if there is a god, my prayer will be answered.

i get in a shower. my wife gets in and we face each other, and another woman gets in and she faces my back. they get themselves and me all soapy, and they rub their bodies all over me.

then god exists, and any man who believes monogamy is natural is a liar.

You're a fucking retard, ain't ya? Monogamy had nothing to do with god and everything to do with faithfulness, devotion and love for your spouse.

You come off as a young immature punk who is clueless as to what true love is all about.

Here's me hoping you grow the fuck up soon.

Well, I find that monogamy is perfectly natural for me. My hat's off to anyone who can handle more than one woman at a time. I don't have anywhere near that much energy. ;)

funny how not believing in monogamy is "childish". i raise two kids, help pay bills, work around the house and land. and i don't confuse love and lust. it is childish to think you only want to have sex with only one person for the rest of your life. at least i am realistic.
doesn't mean i don't love my wife or take care of business. do not put your social and religious programming on me.

is there a bad girl out there? a real bad girl? i love bad girls. even MILF ones.

is there a bad girl out there? a real bad girl? i love bad girls. even MILF ones.

ROFL

if there is a god, my prayer will be answered.

i get in a shower. my wife gets in and we face each other, and another woman gets in and she faces my back. they get themselves and me all soapy, and they rub their bodies all over me.

then god exists, and any man who believes monogamy is natural is a liar.
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Quite a fantasy you have going there Ivan. The Christian Bible says to think it is the same as doing it, hope you enjoyed it.

I was able to get the majority of my fantasys out of the way before marriage.
Several threesomes with women was one of them.

Could be, that your wife is having fantasies about being in bed with several men :drinktoth , you may or may not be included. She may also be thinking that more than one husband would be nice. She may or may not share this fantasy with you. Then again, she may just wish that she did not even have one old, horney, bastard around the house. :thumbs:

if there is a god, my prayer will be answered.

i get in a shower. my wife gets in and we face each other, and another woman gets in and she faces my back. they get themselves and me all soapy, and they rub their bodies all over me.

then god exists, and any man who believes monogamy is natural is a liar.
The only thing that surprises me in this story is the "soap" part.

The only thing that surprises me in this story is the "soap" part. :lolhit:

funny how not believing in monogamy is "childish". i raise two kids, help pay bills, work around the house and land. and i don't confuse love and lust. it is childish to think you only want to have sex with only one person for the rest of your life. at least i am realistic.
doesn't mean i don't love my wife or take care of business. do not put your social and religious programming on me.


You're right to a degree when you say that it's "unrealistic" to expect males to be monogamous, because males are programmed biologically to want to "plant their seed" in as many females as possible, but there are also sociological pressures to consider as well. Tribes are usually much more peaceful when there are rules stating you can't take liberties with the other guy's woman. Whether or not those rules should be followed in our society is largely a matter of personal conscience, rather than a tribal neccessity.

You're a fucking retard, ain't ya?

Monogamy had nothing to do with god and everything to do with faithfulness, devotion and love for your spouse.

It would be nice if this were so, but monogamy is practiced for more pragmatic reasons.


You come off as a young immature punk who is clueless as to what true love is all about.

Bards, poets, and songwriters have been trying to figure out what true love is all about since the beginning of time. What defines true love for you?


Here's me hoping you grow the fuck up soon.

Considering the way you opened your post, I think perhaps you might take your own advice.

The only thing that surprises me in this story is the "soap" part.

hahahaha

it is childish to think you only want to have sex with only one person for the rest of your life. at least i am realistic.
doesn't mean i don't love my wife

Why did you even bother getting married then?

Considering the way you opened your post, I think perhaps you might take your own advice.

sorry boss. I was buzzed outta me head. Had a great night overall though, how about you?

sorry boss. I was buzzed outta me head. Had a great night overall though, how about you?

Ok here. So what does define true love for you Imp?

Why did you even bother getting married then?
As Ivan said, love and lust are two very different things. I'll put $1000 on the idea that damn near 99% of married men have thought about other women in a sexual way after getting married. As Vile said, it's a biological thing.

Probably the only reason that we don't have open relationships is jealousy and maybe fear of losing them as well. We (for the most part) can handle sharing our friends, but when we get intimate we suddenly decide that no one else can have them too.

Ivan... if you're trying to test God.. thats not how he works...

You can't stand over a cliff... fall off, and say "God.. if you are there you'd save me, if not you don't exist"...

Just to reference its well documented in the bible that you "shall not test God"...

besides.. that would be the easy way out...

ok, there is a god. it is called woman. and in some cases of her creation she did not leave it all up to a dna flip. she used intelligence to make them.

as in monogamy, i still don't believe it is natural. it is society and religion that shoves ideas down our throats that it is. we are taught to be jealous.

That fucking picture.....
God, Ivan - have you no standards?

ok, there is a god. it is called woman. and in some cases of her creation she did not leave it all up to a dna flip. she used intelligence to make them.

as in monogamy, i still don't believe it is natural. it is society and religion that shoves ideas down our throats that it is. we are taught to be jealous.
God ivan, your legs are kinda skinny for a guy...

As Ivan said, love and lust are two very different things. I'll put $1000 on the idea that damn near 99% of married men have thought about other women in a sexual way after getting married. As Vile said, it's a biological thing.

Love and lust are two different things, I agree with that. What I am saying is marriage is supposed to be a union of two, til death do they part, monogomy goes hand in hand with that. It's a comminment to one another.
If he (or any one else for that matter) wants to fuck anything that moves, I say go for it. My issue is when he's married and doing it. He should never have gotten married then. That simple.

And don't give me that biological bullshit about men thinking about gals when they are married, because women do the same. Thinking and doing are two seperate issues.

as in monogamy, i still don't believe it is natural. it is society and religion that shoves ideas down our throats that it is. we are taught to be jealous.
Why do you have a picture of a man as a submissive? Square jaw, with 5 oclock shadow and a man's ass. wtf?
or is that you all dressed up?
seriously.

If you don't believe in monogamy- being faithful to your spouse til death- then why even bother getting married? You could have stayed single and fucked around.

ahhh.... the christian mentality forced upon people through society. used in books, movies, etc.,etc.,etc. yawn......next.

ahhh.... the christian mentality forced upon people through society. used in books, movies, etc.,etc.,etc. yawn......next.
Now ivan, she kinda got ya with the why marry at all shit. I am curious too since if one believes monogamy is impossible why go there. Also, "christian mentality" implies a Christian service... did you go there?
I personally do not believe saying a few vows and placing a ring upon my finger necessarily means anything other than an emotional high for the moment. I have never done it for that reason. I am however 100% monogamous with my partner and I expect him to be too. Otherwise I or he would need to negotiate with for an open relationship which doesn't interest me at all. Hell I can barely handle one.

The only way I could see your way working would be by saying: I want to spend my life with you since we are sooooooooo emotionally, mentally, and spiritually connected. But I want to have sex with anything desirable which crosses my path. I can't quite wrap my head around that. So help me see how one can compartmentalize such a life.

ahhh.... the christian mentality forced upon people through society. used in books, movies, etc.,etc.,etc. yawn......next.
O pleease!
I've never been to a church and don't know much about their ways. If you looked, you'll see I've posted quite a few posts here looking for answers, thoughts or opinions about church, god, etc. So, it's very funny you would think I am forcing any kind of christian mentality your way.

It's glaringly obvious that you have no idea what marriage is all about, and may have entered into it unwisely. It's about loving that person unconditionally, putting no one above them. You can have awesome sex with the same person for the rest of your life, why do you think you can't?

You are coming off as an egotistic idiot who for some reason thinks he may look or feel important or special if you have another partner in your sex bed. Big whoopy. You ain't no fucking stud and no one special.
How about your gal? How do you think she feels about it? You wanting to go get your dick wet somewhere else. Bet she'll feel like nothing and worthless to you, if she told you the truth.

um, no, the christian ethic has infiltrated almost all "western" forms of thought and that includes marriage. there are cultures all over the world that do not believe, nor follow monogamy. there are some that actually encourage switching partners for a season. wanna know what? many of them are maternalistic socieities. so it isn't just the man's idea.

Ivan, this is less about religion and society than it is about YOU.
You want other girls besides your wife, and if you can rationalize it in such a way that you feel justified, then there will be less guilt and recrimination later. And if you feel validated somehow by posting your thoughts on this matter on the internet, then you'll sleep better at night later on.

Youre not the only one of course, so don't take it personal. My exboyfriend couldn't keep his dick in his pants either. The only think I respected about him was, he knew he was just a horndog and in the end he admitted it. But society (& his friends and family) didn't give him a free pass. His moron drunk friends did of course, but they are all cut from the same cloth. Immature horndogs.

You want a free pass to bone other women? Get it from your wifey. If she goes for it, then you are right where you want to be in life. But it doesn't sound to me like you are getting a free pass here on this website. Please leave faith and religion and 'rules of society' out of it please, and just admit whats really going on here. You want to rationalize your porn-star behavior, and you want validation from others. Good luck with that.

um, right. sure, ok.

I'm with ImmerEsson on this one, Ivan.
(And trust me, this is not a moral judgement.)

Back when I was into adulterous philandering, during my first miserable marriage, I looked to have my rationalized behavior validated wherever I could. Back then we didn't have the internet, so I looked to my fellow Army aviators for validation. Since most of them were hard drinking, womanizing, cock-strong characters to begin with, they considered my bravado and womanizing daring-do admirable. "Three-ways? Right on, brother!!" So I was happily validated.

Now that I am older and wiser, I find something in monogamy (and true love, and commitment) comforting and somehow, just right.
It works for me and my new missus, because we are best friends, and we have an enormous amount of passion for just each other. And there is a trust in there like I have never known in my life.

Oh well, I hope you find your 2 on 1 Nirvana someday, Ivan.
Just keep it in perspective, ok? This ain't about society, religion, or pop-morals, this is about you and getting what you want.

(ImmerEssen, good post lady.)
:thumbs:

I'm with Sparky and ImmerEssen. I would have no problems having sex only with one woman my whole life, if we loved each other. ::shrug::

I would have no problems having sex only with one woman my whole life, if we loved each other. ::shrug::Yes, well, one is a giant step up from none. :)

Yes, well, one is a giant step up from none. :)THAT was good, I almost choked on my wine.

I'm with Sparky and ImmerEssen. I would have no problems having sex only with one woman my whole life, if we loved each other. ::shrug::

What the fuck am I? Chopped liver? Do you not see my posts there?

hahahaha sedan. :lolhit:

Yes, well, one is a giant step up from none. :)
Ow. Ow. ;)

I think what is natural is the unfair but almost instinctual desire to force the partner to be monogamous while at the same time lust over many other men/women. Because this creates conflicts in interests, people will rarely be completely happy when married, nor will they be generally happy if monogamy is universally not required. In the first case our natural lust is restricted. In the second case we can no longer expect our partner to be monogamous. A happy relationship results more easily from the participants having non-conflicting desires. And we see that that is very difficult.

O pleease!
I've never been to a church and don't know much about their ways.

What kind of gal has never been to church?

I think what is natural is the unfair but almost instinctual desire to force the partner to be monogamous while at the same time lust over many other men/women. Because this creates conflicts in interests, people will rarely be completely happy when married, nor will they be generally happy if monogamy is universally not required. In the first case our natural lust is restricted. In the second case we can no longer expect our partner to be monogamous. A happy relationship results more easily from the participants having non-conflicting desires. And we see that that is very difficult.

I am sooo totally happy being married and monogamous. I've sowed my wild oats, so to speak, before I got married and although it may seem unnatural to stay faithful and commited to one person the rest of your life, the answer is simple.
If you can't return the faithfulness and commitment, then don't get married. Simply live in an open relationship, or bounce from one bed to another if acting on your lusts seems more natural to you.

But here's a question.

At what point do you think one should stop acting out on their lusts? Say one has a lust for little girls, or little boys, or ole defenseless women. Should they act out on their 'natural lust' or restrain themselves because it is wrong. I mean, if we are animals and should act out on our natural instincts, where should a line be drawn to seperate what should be right and what should be wrong? It would afterall just be considered our natural instints, right? So, how could that be wrong?

Ethics, morals and values are what stops the majority from acting out their various "natural" fetishes.

What kind of gal has never been to church?

Hi, Greg, welcome to allforums. :)

One that has never been made, forced, or had any need to go to one. My daddy was a post tramatic veitnam vet and my momma was a bartender, so I hung out in the barroom as a child while other kids parents forced them or dragged them to a church.
I consider myself one of the very lucky ones though. I've never had that 'religious' stuff poured down my throat and was able to come up with my own spiritual way without it.
Cheers~enjoy your stay.

Ethics, morals and values are what stops the majority from acting out their various "natural" fetishes.

Hummm.

Maybe those are the same things that help one become monogamous, also.

That's a reasonable expectation. One makes a comittment to remain faithful in word and deed to another when they wed. Not all marriages fail due to the philandering of one partner or the other.

Monogamy had nothing to do with god and everything to do with faithfulness, devotion and love for your spouse.
Now I do agree with that. I don't know what's the point of saying "if there is a god, my prayer will be answered" either. Is there even any religion that believes in a god that answers every prayer? If so it would immediately falsify itself by having a member pray for something unlikely to happen.

get married and walk down the street with your S.O. hand in hand and one of you see someone you'd love to shag. well, you already did it in your mind.


good one sedan.

Well, now that we have gone full circle;

Have you posed the question to your wife, and is she up for the threesome?
(And if you haven't asked yet, make sure you are very specific about the gender of the third person. Hate to see you get your salad tossed by your wife and some big bodybuilding guy named Serge.)
:eek:

What kind of gal has never been to church?
The kind that doesn't live in Kentucky.

Ow. Ow. ;)Sorry, Borg. I just couldn't resist. :flowers:

Well, now that we have gone full circle;

Have you posed the question to your wife, and is she up for the threesome?
:eek:
WHY? Are you volunteering........ juuuuuuuuuust kidding...:cool:

No ma'am.

Back in the day (before I found and married my soulmate), I fell into a couple of threesome situations.

Memorable experiences, true. But it wasn't really all it's cracked up to be.
(No pun intended.)
:rolleyes: