stars and bars = American flag
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stars%20and%20bars
And please do show the wide spread use of the confederate flag by black people proud of the south...
As I've already said, everything revolves around racism in poor black communities. Of course the Confederate flag appears racist to them. So does Arnold Schwarzenegger, President Bush, and Condoleezza Rice. I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it.

No Prae,the last three sound like assholes.

Here is just one example of the liberal media.

Mr. Free Thinker,

I challenge you to find one example of ABC, MSNBC, CBS, or CNN calling illegal immigration what it is. (illegal)
You will be very hard pressed to find it.

The Media has a severe liberal slant. So what if it is corprate owned. The people who work for them are liberals. (most of them are liberals)




I'd say it is more a case that the GOP will manage to retain control of both the House and the Senate if the mainstream, Corporate owned news media have anything to say about it.

I wouldnt be surprised if illegals work on CNN,very few of them have American accents.

Do you honestly think they believe that?
Yes.
Wow, that sure is a list. One that I, for the most part agree with. I don't get how this proves the Confederate flag is OK to be used though.
I was making a point. I see racism in the panther fist, as do most white people, but you don't see us running around yelling "racist" when we see some buck wearing a tee shirt with a clenched fist on it, do you? Maybe to some of them, the panther propaganda was symbolic of their pride, and then again, maybe to others it wasn't, but the point is we're not telling them they CAN'T wear those tee shirts because WE see racism there. The state of Alabama and Georgia have a long history with regards to the Confederate flag, and most of that history revolves around something bigger than racism. If racism is all black people choose to see (and some white people, for that matter) when they look at it, then that's their problem, not the South's.

I'm not questioning your premise, I was just curious as to how you picked those three as the "biggest media moguls."

You're correct that I didn't offer any proof these guys are indeed the leaders but IMHO, from what I have seen, read and heard, this group is the most influencial in the world when it comes to U.S. media and political leverage.

Whoops...I meant the Stars and Bars is what they should be flying. Not the Confederate Battle Flag (which violates the confederate flag code; nothing like honoring something by breaking the guidelines it followed...) Or they should be flying the 'third national flag' if they are suppossedly proud of being southern.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars_and_Bars#First_National_Flag.2C_.22The_Stars _and_Bars.22

Like the flags,I see Mississipi dosent hide its past away.All this the day after the 44th anniversary of James H Meredith going to school,how the times a change.

That was an interesting read on Wikipedia. Thanks, 500.

Yes.
LOL!!

I was making a point. I see racism in the panther fist, as do most white people, but you don't see us running around yelling "racist" when we see some buck wearing a tee shirt with a clenched fist on it, do you? Maybe to some of them, the panther propaganda was symbolic of their pride, and then again, maybe to others it wasn't, but the point is we're not telling them they CAN'T wear those tee shirts because WE see racism there. The state of Alabama and Georgia have a long history with regards to the Confederate flag, and most of that history revolves around something bigger than racism. If racism is all black people choose to see (and some white people, for that matter) when they look at it, then that's their problem, not the South's.
1. There is racism against whites. However, you don't see this racism being flown on federal courthouses.
2. The Swastika is a symbol that was used in Asia and many other regions around the world. However, when you see it in today's society what do you think of?
3. The same goes for the Confederate Flag. In today's society, with what happened in the 60's, it represents a clear symbol of racism.

http://www.georgetown.u47.k12.me.us/grade6.01/kv/T790871A.JPG

Mr. Free Thinker,

I challenge you to find one example of ABC, MSNBC, CBS, or CNN calling illegal immigration what it is. (illegal)
You will be very hard pressed to find it.

I found around 50 for starters.

Here are a few of them

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-0&fp=4521bbf10adc3a8d&ei=t8shRYqQBqTQoALWqtDKBw&url=http%3A//www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/29/fence.congress.ap/&cid=0

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/1-0&fp=4521bbf10adc3a8d&ei=t8shRYqQBqTQoALWqtDKBw&url=http%3A//www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/25/navarrette/&cid=0

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/2-0&fp=4521bbf10adc3a8d&ei=t8shRYqQBqTQoALWqtDKBw&url=http%3A//www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/30/congress.security.ap/&cid=1109816079

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/3-0&fp=4521bbf10adc3a8d&ei=t8shRYqQBqTQoALWqtDKBw&url=http%3A//www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/20/border.fence.ap/&cid=0

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/4-0&fp=4521bbf10adc3a8d&ei=t8shRYqQBqTQoALWqtDKBw&url=http%3A//www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/08/immigration.ap/&cid=0

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/5-0&fp=4521bbf10adc3a8d&ei=t8shRYqQBqTQoALWqtDKBw&url=http%3A//www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/05/dobbs.September6/&cid=0

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-0&fp=4521a62b026ec427&ei=nMwhRe20I4KuoQLN8ZjGBw&url=http%3A//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14926284/&cid=0

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/3-0&fp=4521a62b026ec427&ei=nMwhRe20I4KuoQLN8ZjGBw&url=http%3A//msnbc.msn.com/id/15062039/&cid=1109853392

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/5-0&fp=4521a62b026ec427&ei=nMwhRe20I4KuoQLN8ZjGBw&url=http%3A//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14813924/&cid=0

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/6-0&fp=4521a62b026ec427&ei=nMwhRe20I4KuoQLN8ZjGBw&url=http%3A//msnbc.msn.com/id/14623849/&cid=0

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/9-0&fp=4521a62b026ec427&ei=nMwhRe20I4KuoQLN8ZjGBw&url=http%3A//msnbc.msn.com/id/14839608/&cid=0

The Media has a severe liberal slant. So what if it is corporate owned. The people who work for them are liberals. (most of them are liberals)

Notice the words **work for them** in the above comment.

Who ---in the Media-- do you think chooses the final content that the American viewers see; the workers, or the owners??

As per the link provided by 500lb, the confederate battle flag is NOT part of the Georgia flag (since 2001).

As I understand it, the 1956 flag was adopted due to segregationalist sentiment in the Georgia House of Representatives. Therefore it was initiated as a racist statement.

There is a large amount of pride (sometimes misplaced... i.e. the "old flag") in the South. I'm sure all areas of the world hold onto a cultural/local pride... and if they do not, I feel somewhat sorry for them.

Paraphrasing the words of the late Lewis Grizzard... "I'm Georgia born and Georgia bred, and when I die, I'll be by-God Georgia dead"

:drinktoth

Being born and bred in the great state of Georgia I grew up with the Confederate flag honoring our dead that fought in the Civil War.
I hate to disappoint anyone, but blacks were never discussed around me in all those years when the flag came up. Some people put too much importance upon themselves.
I do not give a damn who it offends. It is part of the history of Georgia.
If it offends someone it is because of a problem between their ears.

Good point, DanF.

The same people who are offended by the confederate flag would also likely be offended by the 'cultural and racial stereotyping' going on in professional & collegiate sports.
"Oh my gosh, that team is called the Washington Redskins. And look at the Cleveland Indians. And the Florida State Seminoles. How offensive that must be to our Native American brothers and sisters!! Somebody should file a lawsuit to get them to change their team names!"

Some people are just easily offended.
And those with really good lawyers have made a career of being easily offended.

LOL!!


1. There is racism against whites. However, you don't see this racism being flown on federal courthouses.
2. The Swastika is a symbol that was used in Asia and many other regions around the world. However, when you see it in today's society what do you think of?
3. The same goes for the Confederate Flag. In today's society, with what happened in the 60's, it represents a clear symbol of racism.

http://www.georgetown.u47.k12.me.us/grade6.01/kv/T790871A.JPG
Halloween comes early to Mississipi.

Halloween comes early to Mississipi.


Don't shortchange the Great State of Mississippi (http://www.mississippi.gov/index.jsp), bubba. Give them their second P!

I wanna know who their waving bye bye to.

Don't forget about the Atlanta Braves! (Yes Yes the Braves have nothing to be proud of this year)


Good point, DanF.

The same people who are offended by the confederate flag would also likely be offended by the 'cultural and racial stereotyping' going on in professional & collegiate sports.
"Oh my gosh, that team is called the Washington Redskins. And look at the Cleveland Indians. And the Florida State Seminoles. How offensive that must be to our Native American brothers and sisters!! Somebody should file a lawsuit to get them to change their team names!"

Some people are just easily offended.
And those with really good lawyers have made a career of being easily offended.

The same people who are offended by the confederate flag would also likely be offended by the 'cultural and racial stereotyping' going on in professional & collegiate sports.

Not in my case.

I abhor the continued flying (atop various Statehouses in this land) of the penultimate symbol of white's dominance over blacks, yet I am 100% against forcing sports team --like the Redskins or the Braves-- to change their names. It's silly. The word *Braves* should not be offensive to anyone.

The Confederate flag, OTOH, might as well be a huge white rectangle with the words --"Fuck all you niggers...we Whites are still better'n you!" -- emblazoned on it.

1. There is racism against whites. However, you don't see this racism being flown on federal courthouses.
I don't see racism being flown on federal courthouses. I see an old state flag being flown on federal property. You see racism, not me, or, for that matter, the majority of the south. It's your issue, and my advice is that deal with it.
2. The Swastika is a symbol that was used in Asia and many other regions around the world. However, when you see it in today's society what do you think of?
That I'm surrounded by a bunch of low rent, low-IQ, wannabes. I see the same thing at Klan rallies, but that's hardly the point. Getting back to your question, there was nothing noble in what the Third Reich did, and however wrong-minded the south was in the 1860's, there WAS nobility in their efforts. Whether or not you care to view it that way is your choice. I suggest you pick up a US history book some time and give it a gander; it might change your perspective.
3. The same goes for the Confederate Flag. In today's society, with what happened in the 60's, it represents a clear symbol of racism.
Says you.

The Confederate flag, OTOH, might as well be a huge white rectangle with the words --"Fuck all you niggers...we Whites are still better'n you!" -- emblazoned on it.
Why doesn't that surprise me...

Why not,most good old southern boys couldnt read it anyway.

That I'm surrounded by a bunch of low rent, low-IQ, wannabes. I see the same thing at Klan rallies
Do you attend these Klan rallies often?
Getting back to your question, there was nothing noble in what the Third Reich did
That's rather subjective. Ask a Neo-Nazi and they'd be bound to disagree.
and however wrong-minded the south was in the 1860's, there WAS nobility in their efforts.
That's rather subjective as well.

The Confederate States of America was formed under the auspices of "States' Rights." Whether they had the Constitutional right to secede from the Union is still being debated today, and was the major grounds for the war, but that doesn't change the fact that the prime motivation for seceding was to protect the "peculiar institution", IOW, slavery.

If you see nobility in that cause, few can help you. However, if you don't see racism in the Confederate flag, you can be helped by a history book.

I don't see racism being flown on federal courthouses. I see an old state flag being flown on federal property. You see racism, not me, or, for that matter, the majority of the south. It's your issue, and my advice is that deal with it.
Let's just say that the flag does not represent racism. What does it represent? Treason? And that's OK with you? I mean, that flag was going to be the flag of a new country that fought against the United States to become its own country. If anything it is scary to think people this day in age would want to wave a flag that represents the South trying to break away from the United States. Some may even call that a symbol of treason. But regardless of this, I see racism. In the 60's they flew that flag when we were trying to put blacks into white schools. That flag is a clear sign of racism in today's society.

That I'm surrounded by a bunch of low rent, low-IQ, wannabes. I see the same thing at Klan rallies, but that's hardly the point. Getting back to your question, there was nothing noble in what the Third Reich did, and however wrong-minded the south was in the 1860's, there WAS nobility in their efforts. Whether or not you care to view it that way is your choice. I suggest you pick up a US history book some time and give it a gander; it might change your perspective.
Jim Crow laws sure are something to be proud of, right? Anyway, regardless of how smart the KKK is, they still use that flag. As do many other racist groups. This flag is nothing short of another way to suggest and or promote racism. And if you refuse to see this, then you are blind.

Symbols can start out representing good things. The Swastika use to represent many good things, until the Nazis took it and trashed its original message. Just like the Confederate Flag. What may have started out as a good symbol (and I use the word "may", because I don't think it ever represented a good reason) has now turned into a hateful one without a doubt since the KKK and other hate groups have used, abused and trashed the original message it "once" stood for.

The 3 biggest media moguls in the entire world are Ailes, Murdoch and Walsh ... all are avid neocon-style conservatives and major contributors to the republican agenda.Is that the same Rupert Murdoch who gave a half million to Bill Clinton's organization and held a thousand dollar a plate fundraiser for Hillary last July?

And define "mogul" in Ailes' case.

however wrong-minded the south was in the 1860's, there WAS nobility in their efforts.

?!?

"nobility".................?

Could you explain what so-called "nobility" there was in that inhuman, insane, barbaric conflict?

Let's just say that the flag does not represent racism. What does it represent? Treason? And that's OK with you? I mean, that flag was going to be the flag of a new country that fought against the United States to become its own country. If anything it is scary to think people this day in age would want to wave a flag that represents the South trying to break away from the United States. Some may even call that a symbol of treason.
I was the one who brought that up to you in the first place. Why would it be "OK" with me?
But regardless of this, I see racism. In the 60's they flew that flag when we were trying to put blacks into white schools. That flag is a clear sign of racism in today's society.
I would agree that it's used that way nowadays by a select group of fools, but that wasn't the flag's original goal or intention.
Jim Crow laws sure are something to be proud of, right?
I never said that, and that's not what the Confederate flag represents. Nice straw man though...
Anyway, regardless of how smart the KKK is, they still use that flag. As do many other racist groups. This flag is nothing short of another way to suggest and or promote racism. And if you refuse to see this, then you are blind.
Okay. You're right - I'm blind. And so is the majority of the people in the south of our nation, I guess.

Does anybody know.What would happen if a state of the union wanted to leave,Ive read that California would be the 7th richest country in the world,would the USA go yo war with it?

?!?

"nobility".................?

Could you explain what so-called "nobility" there was in that inhuman, insane, barbaric conflict?
Good.

At least you're on the right track. There was demonstrated nobility on both sides of the conflict, and if you choose not to see it that way, then that's your choice. That aside, are you aware that it unified our nation, are you not?

Oh, that's right...

It unified the most "evil, horrible, and monstrous" nation that ever existed. Of course the war was "inhuman, insane, and barbaric"...:rolleyes:

Does anybody know.What would happen if a state of the union wanted to leave,Ive read that California would be the 7th richest country in the world,would the USA go yo war with it?
There's only one state that can secede from the nation: Texas, but not fully. It's actually kind of confusing, and has found itself subject to a lot of debate, and I'm not totally clear on it, but Texas (because of the Alamo) reserves some right (with provisions, of course) to secede from the nation.

apart from their oil,yad hardly miss em.

The confederate flag was the flag of the south, which seperated from the north over the issue of slavery. The south wanted to keep their slaves since abolishing slavery would have brought economic disaster for them.

Just to clarify, the Confederate was established because of it's opposition to ending slavery.

Slavery in itself is not racist, there can be slaves of any race. With the US however, slavery was based on race. The white owners, for the most part, viewed their slaves as inferior beings, thus meaning that they were racist.

So, we can conclude that US slavery was racist, and that the Confederate flag was established for the continuation of slavery. It may stand for other things as well now, but the origin of the flag was based on racism.

Ive read that some of the worst offenders of this were Irish Americans

Does anybody know.What would happen if a state of the union wanted to leave,Ive read that California would be the 7th richest country in the world,would the USA go yo war with it?

As big an economy as we Californians have, we would be totally annihilated in any battle. SF is made up of so many peaceniks and the other half (southern half) of California doesn't even speak english. We could probably take on the mounties, but that isn't saying much.

would the USA go yo war with it?

Nah - good riddance.

Some free black people owned slaves.

Slavery is wrong, it is a very good thing the North won that war.




The confederate flag was the flag of the south, which seperated from the north over the issue of slavery. The south wanted to keep their slaves since abolishing slavery would have brought economic disaster for them.

Just to clarify, the Confederate was established because of it's opposition to ending slavery.

Slavery in itself is not racist, there can be slaves of any race. With the US however, slavery was based on race. The white owners, for the most part, viewed their slaves as inferior beings, thus meaning that they were racist.

So, we can conclude that US slavery was racist, and that the Confederate flag was established for the continuation of slavery. It may stand for other things as well now, but the origin of the flag was based on racism.

I was the one who brought that up to you in the first place. Why would it be "OK" with me?
If it isn't "OK" with you then why do you support the use of this flag?

I would agree that it's used that way nowadays by a select group of fools, but that wasn't the flag's original goal or intention.
1. The way it is used "nowadays" is all that matters.
2. The original goal was to commit treason against the United States and be allowed to keep slavery legal, as well as other things.

I never said that, and that's not what the Confederate flag represents. Nice straw man though...
Ummm, the South used that flag when we were trying to put blacks into white schools. Remember the University of Georgia?