I understand that inmates need some things to break up the monotony of the day. But why are they allowed to post in the personals? If this lady has that much time online to pursue a relationship, then i feel that is too much time online. She murdered her kids. She is serving a life sentence.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,91598,00.html

Folks in the state of SC should be pissed - bad enough their hard earned tax dolars are providing her with "three hots & a cot" along with complete medical & dental, but also that this convict and her fellow inmates have any access to the internet. Now a variety of losers have an entirely new source of masturbatory entertainment all funded by taxpayers. Have you ever heard a clearer demand for complete prison reform than the likes of this?

Manson is supose to have his own website, don't know if it is true never tried to find it. They did an interview with him a few years back and said that he was starting his own website and that he had alot of followers. It is nice to know our tax dollars are at work "sick world".

I think it is a shame she is still alive and breathing in the world, let alone having access to the internet, and she wants compassion as well..............What a bloody joke!!!!!!!!:mad:

I think it is crazy to allow someone access to the interent. Awhile back i got this email from a guy who was in prison. He seemed nice enough told me he was in for nothing serious like murder, rape, anything of that nature but STILL he was in prison! He had told me his name what prision he was in. It was in Florida and i was curious so i looked it up and sure enough i FOUND him. He had like 2 counts of armed robbery, and a few other minor things. I wanted to write him but i was like do i really want to do that and i decided against it. It really was creepy. It makes me wonder how anyone knowing who they are talking with and knowing that they are incarserated can do it.

Problems with this...

1. Inmates having outside contact with just about anybody is wrong. They could easily send death threats via e-mail or instant messenger. You could tell anyone anything over the internet and literally make them believe it. Besides, who would want to date a prisoner anyway? They're mostly low-lifes who probly felt like no one wants to give, so they must take.

2. This story is from fox news, so its probly fabricated or something.

bored the poor inmates? tough luck! prisons shouldn't be a place for entertainment...and i though that prisons were made so the people in couldn't have contacts with people out. with the internet the contact is intellectual and not physical but hey is that better!?!?!?

Hey everybody ! Now what do you feel about the fact that whenever you call your credit card company or an airline company, you may actually be speaking to a man sentenced to 20 years for murder ? Because some of these companies use the cheap workforce of inmates to provide various telephone services.

So it is OK to let these people use the phone to book a flight reservation but if they have access to internet,it is wrong ?

never said that it was ok that they use the phone for any reason

But you do not care if they work for nearly nothing ?

i actually don't like the idea of them working.

Many prisons have the inmates working telephone banks & with computers in various capacities. It's an unfortunate reality. Prisons must generate an income so that they are less of a burden on the taxpayers. The idea of prisoners actually earning money, rather than every cent being put back into the prison budget is offensive to most.

But every cent is not put back in the prison budget. they work for private companies who make profit out of very low cost workforce ! This is not different from china where prisoners are massively used as a workforce. And with 1% of the US population in jail, this is a huge subsidy to private firms.

Don't you think that, for the unemployed people out of jail, this is a rather unfair competition ? Of course unemployed people may try to rob a bank. If they succeed they become rich, if they fail they go in prison and get a lot of work !

Prisoners should work chain gangs, keeping the highways clean & trimmed, working the prison farm fields & any other unskilled labor tasks that are available. Granting them access to anything / anyone outside of the prison is a mistake. Move the telemarketing jobs back into the regular market where real people can apply for those jobs. Yes, it does give an unfair advantage to those companies.

and well don't forget that if someone is in prison is because that person is a menace for society....letting them contact people outside the prison walls kinda beat the point ( at least partially) of their incarceration.

People goto jail - that is their punishment - incarceration. Being in jail doesn't mean they have to be tortured. I see no problem with them using the internet.

Hell - people will be next asking - "Outrage - Prisoners in Jail being given food"

Hey Astra - side comment - is that your 2CV ?

Drew I absolutely agree with you. Privation of liberty is enough - and I do not believe that in any country, the life in jail is something funny. The only point in favour of work in prison is the possibility of learning new skills that will help people find a job when they get out of prison, rather than having to fall back into crime.

side comment - no, this is not my 2CV ! But I like this funny car, I think it's a nicest way of saying I am french than a flag or a portrait of Chirac.

Chain gang, digging septic systems, sorting trash, etc... these would keep them busy, and they wouldn't need the internet

Originally posted by astrapol2
side comment - no, this is not my 2CV ! But I like this funny car, I think it's a nicest way of saying I am french than a flag or a portrait of Chirac.

I like this example of French-ness much more:

My point is precisely that fast cars are not what matters. I prefer the poetry of car like the 2 CV.
Much more french lovers have been making love for the first time in 2CV than in rally cars !

Don't the back seats come out on those 2CV's - originally for carrying eggs?

I drove one of them once - great little car for just 2 cylinders. They are like a grass cutter engine with a makeshift body around them

Originally posted by astrapol2
My point is precisely that fast cars are not what matters. I prefer the poetry of car like the 2 CV.

I disagree - fast cars matter a great deal! :D

Peugot has been producing some fine pocket rockets for several years now. They've done real well on the ralley circuits. It would be great to see Peugots sold here in the US again. Having owned 1 Renault, and been under the hood of many more, those can stay in France.

Remember the renaults with hydraulic suspension - when the ignition is turned off they sink almost down to the ground.

After working for a french company for 10 years - that's so typically french, expert engineering of things nobody needs followed by terrible marketing.

Originally posted by DrewM
Remember the renaults with hydraulic suspension - when the ignition is turned off they sink almost down to the ground.


This is Citroen, not Renault. The DS, CX, XM etc…

Oh my god ! I'm actually discussing about CARS ! Soon I'll be talking about guns maybe ;)

Yes - you are right Citroen - my bad

I wouldnt be her penpal!!!!!!!

Those poor children being plunged into the water???? THEN SHE LIES ABOUT IT and tried to put the blame on an african american?????

Screw her.........Too bad they arent accepting anymore EMAILS to her........ I think i would speak my mind!!!!!!

I am sick and tired of people picking on this poor woman.

She has my sympathy--she's been misunderstood and put upon her entire life...she had a bad childhood and that's why she killed her kids. Her husband didn't understand her and that's why she killed her kids. The boyfriend she was seeing while she was married didn't understand her OR her kids and that's why they had to go.

No one understood her story about the evil man who abducted the brats. Why was the whole state so angry after spending days looking for them while all that time they were strapped in their car seats at the bottom of the lake, after it took them 8 minutes to die? The nerve of some people......none of this is her fault. It's society's fault. Or her husband's. Or the boyfriend's. Or the kids. Not hers. Jeesh!

As a matter of fact, I thinks it's cruel to even lock her up to begin with. The guards she has affairs with are ugly, the food sucks, and there's no beauty parlor. THIS is cruel and unusual punishment.

The heck with this internet brouhaha. She ought to be out mingling with people so they can understand her better.

Maybe she can even mingle at a day care center.

So you think its OK she murdered 2 people FOR NO REASON????

It is not her fault. She is the victim of society.

Originally posted by The Dude
So you think its OK she murdered 2 people FOR NO REASON????

No, dude. I was being sarcastic. I am not making light of this at ALL.

PS Would you care to contribute to the "Susan Smith for PTA President " fund?

Hehe,i hadnt heard of that one

I wonder if their internet activities are monitored. If they are not it would be far too easy for them to communicate with people on the outside for nefarious reasons.

I don't exactly like the idea of them having internet access but I am more annoyed by them having weight rooms. It makes no sense to me to allow a mugger to lift weights and then leave prison even stronger muggers.

According to "the smoking gun", Susan has a personal ad which asks for people to write her as pen-pals.
She claims to like rainbows and puppies and asks that people please keep an open mind.

and to please send their life savings to this address:
Susan Smith
Cell 115
The Big House
Up the River, South Calinky

I agree, I'm not sure it's a good idea to have incarcerated, murderous thugs seeking people to "talk to". If they were doing research or something of that kind on the internet, well, that's different. Seems there's too much margin for gullible people to be taken advantage of with this kind of thing.

Computer of any kind is unexceptable for murderers, I don't think they should have TVs pool tables weight rooms either. They are in prison for a reason they are violent criminals, they made the choice to throw their rights out the window.

Frogger; there is a station {can't remember which 1 now} that shows how these inmates live. It has specials on every now and then usually runs a week or 2 at a time. They show'd one place were the violent{killers} criminals can wonder the yard even at night. They had a beautifull weight room and held competitions, heck they were living a heck of alot better then some folks I know that bust there arse all week at a dead end job. What a wonderfull system we have :lolhit: :(

I don't know, mad dog.
I'm thinking about the guards, who have one of the worst jobs in the world, and are underpaid to boot.
Activity of some kinds helps the guards do their jobs better. It pacifies the prisoners and helps take their mind off their violent tendencies. By this i mean reading, crosswords, card games, chess, some computer activity, even gardening. Violent criminals at Sing Sing were model prisoners after being given a patch of ground to tend to and garden. It was amazing.

People wonder why death row inmates have tvs in their cells. It lulls them and soothes them and helps to pacify them. Many of these crooks are low-IQ sorts and would be lost without their daily dose of game shows and soap operas. The guards swear by it--it really helps these guys out.

But, the other stuff--like weights, etc. .....these could conceivably be used as a weapon, and I don't think that they allow pool tables or such. Think of what could be done with a pool cue!

My previous post made me think of something I'd read about a long time ago.
This happened during the '30's, when Warden Lawes (?) was in charge of Sing Sing, one of the country's most notorious prisons. This place was truly the Big House and housed crooks of the worst kind.

The Warden's wife, a dainty little lady, would frequently tend to the prisoners if they were sick. She read stories to those who couldn't read and wrote letters for those who couldn't write. Many of these guys came from backgrounds where they had never learned to read or a nonexistent home life. Crime was the only thing they knew.

These guys called her the "Angel of Sing Sing" and she could walk the corridors unescorted and unarmed.

One day she took sick and suddenly died. A delegation of prisoners called on the Warden and asked if they could go to her funeral.
The Warden said he didn't think that was a good idea. It would be too difficult to guard hundreds of violent men on the way there and back and besides the funeral home was several miles from the prison.

The delegation insisted that the men would behave themselves. One man said that all the men wanted was to pay their respects to a woman who had always been kind to them. Finally the Warden relented.

The funeral was held on a cold rainy day. The prisoners in their uniforms walked out in files silently into the rain. They walked the several miles to the funeral home, filed past her coffin, and then walked out. No one spoke. A few of the men left little gifts for her that they'd made and put them in her coffin.

The men walked back to the prison. Not one of them made any attempt to escape. They all walked back to the prison and back into their cells like schoolboys.

I've often thought of that and what some those men could have become if only someone had shown them some kindness in their previous lives.

Originally posted by Frogger
I wonder if their internet activities are monitored. If they are not it would be far too easy for them to communicate with people on the outside for nefarious reasons.


First of all, I don't think she is allowed "internet access". Despite what was posted in the thread starter, the "ad" that was shown on The Smoking Gun website was an ad seeking a pen-pal, not a "personals" ad seeking a relationship. Prisoners are allowed to correspond through the mails, and I suspect that many prisons would prefer that prisoners used e-mail instead, because it takes much less effort to censor it, you don't have to sort it or deliver it, and it eliminates an entry point for contraband. I see this not as a prisoner being granted any priviledges, but rather, the prison system using more modern tools to do their jobs better.

Secondly, as to your comment about weight rooms, I do see your point, but I think the idea is to work off the agressions of the prisoners so they don't do it on the guards or other inmates.

Originally posted by rendova
I don't know, mad dog.
I'm thinking about the guards, who have one of the worst jobs in the world, and are underpaid to boot.
Activity of some kinds helps the guards do their jobs better. It pacifies the prisoners and helps take their mind off their violent tendencies. By this i mean reading, crosswords, card games, chess, some computer activity, even gardening. Violent criminals at Sing Sing were model prisoners after being given a patch of ground to tend to and garden. It was amazing.

I agree with most of your past time activitys because they are cheap and don't involve much more then a deck of cards or game board. I do reject buying a killer a computer, heck it cost me enough to try and get one for my kids why should I help pay for one for a killer? I'd rather see technology go to our schools etc.. not to a killer. Back in the day we had no problem keeping these thugs busy, growing their own food, busting rocks chain gangs. The best part was that by the end of the day they were to darn tired to start any bull. They want exercise then give em a big hammer and a pile of rock.

People wonder why death row inmates have tvs in their cells. It lulls them and soothes them and helps to pacify them. Many of these crooks are low-IQ sorts and would be lost without their daily dose of game shows and soap operas. The guards swear by it--it really helps these guys out.

chain gang and physical labor, not only do they get their little minds exercise but they also produce a product. Take out the TV and make them earn their keep. If they can't work with others then I quess it will be survival of the fitest save the working tax payer alot of money. We need to start with a reality check NO SYMPATHY FOR KILLERS!!!!!

But, the other stuff--like weights, etc. .....these could conceivably be used as a weapon, and I don't think that they allow pool tables or such. Think of what could be done with a pool cue!

Like I said watch the show plus I have family and close friends that are guards. Some prisons are like the holiday in except with better sh**.

Thanks for the story, I noticed something that should be done today{brought back}

Originally posted by rendova
. The prisoners in their uniforms walked out in files silently into the rain.


Hair cut no tattoo's while in prison and uniforms, dress right dress don't like a night stick will do wonders.

Originally posted by Frogger
I wonder if their internet activities are monitored. I would imagine it is..

I see your point mad dog, and in a way I agree, but I've always felt there are crooks, and then there's CROOKS--people totally beyond redemption/rehab.
Many guys in prison are guys who did a dumb thing, basically harmed no one, and are now doing hard time in truly appalling conditions.
Case in point--Parchman, Mississippi, which is something out of the Dark Ages. The cruelty there is beyond belief. Do ALL guys there deserve to be treated like animals?
Seems to me that if a prisoner behaves himself, he should be allowed certain priveledges, including monitored computer activity.

Also something else. Many guys go into prison as smalltime petty crooks who really have no intention of making crime their sole livelihood. Like I said, they did one dumb thing. But when they get out----like Dillinger, a happy go lucky sort who had a few minor scrapes with the law, nothing serious. He won a 10 year sentence to Michigan City for hitting a guy on the head. His co-hort got a minimal sentence.

After a few months at the Big House , where the guards would make you stand for hours on a square of tile until you collapsed, or would turn fire hoses on you, he became a hardened man who fell in with REAL crooks who taught him everything they knew. Johnny was bright, learned and listened, and swore he'd never go back once he got out.

Didn't either, and the rest of his story is legend.

Originally posted by rendova
I see your point mad dog, and in a way I agree, but I've always felt there are crooks, and then there's CROOKS--people totally beyond redemption/rehab.
Many guys in prison are guys who did a dumb thing, basically harmed no one, and are now doing hard time in truly appalling conditions.

I see why you may be confusing what I am saying, I am only speaking of the violent criminals not the 5 & dime thief.

Take the petty criminal there is hope and by all means we should try to retrain them for society. A work program tech school GED etc...

Now take someone like Manson he should not be allowed squat 2 meals a day and if he wants clean sheets he can clean them himself. He should be on a ball break{hard labor} work program. Oh by the way he was also allowed internet access{I belive it has been taken away after much argumnent.}

Oh, I agree with that 100%.
Manson really should have hung yesterday.

Prisoners today have got it made. Three meals a day, a bed, Tv, doctor and dental visits if they get sick, no bills to pay, sex when they want it....Hell, we should all become crooks. I thought jail and prison was suppose to be uncomfortable? I guess not anymore. These punks keep going in and out of the system. It seems like every couple of months I see another article in the local paper where the politicians are talking about raising taxes to pay for a bigger jail. There was something the other day talking about how taxpapers are having to pay for the meth users dentist bills. They were calling it "meth mouth." And how so many people are on this dope and then they get to go to jail and get their teeth fixed to improve their self-esteem and all of that crap.

There's alot of people all over the world who can't go to the doctor/dentist cause they can't afford it. There's children who go to bed hungry cause their parent's can't afford food. There's elderly people who have to decide between meds or food every month. I think it's a terrible shame how our justice system is here in the States.

About Susan Smith........I'm VERY surprised some crazy mother in prison with her hasn't taken her out yet. It's terrible that woman still gets to breathe and her babies don't get to anymore.......

Welcome aboard Southernlady, I like your way of thinking. Be aware though there are those vile frogger types that will disagree with your thoughts to the end{:D}. All in all keep your head and this can be an interesting place.

Originally posted by southernlady
Prisoners today have got it made. Three meals a day, a bed, Tv, doctor and dental visits if they get sick, no bills to pay, sex when they want it....Hell, we should all become crooks. I thought jail and prison was suppose to be uncomfortable? I guess not anymore.

Welcome to allforums southernlady. :)

Somehow I think prison is still a pretty unpleasant place to be, despite how nice you make it sound. :)

your a crack head on the street living in a box freezing nothing to eat no clean clothes, and of course none of the happy day to day things like radio TV sports bar.

Yeeeeeep prison is looking up :)

Originally posted by mad dog
Welcome aboard Southernlady Yes welcome ashore!!!!!!

I hope your stay is a pleasant one!!!!!

God ble$$ you :)

This story is from fox news, so its probly fabricated or something.


Well sir if you fel so strongly about it... the political debate section is two doors down on your left. ask for truth,or freethinker they will make you fel right at home... and if your feeling like an out of mind experiance ask for "the dude" he will set you up.....

oh... by the way stay away from the red head. she is a little nuts.