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Dunkirk101
11-05-2006, 05:28 AM
I don't know if this meeting is either a good or bad thing, but I do remember back in 1985 when several surviving members of the origional order of the German SS had a reunion in a town called bittsburg, and President Ronald Reagan left his oval office to attended it as their official "Guest of Honor" http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/starguard/sad.gif

anyway, heres the story:

Children of Nazi racial engineering meet in Germany By Matthias Strauss
Sat Nov 4, 4:28 PM ET



WERNIGERODE, Germany (Reuters) - The children of a Nazi program aimed at creating an "Aryan elite" met publicly in Germany on Saturday in an effort to banish the specter that has haunted many of them since their birth.

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The "Lebensborn" or "font of life" project comprised a series of homes launched by Heinrich Himmler's SS that were to provide the stock to help run a Nazi empire. The homes were popularised later as stud farms for a blond-haired, blue-eyed master race.

Matthias Meissner, managing director of Lebensspuren ("traces of life"), a group representing the Lebensborn children, said the meeting was necessary to bring the homes out in the open and lay some of the myths about them to rest.

"The aim was to take the children out into the open, to encourage those affected to find out their origins -- but also to show the outside world that the cliche of the stud farm with blond-haired, blue-eyed parents is not correct," he said.

Many children from the Lebensborn homes, particularly in Norway -- which was seen as the home to the most Aryan stock -- were socially ostracised after the war and they have remained a sensitive topic that is seldom discussed in Germany.

One of around 35 former children present at the first wholly public meeting in Wernigerode, a small town in eastern Germany which once had a Lebensborn home, was 63-year-old Hans Ulrich Wesch.

With tears in his eyes, Wesch explained how he was raised in communist eastern Germany after the war and separated from his mother and sisters. He would not see them again for half a century.

The centres were launched around Germany from 1936 to boost the birth rate, particularly of SS members, and to take care of illegitimate children deemed to be of healthy "Aryan" stock.

Contemporary authorities, like the German Historical Museum, agree that no evidence has been found that the homes functioned as human stud farms used to breed "Nordic supermen."

However, the SS carefully vetted those who entered -- they initially had to prove they were of German descent, and had no hereditary illnesses going back two generations, said Meissner.

During World War Two, the Nazis set up homes in occupied territories like France, Belgium and especially Norway, to look after local women expecting children from German soldiers.

"What the SS wanted was people who were resilient, dutiful and disciplined. The kind of people who would be suited to run things in the new occupied areas," said Meissner.

Most estimates suggest that roughly 8,000 Lebensborn children were born in Germany, with up to 12,000 in Norway.

Meissner said that while many of those in Norway were "outed" straight away after the war, many German Lebensborn children did not know about their origins until years later.

"On the one hand you had the issue of SS association -- was father a war criminal?" he said. "Then you had the question of illegitimacy in the old West Germany. And in the communist East, it was even more of a problem, because of the taint of fascism."


link:http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061104/ts_nm/germany_nazis_dc;_ylt=At2menWMqnFrtguesYSFG1rMWM0F ;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

LionelHutz
11-05-2006, 01:30 PM
but I do remember back in 1985 when several surviving members of the origional order of the German SS had a reunion in a town called bittsburg, and President Ronald Reagan left his oval office to attended it as their official "Guest of Honor"

I really doubt that.

500lbguerilla
11-05-2006, 01:47 PM
I assume you are talking about this?

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/06/international/europe/06REAG.html

Oldtimer
11-06-2006, 01:33 AM
Nowhere in the article did I find any reference to being a Guest of Honour of the SS. I did find two references to the SS; as shown below.

"http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/dropcap/b.gifITBURG, West Germany, May 5 — President Reagan presided over a wreath-laying today at the base of a brick cemetery tower looming over the graves of nearly 2,000 German soldiers, including 49 SS troops."

"Mr. Reagan and Mr. Kohl briefly arranged two large circular wreaths at the foot of the memorial tower before standing to attention.
For several moments silence fell across the cemetery, except for the click of cameras. A trumpeter played a melancholy German soldiers' song, ''I Had a Comrade.'' The song mourns fallen soldiers.
Mr. Reagan stood a few feet from two graves with SS markings."

es347fan
11-06-2006, 02:16 AM
I remember when Reagan came to Germany. There was plenty of talk about his visiting the cemetary, most of it positive, folks feeling like wwII was finally put to bed, Germany was 'forgiven' and could move on.

Dunkirk101
11-06-2006, 02:35 AM
I remember when Reagan came to Germany. There was plenty of talk about his visiting the cemetary, most of it positive, folks feeling like wwII was finally put to bed, Germany was 'forgiven' and could move on.

I was in the Army stationed in frankfurt during that time and I can pesonally tell you that things were far from positive when he did that. The kaserne my company was located in was named Gibbs which was right around the corner from what was then 97th General Hospital. We had so many flag burners and other protestors causing trbl that we were forced to place barracades behind the front gates from fear of anti american demonstrators crashing them. Even though no one was killed in direct relation to this. Those rIots are something that I will remember for the rest of my entire life. :(

Dunkirk101
11-06-2006, 02:41 AM
Nowhere in the article did I find any reference to being a Guest of Honour of the SS. I did find two references to the SS; as shown below.

"http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/dropcap/b.gifITBURG, West Germany, May 5 — President Reagan presided over a wreath-laying today at the base of a brick cemetery tower looming over the graves of nearly 2,000 German soldiers, including 49 SS troops."

"Mr. Reagan and Mr. Kohl briefly arranged two large circular wreaths at the foot of the memorial tower before standing to attention.
For several moments silence fell across the cemetery, except for the click of cameras. A trumpeter played a melancholy German soldiers' song, ''I Had a Comrade.'' The song mourns fallen soldiers.
Mr. Reagan stood a few feet from two graves with SS markings."

Do any of you remember the economic summit in iceland between Ronald Reagan and Michael Gorbachov which took place the following year? The Soviets slammed Reagan so hard about that and many other things that his administration did, the the entire international media mass turned their backs on him and focused all of their attention on the Russians. I don't know how well this was published back stateside, but this was broadcast live on German Television and was a seemingly hot topic for quite some time afterwards :(

Decka
11-06-2006, 03:14 PM
Reagen was a Nazi!! who knew!!!

500lbguerilla
11-07-2006, 02:06 PM
Reagen was a Nazi!! who knew!!!
Everyone!!!!

~Sal~
11-07-2006, 05:10 PM
Everyone!!!!
Now THAT was funny!