Sgt Pepper was voted by Britain as the #1 all time album..

i guess the countdown went like this:

1 Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band – Beatles
2 Thriller – Michael Jackson
3 The Joshua Tree – U2
4 Rumours – Fleetwood Mac
5 Wish You Were Here – Pink Floyd
6 Revolver – Beatles
7 Bridge Over Troubled Water – Simon & Garfunkel
8 Abbey Road – Beatles
9 A Night At The Opera – Queen
10 The Beatles (The White Album) – Beatles
11 Rubber Soul – Beatles
12 Brothers In Arms – Dire Straits
13 (What’s The Story) Morning Glory? – Oasis
14 Automatic For The People – REM
15 Led Zeppelin IV (Four Symbols) – Led Zeppelin
16 Jagged Little Pill – Alanis Morissette
17 Parallel Lines – Blondie
18 Tubular Bells – Mike Oldfield
19 Led Zeppelin II – Led Zeppelin
20 Band On The Run – Paul McCartney & Wings

I guess i agree with some of it.. the beatles were definitely overrated as usual. it was good to see "automatic for the people" by REM so far up, thats a great album.. and of course "the joshua Tree" is probably arguably one of the best albums of all time...

pot shot of the day: where the hell is Madonna? i thought she was big in britain? LOL

I guess i agree with some of it.. the beatles were definitely overrated as usual. it was good to see "automatic for the people" by REM so far up, thats a great album.. and of course "the joshua Tree" is probably arguably one of the best albums of all time...

I dunno, I think those particular Beatles albums should be on the list. And I agree with you about Automatic and the Joshua Tree. If I'm in the right mood I listen to those two discs one right after the other.

I don't think Oasis should be on there. And as much as I like Paul McCartney's music, it's mindless pop drivel (as catchy as it may be) that's not really worthy of inclusion here.

Along with Lionel's deletions, I'd throw Tubular Bells on the pile as well. At one time I had that album, [on an 8 track tape] and never thought it was all that great.

Along with Lionel's deletions, I'd throw Tubular Bells on the pile as well. At one time I had that album, [on an 8 track tape] and never thought it was all that great.

I've heard the song - is the entire album like that?

From what I remember, yes. The title song was quite popular when I got the tape (columbia tape & record club freebee).

Who is to say Madonna isn't popular in the UK, Decka?

Singles:

Madonna has had 12 number-one singles on the UK singles chart, more than any other female artist.

Madonna has had 47 top-five singles on the UK singles chart, more than any other female artist ever.

Madonna has had 58 top-ten singles on the UK singles chart, more than any other female artist.

Albums:

Madonna has had nine number-one albums on the UK albums chart, more than any other female artist.

Shove it, Decka.

OD - don't turn this into another hysterical diatribe about that singer. You had your opportunity through 2 other threads, one of which was shut down by request.

OD - don't turn this into another hysterical diatribe about that singer. You had your opportunity through 2 other threads, one of which was shut down by request.
Decka brought it up. But since you guys agree (in terms of politics) more often than not, you won't tell him not to turn this into a debate about Madonna.

Decka posted this thread. He mentioned Madonna and tried to take a jab at her not being successful in the UK. Since he started this thread and mentioned Madonna I will assume he does not mind talking about her in this thread. Of course everyone will start blaming me for "bringing it up", which is typical. Everyone seems to do that with me.

There is nothing biased about my statement. Nor is it unfair.

There is nothing biased about my statement. Nor is it unfair.
Yes, there is. DECKA is also turning this thread into another Madonna thread. However you refuse to call him on it, but see no problem calling me on it. I believe you do this because you agree with him more-so on politics and don't like me as much. Period. That makes it unfair that you are only targeting me and bias because you let your personal feelings get in the way of treating board members fairly.

I have a question. Decka brought up Madonna in this thread to begin with, I'm only sticking to an aspect of his post. Why is that so wrong? If the original poster of this thread brings up Madonna I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to.

Not to mention, the second Madonna thread in the music section was not brought up by me and I was asked to comment. I didn't START anything there.

Am I the only one who finds this hysterical?
And maybe a little bit disturbing?
(I don't know whether to laugh or cry.)
Either way, I just put an Alice Cooper CD in, just to cleanse my pallet.

Overdose, my friend.
You are too easily-provoked, (especially on the topic of Ms. Ciccone) and everyone knows it.
They don't even have to try and push your buttons (their fingers only have to hover somewhere near the buttons), and you fly off the handle in a profoundly defensive manner.

Don't take the bait, brother.
Just let it roll off your back like water off a duck.
Madonna is awesome, whether she is performing in England or in New England.
Let's just leave it at that, m'kay?
;)

I know I am too easily-provoked and I let people like Decka piss me off to no end. But, hey, that's just me.

66 - Music
64 - True Blue
47 - Like A Virgin
37 - Confessions On A Dance Floor
35 - Like A Prayer
24 - Ray Of Light

Those were what positions Madonna's CD's were in on that "poll". Aside from having tons of #1 singles/#1 albums they DO think her CD's are of high quality.

Yes i agree... you are correct.. od DOES fly off the handle WAYYY too easy..

pot shot of the day: where the hell is Madonna? i thought she was big in britain? LOL

i guess me labeling it "pot shot of the day" didn't show the sarcasm and the joke that was played around it.. but hey now that OD's true feelings are out there.. lets do it.

[quote]
Singles:

Madonna has had 12 number-one singles on the UK singles chart, more than any other female artist.

Madonna has had 47 top-five singles on the UK singles chart, more than any other female artist ever.

Madonna has had 58 top-ten singles on the UK singles chart, more than any other female artist.

Albums:

Madonna has had nine number-one albums on the UK albums chart, more than any other female artist.'

Do i see a circular line of reasoning going on here? If she was so damned great.. wouldnt her shit be skyrocketing up the voting? Charts can be iffy.. i mean a vote like this kind of sums up who are the studs.. and you quoted the list as saying Madonna had some albums on the top 100 list.. and good for her.. all im saying is that if she's the musical legend and pop icon GOD that you make her out to be.. i mean, if she gives mozart a run for his money in musical ability like you say or hint.. wouldnt her shit be at least top 20? She had like what six albums up there? thats good.. but hey i would say she's a decent overall entertainer but obviously she's not the top.. she's not the rocky balboa of boxing, she's not the Micheal Jordan of basketball... sorry to say such MEANNN things about your hero but when someone is drinking the madonna coolaid sometimes you just have to nudge them a bit and tell them not to try to make her into more than what she is.. and that is a dance music, visual entertainer who relies on sex to get up the "valued UK charts" that you so heavily rely on.

And keep in mind.. this is JUST british people voting here.. voting on different #1 albums over the years.

Oh.. and i just thought i'd throw this in there:

3. U2 - Joshua Tree
48. U2 - Unforgettable Fire
61. U2 - Rattle and Hum
63. U2 - How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb(Album of the year says the grammies;) )
68. U2 - War
82. U2 - All That you can't leave behind

I'll actually take this time.. since i've now officially hijacked my own thread.. to go into a little U2 discussion. Im sure everyone is all about the juicy dramatic stuff that i said about Madonna and OD up top.. but if you listen to U2 like me you HAVE to be suprised at the glaring albums that are missing off this list... I mean.. Achtung Baby is arguably their 2nd best album, and its not even on there. Zooropa, the album they made while on tour in 1993 was HUGE over in europe.. and was all over MTV here in the states.. isn't on either... I had to check like three times because i could swear Achtung should probably be mid 30's... anyone else in agreement or am i just crazy?

Do i see a circular line of reasoning going on here? If she was so damned great.. wouldnt her shit be skyrocketing up the voting? Charts can be iffy.. i mean a vote like this kind of sums up who are the studs.. and you quoted the list as saying Madonna had some albums on the top 100 list.. and good for her.. all im saying is that if she's the musical legend and pop icon GOD that you make her out to be.. i mean, if she gives mozart a run for his money in musical ability like you say or hint.. wouldnt her shit be at least top 20?
I have never said her musical ability is the greatest in the world, nor have I said she is the strongest musician or even in the top 20 greatest musicians ever. I have said, and still believe, that Madonna is a strong (not the greatest) musician and does not get enough credit. As for her being a cultural and pop icon, well, I don’t think that can be disputed.

She had like what six albums up there? thats good.. but hey i would say she's a decent overall entertainer but obviously she's not the top..
I haven’t stated she is at the top, either.

she's not the rocky balboa of boxing, she's not the Micheal Jordan of basketball... sorry to say such MEANNN things about your hero but when someone is drinking the madonna coolaid sometimes you just have to nudge them a bit and tell them not to try to make her into more than what she is.. and that is a dance music, visual entertainer who relies on sex to get up the "valued UK charts" that you so heavily rely on.
Tired rant, nothing more.

And keep in mind.. this is JUST british people voting here.. voting on different #1 albums over the years.
Great? I’m not trying to “prove” her albums are the best ever, nor am I trying to show that she is a strong musician. I had that debate in a previous thread. In this debate you mocked the idea that she was popular in the UK. I have shown you that she has more #1 singles and albums than any other female artist, which thus proves she is extremely popular in the UK. Period.

Not to mention for a little “pop” artist, she sure as hell has a lot of albums listed in the 100 greatest albums of all time. I mean, there are thousands of artists and albums. To have your album even be the 100th best album of all time is a huge accomplishment. Madonna has several on this list. Which suggests that she isn’t the greatest musician of all time, but is clearly not the worst. Which is what I have been saying all along. Hell, her CD "Ray of Light" is 24th. That is basically in the Top 20. SUCK it up.

Madonna has more #1 hits in more countries than any female artist and has won countless awards. Everyone knows her name and her recent single "Hung Up" is her most successful single of ALL TIME. Charting #1 in more countries for a longer amount of time than any other single she has produced. She is a pop icon that won't go away, ever.

PS: She has more albums that are charted higher up on the list than U2, correct?

*sigh*

(Drums fingers on the computer table. Starts to post something, and then thinks better of it. Logs out.)
:@@:

Dear god...

Please stop the hysterical crying, Overdose. You're getting my computer monitor all wet.

Frogger’s 100 Best Albums Of All Times (in no particular order)

The Sun Sessions……………Elvis Presley
Blonde On Blonde…………...Bob Dylan
Tapestry……………..Carole King
Legend……………..Bob Marley
Sticky Fingers………..Rolling Stones
Graceland…………..Paul Simon
The Wall…………Pink Floyd
Green River……….Creedence Clearwater Revival
In The Week Small Hours…………Frank Sinatra
Fresh Cream……………..Cream
Pearl………….Janice Joplin
40 Greatest Hits……………..Hank Williams
Before The Next Teardrop Falls………..Freddie Fender
Moanin’ In The Moonlight………….Howlin’ Wolf
Exidus……………..Bob Marley
Highway To Hell………….AC/DC
Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme……….Simon and Garfunkel
Disraeli Gears………….Cream
Diggy Diggy Lo………………..Doug Kershaw
Abraxas…………Santana
Proud Mary……………..Ike and Tina Turner
Quadrophenia…………….The Who
Ghost In The Machine…………The Police
The Slim Shady LP………..Eminem
Slow Hand……………Eric Clapton
Cheap Thrills………….Big Brother and the Holding Company with Janis Joplin
Highwayman……………Waylon Jennings, Johnny Cash, Kris Kristofferson, Willie Nelson
Woodstock………..Various Artists
Bat Out Of Hell……………..Meatloaf
Eliminator……………….ZZ Topp
Violator…………..DePeche Mode
Best of the Platters………………..The Platters
The White Album …………….The Beatles\
Joshua Tree…………U2
Live At Folsom Prison………..Johnny Cash
Aja………………Steely Dan
Tommy………………..The Who
Synchronicity…………………The Police
Appetite For Destruction………….Guns and Roses
Wildwood Flower……………The Carter Family
Child Is Father To The Man………..Blood, Sweat and Tears
Hotel California……………..The Eagles
Doors……………….The Doors
Thriller……………….Michael Jackson
Surrealistic Pillow……………..Jefferson Airplane
Piano Man……………..Billy Joel
Unplugged………………Eric Clapton
Chicago…………..The Chicago Transit Authority (Later CTA, still later Chicago)
Honkytonkin’……………Hank Willilams
John Prine…………….John Prine
Time The Revelator……………Gilllian Welch
Wrecking Ball…………Emmylou Harris
Dookie……………Greenday
Band of Gypsies………..Jimi Hendrix
Velvet Underground………..Velvet Underground
Wanted, the Outlaws…………..Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, Jessie Coulter, Tompall Glaser
Piper At The Gates Of Dawn…………Pink Floyd
John Wesley Harding……………Bob Dylan
Fear of Music…………Talking Heads
Right Place, Wrong Time, Otis Rush
File Under Rock……………Various Artists
Ramones……………..The Ramones
Live at San Quentin………..Johnny Cash
Let’s Stay Together…………….Al Green
Californifcation……….Red Hot Chili Peppers
Traveling Wilburys…………Traveling Wilburys
Rattle and Hum…………..U2
Breakfast In America………….Supertramp
20 Finger EP………..20 Fingers
Jesus Christ Superstar…………Various Artists
Oh Brother Where Art Thou………….Various Artists
Desperado…………….The Eagles
Surfacing…………..Sarah McGlachlan
In Search of the Lost Chord…………Moody Blues
Other Vices, Other Rooms………Nanci Griffith
Will the Circle Be Unbroken…………Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
Otis Blues……………Otis Redding
Lynard Skynard Pronounced Lynard Skynard…………Lynard Skynard
In-A-Gadda-D-Vida………….Iron Butterfly
Changes of Latitude, Changes of Attitude………….Jimmy Buffet
Mad Dogs and Englishmen………….Joe Cocker
Q: Are We Men, A: We Are Devo………….Devo
Les Miz Cast Album…………Various Artists
New Favorites……………….Allison Kraus and Union Station
Jagged Little Pill…………Alanis Morissette
Come On Over…………………Shania Twain
Hot Rocks…………….Rolling Stones
Flight of the Cosmic Hippo…………..Bela Fleck and the Flecktones
The Ramones…………..The Ramones
UP Your Alley……………Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
The Very Best of the Coasters…………..The Coasters
Memorial Album……………Johnny Ace
Schubert Lieder…………….Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau
The World of Freddie Quinn……………Freddie Quinn
Volare………….The Gipsy Kings
Confessin’ the Blues………….Little Walter

Many of these probably won’t be found on your list of favorite albums and there are probably quite a few you have never heard of but I like them.

Frogger,
Nice selections, sir. A few of those made my top 100 list as well.

I do agree that Brit rock epitomized cool among the worlds rock afficionado's for many years, and that quite a bit of cutting edge music still comes from the United Kingdom and surrounding isles. (U2 obviously included.)

You’d be surprised at how much cutting edge music there is to be found right here in the USA, though. Here is a partial list of titles and artists that can be sampled, if you are simply willing to travel to the 'out of the way' bars and clubs of the nations heartland to give a listen;

**** “Cow Tipping” by Slim Hayseed and the John Deere Quartet
An eclectic blend of contemporary country, traditional western swing, and road-house blues. Not for the feint of heart. I cried.

*** “Tornado in the Trailer Park” by K.D. Etheridge
Lesbian roots-rock at it’s finest. No nonsense guitar music from sturdy girls in sensible shoes. Pack your fat ass in your most faded Levis, don your bulkiest flannel work shirt, and go see this act live.

**** “Broken Hearts and Breaking Wind” by The Platte County Inmates
Not since Johnny Cash played to a captive audience at Folsum Prison in 1968 has the sounds (and smells) of hard men doing hard time been performed so viscerally. Give this tune a listen, and you won’t be asking for parole.

** “Chitty Chitty Bon Bon” and “Living La Vida Disney” by Dick Van Martin
A quirky, campy blend of Latin rock, jazz fusion, and Mary Poppins show tunes. Must be seen to be believed. Again, I cried, but not very hard this time.

*** “Flooded at the Crossroads” by Lightning Fast Steve and The Repeat Offenders
Thick, smoldering, char-broiled blues, smoking hot and dripping with Barbeque sauce. L.F.S.’s incendiary guitar fretwork is indeed lightning fast. In fact, while the rhythm section is still on the opening number, Steve is usually up to the guitar solo from the third or fourth song. He’s that fast. I didn’t cry, but I got choked up, and felt a little depressed for days.

For a complete listing of tour dates and venues, go to www.dancingfarmers.com
:rolleyes:

Which artist recorded that ever popular prison ditty, "My Cellmate Thinks I'm Sexy"? I've done a bit of research, but the information is not readily available.

That would be Cletus T. Judd, Fan. It's one of the songs on his album, Just Another Day In Parodies,

Artist/Band: Cledus T. Judd
Lyrics for Song: My Cellmate Thinks I'm Sexy
Lyrics for Album: Just Another Day In Parodies
Parody of "She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy" by Kenny Chesney (Paul Overstreet/Joe Collins), Scarlett Moon Musin (admin. by CMI)/EMI Blackwood Music, Inc./Jelinda Music (BMI)
New lyrics by Cledus T. Judd/Chris Clark, Cledus Crap Anthems (SESAC)/Of Music, Inc. (SESAC)

Hi-Ho Silver AWAY

After my show thought I'd have a little fun
Hopped on a horse Lord he sure could run
Well I got a butt kickin when the police finally caught me

Give me back my horse

Not a moment too soon Tim McGraw jumped in
Did his best Jackie Chan got a cop on the chin
Now I don't understand why they's arresting me

My cellmate thinks I'm sexy
I really turn him on
He's always staring at me
When them guards are gone

I'm running out of cigarettes
He's asking me to dance
He say's I'm looking good
In these orange pants
I really wish Tim McGraw was here to protect me…
My cellmate thinks I'm sexy…

I'd give anything to be back on my bus
I'm hiding in my bunk but he's climbing on up
Swears all he wants me to do is sing him one of my songs

Says he's got a dream I'm afraid of what it is
You're never gonna see me on a horse after this
I only get one call I hope Faith is home

Answer the phone

My cellmate thinks I'm sexy
He just won't leave me alone
He's blowing kisses at me
And I'm a duckin' 'em all

I hate to break it to him
I'm in no mood for romance
What part of NO don't this fool understand
I'm in big trouble if someone don't come and get me
My cellmate thinks I'm sexy

Well one day behind bars is long enough
Cause when I drop that soap oh his eyes light up

My cellmate thinks I UH
My cellmate thinks I'm sexy
I really turn him on
My name is Kenny Chesney
This ain't nowhere I belong

Me and Tim's in trouble
Buddy one thing is for sure
George Strait's gonna kick us off his George Strait Tour
I'd call Tracy Lawrence but he's in the next cell beside me
My cellmate thinks I'm sexy

My Cellmate Thinks I'm sexy

UH

I had him from hello

WAZZUP!!!!!!

Hey Frogger, who the hell is "Lynard Skynard"?

I have never said her musical ability is the greatest in the world, nor have I said she is the strongest musician or even in the top 20 greatest musicians ever. I have said, and still believe, that Madonna is a strong (not the greatest) musician and does not get enough credit. As for her being a cultural and pop icon, well, I don’t think that can be disputed.

well.. its nice to see everything cleared.. all the shades of grey blackened or whitened... the way you worded that makes me agree.. i mean, you personally can think she doesnt get enough credit... but for the most part the reaction i have gotten from you is that im crazy to not think Madonna is a great musician. And thats crazy in itself.. because her musical ability is not why she got big in the first place...


Great? I’m not trying to “prove” her albums are the best ever, nor am I trying to show that she is a strong musician. I had that debate in a previous thread. In this debate you mocked the idea that she was popular in the UK. I have shown you that she has more #1 singles and albums than any other female artist, which thus proves she is extremely popular in the UK. Period.

hey... im just saying if she was EXTREMELY popular, than she'd be like #1 over there right? i would say the beatles are EXTREMELY popular because they cleaned up... maybe Madonna is more "mildly popular" or just plain "popular" in the UK??? i would say thats correct.


Not to mention for a little “pop” artist, she sure as hell has a lot of albums listed in the 100 greatest albums of all time. I mean, there are thousands of artists and albums. To have your album even be the 100th best album of all time is a huge accomplishment. Madonna has several on this list. Which suggests that she isn’t the greatest musician of all time, but is clearly not the worst. Which is what I have been saying all along. Hell, her CD "Ray of Light" is 24th. That is basically in the Top 20. SUCK it up.

I never said Madonna was the worst musican.. so when you say you've been saying that "all along".. im not really sure who you're talking to. I agree, its an accomplishment to get up on that list.. and i congratulate her..

and since when is 24 in the "top 20"? LOL i'll let that one go im just poking fun.


Madonna has more #1 hits in more countries than any female artist and has won countless awards.

noone has said otherwise


Everyone knows her name and her recent single "Hung Up" is her most successful single of ALL TIME.

everyone knows "Vanilla Ice" too.. everyone knows metallica, everone knows pink floyd.. dont get all caught up on her name... and the song "hung up" is not much of a great song IMO.. ill dispute it IN DETAIL in a whole thread if you want... i know you'll say "BUT THE CHARTS SAY ITS SOO GOOD" .. unfortunately.. its really not that good of a song. Its very musically unstimulating, simple, and not to mention the video really sucks... i thought you said she went to dance school? i think i could have been one of the line dancers out there, she should fire her choreographer. She should have been busting out dance moves but instead it looked like the electric slide or something...

i mean.. they hired some good OTHER dancers on there.. but then again you'd never know if they were good because alot of it was in slow motion... and thats a golden rule of music videos:

If you can't dance.. just dance in slow motion on your music video and you can cover for your lack of ability to dance.


She is a pop icon that won't go away, ever.


Never said she would.. just becuase im arguing against your position of the "elevated status of Madonna" doesn't mean i hate her or think she sucks or something.. i like a few of her songs..


PS: She has more albums that are charted higher up on the list than U2, correct?

Oooo back to the Madonna/U2 debate... well sorry to say but U2 has something that trumps ANYTHING you can say on this thread about the latest voting.. and that is #3 Joshua Tree... That album is one of the great musical masterpieces of all time.. and Madonna has never produced anything close to it. While she DID have more albums in the 40's and such and U2 was more in the 60's... i can use YOUR OWN words to refute what you're hinting at here:

I mean, there are thousands of artists and albums. To have your album even be the 100th best album of all time is a huge accomplishment.

There ya go.. peace im out.

well.. its nice to see everything cleared.. all the shades of grey blackened or whitened... the way you worded that makes me agree.. i mean, you personally can think she doesnt get enough credit... but for the most part the reaction i have gotten from you is that im crazy to not think Madonna is a great musician. And thats crazy in itself.. because her musical ability is not why she got big in the first place...
Actually, her musical talent allowed her to get a record deal and become popular in the African American community (where they thought she was a black artist at first) which pushed her first few singles to the top of the charts. Which then allowed her to become more expressive with her music/stage performances which made her extremely popular.

hey... im just saying if she was EXTREMELY popular, than she'd be like #1 over there right? i would say the beatles are EXTREMELY popular because they cleaned up... maybe Madonna is more "mildly popular" or just plain "popular" in the UK??? i would say thats correct.
Decka, you just don't get it do you? This is a list about musical talent, not about proving who is or isn't "popular" in the UK. Madonna can still be far more popular than most everyone on that list, but not have the best "musical talent". If there was a poll about who is your favorite artist or a poll about who are the most famous artists ever, Madonna would be in the Top 5, rest assured. And honestly, I don't think this "poll" is as important as having #1 singles and #1 albums, where Madonna has more than any other female artist by a long shot. Which suggests she is the most popular/famous female artist in the UK. Which makes her the female version of Elvis or someone of his level of fame.

I never said Madonna was the worst musican.. so when you say you've been saying that "all along".. im not really sure who you're talking to. I agree, its an accomplishment to get up on that list.. and i congratulate her..
Good, I'm GLAD you congratulate her.

and since when is 24 in the "top 20"? LOL i'll let that one go im just poking fun.
4 away, not that bad IMO.

noone has said otherwise
Good. Because you are trying to make it seem like she isn't "popular" in the UK, when really, Madonna is the most successful/popular and famous female artist ever in the UK. Her concerts sold out there recently and her latest singles have SHOT to the top of the charts there.

everyone knows "Vanilla Ice" too.. everyone knows metallica, everone knows pink floyd.. dont get all caught up on her name... and the song "hung up" is not much of a great song IMO.. ill dispute it IN DETAIL in a whole thread if you want... i know you'll say "BUT THE CHARTS SAY ITS SOO GOOD" .. unfortunately.. its really not that good of a song. Its very musically unstimulating, simple, and not to mention the video really sucks... i thought you said she went to dance school? i think i could have been one of the line dancers out there, she should fire her choreographer. She should have been busting out dance moves but instead it looked like the electric slide or something...
1. Kids today don't know Vanilla Ice, Metallica or Pink Floyd. Hell, my sister's basketball team knows like none of those people. However they INCLUDED Madonna's song "Hung Up" on their basketball CD. This CD had what was popular today on it and Madonna was on it. For any artist to have that kind of staying power is amazing.
2. I'm not trying to say "Hung Up" was a GREAT song or was a MUSICALLY talented song. Why you are bringing that up is BEYOND me. I am saying that she is more successful/popular NOW than EVER before. That song was #1 in Europe for almost 2 months and charted #1 in OVER 30 countries. That means she is going strong after being in the business for over 30 years. Which makes her a living legend.

If you can't dance.. just dance in slow motion on your music video and you can cover for your lack of ability to dance.
God you know nothing. She was in a horse riding accident a month or so before shooting that video. She broke ribs, bones and was in the hospital for awhile. Plus, she is almost 50. Give her a break, Decka.

Oooo back to the Madonna/U2 debate... well sorry to say but U2 has something that trumps ANYTHING you can say on this thread about the latest voting.. and that is #3 Joshua Tree... That album is one of the great musical masterpieces of all time.. and Madonna has never produced anything close to it. While she DID have more albums in the 40's and such and U2 was more in the 60's... i can use YOUR OWN words to refute what you're hinting at here:
Again, I'm just pointing out that Madonna did NOT do that bad in that list. That's all I'm saying.

The full top 10 goes as follow:

01. The Beatles 40 400,000,000 UK 60s (1962-1970) Rock/Pop Guinness/EMI
02. Michael Jackson 14 350,000,000 US 70s-00s (1979-) Pop/R&B MJ Stats
03. Elvis Presley 150 300,000,000 US 50s-70s (1956-1977) Country/Rock
04. Madonna 16 275,000,000 US 80s-00s (1984-) Pop WBR [1]
05. Nana Mouskouri 450 250,000,000 Greece 60s-00s (1959-) Pop [2][3]
06. Cliff Richard 60 250,000,000 UK 50s-00s (1959-1969,1977-1979,1986-1999) Rock/Pop [4]
07.The Rolling Stones 54 ~250,000,000 UK 60s-00s (1964-1981) Rock 60.5 million in the US [5]
08. Mariah Carey 14 230,000,000 US 90s-00s (1990-) Pop/R&B
09. Elton John 43 ~220,000,000 UK 70s-00s (1972-1976,1989-1991,1997-) Pop [6]
10.Celine Dion 21 220,000,000 Canada 80s-00s (1990-) Pop Music/Pop Discography

Where is U2?

Ahh and is that Madonna at #4? Why, yes it is! The biggest selling female artist of all time with more #1 singles in more countries than any other female artist?

Oh yeah, that's right. She isn't that much of a "legend" being up there with Elivs and The Beatles.

Actually, her musical talent allowed her to get a record deal and become popular in the African American community (where they thought she was a black artist at first) which pushed her first few singles to the top of the charts. Which then allowed her to become more expressive with her music/stage performances which made her extremely popular.

come on now OD.. you can't bullshit a bullshitter LOL...

i dont doubt that way back someone gave her a record deal.. they probably liked her music and gave her a chance.. that happens quite often if you actually go out and try to do it.

My opinion is that if it WASNT for her VISUAL appeal, her controversial behavior, her sexual innuendos.. she WOULDNT be as popular as she ever was... she NEEDED that to be noticed.. and many people agree with me. Its not like its a BAD thing.. you agree that Madonna isn't the best musician.. why cant you just admit that she needed the coney bra to get popular in the "big time" world?


Decka, you just don't get it do you? This is a list about musical talent, not about proving who is or isn't "popular" in the UK.


I don't get "it"? maybe i don't get "how you think".. but "how you think" isn't "it"..

This poll... i think.. is a reflection of what albums actually stuck in britains musical/entertainment community. This isn't just a "musical talent list".. if it was JUST music, Micheal Jackson wouldnt be #2 thats for sure.


Madonna can still be far more popular than most everyone on that list, but not have the best "musical talent".

I agree.. many people in today's society don't need solid musical ability to like a successful musical artist... which is sad... because it takes away from people who actually deserve acclaim for their talents.

I dont see sucky basketball player, or even okay basketball players, being named MVP in the NBA.. thats for sure.


If there was a poll about who is your favorite artist or a poll about who are the most famous artists ever, Madonna would be in the Top 5, rest assured.

if you say so.. Micheal Jackson would be too.. and thats why i always question popularity in music... because some of the time its deserved and other times its really just a physical/entertainment thing. Some things are just wrong in today's world LOL....


And honestly, I don't think this "poll" is as important as having #1 singles and #1 albums, where Madonna has more than any other female artist by a long shot. Which suggests she is the most popular/famous female artist in the UK. Which makes her the female version of Elvis or someone of his level of fame.

I dont think anyone can judge as to what is more important.. the way they chart music today is much too vague...

Maybe i misquoted my potshot... i dont deny madonna's popularity. i question whether she got it through musical talent. You say she's a great musician, i say she's all bells and whistles. I say people like her, Micheal Jackson, Elvis(even though he could play a mean guitar) took the cheap route.... i mean, hey i dont blame them. Humans are greedy, they all saw a route to become millionaires, and they took it. I might have done the same thing... but at least looking back i might admit that yea maybe i WAS kind of a sleeze who capitalized on something UNmusical to become big in music. I am trying to distinguish between the SHOW people and the ACTUAL MUSICIANS who didnt have to be all over tabloids and videos to become famous. Madonna needed that... U2, Bob Dylan, Metallica, etc. all didnt... in my opinion.



Good, I'm GLAD you congratulate her.

i dont let bias get in the way of the obvious... like some people..


4 away, not that bad IMO.

not at all.. she had alot of albums up there.. but maybe she just never had a through and through GREAT album? i mean.. DARE i say that?


Good. Because you are trying to make it seem like she isn't "popular" in the UK, when really, Madonna is the most successful/popular and famous female artist ever in the UK. Her concerts sold out there recently and her latest singles have SHOT to the top of the charts there.

Number of times OD has reminded me that Madonna is the most famous female artist in the UK: umm i cant count that high lol

most famous is questionable.. maybe she has the most record sales.. but that doesnt tell the WHOLE story either. I dont mind if she IS the most famous "female artist" in the UK... congrats.. your boobs sure did alot for you.


1. Kids today don't know Vanilla Ice, Metallica or Pink Floyd. Hell, my sister's basketball team knows like none of those people. However they INCLUDED Madonna's song "Hung Up" on their basketball CD. This CD had what was popular today on it and Madonna was on it. For any artist to have that kind of staying power is amazing.

Are you kidding me? wow either your sister's basketball team is a bunch of blonde retards or .... no.. i wont go there. I can actually quite perfectly see WHY they wouldnt know who those people are--->they arent on MTV. MTV controls kids view on music.. and that is the truth. They control ALOT MORE than that actually.. but i honestly only expect your sisters basketball team to know what is on MTV or VH1.. and not ANYTHING that isnt. And why is that? Its actually quite psychological... girls in high school NEED... ABSOLUTELY NEED to be popular.. so they will associate themselves with what is popular... its pretty much an act of desperation, and while its pretty sad that people can't express who they really are... its the way the world works. Tell them to acutally go back and listen to stuff that was NEW.. not the recycled stuff of today. do me a favor...


2. I'm not trying to say "Hung Up" was a GREAT song or was a MUSICALLY talented song. Why you are bringing that up is BEYOND me.

Im bringing it up because you said THIS:

Everyone knows her name and her recent single "Hung Up" is her most successful single of ALL TIME.

somehow i doubt this.. its hard to know what you mean by that. her "most successful single"? Does that mean its her best? does that mean she won the most awards off it? or how about did she make the most money off it? I can never be sure because you quite often clump them all together when they are all VERY SEPERATE THINGS.

I am saying that she is more successful/popular NOW than EVER before. That song was #1 in Europe for almost 2 months and charted #1 in OVER 30 countries. That means she is going strong after being in the business for over 30 years. Which makes her a living legend.

she IS a living legend.. just not a living musical legend. She's a pop tabliod icon.. who just happens to play music... IMO.


God you know nothing. She was in a horse riding accident a month or so before shooting that video. She broke ribs, bones and was in the hospital for awhile. Plus, she is almost 50. Give her a break, Decka.

Well maybe she should have delayed shooting the video instead of looking like a weak dancer. Not very smart on her part. I would have thought the "image is everything" person would have done something to prevent that.


Again, I'm just pointing out that Madonna did NOT do that bad in that list. That's all I'm saying.


No she didn't.. but i would say she did VERY BAD after listening to YOU talk about her... i was expecting her to own at least 5 spots in the top 20. Maybe you should tone down "madonna is God"-type talk....

The full top 10 goes as follow:

01. The Beatles 40 400,000,000 UK 60s (1962-1970) Rock/Pop Guinness/EMI
02. Michael Jackson 14 350,000,000 US 70s-00s (1979-) Pop/R&B MJ Stats
03. Elvis Presley 150 300,000,000 US 50s-70s (1956-1977) Country/Rock
04. Madonna 16 275,000,000 US 80s-00s (1984-) Pop WBR [1]
05. Nana Mouskouri 450 250,000,000 Greece 60s-00s (1959-) Pop [2][3]
06. Cliff Richard 60 250,000,000 UK 50s-00s (1959-1969,1977-1979,1986-1999) Rock/Pop [4]
07.The Rolling Stones 54 ~250,000,000 UK 60s-00s (1964-1981) Rock 60.5 million in the US [5]
08. Mariah Carey 14 230,000,000 US 90s-00s (1990-) Pop/R&B
09. Elton John 43 ~220,000,000 UK 70s-00s (1972-1976,1989-1991,1997-) Pop [6]
10.Celine Dion 21 220,000,000 Canada 80s-00s (1990-) Pop Music/Pop Discography

Where is U2?

They are on tour right now:lolhit:

hey im not sure.. i dont know what this list is. or what its trying to tell me. can you throw a source out there?

Ahh and is that Madonna at #4? Why, yes it is! The biggest selling female artist of all time with more #1 singles in more countries than any other female artist?

Number of times OD has told me about Madonna being the #1 "female artist" of "all time": I DAMN sure cant count that high

I guess i can sum up what im saying with one good little line here:

If someone like Madonna can sell more musical albums then someone like U2.. then obviously it pays to be sleezy and tabloid-friendly.. and not to be musical and working toward good causes... and there's just something not right about that. I guess its the same thing as the "nice guy always finishes last" line.

You can try to gloat to me all you want about Madonna's "record sales" or "fame"... and how its "more" than U2's in some categories. I know this.. and i know that its what's wrong with music. The thing that what you can SURE count on is people who have TRAINED EARS IN MUSIC saying U2 is far superior to Madonna in musical talent and ability... that is the outright gospel truth.

My opinion is that if it WASNT for her VISUAL appeal, her controversial behavior, her sexual innuendos.. she WOULDNT be as popular as she ever was... she NEEDED that to be noticed.. and many people agree with me. Its not like its a BAD thing.. you agree that Madonna isn't the best musician.. why cant you just admit that she needed the coney bra to get popular in the "big time" world?
When have I denied this? As with almost every icon they have things about them that make them controversial. Madonna isn't just a musician, she is an icon and she is an icon because of all those things you mentioned.

This poll... i think.. is a reflection of what albums actually stuck in britains musical/entertainment community. This isn't just a "musical talent list".. if it was JUST music, Micheal Jackson wouldnt be #2 thats for sure.
We can, then, disagree on what this poll actually means. However I don't think this poll means much and Madonna is on this list, several times. Also, your jab at the idea that "Madonna hasn't stuck around" because her album isn't high on the list is laughable. Her latest CD/singles have been successful in the UK, period.

I agree.. many people in today's society don't need solid musical ability to like a successful musical artist... which is sad... because it takes away from people who actually deserve acclaim for their talents.

I dont see sucky basketball player, or even okay basketball players, being named MVP in the NBA.. thats for sure.

if you say so.. Micheal Jackson would be too.. and thats why i always question popularity in music... because some of the time its deserved and other times its really just a physical/entertainment thing. Some things are just wrong in today's world LOL....
This has to do with what?

Maybe i misquoted my potshot... i dont deny madonna's popularity.
You denied her popularity in your "potshot"...

i question whether she got it through musical talent. You say she's a great musician, i say she's all bells and whistles. I say people like her, Micheal Jackson, Elvis(even though he could play a mean guitar) took the cheap route.... i mean, hey i dont blame them. Humans are greedy, they all saw a route to become millionaires, and they took it. I might have done the same thing... but at least looking back i might admit that yea maybe i WAS kind of a sleeze who capitalized on something UNmusical to become big in music. I am trying to distinguish between the SHOW people and the ACTUAL MUSICIANS who didnt have to be all over tabloids and videos to become famous. Madonna needed that... U2, Bob Dylan, Metallica, etc. all didnt... in my opinion.
U2, Bob Dylan, Metallica etc. won't ever be as famous or as talked about as Madonna. As you said, this is because Madonna has pushed the buttons of society. And if pushing the buttons of society is a "cheap way to fame" than so be it. Being an icon isn't just about being good at making music or being a movie star, but doing something that separates you from the rest.

i dont let bias get in the way of the obvious... like some people..
ROFL

not at all.. she had alot of albums up there.. but maybe she just never had a through and through GREAT album? i mean.. DARE i say that?
No, she hasn't. In most of her albums she has a lot of filler songs. When did I say she had a great album all the way through?

most famous is questionable.. maybe she has the most record sales.. but that doesnt tell the WHOLE story either. I dont mind if she IS the most famous "female artist" in the UK... congrats.. your boobs sure did alot for you.
Sex does not always sell music. Paris Hilton is sexy, yet her CD/singles aren't selling. And I would add that if all Madonna had was sex, she wouldn't be the most successful female artist ever.

Are you kidding me? wow either your sister's basketball team is a bunch of blonde retards or .... no.. i wont go there. I can actually quite perfectly see WHY they wouldnt know who those people are--->they arent on MTV. MTV controls kids view on music.. and that is the truth. They control ALOT MORE than that actually.. but i honestly only expect your sisters basketball team to know what is on MTV or VH1.. and not ANYTHING that isnt. And why is that? Its actually quite psychological... girls in high school NEED... ABSOLUTELY NEED to be popular.. so they will associate themselves with what is popular... its pretty much an act of desperation, and while its pretty sad that people can't express who they really are... its the way the world works. Tell them to acutally go back and listen to stuff that was NEW.. not the recycled stuff of today. do me a favor...
I'm glad to hear your rant on MTV, but my point still stands. Madonna is popular with the youth of today, almost as much so as she was with the youth of the 80's. That says something.

somehow i doubt this.. its hard to know what you mean by that. her "most successful single"? Does that mean its her best? does that mean she won the most awards off it? or how about did she make the most money off it? I can never be sure because you quite often clump them all together when they are all VERY SEPERATE THINGS.
Why don't you ask before you assume what I mean by "most successful"? Because most successful to me means chart success.

she IS a living legend.. just not a living musical legend. She's a pop tabliod icon.. who just happens to play music... IMO.
I never said she is a musical legend. I have only said she is an icon in pop culture, who happens to be a slightly above average musician.

Well maybe she should have delayed shooting the video instead of looking like a weak dancer. Not very smart on her part. I would have thought the "image is everything" person would have done something to prevent that.
She isn't "image is everything" nor should she have to delay that video because she is somewhat weak.

No she didn't.. but i would say she did VERY BAD after listening to YOU talk about her... i was expecting her to own at least 5 spots in the top 20. Maybe you should tone down "madonna is God"-type talk....
Ummm, this is a poll. How scientific is it?

If someone like Madonna can sell more musical albums then someone like U2.. then obviously it pays to be sleezy and tabloid-friendly.. and not to be musical and working toward good causes... and there's just something not right about that. I guess its the same thing as the "nice guy always finishes last" line.
I disagree. She isn't "sleezy", everything she has done has been for a reason. To push the buttons of society and push a political message. You assume she has done everything for selfish reasons and is a cold-hearted bitch who only cares about money.

You can try to gloat to me all you want about Madonna's "record sales" or "fame"... and how its "more" than U2's in some categories. I know this.. and i know that its what's wrong with music. The thing that what you can SURE count on is people who have TRAINED EARS IN MUSIC saying U2 is far superior to Madonna in musical talent and ability... that is the outright gospel truth.
I have never denied they are better musicians. The only things I have been saying are that...

1. Madonna is not the greatest musician, but is not the worst and is slightly above average in terms of being a good musician.
2. That Madonna is a cultural icon and a living legend who is still very successful even to this day.

PS: That list in my previous post is of the highest selling artists of all time.

Alot has been said... alot has has been cleared. I wouldn't mind attempting to find some closure to this discussion because pretty soon we will be doing nothing but repeating what we have said before... there are a few points that i thought you were all about.. and some of it has been corrected... some things i think you thought i was about... and it being corrected...




When have I denied this? As with almost every icon they have things about them that make them controversial. Madonna isn't just a musician, she is an icon and she is an icon because of all those things you mentioned.


I remember you denying it in the previous thread... the one that was closed... your main thing on there was how great of a musician Madonna was... and i argued tooth and nail with you about that. She is an ENTERTAINER and a tabloid icon.. no doubt about it. But her music isn't what got her the fame, it was merely the platform to let her be the controversial figure she was in her early years.


We can, then, disagree on what this poll actually means. However I don't think this poll means much and Madonna is on this list, several times. Also, your jab at the idea that "Madonna hasn't stuck around" because her album isn't high on the list is laughable. Her latest CD/singles have been successful in the UK, period.


On the contrary.. i made no such "jab" that madonna "hasnt stuck around".. this voting shows she HAS stuck around.. and hats off to her.. congrats.


You denied her popularity in your "potshot"...


But yet i myself said i "misquoted my potshot".. so does that even need to be said?


U2, Bob Dylan, Metallica etc. won't ever be as famous or as talked about as Madonna.


Now that is a lie. Since when do record sales just BLACK AND WHITE equal fame? im guessing Metallica's "enter sandman" is more popular than ANY madonna song...(i have to write this: not with TODAYS 14 years old crowd but overall) i would also argue that it is probably the most recognized song OF ALL TIME... at least for the generation that ISNT a part of the new emo-mtv-wussrap generation. And that new generation doesnt even matter because songs cycle through so fast there isn't any songs that even COMPARE to classic songs made by older artists...

So while "record sales" may mean alot.. it doesnt mean EVERYTHING. To just blindly follow the charts and record sales is not very telling of what is actually going on.

As you said, this is because Madonna has pushed the buttons of society. And if pushing the buttons of society is a "cheap way to fame" than so be it. Being an icon isn't just about being good at making music or being a movie star, but doing something that separates you from the rest.


"pushing buttons of society" is a nice way of saying she exposed herself and talked about heavily sexual things before other people did. Thats not necessarily a good thing.. i mean, maybe we can partially blame her for so many kids in high school being pregnant these days.. because she DID start the whole sexual thing for girls right? Or was there someone before her? Either way, she sure did the damage. While noone saw it happening then.. having so much sex in music is making kids turn to sex earlier and earlier. While others may have taken what Madonna did and RAN with it.. she sure laid down some foundation blocks.

So don't say that just because she "seperated herself from the rest".. that its automatically good. Charles Manson "sperated HIMSELF from the rest" too... as did Gary Coleman LOL.

No, she hasn't. In most of her albums she has a lot of filler songs. When did I say she had a great album all the way through?


I just thought thats what you thought.. i guess either i was wrong or you came across wrong. I dont mind being wrong, so if it makes you feel better ill say im wrong just to save an argument. Im glad to hear you say she has lots of filler songs because its the honest truth. She has many hits.. but no GREAT albums with fantastic songs all the way up and down.


Sex does not always sell music. Paris Hilton is sexy, yet her CD/singles aren't selling. And I would add that if all Madonna had was sex, she wouldn't be the most successful female artist ever.


Actually.. sadly enough.. Paris Hiltons music IS selling. Its getting press, and wanna-be slutty girls are listening to it. It may not be high on the charts.. and thats a GOOD THING.. because Paris Hilton is to musical what John Daly is to a ballerina... but the SHEER FACT that its being mentioned, and its getting radio play, is what makes people like me NAUTIOUS.. and its whats wrong with today's music scene.

As for your claim.. you word it a certain way to cover your ass.. If ALL she had was sex.. no she wouldnt be the "most successful female artist ever"... but tell me if you deny this:

She got a starting record contract, and USED SEX to acheive 75% of her fame... and WITHOUT the sexual innuendos she might have 1 CD in the top 100 and that would be barely over #99. Thats my opinion.


I'm glad to hear your rant on MTV, but my point still stands. Madonna is popular with the youth of today, almost as much so as she was with the youth of the 80's. That says something.


Just because your sister's basketball team used a song.. that means madonna is popular with the ENTIRE YOUTH? hey.. dont act like its madonna's fault.. she's on MTV.. and what MTV says.. goes. So i FULLY EXPECT madonna to be big because her video where she dance poorly.. "hung up".. is on there.


Why don't you ask before you assume what I mean by "most successful"? Because most successful to me means chart success.


thanks for clearing that up.. and i DID ask.. and then you answer with asking why i "didnt ask".. hmmmm


I never said she is a musical legend. I have only said she is an icon in pop culture, who happens to be a slightly above average musician.


You did in a previous thread.. and maybe not in the direct quote "musical legend".. but i think others would agree that you greatly exaggerated her musical ability.

She isn't "image is everything" nor should she have to delay that video because she is somewhat weak.

I would think it would be smart if you just got thrown off a horse to delay the video. That way you'd impress someone who ISNT drinking the madonna coolaid.. like myself.



I disagree. She isn't "sleezy", everything she has done has been for a reason. To push the buttons of society and push a political message. You assume she has done everything for selfish reasons and is a cold-hearted bitch who only cares about money.


you are partially right.. but lets break down what you said:

1. Everything she has doen has been for a reason - well can we be any more vague?

2. To push the buttons of society and push a political message - We already talked about the "pushing the buttons of society" thing.. its not always good. the main part i want to discuss is the "push a political message" line.. she has NEVER pushed a political message in her music.. or at least in any of her "hit singles".. maybe she saves that for her "filler songs" but no her music is not political, it is sexual. She might use her fame to say something political.. but thats tabloid BS, and not musical.

3. You assume she has done everything for selfish reasons- I remember saying something that i STILL stand by.. if certain agendas, agendas that you CLAIM SHE HAS, are SO important to her.. she would include them in her music.. and yet her music is void of it. Its all about sex and love.. not bad topics.. but still she's no Mother Theresa.

4. and is a cold-hearted bitch who only cares about money. -I never said she's a cold-hearted bitch.. come on now. Dont try to spray me with mud. I merely think you overrate her. As for money.. you can tell when bands are gracious and are all about something.. i didnt see Madonna at the Live 8 concerts or at Live Aid in 1985.. U2 was at both.. either Madonna has bad PR or she's selfish... pick your choice.


I have never denied they are better musicians. The only things I have been saying are that...

1. Madonna is not the greatest musician, but is not the worst and is slightly above average in terms of being a good musician.
2. That Madonna is a cultural icon and a living legend who is still very successful even to this day.


I agree with both.. so i dont see why i had these pre-notions. Chances are they WERENT prenotions.. and the fact that we argued to the teeth about this maybe helped us realize more things about the other and formed a more vaild opinion. I remember not being nearly as informed about Madonna before i agrued with you lol.. and to be honest i was SUPRISED to see she sold more records than U2. I guess its just the different lives we are from, the different cultures. you could make the arguement that both Madonna and U2 are probably the two toughest people to see live in the world right now.. because like i said U2 sells out stadiums in mere minutes.. and if i wanted to see them in cleveland i woulda had to shell out over 300 bucks.

So basically.. while it irks me to see a less musician and more tabloid and pop person like Madonna outsell U2.. its not that big of a deal really, the way today's press is, i should've EXPECTED IT. I am more informed now.. which is a good thing. I dont need to be right... as long as THE TRUTH COMES OUT WOOOOO... but in return im glad you noticed the elephant in the room, and admitted that madonna isn't a great musician.. she is what she is, she makes EXCELLENT "feel-good" music, and puts on great live shows...and many people love her for it. And hey, im putting Madonna over BIG TIME lately... OD, dont be afraid to throw U2 some love.. ;)

I remember you denying it in the previous thread... the one that was closed... your main thing on there was how great of a musician Madonna was... and i argued tooth and nail with you about that. She is an ENTERTAINER and a tabloid icon.. no doubt about it. But her music isn't what got her the fame, it was merely the platform to let her be the controversial figure she was in her early years.
Wrong. I did not deny it in that previous thread. Nowhere did I say (in that thread) that Madonna was a musical legend in the sense that she is a master at making quality music. What I did say, however, is that Madonna is a good musician and is not just an entertainer and tabloid icon who does not get enough credit for her work.

On the contrary.. i made no such "jab" that madonna "hasnt stuck around".. this voting shows she HAS stuck around.. and hats off to her.. congrats.
Well how nice of you to say so.

But yet i myself said i "misquoted my potshot".. so does that even need to be said?
Yes, because you started this entire debate by not choosing your words correctly.

Now that is a lie. Since when do record sales just BLACK AND WHITE equal fame? im guessing Metallica's "enter sandman" is more popular than ANY madonna song...(i have to write this: not with TODAYS 14 years old crowd but overall) i would also argue that it is probably the most recognized song OF ALL TIME... at least for the generation that ISNT a part of the new emo-mtv-wussrap generation. And that new generation doesnt even matter because songs cycle through so fast there isn't any songs that even COMPARE to classic songs made by older artists...
I never said that record sales equals fame 100%. However, it is a strong indication when someone reaches a level of popularity in which their name/status is one that can't be compared to in terms of being an icon.

So while "record sales" may mean alot.. it doesnt mean EVERYTHING. To just blindly follow the charts and record sales is not very telling of what is actually going on.
Yes, it is very telling of what is "going on". It means that their music is popular and is being bought by the masses and being played on the radio. Which thus means people like their music and allows them to become even more famous with more people.

"pushing buttons of society" is a nice way of saying she exposed herself and talked about heavily sexual things before other people did. Thats not necessarily a good thing.. i mean, maybe we can partially blame her for so many kids in high school being pregnant these days.. because she DID start the whole sexual thing for girls right? Or was there someone before her? Either way, she sure did the damage. While noone saw it happening then.. having so much sex in music is making kids turn to sex earlier and earlier. While others may have taken what Madonna did and RAN with it.. she sure laid down some foundation blocks.
You are the very person who follows what the media has said about Madonna. Very sad. Anyway, woman can't be sexual and smart. They are either one or the other. Madonna has tried to change this mentality and tried to push the idea that woman should be allowed to be sexual and not in return be called a "slut" and or a "tramp". She has tried to fight against this double standard, a standard in which you seem to still believe in. Also, sex isn't bad. Having sex isn't bad. So her "making kids have sex" isn't a problem in my eyes. It is only if you have un-safe sex, which Madonna has never promoted. She has always promoted the use of condoms and respecting both yourself and your partner before becoming sexual.

So don't say that just because she "seperated herself from the rest".. that its automatically good. Charles Manson "sperated HIMSELF from the rest" too... as did Gary Coleman LOL.
Umm? What?

I just thought thats what you thought.. i guess either i was wrong or you came across wrong. I dont mind being wrong, so if it makes you feel better ill say im wrong just to save an argument. Im glad to hear you say she has lots of filler songs because its the honest truth. She has many hits.. but no GREAT albums with fantastic songs all the way up and down.
Glad you admit it.

Actually.. sadly enough.. Paris Hiltons music IS selling. Its getting press, and wanna-be slutty girls are listening to it. It may not be high on the charts.. and thats a GOOD THING.. because Paris Hilton is to musical what John Daly is to a ballerina... but the SHEER FACT that its being mentioned, and its getting radio play, is what makes people like me NAUTIOUS.. and its whats wrong with today's music scene.
Her CD is hardly selling and her music is hardly making it up the charts. Trust me, I like her music, I would know.

She got a starting record contract, and USED SEX to acheive 75% of her fame... and WITHOUT the sexual innuendos she might have 1 CD in the top 100 and that would be barely over #99. Thats my opinion.
I don't see it as just "sex", I see it as pushing the buttons of society and trying to change society for the better. That is what an artist should try and do and I respect her for it. And no, if she didn't push the buttons I still believe she would have been very successful. You forget she wasn't "overtly" sexual until the early 90's. Granted she did have some sexual things in the 80's, but not so many as to clowd her actual music. And we all know she was very, very popular in the 80's.

Just because your sister's basketball team used a song.. that means madonna is popular with the ENTIRE YOUTH? hey.. dont act like its madonna's fault.. she's on MTV.. and what MTV says.. goes. So i FULLY EXPECT madonna to be big because her video where she dance poorly.. "hung up".. is on there.
I'm using my sister's basketball team as an example, Decka. Nothing more. But as you said, MTV does promote Madonna. Thus she is popular with the youth of today making her more and more of an icon.

You did in a previous thread.. and maybe not in the direct quote "musical legend".. but i think others would agree that you greatly exaggerated her musical ability.
I didn't make her musical ability out to be anything more than what I have said in this thread. She is a good musician, not the best, but clearly not the worst. I have always said this and I have not changed my stance from the last thread.

I would think it would be smart if you just got thrown off a horse to delay the video. That way you'd impress someone who ISNT drinking the madonna coolaid.. like myself.
She was #1 on the MTV Video countdown for weeks and she was up for 5 VMA's for that video. Someone must have liked it.

well can we be any more vague?
Name something she has done and I'll explain it.

We already talked about the "pushing the buttons of society" thing.. its not always good. the main part i want to discuss is the "push a political message" line.. she has NEVER pushed a political message in her music.. or at least in any of her "hit singles".. maybe she saves that for her "filler songs" but no her music is not political, it is sexual. She might use her fame to say something political.. but thats tabloid BS, and not musical.
She has pushed a political message with her music videos. Have you seen them?

I remember saying something that i STILL stand by.. if certain agendas, agendas that you CLAIM SHE HAS, are SO important to her.. she would include them in her music.. and yet her music is void of it. Its all about sex and love.. not bad topics.. but still she's no Mother Theresa.
What has put her name in the spot-light is the music videos she makes/the stage performances. Those puch an agenda.

I never said she's a cold-hearted bitch.. come on now. Dont try to spray me with mud. I merely think you overrate her. As for money.. you can tell when bands are gracious and are all about something.. i didnt see Madonna at the Live 8 concerts or at Live Aid in 1985.. U2 was at both.. either Madonna has bad PR or she's selfish... pick your choice.
Madonna has been to Live 8 twice. She was there in 1985 and a few years ago. You are wrong about that.

I agree with both.. so i dont see why i had these pre-notions. Chances are they WERENT prenotions.. and the fact that we argued to the teeth about this maybe helped us realize more things about the other and formed a more vaild opinion. I remember not being nearly as informed about Madonna before i agrued with you lol.. and to be honest i was SUPRISED to see she sold more records than U2. I guess its just the different lives we are from, the different cultures. you could make the arguement that both Madonna and U2 are probably the two toughest people to see live in the world right now.. because like i said U2 sells out stadiums in mere minutes.. and if i wanted to see them in cleveland i woulda had to shell out over 300 bucks.
Glad you admit all of that.

but in return im glad you noticed the elephant in the room, and admitted that madonna isn't a great musician..
Decka, you really don't understand what I'm saying, do you? I never said that she wasn't a great musician. She is a great musician. Just not the best or even in the top 20 best musicans worldwide. However she makes strong music and is a strong artist who does not get enough credit. You still don't believe she is a strong artist, even though she has proven on many albums that she is. She is more of a performer and an artist who makes basic "feel good songs", however she has shown she has musical talent many times throughout the years.

she is what she is, she makes EXCELLENT "feel-good" music, and puts on great live shows...and many people love her for it. And hey, im putting Madonna over BIG TIME lately... OD, dont be afraid to throw U2 some love.. ;)
Don't push your luck.

Hey Frogger, who the hell is "Lynard Skynard"?That would be Lynyrd Skynyrd. I think the album spelled it Lynard Skynard though. I could be mistaken.

Wrong. I did not deny it in that previous thread. Nowhere did I say (in that thread) that Madonna was a musical legend in the sense that she is a master at making quality music. What I did say, however, is that Madonna is a good musician and is not just an entertainer and tabloid icon who does not get enough credit for her work.

somehow i question that.. you never used those words in previous threads... maybe you mispoke and I misinterpreted you... hey it happens


Yes, because you started this entire debate by not choosing your words correctly.

If the ENTIRE DEBATE was because i mispoke.. then why are there so many points that have NOTHING to do with those words being debated?


I never said that record sales equals fame 100%. However, it is a strong indication when someone reaches a level of popularity in which their name/status is one that can't be compared to in terms of being an icon.

I would say the reason you ride it(record sales) so much is because madonna DOES have alot of it... i dont hear you saying Micheal Jackson is just so DAMNED GREAT lol...

Yes, it is very telling of what is "going on". It means that their music is popular and is being bought by the masses and being played on the radio. Which thus means people like their music and allows them to become even more famous with more people.

Micheal Jackson?:lolhit:


You are the very person who follows what the media has said about Madonna.

eh.. i actually dont hear about her much.. which is why im so suprised she's had so much success.. because i woulda never known it.. and this is coming from a musician who may not like all aspects but keeps up with today's music.


Very sad. Anyway, woman can't be sexual and smart. They are either one or the other. Madonna has tried to change this mentality and tried to push the idea that woman should be allowed to be sexual and not in return be called a "slut" and or a "tramp". She has tried to fight against this double standard, a standard in which you seem to still believe in.

I never heard it in her music.. maybe its not THAT important to her. If she DOESNT want to look like a "slut".. maybe she should have clothed herself more in the earlier days and lately... she might be "fighting" for that now.. but its what she THRIVED on to ACHEIVE her fame.. and now she's fighting against what got her famous?? thats weird.


Also, sex isn't bad. Having sex isn't bad. So her "making kids have sex" isn't a problem in my eyes. It is only if you have un-safe sex, which Madonna has never promoted. She has always promoted the use of condoms and respecting both yourself and your partner before becoming sexual.

thats.. um.. nice... i think sex IS bad when you are UNDERAGE.. which has steadily inclined.. mostly because how sexual today's society is.. and music has been EXTREMELY INCREASING sexual.. and well we can go back to the roots and find out who was a big piece of the puzzle in the 80's now cant we... its just an opinion of mine.. but you can't deny what she stood for and how many kids are sexual nowadays.


Her CD is hardly selling and her music is hardly making it up the charts. Trust me, I like her music, I would know.

You like Paris Hilton's music?? wow .. i dont know what to say.. "im sorry"???

I don't see it as just "sex", I see it as pushing the buttons of society and trying to change society for the better.

She never changed society for the better.. acting on impulses and being sexual IN NO WAY betters society.. only negative effects come from it.

That is what an artist should try and do and I respect her for it.

Artists shouldnt try to change society.. most are retards who know no better than any of us.. what makes them so special?

And no, if she didn't push the buttons I still believe she would have been very successful.

I disagree.. but im not drinking coolaid...

I didn't make her musical ability out to be anything more than what I have said in this thread. She is a good musician, not the best, but clearly not the worst. I have always said this and I have not changed my stance from the last thread.

Now i might just take you up on that and go back and get quotes of your exaggerations.. that is.. if its worth it.. this discussion IS getting rather long AGAIN.


She has pushed a political message with her music videos. Have you seen them?

Ive seen some.. nothing political.. maybe you could recommend something i can look up on yahoo videos?


What has put her name in the spot-light is the music videos she makes/the stage performances. Those puch an agenda.

Music videos.. the downfall of music.. hey good for her but do you realize that you just admitted that its her VISUAL attributes which get her ratings.. and not the AUDIO ones?


Madonna has been to Live 8 twice. She was there in 1985 and a few years ago. You are wrong about that.

Well i'll be darned.. i watched BOTH Live Aid AND Live 8.. and i didnt see her.. i looked it up and THERE IT WAS... color me impressed, im GLAD she was there and helped, and actually put her fame TO GOOD USE. I know you are too busy trying to make me "wrong".. so dont let me get in your way.


Glad you admit all of that.

again.. i admit the obvious.. which you dont


Decka, you really don't understand what I'm saying, do you? I never said that she wasn't a great musician. She is a great musician. Just not the best or even in the top 20 best musicans worldwide. However she makes strong music and is a strong artist who does not get enough credit. You still don't believe she is a strong artist, even though she has proven on many albums that she is. She is more of a performer and an artist who makes basic "feel good songs", however she has shown she has musical talent many times throughout the years.

"feel good songs" and CD's with two hits and the rest filler songs ARE NOT the signs of a good musician. ill tell you that... She's very average.. she has people who do good synthesizer work for her.. but madonna HERSELF is average. Good voice.. but thats about it.


Don't push your luck.
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Sorry you can't just acknowledge that with all the sales and tabloid fame.. U2 has FAR more grammies than Madonna.. i'll ride that SIMPLY because you ride certain little phrases until they are DEAD and IN THE CASKET.

and we call that

Arguing with Overdose about Madonna is as fruitless as arguing with a fifty year old gay man about Judy Garland. Some things transcend musical talent.

Number Eight (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?p=221438#post221438)

somehow i question that.. you never used those words in previous threads... maybe you mispoke and I misinterpreted you... hey it happens
Yes, I did use those words and I also didn't speak incorrectly, you just misinterpreted me.

If the ENTIRE DEBATE was because i mispoke.. then why are there so many points that have NOTHING to do with those words being debated?
You claimed she wasn't very famous etc. So because of your replies, I am brining up these other points.

I would say the reason you ride it(record sales) so much is because madonna DOES have alot of it... i dont hear you saying Micheal Jackson is just so DAMNED GREAT lol...
Micheal Jackson is a special case. Had he not gotten "weird" and had accusations that he raped little boys/got extreme plastic sergery he would be very, very famous even today.

eh.. i actually dont hear about her much.. which is why im so suprised she's had so much success.. because i woulda never known it.. and this is coming from a musician who may not like all aspects but keeps up with today's music.
That's great? The fact is, she is current and she is selling out concerts worlwide and charting at #1 worldwide regardless of if "you don't/didn't know about it"

Ah gotta go to school. I will reply to the rest of your "response" later!

REST OF MY REPLY

I never heard it in her music.. maybe its not THAT important to her. If she DOESNT want to look like a "slut".. maybe she should have clothed herself more in the earlier days and lately... she might be "fighting" for that now.. but its what she THRIVED on to ACHEIVE her fame.. and now she's fighting against what got her famous?? thats weird.
Madonna has been fighting for the idea that woman can be sexual/like sex and not have to be considered sluty since she started out in the music industry. And if this political message helped her get famous, so be it. I find that a valid reason for fame.

thats.. um.. nice... i think sex IS bad when you are UNDERAGE.. which has steadily inclined.. mostly because how sexual today's society is.. and music has been EXTREMELY INCREASING sexual.. and well we can go back to the roots and find out who was a big piece of the puzzle in the 80's now cant we... its just an opinion of mine.. but you can't deny what she stood for and how many kids are sexual nowadays.
When has Madonna promoted undersage sex? Everything she has done in the music scene she has done over the age of 18.

She never changed society for the better.. acting on impulses and being sexual IN NO WAY betters society.. only negative effects come from it.
When has she ever promoted to act on impulses? And if you do it safely, being sexual is healthy. Which is what she promoted, safe sex.

Artists shouldnt try to change society.. most are retards who know no better than any of us.. what makes them so special?
What makes them special is that they have an audience. They should use that to their advantage and try and promote something good for society. Besides I think art itself is about expressing things in many respects.

Now i might just take you up on that and go back and get quotes of your exaggerations.. that is.. if its worth it.. this discussion IS getting rather long AGAIN.
Go dig them up.

Ive seen some.. nothing political.. maybe you could recommend something i can look up on yahoo videos?
Do your homework yourself.

Well i'll be darned.. i watched BOTH Live Aid AND Live 8.. and i didnt see her.. i looked it up and THERE IT WAS... color me impressed, im GLAD she was there and helped, and actually put her fame TO GOOD USE. I know you are too busy trying to make me "wrong".. so dont let me get in your way.
Wait, I thought artists weren't supposed to push a political message? What makes them so special. LOL.

"feel good songs" and CD's with two hits and the rest filler songs ARE NOT the signs of a good musician. ill tell you that... She's very average.. she has people who do good synthesizer work for her.. but madonna HERSELF is average. Good voice.. but thats about it.
1. She has more than "2 hits" off of a CD.
2. She has a lot less "filler" than you'd think.
3. She used far moer than a synthesizer in the 90's. However you wouldn't know.
4. I only think she is a little better than an average artist. So, how about giving that one a rest.

Sorry you can't just acknowledge that with all the sales and tabloid fame.. U2 has FAR more grammies than Madonna.. i'll ride that SIMPLY because you ride certain little phrases until they are DEAD and IN THE CASKET.
Right. I'm sure U2 is better than Madonna in terms of musical ability. However Madonna is far more of an icon, famous and is more successful in both the charts and sales.

Madonna has been fighting for the idea that woman can be sexual/like sex and not have to be considered sluty since she started out in the music industry. And if this political message helped her get famous, so be it. I find that a valid reason for fame.

So im supposed to look at the way she dresses and NOT think she's a slut? Some of the videos are pretty sexual LOL.. she sure DOESNT do a good job at her "idea"...


When has Madonna promoted undersage sex? Everything she has done in the music scene she has done over the age of 18.

This is where she can claim ignorance.. but promoting sex is promoting sex.. you cant JUST promote LEGAL sex.. if 16 year olds see Madonna's video.. it will have the SAME effect on them than on 25 year olds.. its just promoting sex in general. While she may CLAIM it off her album.. its just like Brittany spears, the most hypocritical bitch ive ever seen, say she's all about helping young kids and being a strong young girl on 60 minutes, and then make a single saying "im a slaaavvveee for you" depicting women and herself as some cum guzzling whore who is dominated by her significant other. Same shit.


When has she ever promoted to act on impulses? And if you do it safely, being sexual is healthy. Which is what she promoted, safe sex.

Sex = acting on impulses... its not very "sexy" to say "hey, want to have sex tonight at 7pm?"


What makes them special is that they have an audience. They should use that to their advantage and try and promote something good for society. Besides I think art itself is about expressing things in many respects.

If something GOOD comes out.. i have no problem. I dont think such strong sexual innuendos are good for today's youth.. if kids are fucking, they are having kids.. and as far as I have noticed.. they aren't as good of people. Most people who i know who are virgins, who have held onto that concept, are THE nicest and most sound people i've ever met. Im not saying ALL people who fuck are bad people.. dont take what i say and run with it(i forgot who i'm talking to).. but i think thats a stereotype. I mean.. look at what sex is associated with?? Rap/hip hop(which is the "cool" thing somehow) is ALL ABOUT sex.. and what is rap also all about? Killing people, hating people, trying to be intimidating.. all things that are DEEPLY ROOTED PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS... i think if kids are fucking too early.. it FUCKS them psychologically in the long run. Again.. Sex is sex.. you cant promote "legal sex".. if anything, madonna has helped educate young kids how to do it, or how to feel it.


Do your homework yourself.

You can't recommend ONE video where Madonna gives a political message? how about ANY MESSAGE AT ALL?


Wait, I thought artists weren't supposed to push a political message? What makes them so special. LOL.

you misquoted me.. i said artists shouldnt try to "change society".. many artists push a political message.. which i still question. But you can HARDLY argue with big time artists raising money for Africa.. thats a no brainer... If you are against that you are pretty f'd up.


Plus.. Can you say live-aid was pushing a political message? it was more of a fund raiser.. it was big time artists who played for free, and made alot of money for charities they support.


Right. I'm sure U2 is better than Madonna in terms of musical ability. However Madonna is far more of an icon, famous and is more successful in both the charts and sales.

That is FINE by me... u2 IS better musically.. and while Madonna might be more of a tabloid girl.. she is famous.. but also an attention whore.. but then again.. you could make the same arguement against Bono...

I dont mind that statement at all.. i guess we just have different arguments as to what makes a great musician.. you think fame and tabloids are it.. i think music and musical acknowledgement are it. Either way.. we both have our favorite bands.. and while you are still in your youth, you might actually grow up to like U2, i didnt like them til i was 19 or 20... but then again, i probably didn't help the cause because you probably hate them now based on the association with me.. the one who would DARE question the immortal Madonna LOL.

So im supposed to look at the way she dresses and NOT think she's a slut? Some of the videos are pretty sexual LOL.. she sure DOESNT do a good job at her "idea"...
How does the way someone dresses prove they are a slut? That is a sad assumption you have made in regards to Madonna.

This is where she can claim ignorance.. but promoting sex is promoting sex.. you cant JUST promote LEGAL sex.. if 16 year olds see Madonna's video.. it will have the SAME effect on them than on 25 year olds.. its just promoting sex in general. While she may CLAIM it off her album.. its just like Brittany spears, the most hypocritical bitch ive ever seen, say she's all about helping young kids and being a strong young girl on 60 minutes, and then make a single saying "im a slaaavvveee for you" depicting women and herself as some cum guzzling whore who is dominated by her significant other. Same shit.
Madonna is not to be held accountable for how people interpret her music videos. If they don't do their research and understand the real reasons for why she is doing what she is doing, that is their issue.

Sex = acting on impulses... its not very "sexy" to say "hey, want to have sex tonight at 7pm?"
Acting on impulses? So if you are in a relationship you are having a one-night stand and acting on impulses?

If something GOOD comes out.. i have no problem. I dont think such strong sexual innuendos are good for today's youth.. if kids are fucking, they are having kids.. and as far as I have noticed.. they aren't as good of people.
If kids are having sex they are having kids? WHAT? Have you not heard of condoms and birth control? LMAO.

Most people who i know who are virgins, who have held onto that concept, are THE nicest and most sound people i've ever met. Im not saying ALL people who fuck are bad people.. dont take what i say and run with it(i forgot who i'm talking to).. but i think thats a stereotype. I mean.. look at what sex is associated with?? Rap/hip hop(which is the "cool" thing somehow) is ALL ABOUT sex.. and what is rap also all about? Killing people, hating people, trying to be intimidating.. all things that are DEEPLY ROOTED PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS... i think if kids are fucking too early.. it FUCKS them psychologically in the long run. Again.. Sex is sex.. you cant promote "legal sex".. if anything, madonna has helped educate young kids how to do it, or how to feel it.
What is this entire paragraph trying to prove? You aren't even putting together your sentences correctly...

You can't recommend ONE video where Madonna gives a political message? how about ANY MESSAGE AT ALL?
Do your own research.

you misquoted me.. i said artists shouldnt try to "change society".. many artists push a political message.. which i still question. But you can HARDLY argue with big time artists raising money for Africa.. thats a no brainer... If you are against that you are pretty f'd up.
Last I checked, U2 pushed a liberal message.

That is FINE by me... u2 IS better musically.. and while Madonna might be more of a tabloid girl.. she is famous.. but also an attention whore.. but then again.. you could make the same arguement against Bono...
This is stating the obvious. Thanks.

I dont mind that statement at all.. i guess we just have different arguments as to what makes a great musician.. you think fame and tabloids are it..
I never said that fame and tabloids make a better musician. When have I ever said that? I admit that Madonna isn't the greatest (but far from the worst) musician on earth.

i think music and musical acknowledgement are it. Either way.. we both have our favorite bands.. and while you are still in your youth, you might actually grow up to like U2, i didnt like them til i was 19 or 20... but then again, i probably didn't help the cause because you probably hate them now based on the association with me.. the one who would DARE question the immortal Madonna LOL.
Madonna isn't a band, she is an artist. As for the rest of this paragraph...ummm, no, I never have liked U2.

How does the way someone dresses prove they are a slut? That is a sad assumption you have made in regards to Madonna.

So i could dress in all black, spike my hair, and wear make-up and NOT be considered a Goth? Come now OD, you know better than that. Today is all about image in today's society.. If Madonna DOES NOT want to be considered a slut.. she wouldnt expose herself as much as she has throughout her career...


Madonna is not to be held accountable for how people interpret her music videos. If they don't do their research and understand the real reasons for why she is doing what she is doing, that is their issue.

LOL.. yea.. thats like Jerry springer inviting a black panther and a KKK member on his set.. and then when there's a fight, Springer raises his hands and says "it wasn't MY fault!!!"....

Madonna should be more responsible and KNOW the youth will be watching her on MTV... she DOES know this.. and the fact that she STILL pushes the sexual issue means she obviously isn't too concerned about keeping kids from having sex.


Acting on impulses? So if you are in a relationship you are having a one-night stand and acting on impulses?

Please... Sex comes when it feels right.. its impulsive.. it can be a girlfriend, but when she looks at you a certain way, or does something.. it stirs something.. its an unpredictable feeling...

again.. is it sexy to say "okay.. we're going to have sex at 7pm tonight..."

the answer is.. No.. thus.. its an IMPULSIVE act.. just like buying a tastey looking cookie at the pastry window.


If kids are having sex they are having kids? WHAT? Have you not heard of condoms and birth control? LMAO.

The more kids involved in having sex.. the more kids are knocked up.. its pretty academic.

Do your own research.

That sounds like a cop out.. and it is.. it would take 2 SECONDS to just say 1 VIDEO i could watch.. she must either not have any videos that push some "message" or you are the laziest son-of-a-bitch ive ever met.


Last I checked, U2 pushed a liberal message.

they do? do tell about that one...


I never said that fame and tabloids make a better musician. When have I ever said that? I admit that Madonna isn't the greatest (but far from the worst) musician on earth.

At least you are man enough to admit that

So i could dress in all black, spike my hair, and wear make-up and NOT be considered a Goth? Come now OD, you know better than that. Today is all about image in today's society.. If Madonna DOES NOT want to be considered a slut.. she wouldnt expose herself as much as she has throughout her career...
That is totally not related to what Madonna has done. But thanks.

LOL.. yea.. thats like Jerry springer inviting a black panther and a KKK member on his set.. and then when there's a fight, Springer raises his hands and says "it wasn't MY fault!!!"....
That does not make sense. Here is why. Jerry Springer is brining groups, who have a history of violence, who he knows hate each other on his show. This is obviously going to cause a conflict. However, Madonna never promoting unsafe sex or sex to minors does not obviously mean they will have sex. If they truly were a fan of hers and listened to what she had to say, they would understand that they should do it safely and respect both their partner and themself first. Although, on Jerry Springer, her promotes fighting as that is what his show is about, fighting/drama/conflict. Judging by the security guards meant/hired to tear people apart when they fight and how every show is about darma/fighting the main goal is to get a fight to drawn in ratings. Madonna, however, isn't about un-safe sex.

Madonna should be more responsible and KNOW the youth will be watching her on MTV... she DOES know this.. and the fact that she STILL pushes the sexual issue means she obviously isn't too concerned about keeping kids from having sex.
Having a war in Iraq could send the wrong message to a kid. So lets say he shoots up kids who are from the Middle East at his school because he does not fully understand the real reasons behind the war. So we should not have a war because it may send the wrong message? Well, I don't think we should stop doing something like that just because someone may take it the wrong way.

the answer is.. No.. thus.. its an IMPULSIVE act.. just like buying a tastey looking cookie at the pastry window.
Impulsive does not mean un-safe. As long as you are impulsive with condoms and are with someone you know very well.

That sounds like a cop out.. and it is.. it would take 2 SECONDS to just say 1 VIDEO i could watch.. she must either not have any videos that push some "message" or you are the laziest son-of-a-bitch ive ever met.
It would take you 2 seconds to find a video.

At least you are man enough to admit that
Admit what? That you lied about what I said makes a good musician?

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Whah whah whah whah whah whahty whah, you freaking jerk.

Oh yeah? You and what Army??


Whah whah whah whah whah whah2. Sparky says he bedded Madonna back in 1983. And she was hairy.

No shit? Well, if Sparky said it, it must be true.
:thumbs:

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Oh yeah? You and what Army??




No shit? Well, if Sparky said it, it must be true.
:thumbs:
:confused: You are an adult?

Yeah.

Rumor has it that I just might be your daddy.
:thumbs:

Yeah.

Rumor has it that I just might be your daddy.
:thumbs:
:rolleyes: My father wouldn't use the words you use nor the rude, immature comments you spew daily.

:rolleyes: My father wouldn't use the words you use nor the rude, immature comments you spew daily.

aside from the mature, enlightening, unbiased and non-stubborn commenting you give....

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aside from the mature, enlightening, unbiased and non-stubborn commenting you give....
Truthful words my friend.

Thanks for the compliment, Decka.

OD, did you get a job yet?
Just checking.

I've had 2 jobs so far in my lifetime.

One job I spent selling newspapers door to door.
The other job I loaded boxes of tools to be shipped out for a garden company.

KTHXBYE

Ow, *snap*.
Kitty's got claws.

Sorry to have insulted such a Captain of Industry.
I'll go crawl back into my corner and lick my wounds now.
:(

(muttering to self now) Dang, I need to think up some more rude, immature comments to spew.

Self: (answering) Why do you do this anyway? Overdose is just a 17 year old kid with too much time on his hands. Sparring with him has got to be kind of like shooting fish in a barrel, if you get where I'm coming from.

Me: Because it's fun. Why are you always on my back anyway? You never let me have any fun.

Self: Well, it's gone beyond the fun stage and it's beginning to border on the cruel. "Rumor has it that I might just be your Daddy?" What the hell kind of right-brain insult is that?

Me: Oh come on now, that's some of my best stuff. And besides, it might just be true.

Self: How so?

Me: Remember that time we were on a layover in Ohio about 18 or 19 years ago? We got that Engine Chip Light two miles north of Dayton, and diverted into Wright-Patt Air Force Base for repairs?

Self: Yeah, ok, I can recall that. Vaguely.

Me: Well, once we secured the aircraft at the Transient Hangar, and dropped our bags at the BOQ, do you remember catching a ride down to that funky little club in Xenia?

Self: Sorta. OK, no not really.

Me: You left-brain lightweight, you never could hold your liquor. What happened was, we got some supper at the bar, and then began pounding down beers and watching the girls on the dance floor. We got a lot of attention, because we were in our flight suit. Chicks dig a man in uniform.

Self: Yes, that's true. The ladies do like the flight suit.

Me: So anyway, we hooked up with this darling little fish in a striped tank top. Big rock video hair-doo, small breasts, nice ass, she sort of had a lazy-eye thing going. You don't remember any of this, do you?

Self: I don't like where this is going.

Me: So, the lazy-eye girl was a huge Madonna fan. She babbled on and on about Madonna, “Material Girl this, and Like a Virgin that”. Blah blah blah. Drove us crazy, I tell you. But we wanted in her pants, so we played along like we loved Madonna too.

Self: Oh, God no. We took her back to her trailer and banged her after we bought her like a million cocktails didn’t we?

Me: It was only half a million, and yes, we drove her in her Ford Pinto back to her trailer and knocked the bottom out of it. It was wild, I tell you. The combination of that hot body and the lazy eye, man oh man, it was some fun sex. Such a good time. Too bad you can’t recall any of it.

Self: Repression is a wonderful thing. So please tell me we at least left her some money on our way out in the morning.

Me: No, not technically. Unless we lost some pocket change in her bed. But you did leave her a nice note, thanking her for the wonderful evening. “It was enchanting, and I will always cherish our time together. You kind of overdosed on Bacardi and Coke, so that’s why I left you laying on your side, in case you threw up.” Beautiful stuff.
And then you left her instructions on where to find her car near the main gate at the Air Base.

Self: We stole her car??

Me: How else where we gonna get back? Her phone bill hadn’t been paid in months, and we couldn’t call a cab!

Self: Absolutely amazing. So what was the point of this story anyway? I’ve totally lost track now.

Me: Us maybe being Overdose’s DAD, you moron. 18 or 19 years ago, big Madonna fan, the kind note with the reference to overdose… See, it all makes sense!!

Self: Yeah, like a train-wreck or the Democratic National Convention makes sense.
Listen, I’m out of here. You want to go get some breakfast?

Me: Heck yes. You’re buying, right?

Self: Don’t I always? (headed out the door now)

Me: (following, and locking the door) Say, do you remember the time we met that female 500 pound gorilla?
:eek:

Sparky and Lazy Eye (http://www.clayloomis.com/Sounds/blowduck2e.wav)

User is: 1
Password is: 1

(muttering to self now) Dang, I need to think up some more rude, immature comments to spew.

Self: (answering) Why do you do this anyway? Overdose is just a 17 year old kid with too much time on his hands. Sparring with him has got to be kind of like shooting fish in a barrel, if you get where I'm coming from.

Me: Because it's fun. Why are you always on my back anyway? You never let me have any fun.

Self: Well, it's gone beyond the fun stage and it's beginning to border on the cruel. "Rumor has it that I might just be your Daddy?" What the hell kind of right-brain insult is that?

Me: Oh come on now, that's some of my best stuff. And besides, it might just be true.

Self: How so?

Me: Remember that time we were on a layover in Ohio about 18 or 19 years ago? We got that Engine Chip Light two miles north of Dayton, and diverted into Wright-Patt Air Force Base for repairs?

Self: Yeah, ok, I can recall that. Vaguely.

Me: Well, once we secured the aircraft at the Transient Hangar, and dropped our bags at the BOQ, do you remember catching a ride down to that funky little club in Xenia?

Self: Sorta. OK, no not really.

Me: You left-brain lightweight, you never could hold your liquor. What happened was, we got some supper at the bar, and then began pounding down beers and watching the girls on the dance floor. We got a lot of attention, because we were in our flight suit. Chicks dig a man in uniform.

Self: Yes, that's true. The ladies do like the flight suit.

Me: So anyway, we hooked up with this darling little fish in a striped tank top. Big rock video hair-doo, small breasts, nice ass, she sort of had a lazy-eye thing going. You don't remember any of this, do you?

Self: I don't like where this is going.

Me: So, the lazy-eye girl was a huge Madonna fan. She babbled on and on about Madonna, “Material Girl this, and Like a Virgin that”. Blah blah blah. Drove us crazy, I tell you. But we wanted in her pants, so we played along like we loved Madonna too.

Self: Oh, God no. We took her back to her trailer and banged her after we bought her like a million cocktails didn’t we?

Me: It was only half a million, and yes, we drove her in her Ford Pinto back to her trailer and knocked the bottom out of it. It was wild, I tell you. The combination of that hot body and the lazy eye, man oh man, it was some fun sex. Such a good time. Too bad you can’t recall any of it.

Self: Repression is a wonderful thing. So please tell me we at least left her some money on our way out in the morning.

Me: No, not technically. Unless we lost some pocket change in her bed. But you did leave her a nice note, thanking her for the wonderful evening. “It was enchanting, and I will always cherish our time together. You kind of overdosed on Bacardi and Coke, so that’s why I left you laying on your side, in case you threw up.” Beautiful stuff.
And then you left her instructions on where to find her car near the main gate at the Air Base.

Self: We stole her car??

Me: How else where we gonna get back? Her phone bill hadn’t been paid in months, and we couldn’t call a cab!

Self: Absolutely amazing. So what was the point of this story anyway? I’ve totally lost track now.

Me: Us maybe being Overdose’s DAD, you moron. 18 or 19 years ago, big Madonna fan, the kind note with the reference to overdose… See, it all makes sense!!

Self: Yeah, like a train-wreck or the Democratic National Convention makes sense.
Listen, I’m out of here. You want to go get some breakfast?

Me: Heck yes. You’re buying, right?

Self: Don’t I always? (headed out the door now)

Me: (following, and locking the door) Say, do you remember the time we met that female 500 pound gorilla?
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I have too much time on my hands? Look in the mirror buddy. Oh and you didn't reply to any of my points in the thread in the politics section. Which suggests you really are as immature as your posts prove.

PS: Making a joke about me having jobs does take away from the fact that you were PROVEN wrong on the idea that I haven't "worked" in my lifetime.

Listen to the workaholic, would ya?

I have too much time on my hands? Look in the mirror buddy. Oh and you didn't reply to any of my points in the thread in the politics section. Which suggests you really are as immature as your posts prove.

PS: Making a joke about me having jobs does take away from the fact that you were PROVEN wrong on the idea that I haven't "worked" in my lifetime.

*sigh*

I'm a humorist and writer during my down time from work. Writing funny bits brings me pleasure. You know, like writhing to the urban rhythms with the beautiful boys and girls in the Oregon dance clubs brings other people pleasure.

I don't reply to each and every single point in your threads (or anybody else's threads for that matter) because I find that sort of 'back and forth, tit for tat' thing tiring, catty, and counter-productive. You either have a simple argument or philosophy that stands on its own, or you don't.

Look here, overdose.
I don't give a crap whether you've got a job or not, whether you live in your mom's house or not, or even whether you're right or wrong about Madonna.
It's just fun and games to me, that's all.
You provide fresh material for me to vent my comedic spleen. Get it?

As I explained to you back in the earlier threads (when I was still being kind and polite to you, and willing to offer you life advice and mentorship), you need to take stock of this one thing about yourself;
You are easily upset, and you tend to fly off the handle.
You are an easy target for provocation and cruel sport. That makes it fun for people to mess with you. (Myself included. Especially since you have chosen to show me an unwarranted amount of disrespect.)

You have no more effect on my life than I have on yours.
You and I will never meet, and chances are that was not your mom I banged in Ohio back in the day.
And lastly (and most importantly perhaps), you really ought to consider toning down your attitude and be willing to laugh along with those who are bound and determined to mess with you. In the end, they'll eventually stop picking on you and will very likely start treating you like an adult.

Or words to that effect.
:cool:

I'm a humorist and writer during my down time from work. Writing funny bits brings me pleasure. You know, like writhing to the urban rhythms with the beautiful boys and girls in the Oregon dance clubs brings other people pleasure.
You write humor? Hmmmm, well thank god you don't do it professionally because that'd be pathetic and you’d most likely make no money. Anyway, since you know very little about me, you wouldn't know that I rarely go clubbing anymore and I haven't for many months now.

I don't reply to each and every single point in your threads (or anybody else's threads for that matter) because I find that sort of 'back and forth, tit for tat' thing tiring, catty, and counter-productive. You either have a simple argument or philosophy that stands on its own, or you don't.
You don't reply because you have no rebuttal to my points and this is your "excuse" as to why you don't reply to my posts.

Look here, overdose.
I don't give a crap whether you've got a job or not, whether you live in your mom's house or not, or even whether you're right or wrong about Madonna.
It's just fun and games to me, that's all.
You provide fresh material for me to vent my comedic spleen. Get it?
There is a "humor" section where you can post your posts of "humor" However, how is false material good material? Making a joke about my lifestyle and or the jobs I have had isn't going to be funny and or make sense unless it is true. Otherwise you just look like a fool.

You are easily upset, and you tend to fly off the handle.
You are an easy target for provocation and cruel sport. That makes it fun for people to mess with you. (Myself included. Especially since you have chosen to show me an unwarranted amount of disrespect.)
1. As an "adult" you find it mature to push people’s buttons?
2. You have given me just as much disrespect as you claim I have given you, if not more. Let me remind you of when you cussed and used vulgar language towards me.

And lastly (and most importantly perhaps), you really ought to consider toning down your attitude and be willing to laugh along with those who are bound and determined to mess with you. In the end, they'll eventually stop picking on you and will very likely start treating you like an adult.
I should "laugh" at people who cuss at me, call me immature and mock my lifestyle? It may be funny to ignorant, disrespectful, immature adults, but it is not funny for the person who is being attacked. Maybe you should try being in my shoes and stop acting like a child. You know, practice what you preach?
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ES: I have worked far more than most people my age (at least in today's society) so maybe you should just you know, STFU?

Such a hard little worker bee you are. You want a medal, or the chest to pin it on?

Such a hard little worker bee you are. You want a medal, or the chest to pin it on?
No, I want you to either...

1. Stop talking to me on this forum if all you are going to do is attack, make jokes or mock me

or either....

2. Put me on ignore

or...

3. Leave this forum because you are in a sense trying to create flame-wars and drama out of thin air.

Have a good life, young overdose.

Bye bye.

No, I want you to either...

1. Stop talking to me on this forum if all you are going to do is attack, make jokes or mock me

or either....

2. Put me on ignore

or...

3. Leave this forum because you are in a sense trying to create flame-wars and drama out of thin air.



"You've got the brain of a four-year-old boy, and I bet he was glad to get rid of it." - Groucho Marx

Have a good life, young overdose.

Bye bye.
Thanks so much!

-Young (but far more mature than Sparky) OD

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ES, your quotes prove and or accomplish nothing.

Thanks so much!

-Young (but far more mature than Sparky) OD


LOL if you say so..

but you have a bit of a biased perspective though.. considering YOU are saying something about YOU...

I mean.. does the media go up to Chad Johnson of the Bengals and ask him if he's the best reciever in the league?? well they do, and of course he says yes.. but we dont take it as fact.

Sparky is well in tuned with something called c