Both Sons of the great Abraham... these two can be rooted as the reason for the problem of the different people who want to "claim" the land of canaan aka The middle east.

Now im going to give an overview BASED OFF OF THE BIBLE... if anyone would like to share the Jewish or Islam version... i would welcome it.. because Abraham WAS called the "father of three nations".. those being Christianity, Judism, and Islam.

Isaac, the offsring of Sarah and Abraham, was the center of the covenant between God and Abraham. God promised Abraham a son, and that Abrahams descendents would be like "the stars in the sky" and that nations would rise because of them.

Enter Ishmael.. God has been promising Abraham a son, yet Abraham is 86 years old and he and Sarah are yet to have ANY children(Isaac isn't born yet)... So Abraham and Sarah agree that they would use Hagar, a maid-servent, to carry Abraham's child. Hagar becomes pregnant, so God speaks to Abraham, saying that he should name him Ishmael.. and he will be a "Wild Donkey" of a man, disliked by many(Wild Donkey means he will be a nomad, a wanderer in the desert). So Ishmael is born and life goes on.

13 years later.. when Abraham is 99 years old.. God talks to abraham reminding him of his covenant.. that Abraham and Sarah will have a son. Abraham laughs, and askes if a 100 year old man will have a child with a 90 year old woman? God reassures him that in a year's time they will be with child. God only asks that Abraham keep ONE end of the covenant.. circumcision. On the 8th Day, God says that every male shall be circumcized, and that would be the sign and mark of my covenant.

So Sarah becomes pregnant at the age of 90, and God says to name him Isaac. Isaac is circumcized 8 days after he is born... as for the others:

Abraham is circumsized at the ripe age of 99, of course.. he never had the knowledge, nor did his parents, of the covenenant.. so as soon as God told him about circumcision.. Abraham did it.

Ishmael was circumsized at the age of 13, again, because the covenant did not exist when Ishmael was born.

So God blesses Isaac, and says HE is the child with whom God keeps his Covenant.. he DOES include Ishmael, saying he will be the ruler of many nations, but Isaac will be the descendent whom God referred to as springing up MANY nations through the bloodline of Abraham and Sarah.

Now to the juicy part:

The bloodline obviously splits here.. and Ishmael splits off and is responsible for the beginning of the middle eastern religion. The prophet Mohammad is of the direct bloodline of Ishmael. Islam followers, in direct rebellion to what God said to do, do not circumcize their kids until the age of 13, when Ishmael was circumcized.. even though God SAID to do it after 8 days.

Meanwhile.. Isaac, the one who God blessed with his covenant... is traced with the bloodline going all the way down to Jesus Christ, and is responsible for Judism and christianity... supposedly.

So this small little thing.. Ishmael vs. Isaac, is why the middle east is fought over so much.. but in the Bible it seems OBVIOUS who has the rights to the land.. the descendents of Isaac. I am not well versed in Islam or Judism.. but i wonder what they have to say about it. While God DOES bless Ishmael.. he also makes it clear as to whom is to be included in the covenant of descendants who will always own the land of canaan...

Sigh, more Zionist Bullshit.

Israel belongs to "the sons of Abraham" so that includeds christians, jews and muslims.

But even if you want to pull this nonsense about "houses" that still means that Christians should have claim to Israel and so Israels actions against Arab Christians are blashphamy and an afront to god.

28:14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. Genesis 28:14

"[T]here is neither Jew nor Greek; . . . for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:28-29).

Of course there has been genetic studies that suggest that Jews and Palestinians are very very closely related
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/05/000509003653.htm

but don't expect Zionists to ever acknowledge such...

Sigh, more Zionist Bullshit.

whatever.. im no "zionist".. im just reading what the bible says, you can call the bible bullshit all you want, but don't drag me into it. I'm just quoting what the BIBLE says about who is to be the descendent of Abraham who will own the land of Canaan.

Genesis 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

So far, you can include BOTH ishmael and Isaac, here is where it gets interesting:

Genesis 17:19-21 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

The way it is worded here.. it seems that Ishmael is an afterthought. While God blesses him and promises him to be fruitful.. he is not the chosen one who God establishes the covenant with.. that belongs to Isaac.. at least in this translation.

but don't expect Zionists to ever acknowledge such...

Do you blame them for believing the bible? Is the bible wrong? Does God NOT say these things?

More interesting things:

Genesis 17:9-12 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

If God SAYS THIS.. then why does Islam rebel against what God says and circumcize their children at the age of 13? God never says to circumcize at 13, he says to do it after 8 days. The ONLY REASON they do it at 13 is because of Genesis 17:25:

And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

This seems like a purposeful rebellion.. perhaps an act of desperation to have a claim on the land? It reminds me of people claiming money after the parents died and didn't word their will correctly. It seems that if followers of Ishmael truely wanted to do what God said.. they'd circumcize at 8 days.. right? Or is the book of Islam saying the opposite... im asking questions here 500, dont act like im telling people how to think..

Or you know God suppossedly made the covenent with abraham after Ishmaal was born...

Which still doesn't address the fact that Christians are decendants of Isaac and should therefore have claim to Israel.

Muslim religion is just that a world religion without a personal God or salvation.
Alah is not the god of Abraham nor is the name found in scripture. Alah was one of many gods of the Arabs before there was a muslim religion. Israel are the people that God chose for Himself and David a Jew, founded Jerusalem for
his kingdom and Jesus is his son who will sit on Davids throne forever. Titus calls Jesus the great God and Savior ! (Titus 2:13)True Christanity is a relationship with God through Jesus, the Jewish Messiah.

Or you know God suppossedly made the covenent with abraham after Ishmaal was born...

Which still doesn't address the fact that Christians are decendants of Isaac and should therefore have claim to Israel.


God made a covenent with abraham and told him that his children would be
numerous like the sands and stars. Paul tells us that Abraham is the father of
faith and that his children both Jew and gentile are children of faith who come
to God by this new covenant in Christ who full-filled the Jewish Law.