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coberst
11-10-2006, 07:15 AM
Human Essence is Pattern!

Everything human is part emotion and part reason. Draw a line connecting emotion on one end and reason on the other end. All domains of knowledge lie somewhere between these two end points; with music being the end of the line at emotion and mathematics being at the end of the line at reason.

The characteristic that is the essence of music and math is pattern. The human essence is pattern. Beauty is pattern. Meaning is pattern. Perception is pattern. Love is pattern.

When I hike in the mountains, occasionally I am stopped dead in my tracks with my blood running cold; I have spotted a pattern in the trees that frightens me instinctively.

I hear music that drives me into melancholy or happiness or dread, or etc.

I suddenly understand something that I have pondered for months or years and I feel the ecstasy of understanding. I have created meaning. I have created a pattern that both reason and emotion call good.

The sign of correctness in physics theory is beauty of pattern. Ocam’s razor cuts loose all that is not essential to the pattern. The beauty of the pattern discovered in Quantum Electro Dynamics by Feynman as displayed in his book “QED” is astounding to me. I think that this book displays the essence of understanding and of the pattern within understanding. Kuhn’s theory about paradigms is an attempt to display the pattern in normal science.

The foundation of both music and math is pattern, one affects us primarily through emotion the other primarily through reason but both do so through some proper combination of pattern.

Nature is the Mother of all patterns. Is there any more obvious pattern than DNA? Only after Crick and Watson found the pattern did they understand DNA.

What do you think about them apples? Have I lost my pattern?

WindWip
11-10-2006, 12:39 PM
Interesting post

Human Essence is Pattern!

Everything human is part emotion and part reason. Draw a line connecting emotion on one end and reason on the other end. All domains of knowledge lie somewhere between these two end points; with music being the end of the line at emotion and mathematics being at the end of the line at reason.
Everything human? What do you mean by this. Obviously you do not mean everything human, because your toe is part of you, yet it is not emotion and it is not reason - it is a toe.

Reason and emotion are also not opposites. Music is not an emotion either. It invokes emotion, but music itself is not emotion. Mathematical problems are solved by using logic and reason, yet there are other arenas that use just as much logic, such as physics.

The foundation of both music and math is pattern, one affects us primarily through emotion the other primarily through reason but both do so through some proper combination of pattern.
I'm lost when you say a proper combination of pattern. Is there a specific pattern between logic and emotion, or that every different combination of logic and emotion is a pattern.

Nature is the Mother of all patterns. Is there any more obvious pattern than DNA? Only after Crick and Watson found the pattern did they understand DNA.


What do you think about them apples? Have I lost my pattern?

I did find your post interesting, though when you start discussing patterns your flow appears a little muddled to me. It may make perfect sense to you, but I was a little lost as to your meaning towards the end.

500lbguerilla
11-10-2006, 06:16 PM
Math and Music are actually forms of communication that follow similar laws.

I don't disagree with what you are saying. I'm just saying your reasoning is a little off.

ShadowWalker
11-10-2006, 08:35 PM
I’m not sure if I totally agree that ‘music’ is the antithesis of ‘mathematics’, but would agree that pattern recognition or reoccurrence is found within both. I think I would have also added fractals, chaos theory, and pi as further topics, to compliment Quantum Theory.

I think you could also add the basic protagonist and antagonist of ‘known’ and ‘unknown’. It’s a good segue into the duality of ‘science’ and ‘religion’.

500lbguerilla
11-11-2006, 03:33 PM
It goes far beyond humans as well. Nature is filled with Golden Rectangles, repeteting patterns and sine waves.

Oldtimer
11-11-2006, 10:33 PM
Nothing is pattern ... all is chaos, or is it all just a very complex interaction of the energy in the quantum strings vibrating in the universe?. However, even in chaos there is sometimes a pattern, e.g. the red spot on Jupiter. The Mandelbrot set is perhaps the best example of how patterns appear in chaos.

500lbguerilla
11-12-2006, 04:18 PM
The universe may be chaos but it is ruled by laws. Life has a structure, a pattern that was shaped by these laws and the conditions in which it formed.

Everything is a pattern, or chaos depending on how close or far away you look at it.

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/brain-universe.html

ShadowWalker
11-12-2006, 09:24 PM
Is the universe ruled by ‘laws’ or is it more to the point that ‘perception’ is ruled by laws?

coberst
11-13-2006, 03:00 AM
Is the universe ruled by ‘laws’ or is it more to the point that ‘perception’ is ruled by laws?

Exactly!