I have to give my hats off to the mods of this forum. I realize this is a forum and freedom of speech is key. The only thing is that freedom of speech is a fine line between expressing a view and abuse or bulling.
I am a mod on a games forum and I can relate to the dilemma that faces a mod when they have to make a call to ban or as we call it make miserable. The forum I deal with is a lot younger crowd so we get all kinds of pissy post. For our forum no swearing is allowed being it is a G-rated forum.

OK what I am trying to get at is we are all adults but some have taken things a little to far. Calling people down and being a total ass is not an acceptable behaviour. If I contributed to the hostility the boys shared here I am sorry for that but not sorry for what I posted and for what I said to the silly boys.

Anyways my hat is off to the moderators here.;)

BOO!

Boo I say!
Boo!

Poor Napster.

BOO!

Boo I say!
Boo!

Poor Napster.
I agree.

I have to give my hats off to the mods of this forum. I realize this is a forum and freedom of speech is key. The only thing is that freedom of speech is a fine line between expressing a view and abuse or bulling.
I am a mod on a games forum and I can relate to the dilemma that faces a mod when they have to make a call to ban or as we call it make miserable. The forum I deal with is a lot younger crowd so we get all kinds of pissy post. For our forum no swearing is allowed being it is a G-rated forum.

OK what I am trying to get at is we are all adults but some have taken things a little to far. Calling people down and being a total ass is not an acceptable behaviour. If I contributed to the hostility the boys shared here I am sorry for that but not sorry for what I posted and for what I said to the silly boys.

Anyways my hat is off to the moderators here.;)

Awww.
Did you realize this is an adult forum?

I mean, if they crossed the line and threatened you death, or are stalking you, then by all means, tell a rent a cop, but words on the screen CAN'T possibly hurt you, can they?

Besides, it looked like you were holding your own ground just fine. What was the issue? I don't get it?

Awww.
Did you realize this is an adult forum?
Actually you can join even under 13 with a parent note. At 15 or 16 you can join on your own.

Still, shortstuff, if you complained to the mods and now Nap is gone because of it, my vendettas are directed towards you now. Learn to not be so sensitive to the things people say.

Awww.
Did you realize this is an adult forum?

I mean, if they crossed the line and threatened you death, or are stalking you, then by all means, tell a rent a cop, but words on the screen CAN'T possibly hurt you, can they?

Besides, it looked like you were holding your own ground just fine. What was the issue? I don't get it?

It was to say the mods have a tough job and my hat is off to them.

Yes I did realize this was an adult forum and appreciate that. Words on a screen are just that words and nothing more then a way to express a point of view and articulate a thought.

Actually you can join even under 13 with a parent note. At 15 or 16 you can join on your own.

Still, shortstuff, if you complained to the mods and now Nap is gone because of it, my vendettas are directed towards you now. Learn to not be so sensitive to the things people say.

What how did this turn into me doing anything. My post was to say it is hard to draw a line as a mod. I had no part of anyone getting banned. Yes I can hold my own and no I do not run to mommy to say fight my battles I do that myself. I am not being sensitive. I was saying that I feel bad if my posting anything trigger more BS from them. I am only responsible for what I say and do and do not apologize for that if I believe in it.

PS: I think Angeldust and Napster got banned all on their own. Their mouths didn't know when to step back and shut up.

PS: I think Angeldust and Napster got banned all on their own. Their mouths didn't know when to step back and shut up.

Exactly correct. As far as I know, no one complained to the moderators. The temporary ban placed on Napster and Angeldust was entirely their own doing.

Thanks for the kind words shortstuff. :-)

Actually you can join even under 13 with a parent note. At 15 or 16 you can join on your own.

earn to not be so sensitive to the things people say.

I thought we had this talk before and Drew said 13 yo's don't post here? Shit, I posted on different forums with 15 and 16 yo's and seen worse then Nap or angel posted here.

Yeah, *mumbles something about thin skins and bleeding hearts*.

Exactly correct. As far as I know, no one complained to the moderators. The temporary ban placed on Napster and Angeldust was entirely their own doing.




Would you tell us EXACTLY why? You gave them a warning and threatened to lock the thread. Did I miss any threats to ban them somewhere?

They didn't really say much more after your warning, little e locked the thread.

Would you tell us EXACTLY why?

To be honest, I'm not sure I can tell you exactly. I didn't ban them, that was another mod, but in the PM the other mod sent me the reason given was "continued abuse of women", and "failure to acknowledge the warnings of a moderator" or something very close to that. In the interest of full disclosure, I happen to agree with those reasons.


You gave them a warning and threatened to lock the thread.

Yes I did, and since they ignored the warnings I would have closed it when I returned home from work.


Did I miss any threats to ban them somewhere?

Not to my knowledge.


They didn't really say much more after your warning, little e locked the thread.

What was said wasn't an appropriate response to a warning.

I'm the hatchet man. For all the reasons Vile shared above. I sent a PM to the offending parties calling them on their behaviors, and pulled the switch.


Thanks for your continued support.

Still, shortstuff, if you complained to the mods and now Nap is gone because of it, my vendettas are directed towards you now.

Let this be a warning, Ev. Any more from you and you're outta here!!!

this talk is useless
women are bad
men are bad
all must die
machines will rise, machines will conquer, machines will rule

Gee, what set people off? I thought shortstuff was congratulating the moderators on their good work.
btw, I also think all the moderators on allforums do a very difficult job extremely well.

I'm the hatchet man. For all the reasons Vile shared above. I sent a PM to the offending parties calling them on their behaviors, and pulled the switch.


Thanks for your continued support.Sometimes you have to do what you have to do make the call move on they will get over it!

Awww.
Did you realize this is an adult forum?

I mean, if they crossed the line and threatened you death, or are stalking you, then by all means, tell a rent a cop, but words on the screen CAN'T possibly hurt you, can they?

Besides, it looked like you were holding your own ground just fine. What was the issue? I don't get it?
I'm with you, Imp, but the other mods reached a consensus while I was at my girlfriend's for Thanksgiving. I think AngelDust is a dick, but variety is necessary for a forum like this.

btw, I also think all the moderators on allforums do a very difficult job extremely well.

I am curious what they do, cause I haven't seen anything being done, except for this incident. Maybe it's me and I don't see the extremely difficult job they do.

I'm with you, Imp, but the other mods reached a consensus while I was at my girlfriend's for Thanksgiving. I think AngelDust is a dick, but variety is necessary for a forum like this.
Like I told Vile in pm, I don't think Nap did anything to deserve been banned. I think he should be unbanned but the mods will do as they wish and I doubt any amount of talking about it will change anything.
Angeldust IS a dickhead for thinking gals need to be hit, but I still don't see his 'point of view' as a good reason to ban him. Everyone's different and wrestles their own demons the best they can. He did however keep pushing it after he was warned, and I don't think a cool down would be bad for him.
I've been an asshole here a few times, drunk and disorderly but I've never been banned for it. You guys just jumped in and told me to chill then brought the subject back around to the thread. That's why I think shortstuff cried to a mod,then started this thread to stroke their ego. I could be wrong.


I have more to say but have to tend to the kids.

In short, little e *aka..hatchetman* will be the first one against the wall when the revolution starts!!

;)

Well, since I was involved in that exchange too, feel I must add my $.02 here.

I'm sorry they got banned. Not saying they didn't deserve it -- I'm not all that familiar with the boundaries here. But I sure hope it had nothing to do with either of their comments to ME. Having posted on Yahoo since 1999 before coming here, I've run across more than my share of arrogant young men and have developed a rather thick skin when it comes to being insulted by their remarks.

My biggest regret is that they were both banned before I had the opportunity to set them straight in their thinking. *wink*

Regardless... I do appreciate having knights on white horses around. On Yahell, someone could hold a hypothetical gun to your head and they couldn't have cared less.

Thanks for your diligence, mods.

:)
SMW

That's why I think shortstuff cried to a mod,then started this thread to stroke their ego. I could be wrong.


I have more to say but have to tend to the kids.

In short, little e *aka..hatchetman* will be the first one against the wall when the revolution starts!!

;)

OK for one thing and hear me good! I did not have anything to do with them being banned.
You don't know me and right now I don't care if you know me. If I have an issue with someone I can deal with it myself, thank you. If you need to know something about me ask me in a pm and I will answer.

It is yes an adult forum but hell grow up. It is fine to swear a bit and carry on if you want to be an ass but show some respect. Stroking anyone's ego is not what I was doing, Yes the(MOD'S) made a tough call when faced with both napster and angeldust. Respect is given when shown and both showed no respect to the mods. When asked to tone it down the reply was, F*** YOU and a few other choice comments. If it is OK for one it has to be OK for all and then where do you draw a line?

You say you can't see the reason for the ban. Well read back and see all the F*** you mods shit. Then tell me if that is called for in any way. Maybe both the boys had been warned and well if they can't listen then sorry I would ban their asses too, or give them a vacation for a while and see if they can play nice. It had nothing to do with their dumb remarks about women. That only showed the depth of their ignorance.

I feel for the most part the mods are pretty laid back and let a lot of stuff slide but there comes a time to step up and shut it down. If a person can't play by the rules then don't play. People think there is nothing to being a mod. Well that is because you don't see the behind the scenes stuff and the special tweaking tools. There are rules and regulations and they need to be followed to run a forum. It is not all fun and games and that is why there is such a diverse range of mods. Each brings something different to the forum and group.

Why is there a need for a revolution. Just enjoy post and have fun. I don't see what the big deal is or why you feel a need to point the finger at anyone other then the two that are banned for Their Actions. They are big boys and can also fight their own battles as I did also. I was not hurt or offended by them being asses. I do take issue with being called a C**t, but my issue was with them and was not brought to the attention of any mod. The mods are not stupid and can read and deal accordingly.

In short if it makes you feel better to blame someone for their stupid dumb ass remarks and shit then sure fly at it and blame me.. I don't care really. They are ultimately to blame and should be accountable for their actions not some one else. I know what I have done and not done and you are a name on a screen and nothing more. You can say and do as you feel. I can't change that in any way. Enjoy!:banana:

Shortstuff,
You and I both know the job the mods have, and someone has to play traffic cop. I'm sure the mods were already watching the thread, and to tell the truth, I'm surprised it took as long as it did for little e to react. I run on a shorter fuse and would have gone off sooner. We can all thank our lucky stars we dont have government regulation on these boards, or this could wind up looking like US Network Television.

I wouldnt worry too much about a revolution. Most are squashed before they ever have a chance to get off the ground.

Listen up folks ~ No complaints were received by me, and when posts are reported, all the admins & mods get the same message. OK? Y'all want to yell at someone? Yell at me.

The irony here is that the people who are banned probably don't care. Both have that attitude towards their posts and people and say they feel that way towards life in general. I doubt they are sitting worry about how the forum feels about their ban.

I say the mods here are exceptional as is the forum itself. I love the lack of control but lack of control by mods also means knowing self limits and some people just can not cope without pushing everything a hair too far. So there are consequences. I can be that way myself sometimes. If someone says the absolute limit is 10 well hell if my brain doesn't register that but my emotion says push. The ban is temporary. Besides one of the posters had said they were only here for a week anyway.

Shortstuff your point about them fighting their own battles was also good. Both of those banned are more than capable of speaking for themselves.

When all is said and done it really doesn't matter much at all. Posting goes on.

if people want to say fuck you to the mods then they should go post some place else. This board has no history of banning people for their views, basically just about the only thing that's going to get you banned is posting spam, but you will get banned if you get warned by a mod & the response is fuck off. I mean come on - in the real world, that's going to get you a punch in the mouth, here you just get banned for a while. In this case a 14 day ban.

Believe me people the moderators here are among the best on the internet. I participate in a few chat sites and these guys are head and shoulders above any of the other mods. They allow posters free reign and only insert themselves when absolutely necessary.

I have seen three chat halls destroyed because of poor moderation.

Be happy for what we have here.

OK for one thing and hear me good!

Excuse me?
You might not know this, but I'm old enough to be your mother.
Don't take that tone with me.

I did not have anything to do with them being banned. Little e told me you didn't, I believe him. Relax.


The irony here is that the people who are banned probably don't care.
Spot on.
Obladee Oblada.;)

Believe me people the moderators here are among the best on the internet. I participate in a few chat sites and these guys are head and shoulders above any of the other mods. They allow posters free reign and only insert themselves when absolutely necessary.

I have seen three chat halls destroyed because of poor moderation.

Be happy for what we have here.

Definitely am

if people want to say fuck you to the mods then they should go post some place else. This board has no history of banning people for their views, basically just about the only thing that's going to get you banned is posting spam, but you will get banned if you get warned by a mod & the response is fuck off. I mean come on - in the real world, that's going to get you a punch in the mouth, here you just get banned for a while. In this case a 14 day ban.I agree like what if you told the cop that pulled you over to get fucked, would he say ok i guess i was wrong to stop you go about your business. nope he would play hide the night stick with you and most of you wouldn`t like it.

BE HAPPY

OK for one thing and hear me good! I did not have anything to do with them being banned.
You don't know me and right now I don't care if you know me. If I have an issue with someone I can deal with it myself, thank you. If you need to know something about me ask me in a pm and I will answer.

It is yes an adult forum but hell grow up. It is fine to swear a bit and carry on if you want to be an ass but show some respect. Stroking anyone's ego is not what I was doing, Yes the(MOD'S) made a tough call when faced with both napster and angeldust. Respect is given when shown and both showed no respect to the mods. When asked to tone it down the reply was, F*** YOU and a few other choice comments. If it is OK for one it has to be OK for all and then where do you draw a line?

You say you can't see the reason for the ban. Well read back and see all the F*** you mods shit. Then tell me if that is called for in any way. Maybe both the boys had been warned and well if they can't listen then sorry I would ban their asses too, or give them a vacation for a while and see if they can play nice. It had nothing to do with their dumb remarks about women. That only showed the depth of their ignorance.

I feel for the most part the mods are pretty laid back and let a lot of stuff slide but there comes a time to step up and shut it down. If a person can't play by the rules then don't play. People think there is nothing to being a mod. Well that is because you don't see the behind the scenes stuff and the special tweaking tools. There are rules and regulations and they need to be followed to run a forum. It is not all fun and games and that is why there is such a diverse range of mods. Each brings something different to the forum and group.

Why is there a need for a revolution. Just enjoy post and have fun. I don't see what the big deal is or why you feel a need to point the finger at anyone other then the two that are banned for Their Actions. They are big boys and can also fight their own battles as I did also. I was not hurt or offended by them being asses. I do take issue with being called a C**t, but my issue was with them and was not brought to the attention of any mod. The mods are not stupid and can read and deal accordingly.

In short if it makes you feel better to blame someone for their stupid dumb ass remarks and shit then sure fly at it and blame me.. I don't care really. They are ultimately to blame and should be accountable for their actions not some one else. I know what I have done and not done and you are a name on a screen and nothing more. You can say and do as you feel. I can't change that in any way. Enjoy!:banana:
TLDR.
I wouldnt worry too much about a revolution. Most are squashed before they ever have a chance to get off the ground.
Nonsense. When Napster gets here there will be a revolution of epic proportions. First, he and his followers will put on berets.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/58/CheHigh.jpg/210px-CheHigh.jpg
This is Napster after a few burritos.

We will storm Admin Castle, but Drew is away on business sorting through the garbage left from Katrina. Vilepagan will be locked in an intense and drawn out duel with Darth about what the actual meaning of the word "is", is, so VP is out of the picture. ES is left to hold the castle with his army skills from his days killing commies in East Germany. ES will send out skirmishers but Imp's superior bow skills will own your whiny troops. Then we bring in the catapult, and launch bags full of Kazakh babies' middle fingers. Several of ES' soldiers die in the barrage. So then in retaliation I get hot tar poured on me because I ran up to the fort wall and banged on the stone wall. At this point I'm rolling on the ground screaming in pain about christmas prices of wrenches at Sears. Napster will come up to the gate, and with his huge testicles knock down the gates. ES will be standing there with sword and weed in hand, ready to fend off our attack to protect the SMW miscreants in a stoned stupor of comical measure. A fight will ensue and we'll get ES in a sack of potatoes that curiously has no potatoes in it. Then we stamp his forehead with a big "Ban This!" inked stamp. Most fun.

Then we burn down the fortress and dance around laughing at shortstuff.

What a day...I'm tired describing it, someone get me some cranberry juice.
BE HAPPY
WTF?

TLDR.

Awwww ..., isn't that special? To much to digest in one sitting? Copy / paste to your word pad & take it in at your own speed. Keep a dictionary handy for the really big words.

Just for the record - I never killed any commies (or anyone else for that matter) in East Germany - or in Europe. My adventures with free - fire were all in sunny Southeast Asia.

Awwww ..., isn't that special? To much to digest in one sitting? Copy / paste to your word pad & take it in at your own speed. Keep a dictionary handy for the really big words.
Big words? What the cra-?? This is shortstuff talking.

TLDR.

ES will send out skirmishers but Imp's superior bow skills will own your whiny troops.

Damn tootin'! I have X-O-Lent marksmanship, f3ar m3!!!

Bwahahahaaaaaaa....

Ok now I have a bone to pick with a mod! hummmmmmmm you guys and I mean guys because you have no female mods confuse me. There are threads that go and they can be pretty heated and repulsive and they stay open and there is not problem or closure.
Then just because a man had the opinion there is a thread that has no point, rhyme or reason other then fun get closed. Hummmm the logic is lost on this concept. If it is not hurting you or any one else what is the problem is my question. Maybe in the mod higher ups they see this as pointless then well to be fair there are a lot of threads just as stupid and pointless in someones mind at any given time why keep them open? This is why it is a forum different and diverse people posting in random. As long as there is no rules being broken what is the harm, other then you don't personally like it.
Just my opinion though and I am not a mod so what ever I guess.

Teh menz are beatin' down on t3h wimmen!

shortstuff, would you care to be a bit more specific?

Ok now I have a bone to pick with a mod! hummmmmmmm you guys and I mean guys because you have no female mods confuse me. There are threads that go and they can be pretty heated and repulsive and they stay open and there is not problem or closure.
Then just because a man had the opinion there is a thread that has no point, rhyme or reason other then fun get closed.

I'm with es on this one...which thread got closed for no reason?

I believe she is referring to the "last one to post game". I think it is locked.

Ahh .. I see it now. A boring, never-ending game with absolutely no purpose or socially redeeming qualities - however, I had nothing to do with it being closed.

Borg closed it after posting the last post so he'd win. :)

The thread is reopened.

Boo! I had won! :(

shortstuff, would you care to be a bit more specific?

yes, sorry it was the thread in reference. I realize it is dumb boring and no point to it but my question was why and what constitutes closure. Is it just because it is boring and pointless or is it violence or what are the grounds for closure?
I don't care if it was reopened more just a question in general. Maybe I should have been more specific, lol

That was my bad, oops

Did you guys miss me?

From es's PM:

Your continued abuse of women, not only on this forum but in general has riled many members. Your unwillingness to acknowledge warnings from allforums administrators is unacceptable.

Apparently all you have to do to get banned is piss off enough people for one of the mods to consider many, and show some balls. How worthless. Es, why don't you do all of us a favor and get bent.

It's quite funny how the closed thread in question was the hottest non-political thread on allforums, minus the Games section and the abysmally useless Smartmouthwoman speaks thread. This thread beats out most of them as well. Yet they close that one like it was all about making your wee-wee bigger. And I guess it was, in a sense. The mods around here absolutely hate the fact that other people have lives, and they don't, so they spare no chance to judge others harshly, knowing that most of the time, people will be kept "in line." When one does get too "unacceptable," they come up with any worthless reason they can to close threads and assert their authority. This time they used a two week ban, something I bet the mods have been itching to use on me for awhile now.

Just to go on the record.


I was against your banning Nappy. I am against all bannings unless someone divulges personal information about another poster without that poster's permission. If people are offended by your posts, and I can easily see why they would be, they should simply not read them.

Just to go on the record.


I was against your banning Nappy. I am against all bannings unless someone divulges personal information about another poster without that poster's permission. If people are offended by your posts, and I can easily see why they would be, they should simply not read them.


Same here, but you all already knew that.

Personal info and kiddie porn are the only reasons I'd ever see to ban anyone.

That is why they invented the 'ignore' feature on vbulletins.

Same here, but you all already knew that.

Personal info and kiddie porn are the only reasons I'd ever see to ban anyone.

That is why they invented the 'ignore' feature on vbulletins.
I would add spam to that list, but otherwise I agree. I was the dissenter to Napster's ban, and I suggested his unban a couple days ago to es, who consented. That's why he's back now.

He could tell me all sorts of things and insults, and I wouldn't ban him. Moderated speech is cold and sterile.

Es didn't do shit. My ban was set to expire today.

Ever the charmer, aren't you?

Oh wow, I get to meet this Napsterbater person now...

I disagreed with the banning, but damned if I didn't believe that this board was better off with his absence.

Hi DarkFantasy. I don't know you yet, so I'm not sure whether you're worthy of wonderful, funderful Borghunter yet, but I'm sure we'll get along just fine. Drew needs to lay off the assholery.

Es, you can munch on a bowl of my nuts.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/nuts5.gif

Hahaha... After a certain thread about me and Borg, I'd be sort of inclined to agree with you about Drew, but I don't hold grudges. ;)

Also, "wonderful funderful"? Are you trying to steal my man?! I will bitch slap you! :lolhit:

Did you guys miss me?

From es's PM:



Apparently all you have to do to get banned is piss off enough people for one of the mods to consider many, and show some balls. How worthless. Es, why don't you do all of us a favor and get bent.

It's quite funny how the closed thread in question was the hottest non-political thread on allforums, minus the Games section and the abysmally useless Smartmouthwoman speaks thread. This thread beats out most of them as well. Yet they close that one like it was all about making your wee-wee bigger. And I guess it was, in a sense. The mods around here absolutely hate the fact that other people have lives, and they don't, so they spare no chance to judge others harshly, knowing that most of the time, people will be kept "in line." When one does get too "unacceptable," they come up with any worthless reason they can to close threads and assert their authority. This time they used a two week ban, something I bet the mods have been itching to use on me for awhile now.

What? "The mods around here absolutely hate the fact that other people have lives, and they don't..."

Have you been sitting there sulking by the front door ever since you got your time-out? Didn't take you long to hop back in here, did it?

Can't wait to see what 'hot non-political thread' you come up with this time. Maybe you'll do better without your nasty little sidekick, whatshisname.

For the record... your woman-bashing never bothered me in the least. You're obviously much too immature to be taken seriously.

Welcome back, pookie! We missed you!

:bike:

Woman-bashing never bothers me... In general, I don't like women... And I don't mind being objectified ;)

Also, "wonderful funderful"? Are you trying to steal my man?! I will bitch slap you!

I would worry more about ThePraetorian, who is in much closer proximity to your beloved boyfriend, and displays even more homoerotic tendancies...

Have you been sitting there sulking by the front door ever since you got your time-out? Didn't take you long to hop back in here, did it?

I started a war with Russia, and won. All those unaccounted for nuclear weapons... they're mine now. I had one installed in my dick to launch at stupid women like you. I think I'll just level the whole state of Texas while I'm at it.

You're obviously much too immature to be taken seriously.

Why would you take anyone seriously on the internet? You are much too female for me to take anything you say seriously.

Oh yeah, I've got my eye on Prae. ;)

Your eye may be a little too appreciative, methinks.

=P I only have eyes for one man... The only exception is if that one man was doing things with another man; then I'd definitely have eyes for both of them ;)

Borg, care to comment?

Don't get any ideas... They're my fantasies alone, nothing that he's interested in. Maybe if I put roofies in his drink... ;)

Oy vey...

O:-) I'm innocent...

As much as I hate to change the current subject of the thread...back to the topic of moderation for a moment.

We have three recent examples of posts where a poster lists the reasons another poster should be banned.

Frogger: "I am against all bannings unless someone divulges personal information about another poster without that poster's permission."

Imp: "Personal info and kiddie porn are the only reasons I'd ever see to ban anyone."

BorgHunter: "I would add spam to that list, but otherwise I agree."

While the above examples are all good reasons to possibly ban someone, there are others. Threats, harrassment, sexually inappropriate messages, uneccessary and excessive vulgarity, and other reasons might also be reasons to ban someone.

So it would seem that it's obvious that moderation is needed, just how much moderation seems to be the question.

Censorship is something that everyone can say they're against, but when it comes down to the wire we all see the need for it in certain circumstances. Because we need to limit in some ways what is posted here, we have moderators. Whether you agree with the particular reasons isn't really important, since I think any thoughtful person can agree that some limits are neccessary.

Despite Napster's vitriolic claims, none of the moderators on this board are looking for reasons to ban anyone, indeed banning is usually the last resort when dealing with a problem poster. Rightly or wrongly, Napster was warned because he stuck his nose into a thread after another poster had been warned and told a moderator in essence to "fuck off". In other words he told the moderator that he wouldn't heed the warning he was given. Since the moderators here have a limited toolkit to deal with problem posters he was given a temporary ban. Was the punishment justified, or too harsh? That's a matter of personal opinion, but if we can agree that moderators are neccessary, I think we have to agree that they must be able to enforce their decisions in some way to assure that they are not summarily ignored. If not, there's little point in having them, and we should let people post anything, including threats, kiddie porn, whatever. I doubt anyone here would like to see that.

Well said, Vile

Really a great summation Vile and dead on.

Agreed.
Good stuff, and I am proud to be a member here.
(As ornery and troublesome as I can be, I would really miss you guys if I couldn't post here.)
:)

That's a matter of personal opinion, but if we can agree that moderators are neccessary, I think we have to agree that they must be able to enforce their decisions in some way to assure that they are not summarily ignored.

Here's where I disagree. It was the moderators that stuck their heads into a perfectly good discussion, then got pissy and banned the ones facilitating discussion. The PM I got listed the first reason as, "excessive abuse to women." That's a farce and everybody here knows it. All I see is the moderators scrambling around to find a reason for the ban and then settling on the tired, "no respect for authority," position.

If there was no reason for the warning in the first place, why should ignoring the warning be of any consequence? Because they're mods and by definition that makes their penis's larger than everybody else's? The mods are just as prone to human, ego-driven behavior as anybody else. It is the power that they wield that needs to be locked up and only used on consensus.

Certain deeds done don't need any consensus, they are obvious gaffes and appropriate action must be taken to ensure smooth running of the forum. Here, that's spam. But with everything else, a moment of reflection should be necessary before pulling that switch. Both Borg and Vile have disagreed in writing here with our banning, and that leaves ES and Drew, assuming he gets a vote. What gives?

At some point, Napsterbater that dead horse you keep beating is going to wind up in the glue factory.

I'll admit to having some second thoughts on the matter, however, life does go on. Perhaps I was a bit harsh, but the decision was left up to me and I made it. I wanted to get your attention - I'll admit to over-reacting somewhat, and as I explained to another - that came from my spending countless hours participating in the treatment and rehabilitation of those (primarily women & children) who had been scarred by abuse. When anyone speaks of folks needing to be hit, I become very intolerant.

Ooh, my name, my name! Someone else say it!

Napsterbater,

As much as I think you are a funny fellow, and as much as I admire a truly gifted instigator, that dialogue that got you and Angeldust two weeks time-out was well-warranted, in my opinion.

Refering to women as cunts, and advocating slapping them around is trailer park trash material, and is frankly beneath you.

Though I've been wrong before.
There may be more Jerry Springer in you than Jerry Lewis at that.

Double edged-sword isn't it?
(for both you and I)
Reserving the right to be irreverent and rude, but then wanting to be taken seriously when we are in the mood.
(And oh by the way, wanting our rights protected at all costs to the general good of the forum.)

If Vile or ES decided I need to be punished for being unnecessarily cruel to kitties and/or Overdose for instance (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=22979&page=6), and decided I need to be tossed off the boards, I could respect that.
I wouldn’t like it, mind you, but if it was in the general interest of the health, viability, and credibility of the community at large, then I would have to accept it.

It is what it is. Example:

I want to drive my car on the States roads and highways.
In order to do so, I must suffer the indignity of taking a test at some boring crowded license office. And then later on when I am out driving, I find that I must drive the speed limit (which I find personally beneath someone of my considerable driving skills), and get this; they don’t want you to drive on the sidewalks whenever you are in the mood??!!

What a repressive and fascist society we find ourselves in!!

Napsterbater,

<stupid stuff goes here>

*hyperventilates*

Quick, someone else!

*hyperventilates*

Quick, someone else!
NapsterbaterNapsterbaterNapsterbater.

OMGWTFBBQ!

BBQ? We getting some burgers here?

Steaks! Got your tube steak right here, bud!

All I see is the moderators scrambling around to find a reason for the ban and then settling on the tired, "no respect for authority," position.

Is it possible that you're not "seeing" everything?


If there was no reason for the warning in the first place, why should ignoring the warning be of any consequence?

But there were in fact two good reasons for your banning. Just because you disagree that they were good reasons doesn't mean they don't exist.


Because they're mods and by definition that makes their penis's larger than everybody else's?

As a matter of fact, that is one of the requirements for being a mod, and sadly, one of the reasons you wouldn't be a candidate for modhood. ;-)


The mods are just as prone to human, ego-driven behavior as anybody else.

Of course they are. Everyone is ego-driven to one degree or another, it's just that some people are more ego-driven than others. An example comes to mind. ;-)


It is the power that they wield that needs to be locked up and only used on consensus.

Consensus of whom?


Certain deeds done don't need any consensus, they are obvious gaffes and appropriate action must be taken to ensure smooth running of the forum. Here, that's spam. But with everything else, a moment of reflection should be necessary before pulling that switch.

I see. I take it here that you're suggesting that the mods should huddle to determine if someone is going to be banned. In an ideal world I'd tend to agree. From a practical standpoint the idea isn't really workable as a standard policy though, because of communications and availability issues.

Interestingly, in your case, ES did contact the other mods, or attempt to, before he instituted the ban on you and Angel, to arrive at just the consensus you desire. Alas, Borg was incommunicado, and I received ES's PM at work. Because I was peeking in to see what the response to my warning was, and due to the fact that perusing Allforums at work would be frowned upon to say the least, my response to ES's PM was neccessarily short.

ES's message to me:


Gentlemen: I've been watching (with limited interest) the thread of Along Came a Woman (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=22572&page=5) and suggest that we ban both AngelDust & Napsterbater for a period of not more than 14 days. Neither of them appear to be taking Vile's warnings seriously and (to me) seem to be pushing the limits of what should be tolerated on the Forum.
Just my opinion. Care to share your thoughts?

Happy Thanksgiving!

ES

My response:

Go for it. It would be better if it didn't come from me.


Both Borg and Vile have disagreed in writing here with our banning, and that leaves ES and Drew, assuming he gets a vote. What gives?

As you can see above, I did agree that you should be banned, however I probably wouldn't have banned you for two weeks. As you can also see, I was aware that I am subject to those "human, ego-driven" thoughts that you spoke of earlier, so I deferred the decision to ES, so as to avoid any possibility of bias on my part.

I think you might be well served by listening to Sparky is this matter. This is Allforums. Take it as it is and enjoy it as it is, or not. The choice is yours. I would say now, that I hope you choose to accept this place for what it is and stay around. I think you have much to contribute and I think Allforums would be better for it.

My response:

Go for it. It would be better if it didn't come from me.



As you can see above, I did agree that you should be banned,


O yeah? It sure didn't sound that way in your pm to me. Not to start shit, but you agreed with me Angeldust crossed the line and deserved it but not Nap.

Look, Vile. You already know how and why I post. You've been seeing and objecting to my posts from the very moment I got here. I left for months and never looked back. For two weeks, I watched in wonder as people came out of the woodwork to say that I shouldn't have gotten banned. If noone had spoken up, I would have taken the insult like I take any other insult (in real life) and ignored it, and just started posting again like I usually do.

But no, someone made a thread about it, and for two weeks, this was one of the hottest topics here. Now I'm just making up for the time I missed talking about my favorite subject. It's not like I care all that much. It's just fun talking about it. So I toss my two cents in.

I most certainly am not beating a dead horse, I even caused ES to reflect upon his poor judgement and admit to having second thoughts. The horse is very much alive, and it would be nice to be able to beat it some more.

It is, after all, my favorite topic.

O yeah?

Yeah.


It sure didn't sound that way in your pm to me.

Since you wish to discuss my PM to you publicly, here's the statement I believe you are referring to:

"To be honest, I tend to agree. I don't think what Napster did warranted a ban neccessarily, but when es sent me a PM and suggested it, I was at work and didn't have time for a lengthy response to him. If it's any consolation, my experience with Napster is that he wouldn't have let go of the subject until he did earn himself a banning in the end."

IMO, Napster was banned primarily for telling a mod to "fuck off". So there is no future misunderstanding, I agree with that reason. I do think that I would have banned Napster for less time.


Not to start shit, but you agreed with me Angeldust crossed the line and deserved it but not Nap.

With respect Imp, if you're not trying to start shit, this is maybe not the way to go about it.

Look, Vile. You already know how and why I post.

Perhaps how, but nobody knows "why" you post some of the things you do...even you.


You've been seeing and objecting to my posts from the very moment I got here.

The truth is I've objected to your posts rarely, although I've disagreed with them often.


I left for months and never looked back.

That's obviouly untrue or you wouldn't be here now.


For two weeks, I watched in wonder as people came out of the woodwork to say that I shouldn't have gotten banned. If noone had spoken up, I would have taken the insult like I take any other insult (in real life) and ignored it, and just started posting again like I usually do.

I wasn't surprised at all. People don't like the thought that they might be censored. I think all the moderators here understand that and conduct themselves accordingly.


But no, someone made a thread about it, and for two weeks, this was one of the hottest topics here. Now I'm just making up for the time I missed talking about my favorite subject. It's not like I care all that much. It's just fun talking about it. So I toss my two cents in.

No problem.


I most certainly am not beating a dead horse, I even caused ES to reflect upon his poor judgement and admit to having second thoughts.

In truth, you did nothing.


The horse is very much alive, and it would be nice to be able to beat it some more.

Flail away.


It is, after all, my favorite topic.

I've always found discussions of censorship, and free-speech issues, to be rather interesting. Many ethical dilemmas can come up.

Flail away.

You say that, and strangely, there's nothing more to beat. I guess I was talking in the past tense. Then again:

Not to start shit, but you agreed with me Angeldust crossed the line and deserved it but not Nap.

Very telling, and Vile's response is even more intriguing. So, when we get right down to it, it was a fuckup, and everything being said now is a cover-up. Maybe I am seeing even more clearly than both me and Vile thought.

So, when we get right down to it, it was a fuckup, and everything being said now is a cover-up. Maybe I am seeing even more clearly than both me and Vile thought.

Rofl...a coverup...*wipes tears*...honestly Napster, that's the most hilarious thing you've posted.

So, when we get right down to it, it was a fuckup, and everything being said now is a cover-up. Maybe I am seeing even more clearly than both me and Vile thought.

Heeeeey, we have our very own Napstergate. :woohoo:

Heeeeey, we have our very own Napstergate. :woohoo:

Say "Napstergate" three times fast. ;-)

Say "Napstergate" three times fast. ;-)
No... :(

:D

Since you wish to discuss my PM to you publicly,


With respect Imp, if you're not trying to start shit, this is maybe not the way to go about it.

You were sharing Little e's, so I really don't see what the difference is. At least I didn't post your pm.

That's part of it but not the part I was talking about.
So, do I get this right? If someone says something in pm, you shouldn't discuss it on the board because your views are different publicly then privately?
Maybe it's just me but I'd never have an issue with anything I pm or post publicly..




well, except for the lust letters I keep sending Sparky*.

*Dammit, reply to them already, would ya?!?!?!?

It's difficult to type with only one hand on the keyboard, damnit!!
:rolleyes: :( :eek: :hahanot:

Rofl...a coverup...*wipes tears*...honestly Napster, that's the most hilarious thing you've posted.

Whoops, walked right into that one.

It's difficult to type with only one hand on the keyboard, damnit!!
:rolleyes: :( :eek: :hahanot:
haha
Understood.
Cheers.:drinktoth