As of today 9 october 06,the US population is only 58,000 citizens away from having a population of 300 million.
Is it time to say,enough is enough,and close the door on immigration?
Is it time to review the reproductive habits of Americans?
Can the US economy sustain growth in parallel with population?
Is there sufficent reserves of essentials of life,water,shelter,health services?
Will the National Parks and Reservations come under pressure to relinquish land for development.

#300 million was probably born to an illegal mesikan just this side of the south Arizona border. By week's end that kid will have a bogus social security number, the mother will be eligible for food stamps, welfare, housing asistance and medicare, all thanks to a very generous social sytstem.

yeah unfortunatly birth control and family planning in terms of destroying the environment isn't addressed by any coutry but China and those crazy fucks kill them. Pretty sad that nothing sensible is being done.

yeah unfortunatly birth control and family planning in terms of destroying the environment isn't addressed by any coutry but China and those crazy fucks kill them.

That's because those are pretty much the choices. Either you give people freedom or you don't.

Well, I suppose you could set up some nice expensive program wherein you pay people to not have children.

But never fear, Europe is shrinking itself out of existance.

But never fear, Europe is shrinking itself out of existance.
Yeah, because they're not having kids needlessly.

You know, I wanna puke when I go to the grocery store and see some fat Mexican with 6 fucking kids all speaking Spanish, and here, I make roughly 60k a year, and I would never DREAM of fathering a child because it would be grossly irresponsible.

I'm really starting to HATE the fucking Mexicans. Socialist is a prime example.

and here, I make roughly 60k a year, and I would never DREAM of fathering a child because it would be grossly irresponsible.


Irresponsible because you couldn't afford it?

Yeah, because they're not having kids needlessly.

You know, I wanna puke when I go to the grocery store and see some fat Mexican with 6 fucking kids all speaking Spanish, and here, I make roughly 60k a year, and I would never DREAM of fathering a child because it would be grossly irresponsible.

I'm really starting to HATE the fucking Mexicans. Socialist is a prime example.
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More kids mean bigger monthly government checks.
Bigger home on subsidy, sized according to number of bedrooms needed for children.
More food stamps.
Thousands of dollars in earned income tax credits at the end of the year.
Free medical for the parents.

A friend of mine just had some people on subsidy move out of one of his rentals, Before they moved in it was completely remodeled. It is destroyed now. Must be remodeled again. He says never again if he can legally do it.

Irresponsible because you couldn't afford it?
Absolutely.

I have a 1,200 dollar mortgage, a 400 dollar a month car payment, 200 in utilities, 150 in groceries, 1000 in credit cards (each month), and 500 miscellaneous. That totals roughly 3,500 a month, and my take home is 3,600. What the hell business do I have bringing a child into the world?

Anyone who has any real responsibilities in life should know all too well that in order to have a kid, the household income should be (at a minimum) 120k a year. When my parents had me, they were ready. My dad made good money, and my mom stayed at home. I was never limited by anything. If I wanted to take golf lessons, I did. I took a trip to Europe when I was 16, and I got my pilots license at 18 (VFR), but unfortunately, I haven't kept it current. When I was a child, I had private tutors and a decent education. In my opinion, that's being a responsible parent, and right now - I couldn't be one.

Sounds like you had a great upbringing, Prae.
Your parents did a good job.

When we had our first kid, our net income after expenses ( we were renting at the time, but saving to buy) was probably even less than yours is now.
We scrimped and saved, clipped coupons, only went out to eat once a month, and rented movies. I haunted yard sales for hand me downs and we were wicked about turning off light bulbs and just generally penny pinching--a habit that's been useful to me all my life. We took no dime from anyone--too proud, and didn't want to be beholden to anyone.

This kid is now Magna Cum Laude at IU in Classical Studies besides having her own place, driving her own car, and holding down a full time job.

I looked at it this way--books and learning are still free.:)

Sounds like you had a great upbringing, Prae.
Your parents did a good job.
I'd like to think so, and thank you for the compliment. :)
This kid is now Magna Cum Laude at IU in Classical Studies besides having her own place, driving her own car, and holding down a full time job.
That's awesome, Ren. You should be proud of yourself (and, of course, of her too, but that goes without saying, doesn't it?)
I looked at it this way--books and learning are still free.:)
Very true, but if the kid lacks the opportunity to explore things because mom and dad couldn't afford it, then the kid loses out.

That's true, maybe she did miss out in not having riding or music lessons like some other kids, simply because we couldn't afford it.
And lord knows we sure didn't travel or vacation much except for random weekend trips to Chicago, Indy, or the lake.

It was tough; I'm not gonna say it wasn't. There were times it was dang hard...but I look back on those times as the best of my life. And I'd do it again.

PS. And if she wants riding lessons, she can pay for 'em herself, but that's just my Puritan penny pinching streak. My own parents were the same--world's biggest penny pinchers, or "tight" as some people say......

Jesus Prae,I think I'll stay in Ireland.

Anyone who has any real responsibilities in life should know all too well that in order to have a kid, the household income should be (at a minimum) 120k a year.
*chuckles ridiculously*
Is it time to say,enough is enough,and close the door on immigration?
No, there is nothing wrong with immigration. We should even increase the allowance of people to come here. Illegal immigration is another issue entirely.
Is it time to review the reproductive habits of Americans?
2.5 kids per family is good enough for me.
Can the US economy sustain growth in parallel with population?
Sure, it is the second most economically (1st being Singapore) free nation on the planet with influence all over the world.
Is there sufficent reserves of essentials of life,water,shelter,health services?
Will the National Parks and Reservations come under pressure to relinquish land for development.
America is a huge country with vast resources and space, you may find Ireland crowded at times, but we have plenty more at our fingertips to deal with the population.

Yea the US is a vast country but theres also vast areas you couldnt live in,especially in the south and west,were water is a major problem,just look at Las Vegas and Pheonix.I just wonder is it sustainable,and will the economy be able to keep up with it,our good friend Prae has just said above what millions of Americans are thinking,when growth starts to effect your life,you gotta ask why.

Absolutely.
Not trying to put a damper on how you were raised. That must have been wonderful for you. It's just having parents with money is not the end all and be all either. So don't put off kids until you can afford them or you might never do it. After your condo is paid off you will step it up a notch... and after your car is paid off you will want another.
My parents had me when they were older so they were fully established. But my dad got sick and so then we went from having lots to living in a very careful manner. It wasn't poverty by any means but I had my first part-time job by the time I was 15. It gave me a sense of what I could do for myself at a very young age. My parents were the best and if we had been living in abject poverty I still would rather have been with them than had money.

Just saying, don't put it off if you want them. You will find a way.

yeah unfortunatly birth control and family planning in terms of destroying the environment isn't addressed by any coutry but China and those crazy fucks kill them. Pretty sad that nothing sensible is being done.
Actually, the one child policy does not lead to mandatory abortions in China upon a second pregnancy. In urban areas where the government has influence over the people, state-owned businesses will educate their women on methods of birth control. If the couple decides they want a second child, an abortion is encouraged, but if they go through with it, they face fines upon the baby's birth, and may lose some benefits at work.

but I had my first part-time job by the time I was 15. It gave me a sense of what I could do for myself at a very young age. My parents were the best and if we had been living in abject poverty I still would rather have been with them than had money.



Well said, Sal, and it's a great feeling isn't it?
Such a grown up and responsible feeling--hey, I can earn my own money!

I recall asking Dad to buy me some tires for my car. At age 17, I still thought it was his responsiibility to pay my way for everything, while I spent my entire paycheck on clothes, jewelry, records, and junk.

I'll never forget Dad's response, it can not be repeated here, but translated it went, "You're working; buy your own @#$% tires."

Hehe, a hard lesson to learn but I learned it, and I'm glad. Taught me responsibility and how to mange money, and pay my own way.

Dad loved me enough to say "no."

Thanks, Dad.

When I was a kid here in Ireland things were very bad,my parents were poor,I was brought up decently,and you worked for what you wanted,there was no alternative,tho getting work was a job in itself.

That's because those are pretty much the choices. Either you give people freedom or you don't. Yeah cause its not like you could put out materials talking about how the world is already overcrowded and farmland is becoming more scarce or anything...that'd just make too much sense...

"Either cry to the heavens "Oh well" or force it at the barrel of a gun?" I thought you had some common sense lionel?

The Irish are tough, paul.
Make no mistake, when hard times come to this planet, really hard, you all will make out better than many others who're lazy and spoiled.

Rendova, descendant of Irish of County Cork.

Slan.

Rendova, descendant of Irish of County Cork.
Now you're scaring me.

I, too, have my Irish roots in County Cork. After the Mayflower coincidence, I'm starting to think that our ancestors may have very well known one another.

I knew there was a reason I liked you, cousin.

Madness I say, what a coincidence!

Not really, as millions of Americans trace their lineage to the Mayflower or Southern Ireland, the intermingling of that blood is hardly unbelievable.

I'll never forget Dad's response, it can not be repeated here, but translated it went, "You're working; buy your own @#$% tires."

Hehe, a hard lesson to learn but I learned it, and I'm glad. Taught me responsibility and how to mange money, and pay my own way.

Dad loved me enough to say "no."

Thanks, Dad.
THAT was funny. I think I (would have liked/would like your dad). I like a straight shooter. I am told I analyse too much, with people like that, ain't no need to... they let you know EXACTLY what they mean.

My partner was digging graves by the time he was 12...they didn't eat otherwise. Water beside their bed would have a glaze of ice on it by morning. He is the kindest, most generous, hard working man I have ever met. It'll make ya or break ya. That is what I love about our system too. For the most part, if you work, you thrive. :thumbs:

Well, it seems like we're making the same money.

I have a 1,200 dollar mortgage, Me too.

a 400 dollar a month car payment,

Got me beat there.

200 in utilities,

More in winter, less than that in the summer.


150 in groceries,

More here.

1000 in credit cards (each month)

Good God, there's your freakin' problem. And you're calling me irresponsible. :)

I was never limited by anything. If I wanted to take golf lessons, I did. I took a trip to Europe when I was 16, and I got my pilots license at 18 (VFR), but unfortunately, I haven't kept it current. When I was a child, I had private tutors and a decent education. In my opinion, that's being a responsible parent, and right now - I couldn't be one.

Suffice it to say my dad did pretty well for himself, but they didn't seem to be under the impression that I needed a trip to Europe and pilot training to raise me correctly. Not that I would have objected. :)

My second hungry mouth to feed is on its way.

Yeah cause its not like you could put out materials talking about how the world is already overcrowded and farmland is becoming more scarce or anything...that'd just make too much sense...

"Either cry to the heavens "Oh well" or force it at the barrel of a gun?" I thought you had some common sense lionel?

And to think you're accusing the Inuit of being emotional and reactionary. The world is not overcrowded. The only people starving are starving due to the greed or ineptitude of their governments. There's more than enough food.

If you gave each person in the world one square foot of room, the entire population of the world would fit in Jacksonville, Florida.

If you gave each person in the world one square foot of room, the entire population of the world would fit in Jacksonville, Florida.
Holy crap, that is wild when you put it that way!

Bit of trivia here: Jacksonville is the largest city in the US measured by square miles.

I'm really starting to HATE the fucking Mexicans.
I'm sure that when you finally get tired of hating Mexicans, you'll hate someone else, 'cause hate is probably in your blood. I see in your posts that you always hate somebody, maybe not by using the word "hate", but one can always find some of it.

"Don't worry, be happy"...

Madness I say, what a coincidence!

Not really, as millions of Americans trace their lineage to the Mayflower or Southern Ireland, the intermingling of that blood is hardly unbelievable.
Not just Southern Ireland Evak,10 Presidents of the United States were of Irish Decent,I think 6 of them were of Northern stock.
Clinton,Jackson,Polk,Buchanon,Grant,McKinley,Wilso n,Kennedy,Nixon and Reagan.

Well, it seems like we're making the same money.
I thought you made 100k a year....?
My second hungry mouth to feed is on its way.
That's awesome, Lionel. Congratulations! :)

Madness I say, what a coincidence!

Not really, as millions of Americans trace their lineage to the Mayflower or Southern Ireland, the intermingling of that blood is hardly unbelievable.
Thanks for your input.

Now you're scaring me.

I, too, have my Irish roots in County Cork. After the Mayflower coincidence, I'm starting to think that our ancestors may have very well known one another.
Yea,may even have been chained together on the boat eh.

Yes congratulations lionel.
thats 300mil+1.

One good day at the border and in the maternity wards in San Diego and Phoenix should fill in the missing 58,000 no problema.

I thought you made 100k a year....?

Umm, no.

Umm, no.
Hmm - I thought we had a conversation about this very thing roughly a year ago.

Oh, well - guess I was wrong.

Look at this way. In 50 years these will be the "Good Old Days". Just like 50 years ago, the 1900s were the good old days.

Look at this way. In 50 years these will be the "Good Old Days". Just like 50 years ago, the 1900s were the good old days.
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Yes, oldtimer, but us "good ol' boys" won't be here to see it.