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More info goto http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

War on terror is a scam!!

"In January of 2003 FBI and CIA whistleblowers told Capitol Hill Blue that the White House was scripting phony terror alerts to maintain hysteria, upkeep President Bushs approval ratings and milk extra defense funding. The report that five Pakistani men had entered the States via Canada and were planning on carrying out a dirty bomb or biological attack was completely conjured up by the Bush administrations black propaganda office. New York Harbor was shut down to visibly pump up the fear. One of the named suspects, Mohammed Asghar (pictured left), was tracked down to Pakistan by the Associated Press. He was a fat guy running a jewellers shop and had never even been to America.


http://infowars.com/articles/sept11/red_alert_for_staged_terror_attack.htm

I am going to give reasons proving The U.S. Govt did it, how they did it, and at the end I am going to give reasons why they did it.

1. Operation Northwoods, "N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.":
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&pa...id=92662&page=1

2. Alex Jones Predicts Attack (Mentioned on FOX news): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8116395518760933323&q=alex+jones+predicts+attack&hl=en

3. God Help Us: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2024198565295094630&q=alex+jones+a+call+to+action&hl=en

4. At least 4 hijackers turned up alive, but i heard as many as 9

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

5. The melting Point of Steel is 3000F and Fire is around 500-700F with burning Jet fuel around 1200-1400F. Skeptics have claimed, Steel doesnt Have to melt, but only weaken to collpase, This May be true, HOWEVER, It would not make a 1/4 Mile High Skyscraper, Collapse in 9-10 Seconds.

6. An increase of 400% increase in put options on 9-6-01 and 9-7-01 on serveral airline stocks. An increase of 1100% Increase an in increase of put options on airline stocks on 9-10-01

7. FBI confinscated tapes at a nearby hotel and gas station minutes after the "plane" hit the pentagon.

8. Debris from the building was taken and illegally sold to china before anybody could really investigate.

9. If you watch the video of the towers coming down, You can notice bombs going off in the building.

10. Larry Silverstein Admitted blowing up WTC7 On a PBS Documentary. Skeptics Have Claimed He meant He was Pulling the Firefighters From the Building. Thats Funny, I thought When you call a person or persons "him" "them" or "em" not "it". Meanwhile The firefighters Were already Pulled from the Building 7 Houes before it Collpased. Skeptics Have Claimed, Well Maybe he did hit the Dynamite, But It takes severals weeks for them to carefully place explosives in a building. Call any Demolition Company.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7750532340306101329&q=larry+silverstein+pull+it&hl=en

11. Larry Silverstein got High Insurance on WTC7 Including terrosm insurance.

12. 6 Months Before 9/11 They passed laws saying No pilots can carry guns, when pilots were allowed to carry guns for 40 years. (I am not sure this is 100% Accurate, I need to look into this more. Please Let me know if you find anything.)

13. As Charlie Sheen said, How can a plane make a 270 degree turn and drop 7000 feet in attitude in less then 2 minutes?

14. I heard it is impossible for cell phones to work on planes moving at 500mph and at 30000 Feet.

15. The "hijackers" said the wrong islamic message when approaching death. Who was

16. Survivors and Eye witnesses Reporting seeing, hearing explosions.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2032865563019209801&q=9+11+FIREFIGHTERS&hl=en Laugh at the Firefighters!!

17. Thermite was found at the scene. BYU Professor Steve E. Jones Have tested Postive some substance for Thermite, It was later Proven to cut the Main Pillars in the World Trade Center. It was the yellow goowy substance Dripping From the towers as CNN, FOX, Etc reported on 9/11/01.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635198488,00.html

18. Janitor was offered Millions of dallors to shut up and he refused, or so he said. See Video #6

19. Science Says Buildings Collasping CAN NOT fall at the speed of gravity unless Dynimite.

20. In the New American Century Dick Cheney Said We need a new Pearl Harbor. "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

21. Less then 15 Million Was spend Investigating 9-11 and more then 45 Million on Clintons Sex Life. (Appox)

22. How can a 757 That is 129' Wide Make a 16' Hole?

23. Between Both Engines on Flight 77 Or a 757, Its combined weight is 10-12 Tons. It is made of Steel And Titnium. Its melting Point is around 2600F. The Fire didnt get anywhre near that tempurature at the Pentagon. Yet No Engines Were Found.

24. You think fire can cause this?:

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20060820.htm

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/13/more_bone_fragments_found_near_wtc_site/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+News

25. Bush say the First Plane hit the First Tower! LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F6kouXg40Q&mode=related&search

26. Jimmy Walter Is offering $100,000 To Anybody Who can Prove 9/11 Was NOT An Inside Job. Even PM Couldnt Stand Up.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41957

For more evidence watch these films:

1. http://www.loosechange911.com

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=loose+change&hl=en

2. 9/11 The Greatest Lie ever sold: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6952102263921897950&q=9%2F11+THE+GREATEST+LIE+EVER+SOLD&hl=en

3. 9/11 the Road to Tyranny: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6517776133137328105&q=9%2F11+the+Road+to+Tyranny&hl=en

4. Masters of Terror: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7752483415674202196&q=MASTERS+OF+TERROR

5. Martial Law: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661&q=MARTIAL+LAW+RISE+OF+POLICE+STATE

6. C-SPAN conference: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5004704309041471296&q=AMERICAN+C+SPAN

7. TerrorStorm: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947&q=terrorstorm&hl=en



Now I am going to give you why they did it, then i will share some links.

1. Patriot act

2. Patriot act 2

3. Eliminate the Consitution

4. Bring forth the NWO

5. Bankrupt the USA to bring forth a NWO

6. Scare americans to give up there right in exchange for "security" when you will just get tyranny and a police state.

7. Justify an Iraq War.

8. Bring forth a Real ID Act, which was passed on 5-11-05, and then the "mark of the beast"

9. To Pretty Much Allow Bush to do anything He wants. Look at this:

http://mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=504353

Now if you want links goto http://www.911blogger.com/ and check that out and there are 50 links on the right hand side.

Also check out http://www.infowars.com http://prisonplanet.com http://www.jonesreport.com

Last But not Least:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/911%20Cover-up/truth_about_911.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

Hitler Once Said, The Bigger the Lie, The easier it is Believed.

Thank You for reading, We must fight this and expose this and resist The New World Order, and Resist the cashless society.

I dont doubt anything!!!

I have seen enough online evidence to @ least tell me it DID NOT HAPPEN as they say it did.....

This is old news that nearly everyone already knows, but thanks for posting -- especially the links.

Sleepy, I honestly don't know why I'm bothering but here goes.
The way that building collapsed did look like a controlled demolition, anyone can see that. But that doesn't make it so. The firemen commenting on it never actually said they thougt it actually was a controlled demolition, they just commented on the appearance like everyone else.

When a thousands of tons floor fall on top of another it will, of course, sound like explosions. Witnesses said it sounded like that all the way to the bottom. Does that mean there were charges placed on every floor?

In order to take down a typical building, a team of demolition experts takes about six weeks to plant the charges, saw through and compromise I-beams and girders, run miles of wires to connect the charges, etc.
How could any of this have been done without public notice. A building this size would have taken months and months.
AND, the support beams on the WTC were actually on the OUTSIDE of the building. Don't you think someone would been suspicious seeing men cut through beams and plant charges over a several month period?

"This post may not last", because The Government will shut it down?

sleepy2k16,
I am being totally honest and completely objective when I say this:
These theories and speculations are beyond moronic.

Give it a rest, ok?
Go find a new fad to hitch your star to.
Ballroom dancing, maybe. Or cross-stitch.
Extreme motocross is a healthy, outdoor pursuit.
Give that a try.

But seriously.
Leave sedition for the professionals.
:hahanot:

sleepy2k16,
I am being totally honest and completely objective when I say this:
These theories and speculations are beyond moronic.


I am being totally honest when I say that you don't seem to have any refutation for many of the points sleepy raises.

Many professional pilots have gone on record saying that they doubted that could have pulled off the manuevers that the airliners did before hitting the buildings......yet we are to believe that people who had only the most minimal of training in flying a huge jetliner pulled off those manuevers.

Video proves --and this point is NOT being disputed by ANYONE-- that when the buildings fell they both fell at a speed closely approaching that of a rock falling in free space.........iow, they came down at the speed of gravity........according to structural experts, a building collapsing from "pancaking" where each successive floor causes the floor below it to collapse, does not fall at such a speed.........also, there is indisputable video evidence showing windows 8 or 10 floors below the point where the building was collapsing being blown out violently, looking exactly as it there were explosions occuring.

What of the massive increase (increases of up to 1100%) in put options??........does it seem reasonable to you that in one the most monumental events in history, that there would be little or no investigation by the government into who exactly paced those puts and who stood to benefit....?!?

Sleepy, you've got to stop giving credit to the US government. I've told you ... it's the Omega Society. Bush is but a tool.
If you keep these stories up, the Omega Society may begin to perceive you as a threat to their existence. That may mean you'll discover the real secrets of Area 51

FT,

I'm being a friend when I say this;
Stop.
You are embarrassing yourself.

Exercising your constitutional right to free speech is one thing.
Articulating your anti-war, anti-Bush sentiments is another, and I applaud you for doing so in such a demonstrably reasonable and articulate manner.

But resorting to jumping on the bandwagon of such conspiracy-theory kookery, just because it seems like 'it ought to be true, and therefore it must'?

Really. This is beneath you.
Stop.

Some liberals will sy anything to dis-credit Bush.



I am being totally honest when I say that you don't seem to have any refutation for many of the points sleepy raises.

Many professional pilots have gone on record saying that they doubted that could have pulled off the manuevers that the airliners did before hitting the buildings......yet we are to believe that people who had only the most minimal of training in flying a huge jetliner pulled off those manuevers.

Video proves --and this point is NOT being disputed by ANYONE-- that when the buildings fell they both fell at a speed closely approaching that of a rock falling in free space.........iow, they came down at the speed of gravity........according to structural experts, a building collapsing from "pancaking" where each successive floor causes the floor below it to collapse, does not fall at such a speed.........also, there is indisputable video evidence showing windows 8 or 10 floors below the point where the building was collapsing being blown out violently, looking exactly as it there were explosions occuring.

What of the massive increase (increases of up to 1100%) in put options??........does it seem reasonable to you that in one the most monumental events in history, that there would be little or no investigation by the government into who exactly paced those puts and who stood to benefit....?!?

FT,

I'm being a friend when I say this;
Stop.
You are embarrassing yourself.

Exercising your constitutional right to free speech is one thing.
Articulating your anti-war, anti-Bush sentiments is another, ...
Stop.

How about explaining, in detail, just where it is written that free speech is limited to a certain agenda and in particular, how you meld anti-war speech with embarrassment.

Free speech is not limited to any one agenda, sir.
You know that all too well.

And anti-war speech does not equal embarassment.
But conspiracy-theory kookery does equal embarassment, if you have any concern whatsoever with the credibility of your cause.

The US Government engineered and executed the 911 attacks??
Jesus Christ, that is beyond stupid.
I work for the US Government. You can't plan or execute a plan to go to the bathroom without several dozen people complaining about the gender-dynamics of the bathroom, several dozen more filing a sexual harassment greviance over the very notion that a man needs to go to the bathroom, and at least a half dozen going to the union to request some sort of compensation for past-misdeed associated with said bathroom.

In other words, the very notion is beyond stupid.
And I say that with all due US Government authority.
:mad:

The US Government engineered and executed the 911 attacks??
Jesus Christ, that is beyond stupid.
I work for the US Government. You can't plan or execute a plan to go to the bathroom without several dozen people complaining about the gender-dynamics of the bathroom, several dozen more filing a sexual harassment greviance over the very notion that a man needs to go to the bathroom, and at least a half dozen going to the union to request some sort of compensation for past-misdeed associated with said bathroom.

In other words, the very notion is beyond stupid.
And I say that with all due US Government authority.
:mad:
Hear hear.

The entire notion is absolutely ridiculous. Hold on, wait. I'll disprove it even more eloquently than Sparky and Brooks just did.

The fact that those saying 9/11 was an "inside job" are still alive proves that it was not an inside job. (Due credit to Maddox on this one.)

Why? Well, obviously, if the U.S. Government has no qualms about killing thousands in detonating a building, and could pull it off with only a bunch of lunatic morons realizing the truth, as it were, then that same government would think absolutely nothing of assassinating those who realize the truth, as it were.

I won't give this any more time; others have done so for me. Read http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons and the links provided at the bottom for more info. Educate yourself, you lunatic.

FT,

I'm being a friend when I say this;
Stop.
You are embarrassing yourself.

Exercising your constitutional right to free speech is one thing.
Articulating your anti-war, anti-Bush sentiments is another, and I applaud you for doing so in such a demonstrably reasonable and articulate manner.

But resorting to jumping on the bandwagon of such conspiracy-theory kookery, just because it seems like 'it ought to be true, and therefore it must'?

Really. This is beneath you.
Stop.


Why not just stop posing and instead address the points that have been brought up?

Simply sticking your head into the sand and screeching -- "Aw, it's all just silly conspiracy junk!" -- is not a very persuasive refutation.

I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone.
But, this one stinks.
Nuf said.

I like the conspiracy theory better about Iran getting nuclear weapons and dominating the never-to-develope countries of the Middle East better.

Some liberals will say anything to dis-credit Bush.


Why don't you try to address the points that have been brought up?

Kriminy. Where do I start?

Freethinker, do you cringe at your brother's gross misspellings and grammatical errors, or is that just me?

sleepy2k16, here's how you might proceed next time;
Compose your text (or cut and paste, as I suspect is the case here) in a Word document. Run a thorough spell-check on it. Then and only then cut and paste your finished document into the web-forum 'reply to thread' box. Otherwise you run the risk of sounding like a complete and utter moron the next time you post. On top of being a conspiracy-kook.

*sigh* Point for point?

“At least 4 hijackers turned up alive, but i heard as many as 7?”
You heard? That’s good enough for me, I reckon.

”The melting Point of Steel is 3000F and Fire is around 500-700F with burning Jet fuel around 1200-1400F?”
Wrong, wrong, beyond the valley of the shadow of wrong.

” Debris from the building was taken and illegally sold to china before anybody could really investigate.”
*sigh* Those darn Chinese debris merchants. Always up to their Chinese debris-marketing shenanigans.

” 6 Months Before 9/11 They passed laws saying No pilots can carry guns, when pilots were allowed to carry guns for 40 years.”
Wrong, wrong, beyond all reason. I am a pilot with a current FAA ticket.
Wrong. Again, wrong.

” As Charlie Sheen said, How can a plane make a 270 degree turn and drop 7000 feet in attitude in less then 2 minutes?”
I am a pilot, Charlie Sheen is not.
Shut up, son of Martin Sheen.

” I heard it is impossible for cell phones to work on planes moving at 500mph and at 30000 Feet.”
Yikes. You heard that too? Whoowee.
That proves that everyone who spoke to their loved ones from Flight 93 on their cell phones were unwitting tools of the alien government conspiracy too.

” The "hijackers" said the wrong islamic message when approaching death.”
There’s a better Islamic message than, “Allah O Achbar”?

”Janitor was offered Millions of dallors to shut up and he refused, or so he said.”
Bullshit. Beyond bullshit. Are you serious here?

” Science Says Buildings Collasping CAN NOT fall at the speed of gravity unless Dynimite.”
Where do I start?

I’m supposed to dignify this moronic chickenshit with some sort of scientific and coherent response?

I think not.
Freethinker, you are better than this.
Please be more selective when choosing to ally yourself with just any run of the mill anti-Bush, anti-US Government kook next time.
Good God.
Have some pride, man.

Take a good look at the point above this one. I don't need to waste my time.


Why don't you try to address the points that have been brought up?

Freethinker, do you cringe at your brother's gross misspellings and grammatical errors, or is that just me?

No, what really makes me cringe is when people make childish allegation such as if one person, person C, lets say, urges person B to respond to points raised by person A, that person C and person A must be considered "brothers".

Please be more selective when choosing to ally yourself with just any run of the mill anti-Bush, anti-US Government kook next time.


I agree with you that some of sleepy's points are easily explained/refuted.

But I think several of his points are difficult to refute.

3 examples follow;

Many professional pilots have gone on record saying that they doubted that could have pulled off the manuevers that the airliners did before hitting the buildings......yet we are to believe that people who had only the most minimal of training in flying a huge jetliner pulled off those manuevers.

Video proves that when the buildings fell they both fell at a speed closely approaching that of a rock falling in free space.........iow, they came down at the speed of gravity. There is also video evidence showing windows 8 or 10 floors below the point where the building was collapsing being blown out violently, looking exactly as it there were explosions occuring.

What of the massive increase (increases of up to 1100%) in put options?........does it seem reasonable to you that in one the most monumental events in history, that there would be little or no investigation by the government into who exactly paced those puts and who stood to benefit?

(note; ""In the days before 9/11, unknown traders bought unusually high "put options" in the stock of United Airlines, American Airlines, and the WTC tenants and reinsurers. This meant that the traders expected the prices of these equities to plunge in the short term. The volumes of the purchases may have activated a known CIA real-time tracing program designed to discover suspicious trades (PROMIS). The FBI later claimed it had determined the identities of the traders in the U.S., but says they are in the clear and declines to name them. Many of the known trades were transacted through A.B. Brown. The chairman of that bank, Mayo Shattuck, resigned suddenly on September 12. In the case of one trade, the buyer left $2.5 million uncollected for months after the attacks. Financial authorities in Frankfurt and Tokyo and an intelligence bureau in Israel also reported suspicious trades and initially characterized these as smoking guns that would lead back to 9/11. To our knowledge there has been no public follow-up to these statements since. (IHT, 9/20/01).)

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I’m supposed to dignify this moronic chickenshit with some sort of scientific and coherent response?


Here below are a few remarks that (in terms of attempting a refutation) I would place in the category of either --

moronic .....OR chickenshit........ OR moronic AND chickenshit ;

to wit;


*sigh* Those darn Chinese debris merchants. Always up to their Chinese debris-marketing shenanigans.

Shut up, son of Martin Sheen.

Yikes. You heard that too? Whoowee.

There’s a better Islamic message than, “Allah O Achbar”?

Where do I start?

Many professional pilots have gone on record saying that they doubted that could have pulled off the manuevers that the airliners did before hitting the buildings......yet we are to believe that people who had only the most minimal of training in flying a huge jetliner pulled off those manuevers.

I'd love to see that record. But here's why I doubt this. 1) How have these pilots gained access to the precise route flown by the planes before impact? 2) We've all seen the video of the planes hitting the towers and neither of them were doing anything especially crazy. They pretty much flew straight in, or at the most at a gentle bank. 3) Commercial aircraft are designed to withstand forces of 1.5g - not the 9+ gs military fighters can do. So essentially no pilot can do anything that crazy because the plane will come apart. 4) Flying a commercial airliner in the air isn't that hard. They're inherently stable. Take offs and landings are the hard parts.

Video proves that when the buildings fell they both fell at a speed closely approaching that of a rock falling in free space.........iow, they came down at the speed of gravity. There is also video evidence showing windows 8 or 10 floors below the point where the building was collapsing being blown out violently, looking exactly as it there were explosions occuring.

Suffice it to say I've seen the video as well and have seen neither of these things. It's hard to tell with something that massive, but they didn't seem to come down that fast to me. But more importantly, why would a controlled demolition fall faster than a collapse?

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=4&c=y

What of the massive increase (increases of up to 1100%) in put options?........does it seem reasonable to you that in one the most monumental events in history, that there would be little or no investigation by the government into who exactly paced those puts and who stood to benefit?
[/I]

That I don't have an answer for, although I'd be interested to know if you grabbed that from the newspaper's website or from a conspiracy theorist website.

This post may not last, So if You have any questions Email me at sleepy_y2k_23@hotmail.com

War on terror is a scam!!

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well, i would not be surprised. there are way too many links in odd ways between governments and such. bin laden was helped and created by the u.s. and c.i.a. in the soviet daze. and they can't keep track of him. yes, right, sure, whatever.
bush family is linked to house of saud. saudis have monetarily backed terorists. bin laden is a saud. bush family has it's finger in every oil pie and c.i.a..

just a few.

I'd love to see that record.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:F2CYz8MCgrIJ:www.newsociety.com/titleimages/rub_war.pdf+9/11+advanced+maneuvers+performed+inexperienced+pilo ts&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

Flight 77 not only flew straight towards the Pentagon
from near the Ohio-West Virginia border, it made a sudden U-turn over
Washington so that it could hit the Pentagon in a virtually unoccupied wing on
the navy side. It also descended several thousand feet in a sharp dive and was able
to pull out and approach the Pentagon just feet above the ground, without collid-
ing with anything other than some trees and a streetlight.


So who was piloting Flight 77? According to ABC you have your choice between
our charmed lucky friends, Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf al Hazmi, or Wail Al
Shehri.

According to multiple sources all three were poor and inexperienced pilots.
Someone made great progress in the summer of 2001. Or maybe it wasn’t necessary.


Training provided by Uncle Sam
There are differences between intelligence “assets” who are expendable and those
who are not. Usually, the non-expendable ones are people in whom an agency has
invested a lot of time and money. According to Newsweek, as many as five of the
9/11 hijackers received training at US military installations.
September 15 — US military sources have given the FBI information
that suggests five of the alleged hijackers of the planes that were used
in Tuesday’s terror attacks received training at secure US military
installations in the 1990s.
Three of the alleged hijackers listed their address on driver’s licenses and
car registrations as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla. — known as
the “Cradle of US Navy Aviation,” according to a high-ranking US
Navy source.
Another of the alleged hijackers [Atta] may have been trained in strat-
egy and tactics at the Air War College in Montgomery, Ala., said another
high-ranking Pentagon official. The fifth man may have received lan-
guage instruction at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Tex. Both
were former Saudi Air Force pilots who had come to the United
States, according to the Pentagon source.
But there are slight discrepancies between the military training
records and the official FBI list of suspected hijackers — either in the
spellings of their names or with their birthdates. One military source
said it is possible that the hijackers may have stolen the identities of
the foreign nationals who studied at the US installations.

Independent journalist and filmmaker Daniel Hopsicker moved to the Venice,
Florida, area shortly after the attacks. In the Washington Post and the Knight-Ridder
syndicate, Hopsicker found news stories confirming that some of the hijackers had
received US military training. Those stories had Mohammed Atta pretty well
nailed down. He had extensive US military training. He also spent a lot of time in
bars and strip clubs — behaviors that are completely inconsistent with those of a
devout Muslim about to meet Allah as a pure martyr.

But the assumption that the military had somehow trained some of the hijack-
ers up to incredible skill levels didn’t hold water. Venice, Florida, was where several
of the hijackers received flight training in small, private aircraft. None received
training on Boeing airliners. Only one or two of the 19 had an instrument rating.
Over the course of two years Hopsicker not only added information to what was
known about military training, he established that some of the hijackers associated with wealthy Floridians who had both intelligence and Bush family
connections. Hopsicker also confirmed that within hours of the attacks, Florida
Governor Jeb Bush had a military C 130 Hercules transport fly in to the Venice
airport where a hastily loaded rental truck, filled with the records of Huffman
Aviation — where Atta, Al Shehhi, and others had trained — was driven directly
into the plane. The C 130 immediately took off for parts unknown.
Experienced military pilots with thousands of hours in all kinds of aircraft,
Gary Eitel for example, have told me that the maneuver performed by Flight 77,
as described in official reports, was beyond the capabilities of 90 percent of even
the best and most experienced pilots in the world. I talked to Eitel on the day of
the attacks and he was amazed by the piloting skill used to steer Flight 175 into
the second tower. Flight 77 boggled his mind.[/quote]

Suffice it to say I've seen the video as well and have seen neither of these things. It's hard to tell with something that massive, but they didn't seem to come down that fast to me.

The video I saw was timed with a stop watch.

But then, we must take into consideration that the stop watch might have been an evil Bush-hater and a conspiracy-nut-stopwatch and that it deliberately slowed down during the timed recording so as to make it seem the building fell faster than what the supposed "time it took to fall" appeared to be.

What of the massive increase (increases of up to 1100%) in put options?........does it seem reasonable to you that in one the most monumental events in history, that there would be little or no investigation by the government into who exactly paced those puts and who stood to benefit?

That I don't have an answer for, although I'd be interested to know if you grabbed that from the newspaper's website or from a conspiracy theorist website.

Cluephone; an 1100% increase is an 1100% increase, no matter if a newspaper reports it or a research into 9/11 website reports it.

Independent journalist and filmmaker Daniel Hopsicker found news stories confirming that some of the hijackers had received US military training. This is way deeper than you think.

Daniel Hopsicker is obviously a made up name meant to convey a message.
If you switch the letters around you get -
"Dop is in here - CKAL"
We're pretty sure the CKAL stands for "Cheney Killed Abraham Lincoln".

Free, I'm scared. Hold me.

This is way deeper than you think.

Daniel Hopsicker is obviously a made up name meant to convey a message.
If you switch the letters around you get -
"Dop is in here - CKAL".

If you have to exaggerate my point to make me wrong, you've already given up.



If you have to make childish asides instead of addressing the point, you've already given up.

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“Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise”
Adolf Hitler - German Chancellor, leader of the Nazi party

“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
George W. Bush - appointed as U.S. President, leader of the Corporate Party

This is way deeper than you think.

Daniel Hopsicker is obviously a made up name meant to convey a message.
If you switch the letters around you get -
"Dop is in here - CKAL"
We're pretty sure the CKAL stands for "Cheney Killed Abraham Lincoln".

Free, I'm scared. Hold me.
This is one of the funniest things I've ever read in my life. Brilliant, Brooks. Fucking brilliant.

If you have to make childish asides instead of addressing the point, you've already given up.
If Prae says something about porking Paris Hilton you're on the floor laughing, but if Brooks makes a brilliant joke, you consider it "childish."

A man grown man who "despises all things conservative" despite being pro death penalty and pro gun rights, a man who has considered the statistics of abortion to be good news, a man who uses 'fuck' as much as a boy who just saw a Quentin Tarantino movie, and a man that wants Santa Claus barred from being mentioned in public schools, has no ground to stand on when accusing someone of saying something "childish."

Free speech is not limited to any one agenda, sir.
You know that all too well.


According to you -- it is limited to only pro-bush agenda. Are you backtracking on that statement?

And anti-war speech does not equal embarassment.

you clearly said it does. Are you backtracking on that statement?

The US Government engineered and executed the 911 attacks??
Jesus Christ, that is beyond stupid.

IIRC -- the theory doesn't claim the U.S. Government per se was responsible for 9/11. That statement would imply everyone in the government was involved from the president down to the janitor in the Dept. of Interior.

OTOH -- the theory does imply 9/11 was perped by PNAC, AIPAC, Mossad, Sharon and Likud with the blessings of certain U.S. government entities ... fer instance ... standing down the military, etc, etc.

What I don't understand is why didn't the plane come down parallel to one of the pentagon sides. It would have caused much more damage.

Of course while thinking of this on 9-11 my friends and I were reminded of a laughable but non-the-less eiree conspiracy coincidence... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yog-Sothoth#Popular_culture ...break the seal free the beast.

Free, I'm scared. Hold me.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeet, that is the funniest thing I have read all week...I'm still laughing...
I think I need a drink.....daaaaaaaaaamn that was good!

If Prae says something about porking Paris Hilton you're on the floor laughing, ........

Ok.

Here's your chance to prove yourself, you smarmy little asswipe.

Back up your allegation with proof.

Name ONE instance where I did or said anything remotley resembling expressing amusement ---much less "falling on the floor laughing"--- at anything Prae has ever said about porking Paris Hilton.

One. :upyours:

....but if Brooks makes a brilliant joke, you consider it "childish."

You miscontrue. I had no problem with the quality or supposed "brilliance" of the joke he made. (Personally, I thought it was a bit closer to cornball than to *brilliant*, but that's just a personal observation that's neither here nor there)

My comment went to the fact that he chose to make a joke as a way of extricating himself from any substantive argument or response.

A man grown man who "despises all things conservative" despite being pro death penalty and pro gun rights, a man who has considered the statistics of abortion to be good news, a man who uses 'fuck' as much as a boy who just saw a Quentin Tarantino movie, and a man that wants Santa Claus barred from being mentioned in public schools, has no ground to stand on when accusing someone of saying something "childish."

Ahhh....i see.

Which of those positions or actions seem "childish" to you? All of them??

Interesting.

(not really)

you smarmy little asswipe.
Very mature, you insult over a non-issue like this?
Back up your allegation with proof.
Alright.
Originally Posted by The Praetorian
Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind staying in the Paris Hilton at all. I might even think about an extended stay, especially if I were allowed to gain entrance in back.

Originally Posted by Freethinker
HAWWWWWWWahhhhhhahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Good one.
http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=19102&page=2&highlight=Paris+Hilton

My comment went to the fact that he chose to make a joke as a way of extricating himself from any substantive argument or response.
Brooks has been posting here about the same time as we have, you should know his behavior and sense of humor by now.
Which of those positions or actions seem "childish" to you? All of them??
Yes, because a man who claims to hate "all things conservative" also has conservative positions, a man who has said in reference to Santa Claus "I have often wondered how much harm --in the long run-- we as a society are doing in indoctrinating children to believe --with all of their heart's-- in absurdist fantasies", a man who considers the number of abortions in this country to be a "feel good story", and swears at a child, is not---in any way--childish.

Act your age.

Alright.

Originally Posted by The Praetorian
Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind staying in the Paris Hilton at all. I might even think about an extended stay, especially if I were allowed to gain entrance in back.

Originally Posted by Freethinker
HAWWWWWWWahhhhhhahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Good one.

I stand corrected! I had no recollection of that, buuuut.......I extend my sincere apologies.

Yes, because a man who claims to hate "all things conservative" also has conservative positions, a man who has said in reference to Santa Claus "I have often wondered how much harm --in the long run-- we as a society are doing in indoctrinating children to believe --with all of their heart's-- in absurdist fantasies", a man who considers the number of abortions in this country to be a "feel good story", and swears at a child, is not---in any way--childish.


Two parts of that i do not understand.....why is the issue of the death penalty somehow the sacred province of conservatism only? I support the death penalty because i am an atheist, and when you're dead you're dead, so it is --to me-- far less suffering than keeping a human in a cage for life. Also, why does a far left liberal (me) being in favor of the death penalty equate to being - "childish" ....??! I just don't understand the thinking there.

Secondly , the swears at a child portion...?....what is that in reference to??!?

Also, why does a far left liberal (me) being in favor of the death penalty equate to being - "childish" ....??! I just don't understand the thinking there.
I'm not questioning your logic with your stance on the death penalty, or even abortion, as I share the sentiment. But when a self-professed far left individual is very pro gun rights, or has another standpoint that is particularly affiliated with American conservative ideology, I find it quite odd.
Secondly , the swears at a child portion...?....what is that in reference to??!?
I've been posting here since I was 15, and have sworn at me or in my presence this past year (I'm now 16), while I don't really care, it comes across as crass or uncharacteristic of a man your age, so I brought it up.

But let us return to the subject of "9/11 was carried out by the US GOVT"

Cluephone; an 1100% increase is an 1100% increase, no matter if a newspaper reports it or a research into 9/11 website reports it.

I hate to be the one to break this to you, FT, but sometimes people make stuff up. Which is why it's nice to see stuff on the original new organization's website. Which of course these days is getting damn near impossible, which certainly make it a lot harder to prove or disprove some of these theories.

I've been posting here since I was 15, and have sworn at me or in my presence this past year (I'm now 16), while I don't really care, it comes across as crass or uncharacteristic of a man your age, so I brought it up.

I did not know how old you were,.......... but I cannot find the words to tell you how hilarious I find it that you consider yourself a "child" at 15 years of age.

In the future, I will try to be more mindful of your ears' youthful fragility.

I did not know how old you were,.......... but I cannot find the words to tell you how hilarious I find it that you consider yourself a "child" at 15 years of age.
If I am under 18, I am a child by law.
In the future, I will try to be more mindful of your ears' youthful fragility.
::rolls eyes::

"and have sworn at me or in my presence this past year (I'm now 16), while I don't really care, it comes across as crass or uncharacteristic of a man your age"

I hate to be the one to break this to you, FT, but sometimes people make stuff up.

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but people almost never "make stuff up" when it concerns figures and numbers that can easily be 100% verified.

There is simply no point in "making it up". People who can do mathematical calculations can readily determine if such claims are true or not.

The numbers of airline put options sold is a matter of public record.

If I am under 18, I am a child by law.

::rolls eyes::

"and have sworn at me or in my presence this past year (I'm now 16), while I don't really care .....

I see.

You went to the trouble of making a point of it.

But you "don't care".

Makes perfect sense.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:F2CYz8MCgrIJ:www.newsociety.com/titleimages/rub_war.pdf+9/11+advanced+maneuvers+performed+inexperienced+pilo ts&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

Flight 77 not only flew straight towards the Pentagon
from near the Ohio-West Virginia border, it made a sudden U-turn over
Washington so that it could hit the Pentagon in a virtually unoccupied wing on
the navy side. It also descended several thousand feet in a sharp dive and was able
to pull out and approach the Pentagon just feet above the ground, without collid-
ing with anything other than some trees and a streetlight.



The segment of the Pentagon that was struck by the hijacked airliner was NOT a sparsely-populated corner of the building, and was not the sole property of the Navy. It was in fact the freshly-renovated wing of the building that was home to the US Army G1. (The G1, with a staff of hundreds of Officers, NCOs, and civilians, manages all personnel functions for the Army.)
I myself was in the Pentagon on some Army business just two weeks prior to 911. The newly renovated wing of that structure was an engineering marvel. It is believed that if the hijackers struck any other section of the Pentagon, the losses would have been triple what they were.

I lost a few friends in that attack on the Pentagon, and I also have two close friends who worked in the outer-ring office that was actually struck by the plane, and they were lucky enough to have survived the attack. (They were both fortunate enough to have gotten up from their desks that morning and had gone to other parts of the Pentagon to take care of business in other offices.) All their friends and coworkers were killed that fateful morning...

* Unbelievably difficult feat of flying on the part of the terrorist pilots? Not really. The guys simply dropped out of altitude in the quickest manner possible, and then lined-up an approach path toward the target in a manner that would allow them the best angle of attack. They truly could have hit that building (or any other target of opportunity, say the Capitol Dome) from any angle. The Army G1 staff just got unbelievably unlucky that morning.

* A secret Government agency was willing to sacrifice thousands of lives, just so that a headlong rush into war could be initiated? Worse yet, a secret Government agency was in a position to execute such a plan, using unwitting jihadist pilots (trained at Pensacola NAS and the War College no less) from the middle east as its unwitting pawns?
Ridiculous and absurd.


:mad:

What of the massive increase (increases of up to 1100%) in put options??........does it seem reasonable to you that in one the most monumental events in history, that there would be little or no investigation by the government into who exactly paced those puts and who stood to benefit....?!?Here are a couple of explanations:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/18/MN63703.DTL

Additionally, if you don't even know who was responsible for it then there's no way you can use it to implicate anyone.

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but people almost never "make stuff up" when it concerns figures and numbers that can easily be 100% verified.

There is simply no point in "making it up". People who can do mathematical calculations can readily determine if such claims are true or not.

Wow, you're a very trusting individual. How many people are going to bother verifying the information? I get goofy emails forwarded by people all the time containing lies that could be easily verified - like one accusing Pepsi of putting the Pledge of Allegience on a can but leaving out "under God." The entire snopes website exists because of this.

Wow, you're a very trusting individual.

No, in fact i am the opposite of trusting.

People --ESPECIALLLY those in government-- are extremely prone to LIE to you. I know that, and I think you would probably agree.

How many people are going to bother verifying the information? I get goofy emails forwarded by people all the time containing lies that could be easily verified - like one accusing Pepsi of putting the Pledge of Allegience on a can but leaving out "under God."

I see what you're saying.....but a goofy e-mail is quie a bit less serious than a discussion of 9/11 and the events surrounding it.

I repeat -- people, especially on a serious subject that will certainly come under INTENSE scrutiny, tend to not "make stuff up" when it concerns figures and numbers that can easily be 100% verified.

The numbers on the airlines put options are irrefutable. No one is even making any ATTEMPT to refute the numbers that have been reported, because everyone who is serious about researching 9/11 has looked up the numbers themselves.

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From The Wilderness, October 9, 2001 - Although uniformly ignored by the mainstream U.S. media, there is abundant and clear evidence that a number of transactions in financial markets indicated specific (criminal) foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In the case of at least one of these trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the "put options" on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by the man who is now in the number three Executive Director position at the Central Intelligence Agency. Until 1997 A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard had been Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown. A.B. Brown was acquired by Banker's Trust in 1997. Krongard then became, as part of the merger, Vice Chairman of Banker's Trust-AB Brown, one of 20 major U.S. banks named by Senator Carl Levin this year as being connected to money laundering. Krongard's last position at Banker's Trust (BT) was to oversee "private client relations." In this capacity he had direct hands-on relations with some of the wealthiest people in the world in a kind of specialized banking operation that has been identified by the U.S. Senate and other investigators as being closely connected to the laundering of drug money.

Krongard joined the CIA in 1998 as counsel to CIA Director George Tenet. He was promoted to CIA Executive Director by President Bush in March of this year. BT was acquired by Deutsche Bank in 1999. The combined firm is the single largest bank in Europe. And, as we shall see, Deutsche Bank played several key roles in events connected to the September 11 attacks.

THE SCOPE OF KNOWN INSIDER TRADING

Before looking further into these relationships it is necessary to look at the insider trading information that is being ignored by Reuters, The New York Times and other mass media. It is well documented that the CIA has long monitored such trades - in real time - as potential warnings of terrorist attacks and other economic moves contrary to U.S. interests. Previous stories in FTW have specifically highlighted the use of Promis software to monitor such trades.

It is necessary to understand only two key financial terms to understand the significance of these trades, "selling short" and "put options".

"Selling Short" is the borrowing of stock, selling it at current market prices, but not being required to actually produce the stock for some time. If the stock falls precipitously after the short contract is entered, the seller can then fulfill the contract by buying the stock after the price has fallen and complete the contract at the pre-crash price. These contracts often have a window of as long as four months.

"Put Options," are contracts giving the buyer the option to sell stocks at a later date. Purchased at nominal prices of, for example, $1.00 per share, they are sold in blocks of 100 shares. If exercised, they give the holder the option of selling selected stocks at a future date at a price set when the contract is issued. Thus, for an investment of $10,000 it might be possible to tie up 10,000 shares of United or American Airlines at $100 per share, and the seller of the option is then obligated to buy them if the option is executed. If the stock has fallen to $50 when the contract matures, the holder of the option can purchase the shares for $50 and immediately sell them for $100 - regardless of where the market then stands. A call option is the reverse of a put option, which is, in effect, a derivatives bet that the stock price will go up.

A September 21 story by the Israeli Herzliyya International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism, entitled "Black Tuesday: The World's Largest Insider Trading Scam?" documented the following trades connected to the September 11 attacks:

- Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options. Assuming that 4,000 of the options were bought by people with advance knowledge of the imminent attacks, these "insiders" would have profited by almost $5 million.

- On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. Again, there was no news at that point to justify this imbalance; Again, assuming that 4,000 of these options trades represent "insiders," they would represent a gain of about $4 million.

- [The levels of put options purchased above were more than six times higher than normal.]

- No similar trading in other airlines occurred on the Chicago exchange in the days immediately preceding Black Tuesday.

- Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co., which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45 put options bought in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an average of 27 contracts per day before September 6. Morgan Stanley's share price fell from $48.90 to $42.50 in the aftermath of the attacks. Assuming that 2,000 of these options contracts were bought based upon knowledge of the approaching attacks, their purchasers could have profited by at least $1.2 million.

- Merrill Lynch & Co., with headquarters near the Twin Towers, saw 12,215 October $45 put options bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous average volume in those shares had been 252 contracts per day [a 1200% increase!]. When trading resumed, Merrill's shares fell from $46.88 to $41.50; assuming that 11,000 option contracts were bought by "insiders," their profit would have been about $5.5 million.

- European regulators are examining trades in Germany's Munich Re, Switzerland's Swiss Re, and AXA of France, all major reinsurers with exposure to the Black Tuesday disaster. [FTW Note: AXA also owns more than 25% of American Airlines stock making the attacks a "double whammy" for them.]

On September 29, 2001 - in a vital story that has gone unnoticed by the major media - the San Francisco Chronicle reported, "Investors have yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made trading options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept. 11, terrorist attacks, according to a source familiar with the trades and market data.

"The uncollected money raises suspicions that the investors - whose identities and nationalities have not been made public - had advance knowledge of the strikes." They don't dare show up now. The suspension of trading for four days after the attacks made it impossible to cash-out quickly and claim the prize before investigators started looking.

"October series options for UAL Corp. were purchased in highly unusual volumes three trading days before the terrorist attacks for a total outlay of $2,070; investors bought the option contracts, each representing 100 shares, for 90 cents each. [This represents 230,000 shares]. Those options are now selling at more than $12 each. There are still 2,313 so-called "put" options outstanding [valued at $2.77 million and representing 231,300 shares] according to the Options Clearinghouse Corp."

"The source familiar with the United trades identified Deutsche Bank Alex Brown, the American investment banking arm of German giant Deutsche Bank, as the investment bank used to purchase at least some of these options." This was the operation managed by Krongard until as recently as 1998.

As reported in other news stories, Deutsche Bank was also the hub of insider trading activity connected to Munich Re. just before the attacks. ------http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/10_09_01_krongard.html

Arr, even a lubber can see that Freethinker be ignorin' those speakin' truth in this thread. He don't need no facts, narrrrr, they gets in the way of his flotsam that he calls an argument! Arrrrrrrrr...

Aye, he be pissin' me off more than...arr...oh, I give up. Screw 'Talk like a pirate day'

"No, in fact i am the opposite of trusting.

People --ESPECIALLLY those in government-- are extremely prone to LIE to you. I know that, and I think you would probably agree."

So you are mistrustful, and you believe that people who work for the Government are extremely prone to LIE.

I resent that insinuation, and I think that I can safely speak for the hundreds of thousands of Government workers out there when I say that you are biased and unduly judgemental.

Most Government workers are honest and conscientious, and would bristle at the implication that they are liars. You need to come visit a Government installation, and meet of few of the folks who serve every single day with your best interest at heart.

Call me anytime, sir.
I will set-up a tour and a visit of my facility.

Alex Jones: Most Police, Firefighters Now Believe 9/11 Inside Job

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | September 11 2006
Documentary film maker and radio host Alex Jones, coordinating today's 9/11 truth movement events in downtown New York City, says that the atmosphere around ground zero has dramatically changed, with the majority of firefighters and police officers now sympathetic to the claim that 9/11 was an inside job.

Saying that the "entire atmosphere had changed," Alex explained how police support for protesters at ground zero had gone from 20% support two years ago to around 60% support now - with many willing to affirm that sentiment on camera and many knowledgeable about Alex Jones' work and the 9/11 truth movement.

"Police just saying 'keep your investigation going, we appreciate you' on video," said Jones.

"The firemen we've been talking to - a hundred per cent are on our side and have seen the documentary films....it is just incredible what's happened at the grass roots."

http://groups.msn.com/WorldCitizensConcerns/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=20153&LastModified=4675589113908669499&all_topics=0

What I don't understand is why didn't the plane come down parallel to one of the pentagon sides. It would have caused much more damage.

Of course while thinking of this on 9-11 my friends and I were reminded of a laughable but non-the-less eiree conspiracy coincidence... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yog-Sothoth#Popular_culture ...break the seal free the beast.

Apparently the plane did a 180 turn while dropping 7000 ft in altitude and flattened out for a perfect broadside hit just inches above the ground and at an impact speed that literally vaporized every atom of the plane and it's occupants.

Who in their right mind could believe this bullshit? ROTFLMAO.

No, in fact i am the opposite of trusting.

People --ESPECIALLLY those in government-- are extremely prone to LIE to you. I know that, and I think you would probably agree."



So you are mistrustful, and you believe that people who work for the Government are extremely prone to LIE.

I resent that insinuation, and I think that I can safely speak for the hundreds of thousands of Government workers out there when I say that you are biased and unduly judgemental.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I said nothing about **people who work for the government, you clueless twit.

I was refering to the political leadership.

It is truly unfathomable to me that anyone could THAT stupid as to miscontrue my statement as refering to government workers instead of elected officials running the government.

Sheesh.

Apparently the plane did a 180 turn while dropping 7000 ft in altitude and flattened out for a perfect broadside hit just inches above the ground and at an impact speed that literally vaporized every atom of the plane and it's occupants.

Who in their right mind could believe this bullshit? ROTFLMAO.

No one.

But from their comments, I'd say that Evakian and Borghunter, with his ""Freethinker be ignorin' those speakin' truth"" spew, are among those who believe it.

"Clueless twit"?

That's a truly chickenshit statement, Freethinker. Fired from the corner of anonymity, by the way. I myself have made my own identity clearly known to you and everyone else on this web forum. And I have challenged you, true. But I have never resorted to name calling.

Just because I don't agree with your assessment of the Bush administration as the cause of all the world's ills I am a clueless twit?

I like to think I have accorded you a bit more respect than that, sir.
:mad:

"Clueless twit"?

I like to think I have accorded you a bit more respect than that, sir.
:mad:

Alright.....I retract that statement and apologize for it....

....but come ON, Sparky!!!!....are you going to sit there and tell me that you honestly believed that when I said ----""People --ESPECIALLLY those in government-- are extremely prone to LIE to you""---- that i was talking about government workers instead of government politicians........?!?!?!

How could anyone come to such a conclusion who is NOT behaving in a "clueless" manner.......???!

Anyone at that level of Government will lie. Such is the way of life in the political arena. Regardless of the political party.

I myself have a big heart, a concern for the environment and the good of the constituents, and the leadership skills necessary to steer the ship, at nearly any level of Government. But I have this fatal flaw;
I value the truth over the lies implied to political exigency.
I will take the hard right over the easy wrong.
And (worst of all, I guess) I have no dog in this, or any, fight.
All I care about is making a better world for my daughter and her daughter.

That makes me an unsuitable political candidate, no matter how you shake it.
(Well that, and the certain knowlege that there is a videotape-record in existence out there from an ill-advised sexual threesome, OK I got a little too loose in Oklahoma City, and that in and of itself could sink my chances at being elected Dog Catcher. Shit. It was 1989. What did I know?)

So what was the original topic?
People in political office lie?
Yikes.
Next thing you're going to tell me that baseball players took steroids.
:rolleyes:

No one.

But from their comments, I'd say that Evakian and Borghunter, with his ""Freethinker be ignorin' those speakin' truth"" spew, are among those who believe it.
Please point me in the direction of the post I made that said that.

Oh wait, I didn't say that.

No one.

Since when is doing a 180 and losing 7000 feet in altitude a difficult manuever?

As far as the "literally vaporizing" comment, since there's pictures of wreckage, it obviously didn't do that.

Please point me in the direction of the post I made that said that.

Oh wait, I didn't say that.

I did not claim that you said it.

Apparently the plane did a 180 turn while dropping 7000 ft in altitude and flattened out for a perfect broadside hit just inches above the ground and at an impact speed that literally vaporized every atom of the plane and it's occupants.

Who in their right mind could believe this bullshit? ROTFLMAO.

It's kinda like the magic bullet theory... Somethings very fishy about it.

The maneuvers employed by Flight 77 Hijacker Hani Hanjour were nothing special. In fact they were quite necessary to his 'mission', and therefore had been practiced in the simulator. Considering that the other two airliners had already hit their targets in NYC, and assuming that the FAA and the (admittedly slow to respond) military were about to scramble interceptor jets, the hijacker had to drop out of altitude rather quickly in order to drop off the radar screen before they had a chance to figure out his intended destination/target.

Guys, I've got close personal friends who survived the attack, and they reported seeing the airliner parts laying about while they were engaged in rescue efforts. More importantly, they report the tell-tale presence and odor of jet fuel all over the scene. A missile or a bomb would not leave residual jet fuel everywhere.

I have a close personal friend who witnessed the plane fly into the Pentagon (from her vantage point in a restaurant atop a nearby hotel). She was at a breakfast meeting that morning, and she and dozens of others watched in horror as that airliner slammed into her place of work. I'd rather not post her name out of respect for her and her family's privacy.

Other validated eye-witnesses to the airliner striking the Pentagon include: firefighter Alan Wallace, Navy employee Frank Probst, street sweeper William Middleton, Army Major Lincoln Liebner, former military aviator Tom Hovis, USA Today employees Michael Walter & Steve Anderson, and the list goes on and on. Ignore these people if you want to (or somehow need to?) but to continue to engage in conspiracy theories over this terrorist attack (alleging that it was staged by our own Government) only serves to make you look foolish, and empowers the terrorist networks. Plus, they've got to be laughing their ass off over all this conspiracy theory nonsense.

Photos of airliner wreckage to follow.
A piece of fuselage, out on the lawn:

The remains of an engine, found near the D-ring wreckage:

Landing gear found near the C-wing wreckage:

Boeing 757 wheel hub, found near the entrance hole:

My niece's dog, Chiquita.

She's got nothing to do with 911 or the Pentagon, but I think she's a really hilarious little mutt. (Plus, right after I took this picture, she whispered in my ear, "Oswald was the lone gunman.")

Draw your own conclusions.
:rolleyes:

Was Oswald the lone gunman or did he have an assist? The questions will never end!

The remains of an engine, found near the D-ring wreckage:

Landing gear found near the C-wing wreckage:

Boeing 757 wheel hub, found near the entrance hole:

Sparky, it was Lungdop who made the claim that there wasn't any airplane wreckage at the Pentagon. He's done it twice bfore, and both times I've posted many photos of the wreckage, both inside and outside the building, and the reports of many eyewitnesses to the attack. He usually relents after a few half-hearted attempts to refute the pictures as "obviously photoshopped fakes", and then he waits a few months before making these absurd claims anew.

Interesting.

Lungdop, others, is there some reason why this conspiracy theory is so compelling to you that it must be true for you?

I'm familiar with the psychology of course;
Something this tragic and horrific occurs, and when the simple truth is revealed, the simple truth is immediately suspect. A fantastic and ridiculous story of conspiracy and the involvement of the US Government is easier to believe than the simple, sad truth.

* A lone gunman with a mail-order Italian carbine and a need for attention shoots and kills the President of the United States.

* Marilyn Monroe takes too many sleeping pills and dies.

* Elvis Presley destroys his body with too many prescription medications and too much fatty foods, and he dies on the crapper.

* Andy Kaufman got cancer and died.

* A small group of Muslim extremist assholes caught the American people with their pants down, and they perpetrated a brilliantly-simple plan; hijack a bunch of airliners armed only with boxcutters, and then drive those planes into high-visibility targets.

These simple, sad truths are somehow too hard for some to swallow.
Either a vast government conspiracy is alleged (Oswald, Marilyn Monroe, 911), or it was all big lie, and it never happened (Elvis Presley, Andy Kaufman).

Hey conspiracy-theory guys: Produce Elvis and Andy (alive and well), and I might just buy into your silly hypothesis.
Fair enough?
:thumbs:

OK, but why did Jackie marry that Greek guy?

*ahem*

$$$$$$, and more $$$$$$.

Hey conspiracy-theory guys: Produce Elvis and Andy (alive and well), and I might just buy into your silly hypothesis.
Fair enough? Only if you bring Osama (alive and well). We could play monopoly...

Here’s a piece I authored right after 9-11, and shortly before the start of hostilities in Afghanistan;

AP/ Excerpts from an interview conducted this week at an undisclosed Army base, with a service member who is speaking on conditions of the strictest confidentiality, and would only allow himself to be identified as "Sparky".

Interviewer: So, Mr. Sparky, you are privy to the details of the upcoming military Special Operations phase of the campaign against Afghanistan?

Sparky: That's right, Connie. And by the way, it is important to remember that the campaign is not directed against the people of Afghanistan. Only the terrorists, those who harbor them and those who support them. And the Taliban government. And those who protest against Americans and our way of life. And those who burn American flags or cheer at public rallies where American flags are being burnt......... Yikes, I guess that means pretty much the whole country is fair game. Anyway, I estimate that there are a easily two dozen Afghans who we will not be looking to blow up, vaporize, or otherwise send-off to meet Allah.

Interviewer: What will the coalition forces do to protect those innocent civilians?

Sparky: We are air-dropping food supplies and medicine on them. Not right ON them, hopefully, but definitely in the general area where they are hanging around. Extra Strength Tylenol, ear plugs, Tons of MRE's (Meals, Ready to Eat), which are a staple of every red-blooded American soldier's diet. Very tasty vittles, by the way. Chicken Ala King, which I personally can't stand, but many people find palatable when they are really hungry. Ham Slices, Pork and Beans, Pork Chow Mein, you name it.

Interviewer: Most of those MRE's you named contained pork products. Are you aware that Muslims are forbidden to eat the flesh of swine?

Sparky: If they are hungry enough, they'll eat it. Actually, I visited the Natick Laboratories Rations Development kitchens a few years ago, the place where they dream-up these MRE's for our troopies, and that was the slogan they had hanging on the wall up there, "If they are hungry enough, they'll eat it!" Shoot, if those Afghan boys are hungry enough, they'll eat each OTHER. Remember those Argentinean soccer players stuck up in the Andes Mountains a few years ago? Now that was some hungry folks. "Hey, Raphael, pass me some of that Carlos Jerky! No wait, make it a hunk of Coach Alberto Tenderloin."

Interviewer: I think we got off the subject. What do you know about the Special Operations teams who will be going into Afghanistan to capture Usama Bin Laden?

Sparky: Two teams, Barbara. The first team will go in to take-out the Taliban leaders. And I don't mean for dinner and dancing. We call them, "Tali-whackers" . Hand-picked, crack commandos. Great Americans. A little off in head, if you want to know the truth. Real snake-eating, blood-thirsty psychos. Scary bastards. Ye-e-e-h-h-hsh.... (Shudders) But great Americans nonetheless.

Interviewer: And the other team?

Sparky: Oh yeah, the Specially Trained Usama Bin Laden Surgical Insertion-Team. (STUBLSIT), or Stubbies for short. And they ARE short. Not a one over five-foot seven.

Interviewer: Why is that?

Sparky: Makes 'em even meaner. Did you ever meet a short guy who didn't have a chip on their shoulder? Robert Conrad, Napoleon, Adolph Hitler, Prince, the list goes on and on.

Interviewer: And what will be their objective? To assassinate Bin Laden?

Sparky: Oh, no. Ho ho no. (Chuckles softly) No, their job is to go in there, and bring him out alive. With surgically-inserted silicone breasts. (Thus the name of the team) In a pink tu-tu. In front of lots of news cameras.

Interviewer: And they will then hand him over to a UN Tribunal?

Sparky: Not a freaking CHANCE. Nope, we will fly him back to the US of A in a U.S. Air Force C-141, and give him a fair and honest trial, in a U.S. court. And I don't mean one of those sissy, liberal, California OJ Simpson/Johnny Cochran-type trials, where there's no justice. I'm talkin' about a good old, hard-nose, TEXAS trial, where you walk in that courtroom in irons, and take your medicine, and it goes down hard. 'Come out of there under escort, in a saggy orange jumpsuit, with a dicked-up Sling Blade haircut, headed for the Big House, crying and shakin', wishing you were never born. THAT kind of trial.

Interviewer: So you foresee Usama Bin Laden getting the death penalty for his crimes?

Sparky: Lord, I hope not. Dyin' is exactly what that psycho bastard wants. 'Kill him, and he gets to be a martyr for his people, and he gets to float off to heaven, where he can lay around on satin cushions, and eat figs, and interfere with fresh young Arab boys. Oh, no sir, he won't get to die for a good long time.
Here's what we do; We lock him away in solitary confinement here in Leavenworth for the rest of his natural born miserable life. He's what, six-foot two? Lock him in a cell that is five by five, with a four-foot mattress. Give him cable TV, but with only the Shopping channels to watch, and maybe occasionally some American NFL Football. Not the good games, either. Just the crap that the local stations offer up, like the Chiefs and Seahawks and what-not. Keep him healthy and well-fed with good American fare, like hot-dogs, pork chops, country ham, and pork sausage. We don't want him getting sick and going off to be with Allah any time soon.

Interviewer: So Bin laden would be forbidden any human contact?

Sparky: Oh no, he would get to see his guards every day at meal time.
FEMALE guards. Very authoritative types, with sensible shoes, and bare arms and faces. That'll get his goat, having to take orders from women. And then, once a week, they march him down to the showers. To shower with the hardened cons, the big, mean pedophile types. Those crazy bastards will turn him every which way but LOOSE. After a few months of that, he think his name is U Slobbin' my Knobbin'. (Laughs hysterically).

Interviewer: We are about out of time. Any final words of encouragement for the U.S. Forces over in Afghanistan?

Sparky: Boys, (girls). Make us proud. Kick ass and take names. Put all that training to good use. I hope it's over real soon, so you can come home to a hero's welcome. A few folks will be waiting at the airport, waiting to spit on you and call you baby killers, but that's just some of the Vietnam Vets who are a little bitter about the homecoming they got back in '70. (Sighs)
But all in all, there's gonna be a whole bunch of grateful Americans waiting to give you a parade, and buy you a bunch of beers, and set you up with a hooker, and give you a ride home the next morning after a big old Denny's grand slam breakfast. (Sheds a tear) I can almost guarantee it.
:rolleyes:

It's kinda like the magic bullet theory... Somethings very fishy about it.

Photo of the "magic bullet" taken head-on.
Yes, this is "pristine" all right.


http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3171/ce399io0.gif

What does that paperclip mean under rating?

I updated the entire thing, with more facts..Please Skim thru it, Thanks.

From what i have seen.. the hardcore crazed conspiracy guys dug up ONE flight instructor who said the turn in the 747 COULDNT be done... thats it.

Now don't get me wrong.. im not saying ANYONE who questions 9-11 is a "hardcore crazed conspirator".. i just call certain people that who believe and eat up EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE scrap of tainted evidence which supposedly "supports" their claim...

I have my own questions about 9-11, but they are much more reasonable:

1. Reporters, witnesses, AND firefighters reported hearing MANY explosions during the collapse of the towers... were 50+ witnesses wrong? How could there be multiple explosions?

2. "Loose change" the movie shows the towers collapsing on multiple cameras and you see small clouds of smoke below the falling debris.. were these photoshopped? It suggests the idea of a controlled demolition.

Here is some JUICY stuff that i had NEVER heard before:

3. Flight 93- where it supposedly "crashed".. people who examined the wreckage said there was not one body or drop of blood.. and it looked like someone dug a 10 foot deep hole and dropped some metal wreckage in it.

Later that day, Cleveland Hopkins Airport was EVACUATED... everyone forced out. A Flight 93 landed while the airport was void of all airline passengers... or at least it said it in the log books. Why was Hopkins evacuated? where did the bodies of flight 93 go?

Alot of the arguments are very moronic.. but a view are good questions.. and they need to be answered.

Everybody think about it for just a minute;

Have you ever watched a documentary or news piece where demolition experts place hundreds of carefully-anchored explosive devices into strategically-drilled locations, and then link them all by miles of det-cord in order to carry out a controlled detonation of a building scheduled for demolition? The process is pain-staking, exacting, and it takes weeks to engineer and execute.

Just exactly how do you conspiracy-theory fans imagine that Big Brother snuck into the World Trade Center and set all that up, and right under the noses of thousands of intended victims at that?

Or even more preposterous:

US Government Spook: "OK Mohammed, here's what I want you to do. When you and Abdul fly your jets into the North and South towers, I want you to impact your jetliners into precisely these spots (pointing to a briefing chart) here and here. Got it?"

Mohammed Atta: "Yes."

US Government Spook: "Because if you impact too far down the face of the buildings, you are going to mess up all these explosives linked by miles of det-cord that we've already pre-placed in there. You're sure you guys can do this?"

Mohammed Atta: "Imshallah. If it is the will of Allah, then it will be done."

US Government Spook: (impatient now) "Listen, I can't gamble on IF's and MAYBE's. Either you can do it or you can't."

Mohammed Atta: (setting jaw firmly) "Allah oh Achbar. We can do it."

US Government Spook: "THAT's what I want to hear. All right, you guys go hijack those planes now, smack into those buildings, and make us proud. And Mohammed?"

Mohammed Atta: "Yes?"

US Government Spook: "You be sure to enjoy those 72 virgins now."

Mohammed, US Government Spook, Bullwinkle, Rocky, Boris & Natasia, and Dick Cheney: "Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!"
:eek: :confused: :woohoo: :hahanot:

That was pretty funny, Sparky. :)

FT, DOP: I was on the 90th Floor of 1WTC exactly 14 days to the hour before 9/11 - on 8/28/01. Ever since the first attack there has always been a lot of security throughout that complex. Private security, building security, NYPD security, Port Authority security. Much more so than most buildings in NYC. It is simply not possible to sneak in enough explosives to bring down the towers and then wire the building without innocent outsiders finding out and blowing the whistle. I have seen the film of the windows blowing out and that is consistant with a building of that size collapsing. Those were huge floors and the displaced air had to go somewhere. All of the other evidence is pretty lame. To quote a famous American President: "That dog wont hunt any more."

FT, DOP: I was on the 90th Floor of 1WTC exactly 14 days to the hour before 9/11 - on 8/28/01. Ever since the first attack there has always been a lot of security throughout that complex. Private security, building security, NYPD security, Port Authority security. Much more so than most buildings in NYC. It is simply not possible to sneak in enough explosives to bring down the towers and then wire the building without innocent outsiders finding out and blowing the whistle. I have seen the film of the windows blowing out and that is consistant with a building of that size collapsing. Those were huge floors and the displaced air had to go somewhere. All of the other evidence is pretty lame. To quote a famous American President: "That dog wont hunt any more."

John O'neill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._O'Neill

FT, DOP: I was on the 90th Floor of 1WTC exactly 14 days to the hour before 9/11 - on 8/28/01. Ever since the first attack there has always been a lot of security throughout that complex. Private security, building security, NYPD security, Port Authority security. Much more so than most buildings in NYC. It is simply not possible to sneak in enough explosives to bring down the towers and then wire the building without innocent outsiders finding out and blowing the whistle. I have seen the film of the windows blowing out and that is consistant with a building of that size collapsing. Those were huge floors and the displaced air had to go somewhere. All of the other evidence is pretty lame. To quote a famous American President: "That dog wont hunt any more."

fluffernutter;

You seem to have me confused with someone who has claimed that there were explosives installed in the WTC that brought it down.

I don't know WHAT brought them down.....but I do know that I have not heard an explanation for the following facts;

(a) Videos taken of the buildings as they fell show that they both fell at a speed closely approaching that of a rock falling in free space.........iow, they came down at the speed of gravity. (b) There is video evidence showing windows 8 or 10 floors below the point where the building was collapsing being blown out violently.

Maybe air DID blow out those windows. I will happily cede the point to you that there were no explosives in the WTC.

Now; if there were only some way to address the OTHER hundreds of bizarre, inexplicable events surrounding the events of that day.

....
Mohammed Atta: "Imshallah.......

Mohammed Atta: (setting jaw firmly) "Allah oh Achbar.

Its inshallah and Allahu Akbar.

The transliteration of Arabic to English is difficult but reading that sounded weird. :thumbs:

Thank you sir.

Human have hound in their house to protect their family against the wolf. Hound found as wolf get less and less, that they were neglected by human. So the hound trained some wolf they captured. Let these agent wolf to attack and kill human. Human is frightened. They give hound whatever they wanted, equipment, power ..... Now hound become master. When they need something, they let the agent wolf have an attack on human, then said, this is a long war, to protect your lives, I need warrantless surveillance, more budget, torture prison.... the recent one is a torture prison. The hound repeated its demand, "This enemy has struck us, and they want to strike us again, and we'll give our folks the tools necessary to protect the country," if you don't then the hound "can not protect ourselves".

That's why we saw after 5 years, occasionally a wolf or two were captured. But hundreds of thousands of innocent people died. There is an endless war to control people. A constant blackmail for more power. If Chavez says it's devil, he may say truth.

Human have hound in their house to protect their family against the wolf. Hound found as wolf get less and less, that they were neglected by human. So the hound trained some wolf they captured. Let these agent wolf to attack and kill human. Human is frightened. They give hound whatever they wanted, equipment, power ..... Now hound become master. When they need something, they let the agent wolf have an attack on human, then said, this is a long war, to protect your lives, I need warrantless surveillance, more budget, torture prison.... the recent one is a torture prison. The hound repeated its demand, "This enemy has struck us, and they want to strike us again, and we'll give our folks the tools necessary to protect the country," if you don't then the hound "can not protect ourselves".

That's why we saw after 5 years, occasionally a wolf or two were captured. But hundreds of thousands of innocent people died. There is an endless war to control people. A constant blackmail for more power. If Chavez says it's devil, he may say truth.

A. I think you posted a reply to the wrong thread.

B. What sort of dope are you smoking anyway?
I'd sure like to try some of that, if you don't mind.
It appears to be a powerful blend.
PM me for mailing instructions, please.
Thankies.
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B. What sort of dope are you smoking anyway?
I'd sure like to try some of that, if you don't mind.
It appears to be a powerful blend.
PM me for mailing instructions, please.
Thankies.
:thumbs:
If you don't share the information attained through said PMs, certain vital parts that you love will shrivel and fall off..........trust me on this... I have untold mental powers.

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Ok, since I'm bored I'll go answer these.



1. Operation Northwoods, "N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.":
This does show that the US is willing to consider the idea of killing americans, though they did not go through with it.

2. Alex Jones Predicts Attack
He said that something like crashing planes into buildings could happen, and Bin laden is one of the top people to do something like that. Out of all the nutjobs out there and all the predictions that people make, there is bound to be one that gets close. You think he's psychic? His 'prediction' does nothing to help prove your point.

4. At least 4 hijackers turned up alive, but i heard as many as 9

The hijackers all died. Those associated with the hijackers may have survived. It is still under debate, yet even if there were 9 instead of four, it does not help to prove your point.

5. The melting Point of Steel is 3000F and Fire is around 500-700F with burning Jet fuel around 1200-1400F. Skeptics have claimed, Steel doesnt Have to melt, but only weaken to collpase, This May be true, HOWEVER, It would not make a 1/4 Mile High Skyscraper, Collapse in 9-10 Seconds.
Heating metal up to around 1200-1400 degrees decreases it's strength by FIFTY percent. And it did not make the skyscraper collapse in 9-10 seconds. Look at the video again. The plane crashed into the building about 13 minutes before it actually collapsed. That gives sufficient time for the fire to heat up the metal supports and for the heat to travel down the beams and weaken the entire support. The time it took for the building to finally fall, from when it started to fall, was about 10 seconds. Why does that make you believe that it was an inside job?

6. An increase of 400% increase in put options on 9-6-01 and 9-7-01 on serveral airline stocks. An increase of 1100% Increase an in increase of put options on airline stocks on 9-10-01
Can you get me a source for that. That would be very interesting to see.

7. FBI confinscated tapes at a nearby hotel and gas station minutes after the "plane" hit the pentagon.
And why does this mean that it was the government who did it?

8. Debris from the building was taken and illegally sold to china before anybody could really investigate.
Wow, people took souvenirs and sold them. The government must be behind it!

9. If you watch the video of the towers coming down, You can notice bombs going off in the building.
I did not notice 'bombs' going off, but I did see the windows blowing out, which would happen for a number of reasons. First because of the excess air trapped on the floors needing somewhere to escape. Second because of the floors collapsing and bending the glass in their frames. Of course they would break.

10. Larry Silverstein Admitted blowing up WTC7 On a PBS Documentary. Skeptics Have Claimed He meant He was Pulling the Firefighters From the Building. Thats Funny, I thought When you call a person or persons "him" "them" or "em" not "it". Meanwhile The firefighters Were already Pulled from the Building 7 Houes before it Collpased. Skeptics Have Claimed, Well Maybe he did hit the Dynamite, But It takes severals weeks for them to carefully place explosives in a building. Call any Demolition Company.
Again, the point about setting up the explosives and wiring them without anyone noticing is preposterous. There would be hundereds of accounts of people noticing the explosives entering the building and the wiring throughout the building - so far I have heard zero of those.

11. Larry Silverstein got High Insurance on WTC7 Including terrosm insurance.
Yes he did, as almost all skyscrapers do.

12. 6 Months Before 9/11 They passed laws saying No pilots can carry guns, when pilots were allowed to carry guns for 40 years. (I am not sure this is 100% Accurate, I need to look into this more. Please Let me know if you find anything.)
I'll take a look into that.

13. As Charlie Sheen said, How can a plane make a 270 degree turn and drop 7000 feet in attitude in less then 2 minutes?
This does nothing to support your argument. We already know that the plane crashed into the building, if it was 7000 feet high, 2 minutes before it crashed, then it dropped 7000 feet in 2 minutes. Simple as that. Either it was not 7000 feet, it was not 2 minutes, or it was 7000 feet in 2 minutes. In any case, it does not implicate the government's involvement.

14. I heard it is impossible for cell phones to work on planes moving at 500mph and at 30000 Feet.
Same situation. The cell phones worked right? So either they work on planes moving 500mph at 30,000 ft or the plane was not going 500mph at 30,000 ft. This still does not implicate the government.

15. The "hijackers" said the wrong islamic message when approaching death. Who was
So they said the wrong thing. You think they weren't unnerved or scared when they were about to die? They're scared of death just as everyone else is.

16. Survivors and Eye witnesses Reporting seeing, hearing explosions.
Yes, as I and others said earlier, the windows blowing out would appear to be explosions.

17. Thermite was found at the scene. BYU Professor Steve E. Jones Have tested Postive some substance for Thermite, It was later Proven to cut the Main Pillars in the World Trade Center. It was the yellow goowy substance Dripping From the towers as CNN, FOX, Etc reported on 9/11/01.
You picked the wrong subject. I've made thermite before. It burns through almost anything, it is aluminum and ferrous oxide (rust) - yet since it is a solid, it is not used in cutting, you would use acetylene/oxygen torches for that. It is capable of cutting downwards since gravity pulls it down, yet it could not cut sideways through a pillar.
btw the yellow gooey substance would not be thermite, that would have been the steel.

18. Janitor was offered Millions of dallors to shut up and he refused, or so he said. See Video #6
Well, he's stupid in any case - if he was smart and was actually offered millions he would have taken the money. As it is, I think he's a nut, just as most people do. If he had the money he could prove that they tried to bribe him.

19. Science Says Buildings Collasping CAN NOT fall at the speed of gravity unless Dynimite.
The speed of gravity? First, gravity is not a speed it is a force, you're talking about the speed of a freefalling object. And the building did not fall at the speed of a freefalling object, though it did come close. It is possible for that to happen.

20. In the New American Century Dick Cheney Said We need a new Pearl Harbor. "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor."
So...

21. Less then 15 Million Was spend Investigating 9-11 and more then 45 Million on Clintons Sex Life. (Appox)
The republicans were very willing to shell out cash to discredit their opposition when the opportunity arose. The democrats are not conspiracy nut-cases though, and obviously do not believe that Bush planned this. That's why there was the difference in money spent.

22. How can a 757 That is 129' Wide Make a 16' Hole?
And how does this little bit make the government responsible?

23. Between Both Engines on Flight 77 Or a 757, Its combined weight is 10-12 Tons. It is made of Steel And Titnium. Its melting Point is around 2600F. The Fire didnt get anywhre near that tempurature at the Pentagon. Yet No Engines Were Found.
Ok... So are you trying to say that the plane was flying without engines? I'm doubting this bit of information right now.

24. You think fire can cause this?:
Yet again, this is no proof that the government caused anything.

25. Bush say the First Plane hit the First Tower! LOL!
Bush says a lot of stupid things. It still does not mean that the govenment did anything.

26. Jimmy Walter Is offering $100,000 To Anybody Who can Prove 9/11 Was NOT An Inside Job. Even PM Couldnt Stand Up.
If you make a wild claim it is not up for other people to disprove you; the burden of proof is on you.

Now I am going to give you why they did it, then i will share some links.

1. Patriot act

2. Patriot act 2

3. Eliminate the Consitution

4. Bring forth the NWO

5. Bankrupt the USA to bring forth a NWO

6. Scare americans to give up there right in exchange for "security" when you will just get tyranny and a police state.

7. Justify an Iraq War.

8. Bring forth a Real ID Act, which was passed on 5-11-05, and then the "mark of the beast"

9. To Pretty Much Allow Bush to do anything He wants.
Interesting ideas. There's also quite a few against it - but I've spent too much time on this right now. Ill let you figure out the reasons why Bush wouldn't do it.
#1 being political suicide / probably the death penalty also if it was uncovered.

If all these things were/are true,you could pass the death penalty on everyone in DC.

Ok, since I'm bored I'll go answer these.
Frig man...go sell another condo...plllllllllease... :lolhit:

What IS a condo?

Frig man...go sell another condo...plllllllllease... :lolhit:

hahaha, I really need to. I've got waay too much time on my hands here.

Come buy one!

Well hell, I have started this 3 times, harder to explain than I had thought and I own one... so I'll just tell you how mine works.
I have a two bedroom condo in what looks like an apartment building. I own that unit it is exclusive to each owner...and then everyone in my building shares the pool, and party room and tennis court. We pay condo fees into one main pot to maintain the building.
All grounds and maintenance is shared by all.

hahaha, I really need to. I've got waay too much time on my hands here.

Come buy one!
tooooooooo late... that's how I met my partner...explain how they work to paul...I didn't do a very good job...

A. I think you posted a reply to the wrong thread.

:

I think you need to re-fill in your middle school work.

hint: 911 was carried out by the wolf(perpetrator) trained by hound. (government intelligence)

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Why there was no fighter to intercept the hijacked plane on 911?

Quote, "CENTCOM Sergeant Details Traitorous Stand Down Orders On 9/11
Military whistleblower comes forward with key information
Steve Watson / Infowars | September 26 2006

Alex Jones was joined on air yesterday by a former Sergeant in the United States Army named Lauro "LJ" Chavez. Chavez was stationed at MacDill AFB where he claims he witnessed unusual preparations for a potential airplane hitting the base on the morning of 9/11 and distinctly heard officers talking about a stand down. This has led him to go public in questioning the NORAD stand down and the demolition of the twin towers.

Chavez proceeded to detail the key discussions that he heard inside the bunker on the day of 9/11:

"I didn't get to see tower one hit, I was in there talking with individuals and i was tired, I'd been there since four in the morning. Then all of a sudden everybody started hustling and bustling. it was like NASA when Apollo 13 was about to crash, everybody running around, and then they put it on the big screen, CNN with the tower on fire.

Then we see the other plane come in and hit it and at that point everybody is standing up. The air force had commanders in contact with NORAD. The plane, or whatever, hit the Pentagon and then we were like 'Why aren't they scrambling jets?' We were asking, there was eight or nine people... Colonels and Lieutenant Colonels asking the Lieutenant Colonel in charge of the air force 'why isn't NORAD scrambling jets? and he said 'we received an order to stand down''. And that just perplexed everybody."

Mr Chavez did not know the Lieutenant Colonel and so does not know his name, yet if he can be identified, then we have uncovered a direct link to the stand down order. If that man or any others who were present at CENTCOM on 9/11 can be identified and made to testify under oath, then the whole cover operation could be blown. A real independent investigation would have secured this.

The entire riveting interview is freely available online at Prisonplanet.tv now. Please spread this information far and wide.

Mr Chavez has since been informed that the computer company he now works for, as information security manager, has been receiving threatening phone calls demanding his dismissal. Mr Chavez is another example of someone who is bravely putting his career, reputation and life on the line to get the truth out about the 9/11 cover up.

http://infowars.net/articles/September2006/260906Chavez.htm

What IS a condo?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condo

Thanks Evak.

Quote, "CENTCOM Sergeant Details Traitorous Stand Down Orders On 9/11
Military whistleblower comes forward with key information
Steve Watson / Infowars | September 26 2006
Barring Steve Watson and the connivance paragraphs, numbered 1 through 765, I'm curious - do you ever actually have an original thought of your own, or do you just prefer Polly Parroting shit in a rather mundane fashion?

I think you need to re-fill in your middle school work.

hint: 911 was carried out by the wolf(perpetrator) trained by hound. (government intelligence)

The entire riveting interview is freely available online at Prisonplanet.tv now. Please spread this information far and wide.

Mr Chavez is another example of someone who is bravely putting his career, reputation and life on the line to get the truth out about the 9/11 cover up.


Hee hee!

No, I'm serious.
This appears to be some quality dope you are smoking, sir.
I really want some of that.
I'll pay top money, just PM me, and we can do business.
:thumbs:

What IS a condo?

A condo is one unit, within a building of mulitiple units, that is individually owned (as opposed to someone owning the whole building). Condo owners have joint ownership of amenities (pools, gyms, hot tubs etc...) as well as the structural portions of the total building, and the exteriors. Usually an HOA (home owners association) is set up to manage the communal areas and the parts of the building that are not individually owned.

An apartment is one unit, in a building of multiple units, where the whole building is owned and the individual units are rented out.

Hope that helped :thumbs:

9/11 Mysteries 1 -
Crosses & Images
A cross stands in the
ruins of the WTC towers,
and many startling and
eerie images are seen
in the photos and videos
of the WTC smoke.

They want World Government as well as several other things. I think in order to achieve this, They need to bankrupt all "powerful" USA.

Check this out:

For the New World Order to create a one world government, they must control a central bank, eliminate the Constitution, end Christian values, disarm America, and control the media. The Council on Foreign Relations has openly said they will take us over in favor of a one world government. The American people must be warned or we may lose our freedom forever. If we do not demand our rights and uphold the Constitution, the CFR and bankers will continue their march toward socialism. If we allow them to continue, they will abolish our rights and put an end to our present government. Freedom isn't free

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They also want to accomplish the following, and most of it has already been accomplished:

1. Patriot act
2. Patriot act 2
3. Eliminate the Consitution
4. Bring forth the NWO
5. Bankrupt the USA to bring forth a NWO
6. Scare americans to give up there right in exchange for "security" when you will just get tyranny and a police state.
7. Justify an Iraq & Afganistan War.. With Iraq, Iran, and Afganistan in control ..US Should control all of the Middle East with just those 3 countries.....oh my i hope i dont disppear...
8. Bring forth a Real ID Act, which was passed on 5-11-05, and then the "mark of the beast"
9. To Pretty Much Allow Bush to do anything He wants.


That is why in the PNAC Documents, Cheney said..We need a new Pearl Harbor.

Also, Some of you said they cant even handle a hurricane how can they do 9.11?

The answer is..The had help from criminal ellimates from the U.S. Military....I think...I cant say i am 100% possitive b/c i am not in the military or the government.

But this makes more sense then the offical story..Which 90% believes it to be covere up..

36% Believe it to be an inside job.

I don't know why I'm replying to you, since you completely skipped over my replies to all your points.

They want World Government as well as several other things. I think in order to achieve this, They need to bankrupt all "powerful" USA.
Who is 'they'? Why would 'they' need to bankrupt the US?

For the New World Order to create a one world government, they must control a central bank, eliminate the Constitution, end Christian values, disarm America, and control the media.
Who is the New World Order? Why would they need to destroy only Christian values, what about other values?

The Council on Foreign Relations has openly said they will take us over in favor of a one world government. The American people must be warned or we may lose our freedom forever. If we do not demand our rights and uphold the Constitution, the CFR and bankers will continue their march toward socialism. If we allow them to continue, they will abolish our rights and put an end to our present government. Freedom isn't free
ok... I really should have read through your entire post before I started replying. I didn't realize you saw a conspiracy in everything

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Your evidence is on a religious site??? heh, this is like those satire sites.

They also want to accomplish the following, and most of it has already been accomplished:

1. Patriot act
2. Patriot act 2
3. Eliminate the Consitution
4. Bring forth the NWO
5. Bankrupt the USA to bring forth a NWO
6. Scare americans to give up there right in exchange for "security" when you will just get tyranny and a police state.
7. Justify an Iraq & Afganistan War.. With Iraq, Iran, and Afganistan in control ..US Should control all of the Middle East with just those 3 countries.....oh my i hope i dont disppear...
8. Bring forth a Real ID Act, which was passed on 5-11-05, and then the "mark of the beast"
9. To Pretty Much Allow Bush to do anything He wants.
I noticed you capitalized the h in he. Is Bush actually God?

The answer is..The had help from criminal ellimates from the U.S. Military....I think...I cant say i am 100% possitive b/c i am not in the military or the government.
I am also 100% posssitive that elllimates of your consirpacy group are atually in kahoots wit Him (Bush).

But this makes more sense then the offical story..Which 90% believes it to be covere up..

36% Believe it to be an inside job.

Only 90%? I always thought everyone knew that the US was hiding the fact that it was actually Bush who was piloting all 3 planes from his moon-base.

Infact you're not doing anything different than any other person that doesn't give any of the points made against what you believe, a proper edecuated response, it's simply your word against theirs. You're just ridiculing them. The internet is the internet, their is no reason to try, and look good, if you are embarassed, or feel unpatriotic for questioning the government, or any of the conspiracy theories related, then this is the place to do it. I think you should stop caring who thinks you are wrong, but rather focus on being right. The quest should be for the truth, and if i'm told to seriously look into my government, with these kind of accusations, i'm going to, so far i have no rebutal against any of the conspiracy claims. I simply will say that we did a poor job of securing ourselves, and THAT is a fact.