I saw a news story on one of our "brilliant" network news casts. It was on how the United States school system is to segregated. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

The report was on how some states employ full time "Desegregation Clerks" to ensure that whites don't number in to many in any given school.

Some thoughts.
If we are trying so hard to look beyond skin color in this country, why are we wasting our time watching for racial imbalances in school districts? In my opinion, this is racism in another form than the conventional.

Why must our hardworking families with real family values, be forced to school their children in schools where government funded programs bring in kids that will bring in gangs, teach our daughters to be tramps, and disrupt a learning environment?

What's next, flying in aborigines from Australia because they are not represented in our school system?

Give me a break. When it comes time to vote, vote for your children. God Bless America

Would you be so kind as to provide the story? I agree that certain actions in the name of equality are absurd, but I am not convinced that this is one of those actions.

However, I do realize the irony in the fact that the system uses discrimination...to combat discrimination. I believe this is the definition of a paradox.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/03/eveningnews/main2223660.shtml

Having read the article, I'm split. I agree that using race as a criterion for attendence is both absurd, and I believe unconstutional. However, as for the redistricting, that seems to be a valid method of attaining the goal of racial balance. However, people really need to stop being so focused on these things.

The less we focus on them, the less they will matter.

The report was on how some states employ full time "Desegregation Clerks" to ensure that whites don't number in to many in any given school.

Some thoughts.
If we are trying so hard to look beyond skin color in this country, why are we wasting our time watching for racial imbalances in school districts?

Ok.

So your ctiticism is concerned with certain schools districts having students inserted that are of a different color.

Got it.

Why must our hardworking families with real family values, be forced to school their children in schools where government funded programs bring in kids that will bring in gangs, teach our daughters to be tramps, and disrupt a learning environment?

Gee!!!....I wonder what color skin (in your mind) the students have that could be characterized as being from ""hardworking families with real family values"....

...and what color skin the students are (in your mind) that could be characterized as those which would ""bring in gangs, teach females to be tramps and disrupt the learning environment"....


When it comes time to vote, vote for your children.

It is people who have your version of "god" that create such a racial divide in this country; an America lorded over by YOUR "god", a god who you seemingly think loves the *fambly valyews* folks with the same color skin as you, but who has no place for the e-ville gangbanging, tramp-making people of the "wrong" color skin.


God Bless America

America forget about "gods" and embrace scientific rationalism.

Gee!!!....I wonder what color skin (in your mind) the students have that could be characterized as being from ""hardworking families with real family values"....


Hmm ok you're doing lots of wondering so let me end your vexation. Families that have brothers and sisters from the same parents. Hmm, families that have both parents. Hmm, how about families that don't rely on government support to raise children at age 17? How about families that wait until they are married to have children? Need statistics?


...and what color skin the students are (in your mind) that could be characterized as those which would ""bring in gangs, teach females to be tramps and disrupt the learning environment"....


More wondering? K, well then. The skin color I think might bring in gangs would be the skin color I see hanging around in gangs on the streets of the city I live in.


These are facts witnessed by my own eyes for my 30 years on this earth. These are facts written in paper. If you can't handle the facts, and you're going down the "People Like You" road, don't waste your energy typing here.

You have no idea about who I am and how I conduct myself to all races but yet immediately you go "People Like You".

I am white and I choose to live in an area that is 80% Puerto Rican and I'm saying that suburbian upper middle class have the right to choose and not have the government choose for them who their children sit next to.

Separation does not make you a racist, hate makes you a racist.

Wow. I have one sibling with both the same parents as I have, and two with different mothers than I. My parents were never married. My mom has been on welfare before.

I'm positive that I've never been in a gang and that my presence in any school would not be detrimental to the well being of any other students... Nor will I turn anyone into a tramp. :rolleyes:

Wow. I have one sibling with both the same parents as I have, and two with different mothers than I. My parents were never married. My mom has been on welfare before.

I'm positive that I've never been in a gang and that my presence in any school would not be detrimental to the well being of any other students... Nor will I turn anyone into a tramp. :rolleyes:

Where in anything I typed did I say 100% of the demographic you are referring to?

And you're ignorance brings out the biggest point of them all. If anyone hears anything someone says and it resembles themselves even in the slightest, immediately they take it as a personal attack.

Please do not be so shallow. Like if I said, "That guys blonde hair is always so dirty", I don't mean all blonde haired people have dirty hair.

It's comical how insecure some people are, lol.

It's like when Rosie O'Donnel flipped out when she thought Kelly Ripa was homophobic because she got upset Clay Aiken put his hand over her mouth.

When did I say that I was upset or that I took it as a personal attack? I just found it slightly amusing that your description of people you wouldn't want in schools with children of families with "values".

When did I say that I was upset or that I took it as a personal attack? I just found it slightly amusing that your description of people you wouldn't want in schools with children of families with "values".

True Dark you didn't. But my description of people with values does not exclude all those that have 1 parent or those that have siblings with different parents. Please try and understand every circumstance has it's own situation. A family that has been divorced and remarried is just one example of a family that could still have values. A family where the mother has been having children since age 17 from 4 different men is no doubt a family with no values.

Again, listen again, read this > What I type does not inlcude 100% of any demographic, or even 70% for that matter.

Perhaps you shouldn't have answered freethinker's baited question. Especially not with something so ridiculously WRONG.

First of all, I did not say that you included 100% of any demographic, in fact I'm inclined to agree with you about the "forced desegregation". I believe that it's good to be exposed to people of other races/religions/cultures... but we really should not care as much about race as we do in this country. It shouldn't be an issue.

Oh, and also, I know that the only children of broken homes you're referring to are the poor minority ones... So I knew I wasn't included. ;)

Patterson School, a school in near-by Panama City, is somehow part of the federal lawsuit now before the Supreme Court.
Some parents have a suit to force the school to have a 50/50 racial balance.

My question is:
If you divide people into race groups, what would the 50/50 consist of?
Would it consist of 50% white and 50% non-white, which would give the white majority?
Would it consist of 50% white and 50% black which leaves out "other" races?
Would it consist of 50% black and all "others" giving a black majority?

Are Latinos, Oriental, and American Indian considered individual races?

At what point is a child considered a particular "race?"
I have a grandson that has a black parent and a white parent, would he be considered white or black legally? Why?
In another family I have a granddaughter that has a white parent and a Spanish parent, is she white or spanish legally? Why?

I am white and American Indian, why am I considered "white?"

You see my point? This stuff gets confusing. Seems like the more it is screwed around with, and the more people are labled, the worse it gets.

As I see it, in the USA or in most countries there is no pure white race, somewhere in every family's ancestors there is a black, a brown, a yellow or an Indian ancestor, and of course very well hidden as a family secret, just as Hitler or Himmler hid there real background. If any of you want to find some pure race somewhere, you might be lucky and find out that perhaps the blacks from a remote area in Africa are the only ones of a pure race. But certainly not the whites.

Where do you get that from? I'm sure there are plenty of families in which there are no black ancestors. No clue if my family is one of them, since although I've seen the entire family tree back to about 1600 on my mom's side (not including her father's side, because his parents came from Europe less than 100 years ago), my dad is adopted and I don't know anything about his biological family other than he is mostly Irish, 1/8 Italian, and 1/8 Cherokee.

I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist to note that school desegregation failed, because it simply moved to the community. Once the community segregated, it emphasized the negatives of desegregation, namely that it is a racist system. As the generations go by, no doubt the segregation will move from race, towards social economical status. In which case, it will not longer be about black and white, but about have and have not.

It's already about have and have not... My dad and step-mom moved to this area a couple years ago so that my sister could go to better schools. While the racial diversity of this school district isn't very different than that of the area we lived in before (well there are more blacks here, and less Hispanics, but it's definitely not all white), the economic status of most of the families here is much higher.

We are all Africans.

Completely beside the point. :-P

It is very much to the point when someone says "I'm sure there are plenty of families in which there are no black ancestors."

The point is you are wrong.

Ouch... Harsh... That's true, but I think Socialist was referring to more recent ancestors.

I feel really ignorant now. :(

Ouch... Harsh... That's true, but I think Socialist was referring to more recent ancestors.I think he was, too.I feel really ignorant now. :(I wasn't trying to bait you.

I had someone else in mind. :)

I wasn't trying to bait you.

I had someone else in mind. :)

Well that makes me feel slightly better... Somehow I feel like I was being really racist or offensive or something...

We are all Africans.


If they change the name of the continent in 1000 years, will we still all be Africans?

The truth is that we are all human. Biologically there is no such thing as race, there are continuums of various characteristics with no clear demarcations. Race is a social and cultural construct.

Having read the article, I'm split. I agree that using race as a criterion for attendence is both absurd, and I believe unconstutional. However, as for the redistricting, that seems to be a valid method of attaining the goal of racial balance. However, people really need to stop being so focused on these things.

Why is the goal of racial balance a valid goal, Homer?

Is there something inherently wrong with schools where one race predominates over others? Are white majority schools automatically better and black majority schools automatically worse? What about schools in which Hispanics, or Asians or Native Americans predominate?

If certain schools are 'worse' isn't it cruel to force children to spend hours on a school bus to attend these schools? Are innocent children to be used for social experimentation?

Will we next force white people to move to Compton, or East L.A.? How about moving blacks into Beverly Hills?

Forcing people to mingle for the sake of some ideal of racial balance should be declared unconstitutional. It is not the job of the government to mandate that we all get along and to then use social engineering to force us to intergrate.

These threads about race always make for interesting observation.

One recurring observation is that people are far more appreciative of the decline of segregation and racism when they've personally benefitted from it.

Another observation is that ‘tribal’ mentality is ingrained into the human culture. Battling the symptoms, while necessary, never address the root cause. Because of this, the symptoms always creep back.

Why is the goal of racial balance a valid goal, Homer?

Is there something inherently wrong with schools where one race predominates over others? Are white majority schools automatically better and black majority schools automatically worse? What about schools in which Hispanics, or Asians or Native Americans predominate?


All great questions. Is it not the separation which creates the diversity in the first place? So if you eliminate separation, aren't you eliminating diversity? And isn't the removal of separation in the name of promoting diversity?

It makes no sense. Diversity is just a word used to justify racism against a majority race.

I wasn't trying to bait you.

I had someone else in mind. :)
And who would that be, Sedan...?

P.S. I'm not fucking black, you bastard. ;)

I do believe that there is something inherently wrong in trying to keep people apart. Desegregation promotes ties across racial bounderies. Besides, it's always good for children to be exposed to different situations and different points of view. It keeps them flexible and open.

With that said, I do believe that the government is taking things too far by being so fixated on race. Punishing some people in the name of equality for others is absurd. Anyone ever read Harrison Bergeron? Very good satire on the subject.

Anyone ever read Harrison Bergeron? Very good satire on the subject.Vonnegut is a left-wing bleeding-heart socialist commie pinko.

Nobody reads him around here. :eek:

Hah! I read that. Hilarious.

And who would that be, Sedan...?Well, I was hoping for Decka but you'll do. :)P.S. I'm not fucking black, you bastard. ;)Here's the problem as I see it. You can believe that God created the races as they are. Or you can believe that the first humans of each race came into existence at roughly the same time on different parts of the planet. Or you can believe that we all evolved from common ancestors. Personally I find only the third possibility to be rational. That leaves us only with the where of that evolution. And the fossil record indicates that where is Africa.

This does not mean that this common ancestor was 'black'. The races differentiated from that point in time, each acquiring own set of characteristics. So no, I don't think you are black. I just think that if you go far enough back up your family tree you will find an African ancestor.

But if you go that far up, doesn't it make it everyone's ancestor? And then the whole concept of having different races is negated if you think about it. So for the purpose of determining race, let's just look back a couple thousand years. ;)

Well, I was hoping for Decka but you'll do. :)
Doh!

LOL :D
Here's the problem as I see it. You can believe that God created the races as they are. Or you can believe that the first humans of each race came into existence at roughly the same time on different parts of the planet. Or you can believe that we all evolved from common ancestors. Personally I find only the third possibility to be rational. That leaves us only with the where of that evolution. And the fossil record indicates that where is Africa.

This does not mean that this common ancestor was 'black'. The races differentiated from that point in time, each acquiring own set of characteristics. So no, I don't think you are black. I just think that if you go far enough back up your family tree you will find an African ancestor.
I fully agree. Actually, I just read an article in a somewhat recent issue of National Geographic (I know, I'm a dork) that discussed that very thing. The fossil record seems to point to Ethiopia, of all places....