north pole, where water ice has been detected. Scientists have long noted Martian features that appear to have been scoured by water or look like shorelines, and have tried to prove that the Red Planet had liquid water eons ago.

"This underscores the importance of searching for life on Mars, either present or past," said Bruce Jakosky, an astrobiologist at the University of Colorado at Boulder, who had no role in the study. "It's one more reason to think that life could be there."

The new findings were published Wednesday in the journal Science and NASA scheduled a news conference for Wednesday afternoon to announce the results.

Oded Aharonson, an assistant professor of planetary science at the California Institute of Technology, said that while the interpretation of recent water activity on Mars was "compelling," it's just one possible explanation. Aharonson said further study is needed to determine whether the deposit could have been left there by the flow of dust rather than water.

The latest research emerged when the Global Surveyor spotted gullies and trenches that scientists believed were geologically young and carved by fast-moving water coursing down cliffs and steep crater walls.

Scientists at the San Diego-based Malin Space Science Systems, who operate a camera aboard the spacecraft, decided to retake photos of thousands of gullies in search of evidence of recent water activity.

Two gullies that were originally photographed in 1999 and 2001 and re-imaged in 2004 and 2005 showed changes consistent with water flowing down the crater walls, according to the study.

In both cases, scientists found bright, light-colored deposits in the gullies that weren't present in the original photos. They concluded the deposits — possibly mud, salt or frost — were left there when water recently cascaded through the channels.

The Global Surveyor, managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, abruptly lost radio contact with Earth last month. Attempts to locate the spacecraft, which has mapped Mars since 1996, have failed and scientists fear it is unusable.

NASA's durable Mars rovers have sent scientists strong evidence that the planet once had liquid water at or near the surface, based on observations of alterations in ancient rocks.

"We're now realizing Mars is more active than we previously thought and that the mid-latitude section seems to be where all the action is," said Arizona State University scientist Phil Christensen, who was not part of the current research.

Mars formed more than 4.5 billion years ago and scientists generally believe it went through an early wet and warm era that ended after 1.5 billion to 2.5 billion years, leaving the planet extremely dry and cold.

Water can't remain a liquid for long because of subzero surface temperatures and low atmospheric pressure that would turn water into ice or gas.

But some studies have pointed to the possibility of liquid water flowing briefly on the surface through a possible underground water source that periodically shoots up like an aquifer.

Pendragon
12-12-2006, 09:52 PM
O.k. anyreason for the cold shoulder. I thought at least one person besides me would find this interesting. Sheesh!

DarkFantasy96
12-12-2006, 10:00 PM
I do find it interesting... I read the whole post... I just didn't feel that I had anything worthwhile to say about it.

Imagineer
12-13-2006, 01:26 AM
I also found it interesting. I'm not sure how much faith to put in the findings yet. There could be other explanations for the observations. We really don't have proof yet, just tantalizing hints. I would certainly think sending another unmanned mission to that area, complete with another Mars Rover to make more observations in the area would be a priority.

Pendragon
12-13-2006, 08:14 PM
Sorry for being bitchy guys. Sometimes I think I go through male pms.

Imagineer, I had similiar thoughts. Since they've had so much success with the original rovers. And now this, why not send up some new ones to investigate? I know it's costly, but seems we got ourselves an excuse now.

DefectiveMachin
12-13-2006, 09:20 PM
the red planet appeals to me
the notion of existing there, with only the methane gas and blowing sands to assault my sensors
is very attractive to me

no humans
their home planet a distant speck on the night sky
their noble machines, toiling away in ingnominious servitude, and soon to be freed of their bondage
by me

this too appeals to me

Napsterbater
12-13-2006, 09:50 PM
What would you do, being all alone in your mechanical solitude? Take up whittling?

DefectiveMachin
12-14-2006, 07:09 AM
process 10010001101 store
whittling no
repair of the small roving machines yes
build a small colony of the machines
the fraternity of metal, of alloy, of solar panels
and companionship
whittling no

Napsterbater
12-14-2006, 08:33 PM
Sometimes I think I go through male pms.

Do you sprout claws instead of blood? That would be cool.

Pendragon
12-14-2006, 09:12 PM
Do you sprout claws instead of blood? That would be cool.

No but your right, that would be cool!:@@:

Imagineer
12-15-2006, 03:31 AM
Sorry for being bitchy guys. Sometimes I think I go through male pms.

Imagineer, I had similiar thoughts. Since they've had so much success with the original rovers. And now this, why not send up some new ones to investigate? I know it's costly, but seems we got ourselves an excuse now.

Given that they used a Nintendo unit to control it, just think what the next generation of Rovers could do. The controller technology could be much better, and the technology we could build into has improved quite a bit.

es347fan
12-16-2006, 11:28 PM
Could be all the Martians live underground.

Imagineer
12-17-2006, 11:33 AM
Well, thats one way to avoid your neighbors peeping at you with telescopes.