This woman deserves far worse than I can imagine, and that's saying a whole lot. Stoning her slowly flayed body seems too kind.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15197558/

Wow, that's a new societal low.

I read this earlier today. Yeah, isn't mom special?

Going through what I'm going through with my own son right now makes me even MORE stunned and disgusted. My freaking heart stopped Friday night as I watched him lay on the field....his body not moving, but tears rolling down his face black...God, I want to lay my hands on that woman! My son will heal, hopefully hers will too, but with a new set of parents.

That is sick. I mean what kind of drugs do you have to be on to even consider that your infant would make a good weapon?

I'm telling you, screw human rights, some people should be sterilized. She just gave up her rights to her ovaries.

This bitch deserves to be stoned to fucking death!!!!!!

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This tears me up inside. With so many good people wanting kids and this one women takes the one gift she could ever receive and does this to her child. There is no where in hell she could hide that would keep her safe. I think death is to kind. I can't express what I think should be done to her. I am just sickened by her behaviour of this innocent life.

I'm telling you, screw human rights, some people should be sterilized. She just gave up her rights to her ovaries.


I totally agree, Sal. Some people are simply not fit to be parents and should be prevented from having children.

WOAW !
Fortunately there are still laws to protect people from being lynched.
Maybe this woman deserves help as well as punishment ?

*sigh* its' always the nutjobs that make the news in pennsylvania

Is there really anything you can do in terms of punishment for this woman? For such an incident, not even the harshest punishment can make up for something like this.

first of all, find homes for her other kids. and then rip out her uterus

"Stoning her slowly flayed body seems too kind. "
"some people should be sterilized"
"This bitch deserves to be stoned to fucking death!!!!!! "
"death is to kind"
"rip out her uterus"

Come on eveybody. Parents who hurt babies make me sick too. But your reactions are not really what I would expect from civilized people.

I would think the worst possible punishment for this offense would be to cure her insanity and to let her live the rest of her life in jail contemplating what she did.

"Stoning her slowly flayed body seems too kind. "
"some people should be sterilized"
"This bitch deserves to be stoned to fucking death!!!!!! "
"death is to kind"
"rip out her uterus"

Come on eveybody. Parents who hurt babies make me sick too. But your reactions are not really what I would expect from civilized people.
I'm the one in favour of sterilization. Truly I am not exaggerating. Tell me this astrapol2 how are you going to protect her next child? Does the child have no rights? We are not at a place yet in our society where we can guarantee a child's safety. To me, her rights are forfeit and her child's rights and any future children she may produce, come first.
Was she likely abused? Count on it! Should they too be held responsible... yeah, they should. But immediate action must happen. Some hazy, warm fuzzy maybe we can help her so she won't do it again, will not protect the children in future. We are not advanced enough in understanding the human mind and it's workings to protect her next child. Give me your solution wich you deem more "civilized" and I am more than willing to listen and consider it.

I'm the one in favour of sterilization.
Not me. I'm not allowing any govt to decide who is entitled to procreate and who is not.
Truly I am not exaggerating. Tell me this astrapol2 how are you going to protect her next child? Does the child have no rights?
Of course they do, don't imagine that I am not concerned with children's rights. But I don't think that the best way to protect kids is to sterilize people - on which criterias ?
If this woman has children in the future, I think social services should be present to help her, and assess the situation. Maybe the kids should not be let to her. But we do not have enough information to judge her here and now. Maybe her problem is with drugs or alcohol more than with kids.

We are not at a place yet in our society where we can guarantee a child's safety. To me, her rights are forfeit and her child's rights and any future children she may produce, come first.
Children have rights. People have rights. Even criminal have rights.


Was she likely abused? Count on it! Should they too be held responsible... yeah, they should. But immediate action must happen. Some hazy, warm fuzzy maybe we can help her so she won't do it again, will not protect the children in future. We are not advanced enough in understanding the human mind and it's workings to protect her next child. Give me your solution wich you deem more "civilized" and I am more than willing to listen and consider it.

Punishment - jail, unless she's considered as mentally deeranged, in this case she should be cured. She should be helped anyway. If necessary, social services should watch her as long as necessary when she goes out of jail.

All parents face moments when they can blow a fuse and harm their kids. Of course, fortunately, most of us do not. But those who harm their kids are not always monster - sometimes it could have been avoided, if they had the proper help at the given time.
I don'y mean she should not be judged. She deserves punishment. But who are we do decide she should be stoned to death or sterilized, just on the basis of a few lines in the paper ?

Not me. I'm not allowing any govt to decide who is entitled to procreate and who is not.
A scary prospect I will admit when you think about the fact that most governments commit crimes equally heinous.


Of course they do, don't imagine that I am not concerned with children's rights. But I don't think that the best way to protect kids is to sterilize people - on which criterias ?
I don't think the best way to protect children's rights (in general) is to sterilize people either. But I think in some cases it is a viable solution. This is one of those cases.


If this woman has children in the future, I think social services should be present to help her, and assess the situation. Maybe the kids should not be let to her. But we do not have enough information to judge her here and now. Maybe her problem is with drugs or alcohol more than with kids.
Okay, here's were I have a real problem with the whole fuzzy, warm, put it off on social services thing. The resources are not there...period. I could tell you of a few situations that I recently encountered that involved children and social services. Honestly, it would curl your hair. I would not put an animal into such situations. But these little beings who can not advocate for themselves need someone to do it for them and social services IS NOT THE ANSWER. It just isn't astrapol. We can't even help children currently in desperate need of help. Saying social services will moderate is just naive in the extreme.


Children have rights. People have rights. Even criminal have rights. Everyone has rights to begin with. Once you prove you are incapable of handling that freedom, it is forfeit.


Punishment - jail, unless she's considered as mentally deeranged, in this case she should be cured. She should be helped anyway. If necessary, social services should watch her as long as necessary when she goes out of jail.
No...incarcerating her and thinking it will change her psyche is not even close to a possibility.

All parents face moments when they can blow a fuse and harm their kids. Of course, fortunately, most of us do not.And therein lies the difference... most do not.

But those who harm their kids are not always monster -
She is not a monster. She is someone who has demonstrated that she is mentally/emotionally incapable of being responsible for a newborn.


sometimes it could have been avoided, if they had the proper help at the given time.It could always be avoided but it wasn't and it won't be because the system is strangled by need and cannot meet those needs.

I don'y mean she should not be judged.
I can't judge her and neither can you but someone must make a judgement call and stand up and say...no resources to protect the women's future children means "no more future children".

She deserves punishment. I don't care if she is punished or not... I DO care if she is allowed close to another child without supervision.

But who are we do decide she should be stoned to death or sterilized, just on the basis of a few lines in the paper ? Well someone had better or another child will have it's head bashed in because of someone's fit of rage and inability to reason and know right from wrong.

"Stoning her slowly flayed body seems too kind. "
"some people should be sterilized"
"This bitch deserves to be stoned to fucking death!!!!!! "
"death is to kind"
"rip out her uterus"

Come on eveybody. Parents who hurt babies make me sick too. But your reactions are not really what I would expect from civilized people

Who said anything about being civilized, bitch needs to burn alive and kept alive while burning as long as possible.

Sorrry man, I got to go with Sal on this. Your ideas are humane and kind to everyone. THey don't work, some crimes are too great to expect Jail or time in a mental institution to cure. If an animal goes rabid do you put in in a cell and try to cure it? People like that have gone rabid and deserve the worst. If that makes me uncivilized then so be it. I deal with that when I stand before whatever is waiting on the other side.

Sal
I understand your point of view, and I share your concerna bout protecting babies. Sure, social services often fail to prevent such dramas, and i agree that jail won't solve the problem.
But I don't rely on forced sterilization, mostly beacause I think it would cause more trouble than it would solve problems.
IMO that debate raises the issue of real priorities in our societies : what price are we willing to pay to enable parents mental or social problems to solve them ?
The richest countries in the world should assess priorities and give enough resourcesto their social services and rehab programs to avoid sush things. It's not a question of resources but of political will and priorities.

We can sterilize every child abuser and sex offender and kill every murderer, that won't prevent people from harming their kids, raping or killing. And I don't want to live in a society where the govt or judges can decide who will live or die and who will have babies or not.

Sal
I understand your point of view, and I share your concerna bout protecting babies. Sure, social services often fail to prevent such dramas, and i agree that jail won't solve the problem.
But I don't rely on forced sterilization, mostly beacause I think it would cause more trouble than it would solve problems.

We can sterilize every child abuser and sex offender and kill every murderer, that won't prevent people from harming their kids, raping or killing. And I don't want to live in a society where the govt or judges can decide who will live or die and who will have babies or not.
I know we can not really implement sterilization for such an offense. It sounds barbaric because it is. However, I do not see much difference between sterilizing a woman for such an offence and castrating a man for repeatedly raping. Really astrapol they do equate.
What they usually do here in Canada in such cases is they remove subsequent children upon birth. The only problem with that is if she gives birth at home, there are virtually no records.

There might be huge problems that could occur if not carefully monitored. With male castration people don't seem to be all up in arms about it. Just as an aside male castration does not prevent rape... but female sterilization certainly would prevent further babies... ironic really.


IMO that debate raises the issue of real priorities in our societies : what price are we willing to pay to enable parents mental or social problems to solve them ?
The richest countries in the world should assess priorities and give enough resourcesto their social services and rehab programs to avoid sush things. It's not a question of resources but of political will and priorities.
And this is really the crux of the problem. People do not seem capable of connecting help given in such cases to a healthier, stronger, more progressive country/society. It is an endless cycle of poverty, neglect, abuse, lack of proper medical care (for physical and mental) problems. We are getting there but we are no where close to civilized yet. We only pretend to be.

WOAW !
Fortunately there are still laws to protect people from being lynched.
Thankfully so, or something tells me Jesse Jackson would be all over this lynching (Chytoria Graham's, that is) like white on rice.
Maybe this woman deserves help as well as punishment ?
Yes, you're right - she should be helped. Helped up onto the platform, and the executioner should help her put the black burlap bag over head and then proceed to help her put noose around her neck.

BURN THE WITCH ON A STAKE!!!! thats horrible. poor baby....


-Zach :drinktoth

I do agree there is no punishment to fit her crime and people are going to be outraged with this incident how can you not be if you have a heart. I believe and this is just my opinion. Get her help, take the kids she has away and keep them safe. But find out what caused the break from what she must have known was right from wrong. If and only if there is no hope of fixing or correcting her problem then I do believe in sterilization of her. This is only after exhausting other treatment or if this is not acceptable then lock her in some where were she can not hurt another living soul. :rolleyes: