In this thread (http://www.allforums.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=1848#post1848), there started a discussion whether the USA is the peacekeeper of the world, or not. But this topic is offtopic there, so I start a new thread here in the Political Forum and repeat the important postings.

[i:0c42d6ebbe]Savage071386:[/i:0c42d6ebbe]
Neg that isn't funny about the USA=evil. The USA is not evil, they are the peacekeepers of the world.

[i:0c42d6ebbe]j_heng:[/i:0c42d6ebbe]
IMO canada is more of a peackeeper than the US is...

[i:0c42d6ebbe]Neg (adressing Savage):[/i:0c42d6ebbe]
That's ridiculous. Of course, the US is not evil, but it is also not "the peacekeepers of the world". Being a peacekeeper would need the willingness to prevent wars and decrease international tension. The US is often doing the opposite, e.g. this "axis of evil" crap.

But if you interpret "peacekeeper" as "destroying all enemies in order to achieve peace", then you're probably right.

[i:0c42d6ebbe]JWB:[/i:0c42d6ebbe]
I take peacekeeper to mean to take any steps necessary to ensure that freedom will continue and to prevent evil from dominating the world.

[b:939b924a83]JWB[/b:939b924a83], please define the following words:
"any steps"
"freedom"
"evil"

i'd hesitate to say that the USA is the world's peacekeeper; but i would definately not say that it's evil. i guess i'd compare the USA to bein kinda a big brother type figure. where if a country is beatin up on another country so to speak, the USA steps in, and defends the country. i'd like to think that, for the most part, we defend the innocent countries. but i also kno that there are times we defend the country that would benefit us the best. i kno there are problems w/our country/government, but i also kno that i am so glad i was born here and live here and everything. i'm proud to be an american. i'm not proud of everything we've done, but i think we have a good thing goin here.

"any steps" - Anything that would not be worse than as if we didn't take action.

"freedom" - No government telling everone how to live there life, and telling people how they must spend there money, do things, practive there religion(without harming others)

"evil" - A government telling everone how to live there life, and telling people how they must spend there money, do things, practive there religion(without harming others)- killing thousands in a unprovek attack, rich leaders who let there citizens starve, etc.

[quote:eee1d021fb="VBallAngel4377"]
i kno there are problems w/our country/government,i'm not proud of everything we've done[/quote:eee1d021fb]

would you please elaborate on the US's problems, and the stuff you're not proud of

[NOTE: If you go to "humor" and go to the werid Algebra thread you will understand what this means]

So much for are schools teaching us American history correctly!!!!

It's called Panama deception. This is an event already lost. undoubtedly because it is embarrassing to bring back a shamful episode in American history. This refers to the year 1989, the first year of Bush the elder's presidency, when the United States invaded the tiny Republic of Panama with 26,000 troops, smashed neighborhoods with bombs and shells, and killed hundreds of innocent civilians. All sorts of excuses given, all kinds of lies told, told to justify this. But the real reason was one common to president puffed up with power and wanting to exercise it. Bush, new if office, wanted to show how tough he was. Another reason: U.S. control over the Panama Canal had ended during the Carter administration, after a hundred years, and our goverment wanted to show that it was still boss in Panama. Another reason was the U.S. wanted to try out some new weapons, including the new steath fighter-bomber. Goverments everywhere have always been willing to sacrifice human life to test new techniques for slaughter. Remember that in 1989 was the year the Soviet Union was falling apart and the Cold War was ending. You might think that this was a time for the United States to become more peaceful, less agressive in the world. But no, this was a time to show that we now had no powerful rivals, that we were #1, top dog, the one remaining superpower, and no one could challenge us, certainly not a two-bit dictator like the one in Panama, Manuel Noriega. So for this, ordinary people in Panama had to die. While to Soviet Union was a powerful military force, the United States could use the "the soviet threat" as an excuse to send troops anywhere in the world to suppress revoluntionary movements. This was done in Vietnam under Johnson and Nixon, in the attempt to invade Cuba under Kennedy, in the invasion of Grenada under Reagan. Deprived by 1989 of "the soviet threat" as its excuse, the U.S. found new justifcation as it went back to old-fashion imperialism, sending military forces into Latian America and other areas in order to extend American economic and political influence around the world. The invasion on Panama was the first post-cold-war use of military force. And even though alot of this had to do with other reasons as I said a main reason was to test new weapons and other stupid military things out.

Next time Savage before posting you're opinion learn you're American history and don't always believe what you're teachers or the media tells you. If you would like to find out more about our history or find out what actully happened or is happening check out these few websites savage or I encourage anyone else to check them out!

Znet.org
Progressive.org
AKpress.com -great website

A list of books are

What are historic sites get wrong
Lies my teacher told me
A peoples history of the united states 1492 to the present

Thanks for reading

Peace, Love, Unity

I am hmong and I didn't even know this until I was 16. My father is hmong and my mother is irish german cherokee. I'm like a race cocktail eh? ANyways have any of you ever heard of hmong people? At the age of 16(my peak for ruining my life) i had no backround. It wasn't until I was 18 that I found out the whole truth on my people. A sad story and a very noble people. In short Hmong means Freedom. So I ask anyone have you ever in history heard of the actions of hmong men, woman, and children?

[quote:389ee56eb5="VBallAngel4377"]
i'd hesitate to say that the USA is the world's peacekeeper; but i would definately not say that it's evil.[/quote:389ee56eb5]The countries the US has attacked and bombed for decades, do.

[quote:389ee56eb5="VBallAngel4377"]
i guess i'd compare the USA to bein kinda a big brother type figure. where if a country is beatin up on another country so to speak, the USA steps in, and defends the country.[/quote:389ee56eb5]BS. The US protects and defends its interests. Nothing more, nothing less. Just like it was during the Gulf War.

[quote:389ee56eb5="VBallAngel4377"]
i'd like to think that, for the most part, we defend the innocent countries.[/quote:389ee56eb5]:rolleyes:

[quote:389ee56eb5="VBallAngel4377"]
but i also kno that there are times we defend the country that would benefit us the best. i kno there are problems w/our country/government, but i also kno that i am so glad i was born here and live here and everything. i'm proud to be an american. i'm not proud of everything we've done, but i think we have a good thing goin here. [/quote:389ee56eb5]Good thing going? Take a look at your current situation, how much conflict your country, among MANY others, has created, and think twice about that assbackward statement. If you think you have "a good thing going" when you support Israel...

[quote:914e973434="Mugya"]
I am hmong and I didn't even know this until I was 16. My father is hmong and my mother is irish german cherokee. I'm like a race cocktail eh? ANyways have any of you ever heard of hmong people? At the age of 16(my peak for ruining my life) i had no backround. It wasn't until I was 18 that I found out the whole truth on my people. A sad story and a very noble people. In short Hmong means Freedom. So I ask anyone have you ever in history heard of the actions of hmong men, woman, and children? [/quote:914e973434]I'm sorry, but I haven't. Wish I had. Care to enlighten me? :)

Plain and simple: The US is not a peacekeeper; it protects its own interests and the interests of the majority of the US population, no matter how injust the interests may be.

[b:8dae51cb2e]Example:[/b:8dae51cb2e]
The situation with Israelis and Palestinians. There are by far a greater number of pro-israel and jewish people here in the US than there are palestinians. Suicide bombers sadly blow themselves up throughout Israeli cities, and invokes a strong Israeli offensive, now keeping Arafat in lockdown.

But let us change the scenario. Israeli extremists blow themselves up in Palestinian cities, kill many people. Palestine invades Jerusalem, keeps Sharon locked in an unlit room. Does the US and it's media approve of Palestine's lack of tolerance for terrorists? No. It warns Palestine that without military withdrawl, US action would be inevitable. And only because there is a larger Jewish people. And this is not to be disrespectful to jews, i respect them fully. It's disrespecting the American government and how it works. It, or more distinctly it's elected members, will do whatever is required to be re-elected and maintain high approval ratings. It's a sad thing....it is.

Yes, but the reason that we support the Israelis is that the country belongs to them now. It was, in 1948, made an official state for the Jews. So, the Palestinians, although they may have a swell reason, have no claim to the land any more under law.

No offense, but Americans aren't the best peacekeepers. I'm not saying that because the nation is like this that everyone who is American has this characteristic, but Americans tend to mess in other nations' businesses and blast places out and such, even if they mean good. I'm not saying they aren't good at fixing things, though.

I'm patriotic about my country; I'm not as patriotic about Canada as an American is about the country of this person, but Canada is envied by other countries for its peacefulness. We need to cool down, somehow, and meet agreements around the world...

ANyways I didn't know this until I was 16 but hmong are a minorty poeople in loas. During the vietnam war the hmong saved thousands of american troops at the expense of more of their own lives. In the end america said thanks and left the hmong to deal with the wicked. They thought their friends they had helped so much would return and they didn't America left them hanging. Although a lot of people in the end were in refugee camps. A lot of hmong died for the sake of freedom. After america left hmong were considered to be a traitors because they belived in freedom and helped america. Genocide was to be started after this and chemical warfare on a simple people. The story is sad and I don't hold it against the US but as far as peacekeeping goes. We could try a little harder at it.

If you really want to know more about it there is an awesome book that enlightened me when I was a punk kid "Tragic Mountains"
I'm sure its on amazon.

[quote:f571d582b1][i:f571d582b1]Originally posted by Neg [/i:f571d582b1]

[i:f571d582b1]JWB:[/i:f571d582b1]
I take peacekeeper to mean to take any steps necessary to ensure that freedom will continue and to prevent evil from dominating the world. [/quote:f571d582b1]

Ensure freedom?! Scuse me but the US government is doing the exact opposite. They are like a great big giant poncing around the globe only thinking about his intrests. If someone doesn't dance according to their whistle they invent some excuse and whip their pistols at them.

Canada sent troops to help the U-S after 9-11 to show their support of us.

[quote:b48e0e1747="JWB"]
"any steps" - Anything that would not be worse than as if we didn't take action.[/quote:b48e0e1747]I'll agree to that at some level, yet I disagree. Can't actually explain it... Heh.

[quote:b48e0e1747="JWB"]
""freedom" - No government telling everone how to live there life, and telling people how they must spend there money, do things, practive there religion(without harming others)[/quote:b48e0e1747]And who, in your opinion, does that to its general populace?

[quote:b48e0e1747="JWB"]
""evil" - A government telling everone how to live there life, and telling people how they must spend there money, do things, practive there religion(without harming others)- killing thousands in a unprovek attack, rich leaders who let there citizens starve, etc. [/quote:b48e0e1747]I repeat, who, in your opinion, does that to its general populace?

[quote:d370fd8428="LHelix"]
Yes, but the reason that we support the Israelis is that the country belongs to them now. It was, in 1948, made an official state for the Jews. So, the Palestinians, although they may have a swell reason, have no claim to the land any more under law. [/quote:d370fd8428]Of course they do. It was their land to begin with, wasn't it? The Gaza-strip belongs to the Palestinians, not the Israeli.

Simply said, every country acts in its own self-interest. Throughout histroy, there is proof. Anyone who doubts this can sent me a message.

The only way to stop wars is to destroy every existing government and form a new [color=red:c5a76b3aa8]world democracy[/color:c5a76b3aa8] out of their ashes. Erase the board and draw again, draw a world where people keep the power and don't invest it in filthy polititians!