SHAMELESS STAR BUYS AN AFRICAN SOUVENIR
By ANDREA PEYSER

October 12, 2006 -- NO WORD - yet - on whether Madonna plans to nail her brand-new bouncing boy to a crucifix, live, in concert.

Madonna, the sluttish, egomaniacal mother-of-the-century has topped even her most revolting self. She plans to remove a baby from the loving arms of his dirt-poor father, in one of the most desperate nations on earth.

Madonna has traveled far beyond her bra-baring, intercourse-simulating, public girl-kissing, Jesus-emulating loser antics to grab attention - and flesh.

The one-named wonder, who already has given birth to two children by two different daddies, one of whom she would not deign to marry, has her heart set on raping Malawi.

What do you think about Madonna adopting a child from Malawi? Days ago, she lined up 12 African boys - tots hand-selected for her perusal. She picked out a 1-year-old, David, to take home in her luggage.


Well guess what? The boy selected in this freakish slave auction is no AIDS orphan. He's got a biological father, plus a granny - but was placed in an orphanage after his mother died. His family loves him. They just can't afford him.

If Madonna possessed a speck of sanity or shame, she would write a generous check. Instead, the boy's father says he is thrilled at the prospect of a wealthy American carting off his progeny.


Madonna should nail herself on her crucifix - for real, this time.

Malawi is making an exception to its law that forbids foreigners from adopting a baby. Living proof that money talks.

Madonna, who at 48 has more undeserved cash than probably sits in the Malawi treasury, agreed to pay big bucks for the transaction.

In exchange for her human package, she will pour $3 million into a center to help 1,000 Malawi orphans.


She'll also spend a mil on a documentary about the plight of children there. Presumably, this plight does not include Madonna's child purchase.

But wait - there's a catch.


Children educated at Madonna's new orphan center and bin for rejected babies will be taught a curriculum based on her pet religion, kabbala.

There is nothing that money can't buy, I suppose. That is except talent and taste - and moral fiber.

Stop this monster! :mad:

How would you stop her.

Next, regardless of how we might feel about her, it sounds like some children might have care and opportunities that they would not have ordinarily had.
The religion thingy is not new;various religions have schools where their beliefs are the predominant teaching. We have seen evidence, right here at the forum, that as adults people can make their own choices about religions.

Madonna may be a wacko, but the kid she adoped will have many opportunities he would not have had, considering where he was living.

People say that money can not buy happiness; well poverty sure as heck can not buy happiness either.

Holy crap dunkirk. You have really managed to twist that story.

She plans to remove a baby from the loving arms of his dirt-poor father, in one of the most desperate nations on earth... ...His family loves him. They just can't afford him.
She plans to take home a child that was up for adoption. They gave him up for adoption so that he could get a better life.

Malawi is making an exception to its law that forbids foreigners from adopting a baby. Living proof that money talks...

...In exchange for her human package, she will pour $3 million into a center to help 1,000 Malawi orphans.
I am glad that those 1000 orphans will have better lives, and I'm glad that the one that she is taking home will have a better life - why are you so angry about this? There is nothing bad coming from this adoption, just a lot of children being given better lives.

I just saw on CNN news that due to a high amount of protest from various organizations that she has decided to leave the country without her "adopted" child. I'll post the first media link that surfaces one the web for you all :@@:

I'll post the first media link that surfaces one the web for you all :@@:Yes, please do. We're all aquiver with anticipation. :rolleyes:

I just saw on CNN news that due to a high amount of protest from various organizations that she has decided to leave the country without her "adopted" child. I'll post the first media link that surfaces one the web for you all :@@:
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I wonder if the "various organizations" will now give the children the help she could have?

She plans to remove a baby from the loving arms of his dirt-poor father, in one of the most desperate nations on earth.
This baby was already seperated from his father. Not to mention this child's father has thanked Madonna for taking his son.

Madonna has traveled far beyond her bra-baring, intercourse-simulating, public girl-kissing, Jesus-emulating loser antics to grab attention - and flesh.
I don't think she would adopt a child to get attention. However, people such as yourself would assume the worst about someone like Madonna.

What do you think about Madonna adopting a child from Malawi? Days ago, she lined up 12 African boys - tots hand-selected for her perusal. She picked out a 1-year-old, David, to take home in her luggage.
Madonna was greeting these children, not seeing which one she liked best.

He's got a biological father, plus a granny - but was placed in an orphanage after his mother died. His family loves him. They just can't afford him.
Isn't that what typically happens? A family cannot afford having a child or that child's parents die? Those are the reasons for why a child is put into an orphanage. Honestly, when most people adopt, the child they adopt does have parents somewhere who just couldn't afford or who just didn't want their child. To attack Madonna for something like this is insane.

Children educated at Madonna's new orphan center and bin for rejected babies will be taught a curriculum based on her pet religion, kabbala.
Although I think her orphan center shouldn't focus around kabbala, it isn't as if all orphans are going to be forced to go there. Not to mention no one knows exactly how much this orphan center will focus on kabbala. However, I do not mind Christian orphan centers what-so-ever.

There is nothing that money can't buy, I suppose. That is except talent and taste - and moral fiber.
She does have talent and moral fiber. :thumbs:

PS: The parts I didn't respond to were personal attacks that proved this author has an extreme bias.

The bratxxxxx,sorry baby was unable to leave Africa because it didnt have a passport.Pity they didnt say the same about Madonna when she was leaving America.

First off.. without a doubt.. this article is a smear piece... when the "reporter" ridicules the person in the article... it doesn't make himself a good case as an unbiased perspective

BUT

Let me just say this: The Father is only happy that the son is going with Madonna because the son will live and have a good life. The father cannot afford to give his son that. If Madonna was smart, or cared.. she'd give the father money IN ORDER to raise the kid.. instead of satisfying her own wants and desires and taking him away. Just a suggestion...

AND (i posted this in the music section)

Did anyone notice this sentence at the end?

Children educated at Madonna's new orphan center and bin for rejected babies will be taught a curriculum based on her pet religion, kabbala.

i wonder how all of these "you can't force religion on me" people like OD will feel that Madonna is teaching kabbala to all of her youngsters...

i mean.. that is WRONG... right OD?

or is it just wrong for christianity?

Oh shit,I wonder if she was a Mormon before she made it big,or worse Catholic.

Let me just say this: The Father is only happy that the son is going with Madonna because the son will live and have a good life. The father cannot afford to give his son that. If Madonna was smart, or cared.. she'd give the father money IN ORDER to raise the kid.. instead of satisfying her own wants and desires and taking him away. Just a suggestion...
Why do you think most people give their children up for adoption? Because they don't have enough money to support their child. Thus they give their child up for adoption so their child can have a better life.

In the United States many young woman/couples give their children up for adoption because they know they don't have the money to support their child. Someone then comes along and adopts that child who was born into an unfortunate lifestyle. The parents hope to god their child is going to be adopted. That is how the system works. What Madonna is doing is no different than the millions of other people who adopt babies.

Honestly, you don't see parents who want to adopt giving money to the biological parents who couldn't provide for their child. Why hold Madonna to a higher standard? If she wants to adopt let her adopt.

i wonder how all of these "you can't force religion on me" people like OD will feel that Madonna is teaching kabbala to all of her youngsters...
How is she "forcing" them to believe in her religion? Firstly, her center may teach Kabbala, but that does not mean she is going to force them to believe in it. Secondly, we don't know to what extent she will be teaching Kabbala in her center. Thirdly, if someone does not want their child to learn Kabbala then they won't give their child to her center. She isn't forcing people to bring their children there.

These Americans who you claim give their kids up thru financial reasons should of thought about this beforehand,and sound like extremely bad parents to me,putting this strain on the state.They should have a tattoo put on their foreheads 'Cant feed cant Breed'.

Again with the extended Madonna threads.
Does she know that you guys are giving her all this free advertising, or is she paying somebody under the table?

Hey administrators. Just change it from www.allforums.net to www.allmadonnaALLTHETIME.net , and be done with it. Yeesh.:mad:

Regardless of motive, regardless of belief (Kabbala or Christian)...the kid, the family, the village and the country are going to benefit. Does much else matter at the end of the day?

I used to love Kabbala.

Man, the combination of those little O's of oats and vitamins and whole milk, the smell was as good as the taste, and that was the perfect start to a morning for a young kid headed off to the second grade.

Such good memories.

Oh wait, did you say Kabbala?
I thought you meant, KABOOM!

Never mind.
:rolleyes:

Oh wait, did you say Kabbala?
I thought you meant, KABOOM!
Some of them that belong to Kabbala look they belong on the box for Kaboom...Paris Hilton etc.

Why do you think most people give their children up for adoption? Because they don't have enough money to support their child. Thus they give their child up for adoption so their child can have a better life.

In the United States many young woman/couples give their children up for adoption because they know they don't have the money to support their child. Someone then comes along and adopts that child who was born into an unfortunate lifestyle. The parents hope to god their child is going to be adopted. That is how the system works. What Madonna is doing is no different than the millions of other people who adopt babies.

Honestly, you don't see parents who want to adopt giving money to the biological parents who couldn't provide for their child. Why hold Madonna to a higher standard? If she wants to adopt let her adopt.

true... hey im not going to STOP her from adopting... I would just say that the RIGHT thing to do would be to keep a family together rather than splitting it apart... that is IF the father is capable... and yes Madonna has the money to do that...


How is she "forcing" them to believe in her religion? Firstly, her center may teach Kabbala, but that does not mean she is going to force them to believe in it. Secondly, we don't know to what extent she will be teaching Kabbala in her center. Thirdly, if someone does not want their child to learn Kabbala then they won't give their child to her center. She isn't forcing people to bring their children there.

sounds to me like you have no problem with religion being taught to kids... if they choose to persue it.

maybe we should give kids in public schools the same choice... being that not all kids can afford private schooling fees...

is that insane? not really.. i have halfway of the opinion that its better to keep all religion out of schools just to silence the headache of the complainers... and churches are free-of-charge and hold "class" every sunday.

But hey, Madonna is teaching these YOUNG and IMPRESSIONABLE kids her religion.. i'm sure they are all mature enough to make this life decision at the age of 4:rolleyes:

true... hey im not going to STOP her from adopting...
But you sure as hell are going to attack her for adopting this child and not giving money to the father.

I would just say that the RIGHT thing to do would be to keep a family together rather than splitting it apart...
The family was already split apart before Madonna got involved.

that is IF the father is capable... and yes Madonna has the money to do that...
It does not matter if Madonna has the money or not. She wants to adopt a child. Many parents, like Madonna, choose to adopt a child that have parents who couldn't afford their child.

Honestly, Madonna wants a child. She wants to raise another child and she is doing what the adoption system was set up to do. It was set up to give children a better chance at life. Why you think Madonna should give money to this father, when Madonna earned this money herself, is laughable IMO.

Right when that father gave his child up, Madonna had every right to take that child. And that is exactly what she did. You cannot attack Madonna for doing something good. If she had not picked this boy, he would still be sitting in an orphan center with a bleek future.

Madonna is adopting for 2 reasons.

1. To save this boy
2. To become a mother

If she gave the father money, she wouldn't get to become a mother which is the whole point.
sounds to me like you have no problem with religion being taught to kids... if they choose to persue it.
Sure, as long as it isn't forced on the masses.

maybe we should give kids in public schools the same choice... being that not all kids can afford private schooling fees...
There is already classes in public schools where you learn about the Bible. Not as something to believe in, but as a literature tool.

is that insane? not really.. i have halfway of the opinion that its better to keep all religion out of schools just to silence the headache of the complainers... and churches are free-of-charge and hold "class" every sunday.
Madonna isn't opening up a school, Decka.

But hey, Madonna is teaching these YOUNG and IMPRESSIONABLE kids her religion.. i'm sure they are all mature enough to make this life decision at the age of 4:rolleyes:
No one knows to what extent it will be taught. However I have no problem with Catholic orphan centers. I think religion does have many good aspects. Why you assume I'm against religion, when I rarely get into religious debates is laughable.

From MSNBC:

I'll take out the clips that I think need to be talked about.

LONDON - The father of the Malawian child pop star Madonna wants to adopt said on Sunday he had not originally planned to give up his son for good when he handed him to an orphanage after the death of his wife last year.
It says that the father didn't originally plan to give his son to the orphanage. However once he did Madonna had every right to try and adopt this child. You cannot fault Madonna for this.

Yohane Banda told a British newspaper he put his son David in an orphanage when he was just over one month old, fearing that he was ill with malaria, which killed his two other sons.
That's sad, but how was Madonna supposed to know this?

“I suppose deep in my heart I always imagined that when he was better, or I had got another wife, I would go and take him back,” Banda told the Mail on Sunday. “I did not think anyone would want to take him away.”
That is the risk you take when you put your son in an orphangae.

But Banda, 31, said he and his family had agreed to allow Madonna and her husband Guy Ritchie to adopt the child, believing it would give him the chance to receive a good education and grow up healthy.
If the father agreed to this, why are people attacking Madonna so much?

Malawian law prohibits adoptions by non-residents, but officials granted an exemption or waiver to Madonna. Human rights groups are challenging that decision and plan to seek a court injunction on Monday to stop the adoption.
This would be the officials fault, not Madonna's.

The pop icon, who already has two children, could also face hurdles in Britain, where she lives, because she has failed to register with a local authority for adoption, the Mail said.
This is the only thing I believe Madonna may have done wrong. Otherwise I think this whole thing is insane.

its not a big deal... obviously she didnt know, and found out. And obviously a few media people smeared her for it... she COULD return the child.. i mean that IS an option. She has every right to keep it, but in the grand scheme of things it makes her look selfish.. even if it isnt her fault.

Reading between the lines today,Id say the kids oldman held out for a backhander before he signed anything.

It says that the father didn't originally plan to give his son to the orphanage..
Yohane Banda told a British newspaper he put his son David in an orphanage when he was just over one month old, fearing that he was ill with malaria, which killed his two other sons.
That is the risk you take when you put your son in an orphangae.
If the father agreed to this, why are people attacking Madonna so much?
Can you not see anything a tad bizarre and ironic in the above quotes OD???????????

Some of them that belong to Kabbala look they belong on the box for Kaboom...Paris Hilton etc.
What the hell is that supposed to mean? ;)

I was in Paris once.

Which part?

The center of course.

You guys are INSANE...THAT was funny...

Oh,exactly where:
Route de la boete.

Oh,exactly where:
Route de la boete.
oops... I misinterpreted which Paris you meant.. :( ...

Oh,exactly where:
Route de la boete.
How was it?

I hear it's a nice place. Heavily traveled, but nice, nonetheless.

oops... I misinterpreted which Paris you meant.. :( ...
I wouldn't be too sure...

How can I explain it.
You get a feeling of space,
and a lot of people have been there.

Yes, but the people who've been there are probably dying to go back. I hear Brouillard, Avenue de l'Observatoire Pussate' is quite the spot in Paris all year round (with the exception of a few days here and there). I really wanna visit. Quite badly, actually....

And on that note.......

Q: What's the difference between Madonna and the Statue of Liberty?

A: Not everybody's been up in the Statue of Liberty!
:eek: :woohoo:

Can you not see anything a tad bizarre and ironic in the above quotes OD???????????
Not really. If you cannot provide for your child, you put them in a place where they can be provided for. He put his child in an orphanage (you know, a place where people come to adopt children, such as Madonna). This man hoped in the near future he could provide for his son, but he didn't know exactly when. So if someone comes along and adopts his child in the meantime, he can't blame that person for doing so.

Not to mention how long was this child supposed to wait?

Also, why are people faulting Madonna for not knowing the exact reasons for why this child was put into an orphanage?

Goodness. Has anyone ever pointed out to you that you might be just a bit obsessed with this woman old enough to be your mother? (Madonna I mean.)

What exactly is your relationship with your mother? Is it healthy and normal, or is there a chance that you over-identify with that which you covet?
Et tu, Oedipus?
:eek: :confused: :mad: :rolleyes: :cool:

Goodness. Has anyone ever pointed out to you that you might be just a bit obsessed with this woman old enough to be your mother? (Madonna I mean.)

What exactly is your relationship with your mother? Is it healthy and normal, or is there a chance that you over-identify with that which you covet?
Et tu, Oedipus?
:eek: :confused: :mad: :rolleyes: :cool:
Everyone has their favorite artists/things in life. Typically people know a lot about their favorite things and defend their favorite things. It just so happens that one of the things I like in this world (Madonna and her music) is being pushed in the news right now.

I'm no more "obsessed" then other people are with their favorite artists. It is just that their artists aren't being attacked in the news right now.

Not really.
Pity you can't see that...it explains in a very concise manner why people are ticked with her and your explanation merely fed into it.

If you cannot provide for your child, you put them in a place where they can be provided for. He put his child in an orphanage (you know, a place where people come to adopt children, such as Madonna). This man hoped in the near future he could provide for his son, but he didn't know exactly when. So if someone comes along and adopts his child in the meantime, he can't blame that person for doing so.?Truly all the ins and outs and round abouts and how faultless and selfless Madonna is are irrelevant to me which is perhaps why I so enjoyed the way you messed up her defense.

Also, why are people faulting Madonna for not knowing the exact reasons for why this child was put into an orphanage? That isn't why they are faulting her. I have zero problem with her taking the kid. He will have a better life and so will his father, the village and the whole country... Take ten... hell she can afford it, hell take a hundred.

This Madonna thing was on the TV tonight & I failed to understand why it is such a big deal.

She wants to adopt a kid from some impoverished country (her choice)

The kid was up for adoption.

In 20 years time the kid will be driving a Mercedes to & from his penthouse filled with hookers vs he could be living in a mud hut covered in flies shitting in to a hole in the ground he dug with his bear hands the day before.

Beyond that Madonna has built several orphanages in that country & done lots of charitable work there.

People should leave Madonna alone on this one, and for the kids sake let her adopt him. Jeez anybody in their right mind would want to be adopted by madonna - it would be like winning the Lotto.

yea, i havnt heard anything on the news.. but i dont really care about it... its not a big deal

Madonna lives in London,theres thousands of kids sitting in homes in that area looking a good home,why fly halfway round the world to do it,Angelina Jolie done the samt thing,Im sure theres plenty of kids in LA who could do with a good home also,publicity eh.

Madonna lives in London,theres thousands of kids sitting in homes in that area looking a good home,why fly halfway round the world to do it,Angelina Jolie done the samt thing,Im sure theres plenty of kids in LA who could do with a good home also,publicity eh.

So what? Is Madonna supposed to adopt every kid in the world? It's her friggin choice what country she wants to adopt from. It would be far easier for her to adopt some caucasion baby from London or LA, but you have to respect her for choosing adoption in the country she did.

Basically this is none of anybody's business except for Madonna.

My feeling, Drew, is that Madonna's decision to adopt a kid from a foreign nation says she cares more about the impoverished from another country than she does her own. You're right - it's her choice, but in my opinion, it speaks volumes about her "media darling" (so to speak) M.O. It's purely a publicity stunt. Take speaking with a British accent after being married to Guy Ritchie for a year as a prime example, or publishing a trashy book, or wearing outrageous clothing for that matter....it all boils down to the same common denominator; her.

Heres a follow up story on Madonna's shananagans


Madonna adoption plans trigger broad backlash By Mike Collett-White
Tue Oct 17, 9:02 AM ET



LONDON (Reuters) - Controversy and criticism have followed Madonna every step of the way on the path to stardom, more often enhancing her career than hindering it.


But even she may be surprised by the strength of the backlash over her plan to adopt a small boy from Malawi.

One-year-old David Banda arrived in London on Tuesday and the welcome he received from the international media camped out at Heathrow airport and outside Madonna's London home was a sign of how radically his life was about to change.

That change is what concerns many children's charities, who wonder how Banda will cope with leaving a Malawi orphanage for a world of luxury homes, private jets and press intrusion.

"What we're saying is, rather than taking this child overseas and caring for him in a totally alien environment, why not support the father to take care of his own son in his own community?" said Philippa Lei of the World Vision group.

Banda's mother died shortly after giving birth, but his father is alive and has told reporters that he only intended to leave David in the orphanage for a short time. He did, however, welcome Madonna's decision to adopt his son.

The debate about the adoption has inevitably moved to the Internet, where similar concerns are being aired.

"To take him away from his father is cruel and selfish, an act designed to provide Madonna with favorable publicity," wrote one contributor responding to an opinion piece in Britain's Observer newspaper that was strongly in favor of Madonna.

"That child will grow up to resent her for taking him away from his natural parent."

Not everyone is against the adoption. Madonna's supporters point out that she is donating considerable time and money to Malawi and that, on balance, the boy stands to gain.

"Angelina Jolie, Meg Ryan and Mia Farrow have done it too, drawing criticism of rich celebrities, western arrogance, racism and fashionably cute babies. But surely what counts most is the happiness of one child?" Britain's Guardian newspaper wrote in an editorial.


Madonna's motives have been questioned, as commentators wonder whether the 48-year-old is imitating other "A"-list stars.

Jolie has adopted children from overseas and Africa has become a major draw for celebrity campaigners including Gwyneth Paltrow and U2's Bono.

"I think in her mind she thinks she's doing the right thing and putting her money where her mouth is," said Michael Musto, a celebrity columnist for the Village Voice in New York.

"But I think the cynicism is coming from the fact that this looks like a copycat of Angelina's actions and Madonna seems to view an African orphan as the latest hot accessory."

Another raw nerve exposed by the adoption story has been what outsiders view as the special treatment given to Madonna because of her wealth, fame and power.

Malawian law bans adoptions by non-residents, but officials are granting an exemption to Madonna.

"The rich shouldn't get preferential treatment. I am fine with the idea of the adoption but I want people to go through the system," said Emmie Chanika, director of the Civil Liberties Committee.




link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061017/ts_nm/madonna_backlash_dc

This Madonna thing was on the TV tonight & I failed to understand why it is such a big deal.

She wants to adopt a kid from some impoverished country (her choice)

The kid was up for adoption.

In 20 years time the kid will be driving a Mercedes to & from his penthouse filled with hookers vs he could be living in a mud hut covered in flies shitting in to a hole in the ground he dug with his bear hands the day before.

Beyond that Madonna has built several orphanages in that country & done lots of charitable work there.

People should leave Madonna alone on this one, and for the kids sake let her adopt him. Jeez anybody in their right mind would want to be adopted by madonna - it would be like winning the Lotto.
THANK YOU DREW!!

I still don't see how her adopting a child makes her have "gone crazy (this time for real)"

My feeling, Drew, is that Madonna's decision to adopt a kid from a foreign nation says she cares more about the impoverished from another country than she does her own. You're right - it's her choice, but in my opinion, it speaks volumes about her "media darling" (so to speak) M.O. It's purely a publicity stunt. Take speaking with a British accent after being married to Guy Ritchie for a year as a prime example, or publishing a trashy book, or wearing outrageous clothing for that matter....it all boils down to the same common denominator; her.
All of the things you say are "publicity stunts" are actually Madonna trying to push a social/political issue. You just choose to view it in a conservative light.

The adoption systems in other countries are far worse than the ones in her home country. Which is most likely why she decided to adopt from a foregin country. To say and make it seem like she "cares more about another country than her own" is insane. She cares about giving a child a better life. It should have nothing to do with what country she adopts from.

Honestly, I don't think Madonna would adopt a child to "get attention". I think anyone with a bit of sanity would agree that even Madonna, the quote "attention whore", wouldn't sink this low as to adopt a child for attention.

Not to mention, why would she adopt a child (who she is going to have to take care of for 18 years) for just a few weeks of her name in the news? I mean, that is going out on a limb and makes you appear a bit bias.

Why can't people just be greatful that Madonna is helping a child from one of the poorest nations on earth?
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I still don't see how her adopting a child makes her have "gone crazy (this time for real)"
People think that Madonna did a few things wrong. However these claims aren't really true.

Claim #1: Madonna lined children up and picked which one she liked best.
False: That was a picture of Madonna meeting a group of children in a village.

Claim #2: Madonna bypassed the adoption system.
Somewhat true: Supposedly you have to live a whole year in that country to adopt a child, however the government supposedly bypassed this law because Madonna has given money to help children in that country. However, I don't think you can blame Madonna for this.

Claim #3: Madonna stole the child from his father. People think this because the father was quoted as saying "I had no choice in the matter" However this is...
False: The father gave his son to an orphange because he couldn't take care of him anymore. Thus giving up his "choice" in the matter. He hoped that someday he could take his son back, but didn't know when. The chances of this ever happening is unlikely. Not to mention if you put your child in an orphanage people have the right to try and adopt your child regardless of if you want that child back or not.

If you believe these claims of course you are going to think Madonna is "insane".

When I had sex with Madonna, back in 1983, she expressed little concern about raising children or the general state of affairs on the continent of Africa.

But to be fair, she was but a flowering pop singer, and not yet given to political forms of personal expression, nor was she terribly inclined toward raising any natural children of her own.

It was my observation then that she had not yet found her center.
(And to be honest, she rarely found her way to the shower or the razor. But who am I to judge the grooming habits of future pop-music superstars? All I knew was, she didn't smell particularly good.)

I applaud her now, for both her dedication to motherhood, and for her concern for the underpriviledged orphans of Malawi.

I just hope she's learned how to clean up her koochie.
Damn, that thing had an aroma to it!
:(

This Madonna thing was on the TV tonight & I failed to understand why it is such a big deal.

She wants to adopt a kid from some impoverished country (her choice)

The kid was up for adoption.

In 20 years time the kid will be driving a Mercedes to & from his penthouse filled with hookers vs he could be living in a mud hut covered in flies shitting in to a hole in the ground he dug with his bear hands the day before.

Beyond that Madonna has built several orphanages in that country & done lots of charitable work there.

People should leave Madonna alone on this one, and for the kids sake let her adopt him. Jeez anybody in their right mind would want to be adopted by madonna - it would be like winning the Lotto.

Agreed,one lucky kid.

I can't believe the level of outrage at this considering what has come to be acceptable behavior by public figures. The level of ethical rationalization required to simply accept the greatest good argument and absolve Ms. blond ambition is unimaginable to me. Saying that if I killed your granny a thousand children in southeast asia would live would not make killing granny any more acceptable, greater good or not.

Saying that if I killed your granny a thousand children in southeast asia would live would not make killing granny any more acceptable, greater good or not.
Why not? Isn't saving tons of people worth the price of one life?

Why not? Isn't saving tons of people worth the price of one life?

supposedly... we shouldnt be forced with the decision to kill anyone...

its just like negotiating with terrorists... we dont do it. Even though it COULD save lives....

but in reality the less people dead the better.

supposedly... we shouldnt be forced with the decision to kill anyone...

its just like negotiating with terrorists... we dont do it. Even though it COULD save lives....

but in reality the less people dead the better.
The terrorist is held captive. Unlikes the Gramma. :thumbs:

All of the things you say are "publicity stunts" are actually Madonna trying to push a social/political issue.
What issue is she pushing!?!? I don't think she's anywhere near profound enough to push an "issue" or much less make a point.....

I can't believe the level of outrage at this considering what has come to be acceptable behavior by public figures. The level of ethical rationalization required to simply accept the greatest good argument and absolve Ms. blond ambition is unimaginable to me. Saying that if I killed your granny a thousand children in southeast asia would live would not make killing granny any more acceptable, greater good or not.

Ok, if killing your granny saved 1000 children, and not killing her meant that 1000 children died which would you choose? If it was someone elses grandmother, I would say go for it, as everyone should.


btw, who is Madonna killing to save all those children in the orphanage? She is doing a humanitarian deed. I commend her for helping those who are less privilaged.

There's plenty of kids available for adoption in whatever country she calls home. Going to Africa and adopting is a sad publicity stunt.

I don't care if it's a publicity stunt or not. If every really rich person wanted to give 3 million away to look better in the eyes of the public, I would still be very impressed with them.

I think this is nobody but Modonna's business and I think this is not a big deal at all. Was this whole adoption business the most effective way of helping the needy given someone of Madonna's influence? No. But I don't think that's the point at all. The point is doing something that's gonna be hopefully beneficial to herself (for many reasons, not the least of which can very well be that she might simply feel good about doing this) and make quite a few people happier. If she's happy, the boy is happy, she gets publicity out of it, then the whole fiasco could be considered pretty successful. And everybody can move on to the next piece of news.

What issue is she pushing!?!? I don't think she's anywhere near profound enough to push an "issue" or much less make a point.....
The fact that woman can't be both sexy and smart.

The double standard that women can't admit to liking sex and or be sexual without being called a "slut". However when men do the same they are viewed as "normal" and "cool"

There's plenty of kids available for adoption in whatever country she calls home. Going to Africa and adopting is a sad publicity stunt.
The kids in her home country have far better adoption centers and the issues the kids face in Africa are far worse than the issues in her home country.

Not to mention, it should not matter what country she decides to adopt from. What should matter is that she is adopting a child in need. Period. Twisting this whole story around is laughable.

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Just in!

Dad in Madonna adoption blasts critics
18 October 2006 - Yahoo! News

The biological father of Baby David - the 13-month-old boy adopted by Madonna - on Wednesday criticized human rights groups seeking to reverse the move and said his child should stay with the star.

The Human Rights Consultative Committee, a coalition of 67 organizations, launched a legal challenge Tuesday to the Malawian government decision to relax the usual ban on adoptions by foreigners and relax the requirement that prospective parents have to stay with the child for 18-24 months for assessment before the adoption is formalized.

'Where were these people when David was struggling in the orphanage? These so-called human rights groups should leave my baby alone,' Yohane Banda said.

'As father I have okayed this, I have no problem; the village has no problem, who are they to cause trouble? Please let them stop.'
Madonna and British film director husband Guy Ritchie Thursday spent eight days in Malawi and last Thursday signed adoption papers for Baby David. Banda, David's father, counter-signed the papers and High Court judge, Justice Andrew Nyirenda, issued the celebrity couple an 'interim order' okaying the couple to take the baby away 'with conditions.'
The boy was flown to London on Monday.

A government official said the laws being used by the civil rights groups to mount the challenge were 'archaic.'

Penston Kilembe, the Director of Child Welfare Services in the Ministry of Gender, child Welfare and Community Services, told The AP the laws the civil rights groups are using are 'archaic.'

'These laws date back to the 1940s; things have changed now,' he said. 'Madonna and her husband has broken no laws as far as government is concerned. They have followed all the legal steps.'
Kilembe said when approving the adoption of Baby David government looked at rights of the baby and the family and 'found nothing amiss.'
'These groups should fight for rights of children, not block the same like they are trying to do now,' he said.

The civil rights groups chairman, Justice Dzonzi, said they were not against the adoption, but wanted the laws followed. 'If Madonna really wants the child, she has to apply for residency permit in Malawi,' he said.
The star found David at the Home of Hope Orphanage, which looks after more than 500 children who have lost one or both parents.

Banda's wife, Marita, 28, died a week after giving birth to David. The couple, who had been married for over 10 years, had two other sons who died in infancy from malaria.

'I was alone with a baby; I had no money, I couldn't buy him milk, that's why I surrendered him to the orphanage,' said Banda.

'Orphanage life is no good. We leave kids there because we can't look after them properly ourselves. Now my son has been taken by a kindhearted woman, these people want to bring him back to the orphanage,' lamented Banda, standing in his small garden of onions and tomatoes.

The peasant farmer said Madonna and Ritchie promised him nothing apart from 'love and care for my David.'

Banda's village is typical of many in Malawi - no electricity or running water, and basic mud huts. Few inhabitants had even heard of Madonna before the controversy erupted.

'Whoever she is she is a kindhearted woman,' said Village Headman Lipunga, the chief of the village. 'We all love her here and we hope she will visit us soon.'

Banda's village is typical of many in Malawi - no electricity or running water, and basic mud huts. Few inhabitants had even heard of Madonna before the controversy erupted.

So it follows that the Malawi's don't bathe very often either. I figured there had to be a connection there somewhere.
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You're being nasty. And I think you're just messing with overdose, which is not only cruel, but is beneath you. Hes just a messed up kid with issues. Wheres the sport in that?

(Did you really have sex wiht Madonna though?):confused:

a. Yes, it is beneath me, but God help me I love messing with him.

b. Yes, I did in fact have sex with her. It was a long time ago though, and she and I both have moved on in our lives and careers. I wish I could lie and say it was great, but sadly, it was not. To say any more beyond that the fact that she had hygiene and pilosity issues would be ungentlemanly.

I do have some standards, after all.
:rolleyes:

Yes, I did in fact have sex with her.
Shameless, allowing yourself to be used that way...
I do have some standards, after all.
:rolleyes: *sigh* demonstrably inaccurate

Hes (Overdose) just a messed up kid with issues. Wheres the sport in that?
How polite of you to notice.
You're being nasty. And I think you're just messing with overdose, which is not only cruel, but is beneath you.
And by pointing out that "he's just a messed up kid with issues", you're not?

Ever hear of tact???
(Did you really have sex wiht Madonna though?):confused:
Now why would Sparky lie about something as important as having sex with Madonna? :confused:

Now why would Sparky lie about something as important as having sex with Madonna?

I think the bigger question is, why would anyone admit to it?! :D