I just can't help but engage in just a LITTLE schadenfreude over this anniversary of the French riots promulgated by Islamic acolytes who infest the suburbs of major French cities. They really thought that opposing the U.S. at the U.N. over the Iraq war would've earned them brownie points amongst the Muslims living in France, looks like that just went down the toilet, dammit.

Of course, the French themselves would rather forget the entire youth muslim riot incident that went on for a good three weeks, featuring the hundreds of burning cars and the firebombed buildings. (As a side note, could you imagine the worldwide codemnation if blacks in this country were rioting in hundreds of American cities and burning thousands of cars for almost a month? It's amazing just how a news story gets viewed, dammit.) Well, unfortunately the Future Islamists of France have got other ideas. With hundreds of young muslims marching to commemorate the death of two of their ilk, unrest has rumbled just a bit. There have been marches of young Muslims, some carrying knives and guns two buses torched and one hijacked (give THAT group a few years and they'll either be flying planes into large buildings or smashing buses into French wine shops, dammit.) tension is rising, the police are on the alert and reporters from all over the world are keeping a careful watch on what is going on.

Stepping aside from the unrest itself, the root causes of the riots, the TRUE causes are still very much in place in these immigrant suburbs. The unemployment, the fact that the French don't seem too damn interested in assimilating the immigrants and the utter hopelessness the young immigrants feel about their future.

Keep your eyes and ears open on the situation in France, sooner or later it's going to BLOW again, dammit.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/27/061027174215.0z6la8c3.html

You've got a lot of hate for the French it seems

The weak-ass French have had it. Serves them right. The U.S. is going to be in the same boat if the weak liberals do not stand against this tide of Islamics.
Then this country will deserve it too.

Tide of Islamics?

Take a guess at how many people die a year from terrorism

Tide of Islamics?

Take a guess at how many people die a year from terrorism
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Has nothing to do with terrorism. The fifth column will influence politics first.

Don't need terrorism if you simply overwhelm the existing populace. Look to what's happenening along the U.S. southern border. Research how the hispanic population has exploded not only there but in many areas throughout the country.

Has nothing to do with terrorism. The fifth column will influence politics first.
How many places in Europe have a powerful, Islamic, political position? There is nothing supporting this Islamic fifth column theory.

Don't need terrorism if you simply overwhelm the existing populace. Look to what's happenening along the U.S. southern border. Research how the hispanic population has exploded not only there but in many areas throughout the country.
I'm looking at the border and I don't see any Mexican in power. I don't see any Mexican even in politics down on the border. Politics and business are influenced by money and educated people, not numbers.

How many places in Europe have a powerful, Islamic, political position? There is nothing supporting this Islamic fifth column theory.

We are speaking of France. Watch the news.

The weak-ass French have had it. Serves them right. The U.S. is going to be in the same boat if the weak liberals do not stand against this tide of Islamics.
Then this country will deserve it too.

Sometimes you surprise me Dan. "Weak liberals"? "Tide of Islamics? Have you been listening to Rush lately?

We are speaking of France. Watch the news.

Yea I know, but your theory applies to our problem with Mexico too - the fifth column theory has been applied to Mexico, and we've had more immigrants than France has yet we have not lost power or even had it marginalized by them.

We are speaking of France. Watch the news.

You didn't answer the question. Where in Europe? Are you referring to the violence in France? I still don't see Islamics in positions of power or influence.

One doesn't have to be in elected office to be in a position of power or influence.

God Bless France

Sometimes you surprise me Dan. "Weak liberals"? "Tide of Islamics? Have you been listening to Rush lately?

No Vile, I can honestly say that I have never listened to him.

You didn't answer the question. Where in Europe? Are you referring to the violence in France? I still don't see Islamics in positions of power or influence.

Wip, I do not know the population of France without looking it up, but the estimated 5 million and growing Muslims in France, must surely be a large voting block. Years down the road this element can grow considerably to become an influence on the law making decisions and the political process.
I believe, that Europe will see these changes before us, but watched closely will be an example.

The violence you spoke of, in France, was bad. If I remember correctly, it was mainly young Muslims and blacks rioting, supposedly, over the lack of economic opportunity.
I do know that recently buses are being burned. We do not know the true root of this violence.

Young Muslims arent readily accepted into French Society, some of the housing conditions they live in would be as bad as parts of big American citys, if not worse. Their effectivly not wanted by the French people,and are a left over from a by gone age of Colonialism,Britain,Holland,Portugal and to a lesser degree Spain are all in the same boat,their past is catching up with them,you only reap what ya sow.

Reminds me of the L.A. riots a few years back.
Be afraid, very afraid!

The islamist theory is just crap. Unfortunately, some young people in french suburbs have enough reasons to commit violence without being manipulated by islamists.

The stupid kids who have been burning cars made it partly beacause of anger, partly beacause they found this funny. Those who have been recruited by islamists have already found a (bad) answer to their problems.

That does not mean they do not represent a threat on some other issues, but in this precise case they were not the problem.

I've been wondering what you had to say about all this, Astra. Have you seen problems where you're living?

The islamist theory is just crap.

Winston Churchill, "Europe is sleepwalking towards disaster."
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Yea, you can be sure that when Britain is in a corner, itll run to Washington.

I've been wondering what you had to say about all this, Astra. Have you seen problems where you're living?

No, absolutely nothing. I live in a rather poor neighbourhood with many immigrants from north african, asia and africa, and it is usuallly quiet.

As usual, I think things look far worse from a distant country, where you only have "bad news" covered by medias. There has been less that 10 incidents with buses bein burned in France these last weeks : this is way too much IMO but it's hardly a massive insurrection ! In fact, a very small number of hooligans is enough to create such a a situation.

This said, I agree that the present situation in many french suburb is bad. It is true that many teenagers from immigrant families are quite angry and have no perspective for their future. It is true than french politicians from right and left have failed to help these neighborhoods, it is true that french society is still quite racist and hardly gives a place to people from foreign origin, and it is true that violence can spread quite easily in many places.

Islamism is also an issue. During the last 10 years, we've seen a growing number of muslim women wearing veils or even (still very rarely, but even one is too much) these ugly black dresses that cover even the eyes. There is also a growing number of young muslims with beards and traditional dress. it is still a very small minority of french muslims, though.

I have no sympathy for radical islam. I think it's a dangerous ideology and it should be watched closely. I also believe that the best way to fight it is to accept muslims as a part of our society and to give them equal access to education and jobs. Most of these kids are not specially fond of religion, and those who turn to radical islam often do it as a reaction against a society in which they don't find their place.

And, once more, I absolutely don't believe radical islam has anything to do with suburbian violence. The kids who burn cars or buses are just totally unable to fit in any structure - school, work, law or religion. That is the main issue : how do we deal whith kids who's life is so fucked up they have nothing better to do ?