In Lebanon, UN delivers more humanitarian aid as "damage estimated at $3.6 Thousand Millions" – (25 August 2006)

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=19633&Cr=Leban&Cr1=

and america will keep giving isreal more aid as usual. isreal wouldn't be such a jackass towards their neighbors if america didn't throw money at them. maybe they'd actually have to negotiate and be a good neighbor. but i believe it is too late. they've and america have pissed off way too many muslims for far too long for that to happen.

another bucket of tar to try to wipe off.

and america will keep giving isreal more aid as usual. isreal wouldn't be such a jackass towards their neighbors if america didn't throw money at them. maybe they'd actually have to negotiate and be a good neighbor. but i believe it is too late. they've and america have pissed off way too many muslims for far too long for that to happen.

another bucket of tar to try to wipe off.

All Hizbollah had to do was to release the prisoners but they just ain't that smart.

Like the monkey that ain't got the sense to let go of the banana in the cage. That is how they catch monkeys.

Radical Muslims are always starting sheet when there is no need to.

When radical Muslims kill, everybody must pay.

Nasrallah also claimed that Hizbullah would not have kidnapped the two IDF soldiers had he known that Israel's response would be so intense.

"We did not think, even one percent, that the capture would lead to a war at this time and of this magnitude. You ask me, if I had known on July 11...that the operation would lead to such a war, would I do it? I say no, absolutely not," he said.

Nasrallah could stop the war on any day just by releasing the prisoners.

All Hizbollah had to do was to release the prisoners but they just ain't that smart.umm...all Israel had to do was not waste the lives of its military and murder the hundred and hundreds of innocent civilians. All Israel had to do was engage in a prisoner exchange (like any sane country would do).

A prisoner exchange seems to be what may happen anyways...
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/755225.html

All Hizbollah had to do was to release the prisoners but they just ain't that smart.........Radical Muslims are always starting sheet when there is no need to...........Nasrallah could stop the war on any day just by releasing the prisoners.


As if there was EVER the slightest doubt, I invite everyone to read the stats below, and figure out just how hypocritical (not to mention clueless) old-reb and his ilk's --"Aw, it's all those Muslim's fault!..they just won't compromise!!"-- attitude is on this issue;

1 (one) Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 9,599 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

“Since the beginning of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories in 1967, over 650,000 Palestinians have been detained by Israel. This forms approximately 20% of the total Palestinian population in the Occupied Palestinian Territories” ________________http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/prisoners.html

Why the mea culpa from a guy that supposedly won?

When did 'winners' start apologizing for their 'success'?

“Since the beginning of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories in 1967, over 650,000 Palestinians have been detained by Israel. This forms approximately 20% of the total Palestinian population in the Occupied Palestinian Territories” ________________http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/prisoners.html

It takes a lot of feed and korans for that many terrorist. Do they have air conditioning?

Israel usually arrest criminals while terrorist attack and kill anybody and take very few prisoners. The Fox news reporters who were kidnapped were forced to convert to Islam. If we did the same we would convert all the Gitmo prisoners to Christians and all 650,000 Palestines, you speak of, to Judism.

There is differences between the two reb. One being that the journalists were freed. And the other being that the journalists were taken hostage by Palestinians not connected to the government versus Palestinians imprisoned by the the Israeli government and the innocents in Gitmo.

“Since the beginning of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories in 1967, over 650,000 Palestinians have been detained by Israel. This forms approximately 20% of the total Palestinian population in the Occupied Palestinian Territories” ________________http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/prisoners.html

It takes a lot of feed and korans for that many terrorist. Do they have air conditioning?

a) all of those held are not "terrorists".

Close to 500 of them are women and children.

b) No, no air conditioning.

What they are treated to is inhumane living conditions, in overcrowded threadbare tents that don't provide shelter against extreme weather. They are not given adequate food rations nor provided with clean clothes or cleaning supplies. Many of the civilians currently being held in military detention camps were injured during their arrests and have not been provided the necessary medical attention.

All of which no doubt fills you with glee.

Why the mea culpa from a guy that supposedly won?

When did 'winners' start apologizing for their 'success'? you have a rather simplistic grasp of the world don't you?...

While Hezbollah won in showing Israel that it is not an unstoppable juggernaut, the people of lebanon lost in being slaughtered by israels indesciminate mass murder.

There is differences between the two reb. One being that the journalists were freed. And the other being that the journalists were taken hostage by Palestinians not connected to the government versus Palestinians imprisoned by the the Israeli government and the innocents in Gitmo.

Ok, the Israelis could only convert the ones they are kept for a short stay and they could allow criminal elements to operate inside Israel that kill and kidnap harmless innocent people.

If Israel wants to be good neighbor then they would treat Palestinians like Palestinians treat Kafirs.

“Since the beginning of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories in 1967, over 650,000 Palestinians have been detained by Israel. This forms approximately 20% of the total Palestinian population in the Occupied Palestinian Territories” ________________http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/prisoners.html

They could nearly empty the jails by introducing the death sentence for murder. In the US 70% of these prisoners would be pushing up daisies. We reinstuted the death sentence because of so many repeat offenders. People get pissed when they find their loved ones have been murdered by someone who has been in jail for murder and released.



In total, approximately 70% of security prisoners in Israel Prison
Service facilities have been sentenced for murderous crimes.

http://www.ips.gov.il/ShabasEng/Files/WhatNew/Files/Art60_mazav_english.pdf

Here is the tough prisoner life. Hmm looks like I could deal with being a prisoner there.

http://www.ips.gov.il/ShabasEng/Prisons/day.asp#3

....the people of lebanon lost in being slaughtered by israels indesciminate mass murder.Indiscriminate mass murder would result in many many more deaths than actually occurred. It would not include leafletting areas before bombing (adding risk to the mission for the Israelis) and actually telephoning individual homes that were to be targeted.

If you want to say "unnecessary deaths" or "brutal tactics" that would work, but "indiscriminate mass murder" just hurts your point.

you have a rather simplistic grasp of the world don't you?...

While Hezbollah won in showing Israel that it is not an unstoppable juggernaut, the people of lebanon lost in being slaughtered by israels indesciminate mass murder.

Sometimes the world is pretty simple.

It is not at all evident that hezbollah had much of anything to do with stopping israel. Hez merely hid in their bunkers while israel destroyed lebanon's infrastructure. ("We're still alive", only in loonyville would that constitute some form of victory. kinda like the knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail) hez found itself in a battle it could not win or even sustain. They were/are glad to have the UN come save their butts. Israel on the other hand now has a 30,000 strong force between itself and hez. hez will have much difficulty initiating/attempting to initiate much of anything for awhile. Israel will have peace on their northern border for quite sometime.

Indeed the people of lebanon and hez supporters in particular suffered mightily from israel's attacks. hez is taking much heat from the locals because of it. hez constrained militarily. and isolated politically?

Indiscriminate mass murder would result in many many more deaths than actually occurred. It would not include leafletting areas before bombing (adding risk to the mission for the Israelis) and actually telephoning individual homes that were to be targeted.

If you want to say "unnecessary deaths" or "brutal tactics" that would work, but "indiscriminate mass murder" just hurts your point. yeah thats why Israel dropped a bunch of cluster bombs on cities just before the ceasefire went into effect right?

hez is taking much heat from the locals because of it. hez constrained militarily. and isolated politically?
show me...I've seen nothing but an increase in support for Hezbollah. Especially considering they'll have lebanon rebuilt before New Orleans...

yeah thats why Israel dropped a bunch of cluster bombs on cities just before the ceasefire went into effect right?
We can deal with that if you like, but it's not what I asked and you avoided.

Dropping old cluster bombs with hihg failure rates with no true objective in cities is the very definition of "indesciminate murder". Its also a war crime.

If Israel asks for more money, the U.S. will say "yes".

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525975369&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

yeah thats why Israel dropped a bunch of cluster bombs on cities just before the ceasefire went into effect right?

What cities did they drop cluster bombs on.

FEATURE-Cluster bombs lie in wait for Lebanese children

By Alistair Lyon, Special Correspondent

BINT JBEIL, Lebanon, Aug 25 (Reuters) - Like a small black football, it lies in the dirt not far from Haitham Daaboul's front door in the southern Lebanese town of Bint Jbeil
...(more cities in the article)
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L24468429.htm

a town is not a city. Thanks for embeleshing.

yeah thats why Israel dropped a bunch of cluster bombs on cities just before the ceasefire went into effect right?

What cities did they drop cluster bombs on.

FEATURE-Cluster bombs lie in wait for Lebanese children...BINT JBEIL, Lebanon......(more cities in the article)
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L24468429.htm

a town is not a city.

Wow. Nice retort.

But, that's about par for the type of responses you can be counted on to make as you concoct endless apologies for the attrocites currently being committed by Israel.

I feel bad that we bombed Dresden, Germany but Germany should not have bombed London. Hitler wanted to conquer the world but the world conquered Hitler. We need to do the same to anyone trying to destroy our modern life of freedom.

I feel bad that we bombed Dresden, Germany but Germany should not have bombed London. Hitler wanted to conquer the world but the world conquered Hitler. We need to do the same to anyone trying to destroy our modern life of freedom.

Can you even begin to look at it from the perspective of the average Muslim in a country like Iraq or Iran, and understand how THEIR perception of America is likely that the U.S. is bent on destroying their way of life......??

Can you even begin to look at it from the perspective of the average Muslim in a country like Iraq or Iran, and understand how THEIR perception of America is likely that the U.S. is bent on destroying their way of life......??

We are trying to moderate their irrational racist hatred and desire to kill Kafirs. What a way of life they have.

Can you even begin to look at it from the perspective of the average Muslim in a country like Iraq or Iran, and understand how THEIR perception of America is likely that the U.S. is bent on destroying their way of life......??But that's not the truth.
If the news reaching them is filtered and distorted is that a reason for inaction on our part?

Because their leadership is lying about what we're doing?

We are trying to moderate their irrational racist hatred yeah...all muslims are filled with racist hate....that why we have to give ALL of them special IDs, extra invasive airport searchs, FBI surveilence and maybe internmant camps come the next attack....

Airline passenger told to conceal Arabic T-shirt
http://www.msnbc.msn.com:80/id/14591252/

a town is not a city. Thanks for embeleshing. didn't know you were so particular about your indesciminate bombing of high concentrations of people....

Nothing like shooting up a gentile church right?

http://joannafrancis.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/israeli-ecumenism/

yeah...all muslims are filled with racist hate....that why we have to give ALL of them special IDs, extra invasive airport searchs, FBI surveilence and maybe internmant camps come the next attack....

.

Find me 10 Muslims in a crowd of Muslims that believe Israel should be left alone to live in peace. The racial hatred is religious based.

If the news reaching them is filtered and distorted is that a reason for inaction on our part? Because their leadership is lying about what we're doing?

I would say that they are being presented just as accurate and unbiased (and likely far more so) reportage --and accounting of the events that are taking place in the Middle East-- from their media than the American Public is from the Corporate U.S. media.

Nothing like shooting up a gentile church right?
Here's the first reader comment after the "article"
"Well done article - but unfortunately the people who most need to see it will be tuned in to Fox News."

Thanks for tracking down an objective media source.

show me...I've seen nothing but an increase in support for Hezbollah. Especially considering they'll have lebanon rebuilt before New Orleans...

From Amir Taheri's article1)Sayyed Ali al-Amin, the grand old man of Lebanese Shiism, has broken years of silence to criticize Hezbollah for provoking the war, and called for its disarmament. In an interview granted to the Beirut An-Nahar, he rejected the claim that Hezbollah represented the whole of the Shiite community. "I don't believe Hezbollah asked the Shiite community what they thought about [starting the] war," Mr. al-Amin said. "The fact that the masses [of Shiites] fled from the south is proof that they rejected the war. The Shiite community never gave anyone the right to wage war in its name."...2)Mona Fayed, a prominent Shiite academic in Beirut, wrote an article also published by An-Nahar last week. She asks: Who is a Shiite in Lebanon today? She provides a sarcastic answer: A Shiite is he who takes his instructions from Iran, terrorizes fellow believers into silence, and leads the nation into catastrophe without consulting anyone....3)Zubair Abboud, writing in Elaph, a popular Arabic-language online newspaper, attacks Hezbollah as "one of the worst things to happen to Arabs in a long time." He accuses Mr. Nasrallah of risking Lebanon's existence in the service of Iran's regional ambitions.

But not all Shia are happy. In fact, secular Shia are outraged. Lebanon's Shia merchant class, like all the country's bourgeoisie, has been devastated by the current conflict. And even some of the devout are privately expressing doubts about Nasrallah's promise to rebuild their decimated villages and neighborhoods with the help of a new "friend"--i.e., Iran. "People are sleeping on the ground, and Nasrallah doesn't care," mutters Umm Hussein, a devout Shia woman from Beirut who says she has never criticized the sayyid before. "He said he was going to make Lebanon like it was before. Is he going to bring back the people who died?"

What is demanded of the proprietors of the "disaster-victory"

By Ali Hamade

An-Nahar, 9/2/06

There are two faces to the attempt to topple the government: the first is public and exposed, and appears violent in tone and position. The other lays low and feeds the "appetite" of the first and its "instincts," which are not new on the local political scene.

The second face is the more dangerous one because it possesses the tools to threaten the government, which today represents the best possible concoction to overcome the disaster that has befallen the country as a result of [a party] singularly seizing the decision of war and peace, and the sparking of the war on Lebanon as we have seen. It is a war that has led to a "disaster-victory." Some victories are so bitter that their proprietors wish they never had them.

Those who represent the second face are trying to escape not just accountability from others, but also the deafening silence of their own constituents; the hundreds of thousands who will follow them with questioning eyes saying: what have you done to us? What have you done to Lebanon?

We don't doubt for one minute that the propaganda machine, which is infested everywhere, will not hesitate one bit to suppress all opposing voices and to stifle dissent within that constituency, which has paid the highest price only to hear words like: "Had I known that the Israeli response would be this big, we wouldn't have kidnapped the two soldiers." Dissenting views that they tried at first to stifle by pumping money from outside the banking system, and then by demanding the state provide a reconstruction plan, even criticizing it three days into the cease-fire, as if it were the state which had brought on the heads of a million Lebanese this historic catastrophe -- not a historic victory as they claim. They forget that millions of other Lebanese, whose citizenship was demeaned on 12 July 2006, have paid and are still paying dearly in their livelihoods, the future of their children, their confidence in Lebanon, and, more dangerously, their confidence in those who tried fooling them into believing they were partners in the homeland, and confidence in their choices which have brought death and destruction.

A victory? Over whom? This was a victory over Lebanon before anything else. It was a victory over the idea of the single homeland. It was a victory over all the Lebanese who wanted nothing more for themselves and their children than a calm life; a civic life, looking ahead towards the future, praising life, not death. In this sense, it is the right of millions of Lebanese, inside and outside Lebanon, to wonder whether the victory which was declared was in fact a defeat for the meaning of Lebanon as a homeland for all the Lebanese. It is their right, in light of the fact that some continue to possess an armed force (and they have declared that they were and still are capable of mounting a coup against the government), to tell them: quit toying with Lebanon and with the decision of the Lebanese. Enough slogans that bring nothing but death, and that please the ears only of those who follow the war on the satellite channels.

It is demanded of those who brought this disaster upon Lebanon to humble themselves a little. To look around and see the size of the "disaster-victory." It is demanded of them to learn a historic lesson and to choose "Lebanon first and last." It is demanded of them to become regular citizens like everybody else, so that the others stop viewing them as a threat to their security and their future.

As for the alternatives, we don't even want to begin contemplating them.

Enough?

Here's the first reader comment after the "article"
"Well done article - but unfortunately the people who most need to see it will be tuned in to Fox News."

Thanks for tracking down an objective media source.
Thanks for not thinking...besides the fact that its a READERS COMMENT, I never purported to show an "objective source" (which never exists anyways). Its this crazy thing on the "internet" called a "blog"...perhaps you've heard of them? this one is by a jew...

I was responding to Old Rebs racist half wit rantings (which I will no longer do) about khafirs or whatever by showing that all religions have names for "non believers" and that ... (resume old post) IDF troops show just as much contemp for christianity because Israel is a jewish state got that? Christians, muslims and arabs are treated as second class citizens which is turning the citizens of Israel into judeosupremicists.


Find me 10 Muslims in a crowd of Muslims that believe Israel should be left alone to live in peace. The racial hatred is religious based. OMG!!! teh Jews r DunFORE!!1!!!1111 Even jews are racist!!!!
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Demonstrations/April2805nyc.cfm

From Amir Taheri's article

Enough?


I'm sorry but I don't believe the Lebanese community see as their own fault. Lebanon is very influneced by pop culture and Lebanese and other Arab musicians. Their music really says something else.


Pascal Macha3lany refuses to leave Lebanon

Although her neighborhood is being bombed, and her mother and friends keep urging her to leave until the war is over, Pascal Macha3lany still refuses to leave Lebanon in these circumstances.

In a phone call with her, Pascal insisted that she wouldn´t leave her country and that she´s become now more attached to Lebanon and more persistent to stay there.

She said she prefers to experience the suffering of her people than to run away in this difficult time, although she does have a Canadian passport, which would allow her to leave with the Canadians who turned to the embassies of their countries for rescue.

Pascal who was committed to a number of festivals and concerts announced that she is canceling everything, and she would not sing in foreign countries while her country is suffering from the war.

Pascal went to several migration centers and made several contributions to help the families there.

Pascal refused to talk about her charity work, explaining that doing good deeds is not something to show off about and lending a helping hand should not be bragged about.

Sami Youssef supports Lebanon and Palestine

British singer Sami Youssef finished recording two songs Ya Allah and Wa Lan Narhal in solidarity with the Lebanese and Palestinian people.

Sami wrote and composed the two songs, he decided to open all his concerts with those two songs discussing the Lebanese and Palestinian crises in order to draw the attention of the Arab and American societies to their case.

Sami is currently in the USA preparing for his US tour where he will perform in many states such as Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, New Jersey, Los Angeles, and Boston.

Nawal El-Zoghby supports her people

Nawal El-Zoghby visited two schools in the south of Lebanon.

The two schools were in in Jell El-Deeb and El-Zalqa where families took refuge there from the south of Lebanon and the Dahya.
Nawal said that she doesn’t feel that people now need a patriotic song, or that the time is appropriate for charity concerts.


She says, These things we can do after the war ends, but now, while we are here among our people, I feel that we have a greater duty in taking a strong reaction which would have a direct effect in immediately alleviating the sufferings of people.

Kuwaiti Nawal sings for Lebanon

Kuwaiti singer Nawal gets ready to participate in a singing operett entitled El-Dameer El-Arabi which is to be presented in Cairo during the coming period.

She will be joined by Abdullah Rowaished, Dawoud Hussein, Wadee El-Safi, Warda El-Gazaereya, Hussein El-Jesmi and Fadl Shaker.

Nawal canceled all her concerts this summer after the Israeli occupation on the Lebanese lands and the effect of this on her. She asked all the people to interfere to cease fire and end this brutal war.

Diana Haddad supports Lebanon

Lebanese singer Diana Haddad is currently participating in the 2nd Jamila Singing Festival for the beautiful historical city of Jamila in Algeria. This festival is to support Lebanon.

Diana stated that participating in this festival is the least she can do to support Lebanese people, as she is currently looking for means to support her country.

50 Arab singers will participate in this festival such as: Kazem El Saher, Abdel Wahab El-Dokaly, Chab Khaled, Lotfy Boshnaq, Naseer Shamma, Ahmed Zein, Carol Sakr, Thoraya Jobran and a large number of singers from different Arab countries.


Julia is for Nasrallah

With all the strength and pride in the world, condemned the slackness of the UN in stopping the aggression on Lebanon.
Julia didn’t forget to make a political stand by saluting Mr. Hassan Nasrallah; her spontaneous speech harshly blamed the UN.

Julia’s voice heralded the independence uprising, and her songs are still the title of any public uprising or national crisis or brutal massacre.



Like I said, it really says something else.

British singer Sami Youssef finished recording two songs Ya Allah and Wa Lan Narhal in solidarity with the Lebanese and Palestinian people.
"British" singer Sami Youssef???? Yeah, his name sure sounds "British" to me...:rolleyes:

You know, it's a good thing Mr. Youssef is so concerned about the terrorist activity in the UK.....

Just out of curiosity, why don't you people just leave the US and Britain and go back? Your allegiance isn't to us, and that's PAINFULLY clear on a multitude of levels. ::Sigh:: I guess you're just here to live a better life, right??? Yeah....that's kind of what I thought...


Oh, and pssst - Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, New Jersey, Los Angeles, and Boston aren't states....

"British" singer Sami Youssef???? Yeah, his name sure sounds "British" to me...:rolleyes:

Nowadays. a name has very little to do with what nationality you are.

You know, it's a good thing Mr. Youssef is so concerned about the terrorist activity in the UK.....

"I don't believe there's a clash of civilizations. I believe there's a clash of the uncivilized. We need a wave of people to come along and bridge the gaps, because we have so much in common, so much to learn from each other. We need to silence the extremists. Let's hope the moderates will take the microphone and be louder." - SAMI YUSUF


guess you're just here to live a better life, right??? Yeah....that's kind of what I thought...

No we're here to bother you Prae.

Oh, and pssst - Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, New Jersey, Los Angeles, and Boston aren't states....

Psst... New Jersey is a state.

Thanks for not thinking...besides the fact that its a READERS COMMENT, I never purported to show an "objective source" (which never exists anyways). Its this crazy thing on the "internet" called a "blog"...perhaps you've heard of them? this one is by a jew...

I was responding to Old Rebs racist half wit rantings (which I will no longer do) about khafirs or whatever by showing that all religions have names for "non believers" and that ... (resume old post) IDF troops show just as much contemp for christianity because Israel is a jewish state got that? Christians, muslims and arabs are treated as second class citizens which is turning the citizens of Israel into judeosupremicists.


OMG!!! teh Jews r DunFORE!!1!!!1111 Even jews are racist!!!!
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Demonstrations/April2805nyc.cfm

Jews don't belong to the religion of submission to radical leaders so they are free to think and say what they think. While they protest the existance of IIsrael, they are not strapping on suicide belts or firing missiles into Israel to kill anyone living there. That job is for Muslim robots.

sure OR...

but that doesn't change the fact that the IDF destroyed a (dare I use gentile?) Christian church for no reason.

sure OR...

but that doesn't change the fact that the IDF destroyed a (dare I use gentile?) Christian church for no reason.

I seem to have missed the part where the IDF destroyed a Christian church, please update me.

sure OR...

but that doesn't change the fact that the IDF destroyed a (dare I use gentile?) Christian church for no reason.


More anti-semite lies.

bahhhahahaa...you declared your ignorence then called it lies before I even responded...your a joke OR a walking, breathing, typing joke....

bahhhahahaa...you declared your ignorence then called it lies before I even responded...your a joke OR a walking, breathing, typing joke....


I must admit that I am ignorant about the IDF destroying the Christian Church for no reason. I only have your word for it. Now that you have made this claim more than once, it is time that you post where you got the information or is it just a little anti-semitic lie.

you declared your ignorence then called it lies before I even responded...your a joke OR a walking, breathing, typing joke....I only point these out when they're used in sentences calling other people dumb.

sure OR...

but that doesn't change the fact that the IDF destroyed a (dare I use gentile?) Christian church for no reason.



I am still waiting for proof that this happened and is not a figment of your fertile imagination for anti-semitic propaganda.

Waiting

Waiting

go back and look at the top of that last page you joke.

Poisonous clouds of pollution spread after Israel air strike
Lebanese minister says damage was deliberate, causing 'an even bigger disaster than the war itself'
By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
Published: 10 September 2006

More people will die as a result of pollution unleashed by Israel's bombing of the Lebanon than perished in the month-long war itself, the Lebanese government believes.

Yacoub Sarraf, its Environment Minister, speaking exclusively to The Independent on Sunday, said last week that a highly poisonous cloud spread over a third of the country - an area that is home to half its people - from a fire in a bombed fuel tank that burned for 12 days.

The same bombing released about four million gallons of oil into the sea, in the largest ever spill in the eastern Mediterranean. He insists that the environmental damage was "deliberately" caused. Experts say that, if this was so, it would constitute a war crime, in breach of both the Geneva Convention and the statute of the International Criminal Court. Israel retorts that any such suggestion is "very ridiculous".

The damage began on 13 July, when Israeli rockets hit a fuel storage tank at the Jiyyeh power station 18 miles south of Beirut. The government managed to repair the damage and prevent an oil spill. But two days later, he continued, the rockets returned, not merely hitting the same tank again - just 25 metres from the sea - but fatally damaging its protective burm, a concrete and earth barrier designed to stop any oil spilling from the tank from reaching the Mediterranean.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1433338.ece

Nice to see that Israel is intentionally poisoning the environment as well.

Lame brain; no where in that article did they mention a church.

Where did you learn to read?

You said the idf destroyed a Christian Church. You made up that part, eh.

And I thought I was a poor reader.

My god your an idiotic racist waste of time. Thanks for proving it to me so I won't waste any more time on you. I know I've said that in the past but repetedly trying to get you to even look at things has shown me I was right from the start. Heres the link again:
http://joannafrancis.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/israeli-ecumenism/

My god your an idiotic racist waste of time. Thanks for proving it to me so I won't waste any more time on you. I know I've said that in the past but repetedly trying to get you to even look at things has shown me I was right from the start. Heres the link again:
http://joannafrancis.wordpress.com/2006/08/31/israeli-ecumenism/

OK, I did miss that link, BUT


You dipsheet, that is a freaking blog. That is like quoting someone from "allforums". Anybody can put up anything on a blog.



http://wordpress.com/


Main Entry: blog

Etymology: short for Weblog
: a Web site that contains an online personal journal with reflections, comments, and often hyperlinks provided by the writer

You dipsheet, that is a freaking blog.

It is a blog with P_I_C_T_U_R_E_S of the decimated churches in question.

Well, since you think blogs are the cats meow then here is a blog for you that will make your hair curl and smoke come out your ears.


http://charlesmartel.blogspot.com/2006/06/islams-black-hole-of-hate.html

Nowadays. a name has very little to do with what nationality you are.
You're right, but I'd be willing to bet Mr. Youssef calls himself a Palestinian-Brit, and not just British. Call it whatever you like - he doesn't give two shits about the UK; he cares about (like you, for that matter) Lebanon, and probably bad-mouths the US and England for being complicit in Israel’s "reign of terror" on innocent Muslim nations.
No we're here to bother you Prae..
Mission accomplished.
Psst... New Jersey is a state.
Oops! You got me...:)

I copied and pasted. I suppose I should have READ them all first, ay?

IDF commander: We fired more than a million cluster bombs in Lebanon
By Meron Rappaport
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/761781.html

"What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs," the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war.

Quoting his battalion commander, the rocket unit head stated that the IDF fired around 1,800 cluster bombs, containing over 1.2 million cluster bomblets.

In addition, soldiers in IDF artillery units testified that the army used phosphorous shells during the war, widely forbidden by international law. According to their claims, the vast majority of said explosive ordinance was fired in the final 10 days of the war.

The rocket unit commander stated that Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) platforms were heavily used in spite of the fact that they were known to be highly inaccurate.

MLRS is a track or tire carried mobile rocket launching platform, capable of firing a very high volume of mostly unguided munitions. The basic rocket fired by the platform is unguided and imprecise, with a range of about 32 kilometers. The rockets are designed to burst into sub-munitions at a planned altitude in order to blanket enemy army and personnel on the ground with smaller explosive rounds.

The use of such weaponry is controversial mainly due to its inaccuracy and ability to wreak great havoc against indeterminate targets over large areas of territory, with a margin of error of as much as 1,200 meters from the intended target to the area hit.

The cluster rounds which don't detonate on impact, believed by the United Nations to be around 40% of those fired by the IDF in Lebanon, remain on the ground as unexploded munitions, effectively littering the landscape with thousands of land mines which will continue to claim victims long after the war has ended.

Because of their high level of failure to detonate, it is believed that there are around 500,000 unexploded munitions on the ground in Lebanon. To date 12 Lebanese civilians have been killed by these mines since the end of the war.

According to the commander, in order to compensate for the inaccuracy of the rockets and the inability to strike individual targets precisely, units would "flood" the battlefield with munitions, accounting for the littered and explosive landscape of post-war Lebanon.

When his reserve duty came to a close, the commander in question sent a letter to Defense Minister Amir Peretz outlining the use of cluster munitions, a letter which has remained unanswered.

'Excessive injury and unnecessary suffering'

It has come to light that IDF soldiers fired phosphorous rounds in order to cause fires in Lebanon. An artillery commander has admitted to seeing trucks loaded with phosphorous rounds on their way to artillery crews in the north of Israel.

A direct hit from a phosphorous shell typically causes severe burns and a slow, painful death.

International law forbids the use of weapons that cause "excessive injury and unnecessary suffering", and many experts are of the opinion that phosphorous rounds fall directly in that category.

The International Red Cross has determined that international law forbids the use of phosphorous and other types of flammable rounds against personnel, both civilian and military.

IDF: No violation of international law
In response, the IDF Spokesman's Office stated that "International law does not include a sweeping prohibition of the use of cluster bombs. The convention on conventional weaponry does not declare a prohibition on [phosphorous weapons], rather, on principles regulating the use of such weapons.

"For understandable operational reasons, the IDF does not respond to [accounts of] details of weaponry in its possession.

"The IDF makes use only of methods and weaponry which are permissible under international law. Artillery fire in general, including MLRS fire, were used in response solely to firing on the state of Israel."

The Defense Minister's office said it had not received messages regarding cluster bomb fire.

The following are excerpts from Understanding Islam by Ali Sina:

Why hasn't democracy worked in [Islamic] countries ? The answer is one word: ISLAM. Islam is the reason no true and long lasting democracy can be established in any Islamic country and it is also the reason why these countries are generally poor, underdeveloped and backward.

Before trying to bring democracy to Islamic countries, we must build its foundation. It means these societies should first become tolerant, respect human rights and ensure that all freedoms are safeguarded. This is where the problem lies. The problem is that such thing can’t happen in Islamic countries because Islam does not allow it.

Islam does not allow Muslims to leave Islam. It does not allow people of other faiths to exercise their religions freely, let alone preach them freely. Islam does not recognize equal human rights for those who are not Muslims nor does it recognize equality for women. Islam does not allow freedom of thought let alone freedom of speech. That is why democracies in Islamic countries don’t work. As long as these countries remain Islamic, there simply can’t be any democracy. As long as they remain undemocratic, they will be a danger to themselves and to the world.

The problem is that Muslims are not going to blend. For that they have to give up their faith. This means that once they become the majority, they will not respect the human rights of others and will terminate all freedoms. The non Muslims in their own countries will be treated as second class citizens and even persecuted the way Hindus are persecuted in Afghanistan , Pakistan and Bangladesh and Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians and Baha’is are mistreated in Iran.

The danger of Islam overtaking the World through procreation is very real. Compared to this danger, Islamic terrorism is child play. With every minute that passes and with every baby that is born to a Muslim family in the West, the threat of Islam keeps growing and the life of democracy become shorter. Humanity is on the course of self destruction, and this is not going to happen in thousands or hundreds of yeas but within a few short decades. As alarmist as it may sound, the world as we know it, is coming to its end. If you are not scared, you should be.

We need to know our enemy and have a roadmap to avoid the big catastrophe that is looming over our collective head. What is at stake is the very survival of mankind. If nothing is done soon, everything will be lost. Compared to the threat of Islam, Nazism and communism were picnic. The problem of Islam is not going to go away. In fact it is only going to worsen. No one is immune. It affects us all.

Ironically, the Islamic terrorism is not our real problem. Our real problem is the Islamic demographic explosion and the dwindling of the population in the civilized countries. Even if we win the war on terror, we will certainly lose the population war. We are on a course of disaster of a biblical proportion.

The problem is not Islamic extremism. The problem is Islam. The root cause of Islamic violence is the Quran, the Hadith (traditions) and the Sunna (the examples set by Muhammad). There can be no moderation in Islam. Moderate Islam is not Islam. Moderate Muslims can easily become extremists. Countries that have had long traditions of tolerance and moderation have become extremists overnight. It is hard to imagine that Arabs prior to Islam were among the most tolerant people of the world.

Today, as we watch the religious intolerance in Pakistan , it is not easy to believe that only a few centuries ago the Pakistanis were tolerant Hindus. It is also hard to believe that the ancestors of the Iranians that today threaten the peace of the world and whose president says Israel must be wiped off the map and have taken human rights abuses to new abysses were the authors of the first charter of human rights ever written. Wherever Islam goes, tolerance gets out and terror sets in.

It is a mistake to count Islam as a religion and give it the same status as given to Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or Buddhism. This is a fundamental mistake. Islam is not an addition to the American or European diversity rainbow. In fact, it wants to scrap the diversity rainbow and replace it with an Islamic cave.

Islam is the brainchild of Muhammad. To understand Islam, one must know its author. The truth about Muhammad can only be found in the early books of history written in the first three centuries of Islam. From there we learn that Muhammad was a marauding chieftain who rose to power through raids and robbery and who did not hesitate to commit assassination, rape, torture and even genocide in order to reach his goal.

The history of Islam is fraught with violence and bloodshed. The source of all this violence is the Quran and, the examples set by Muhammad. To know Islam and to understand Muslims, it’s important to learn the truth about its founder.
Every attempt to reform Islam throughout its history has met with failure. The ills affecting the Islamic world are rooted in Islam itself. This tree will not bring forth sweet fruits by pruning.

You're right, but I'd be willing to bet Mr. Youssef calls himself a Palestinian-Brit, and not just British. Call it whatever you like - he doesn't give two shits about the UK; he cares about (like you, for that matter) Lebanon, and probably bad-mouths the US and England for being complicit in Israel’s "reign of terror" on innocent Muslim nations.

Why don't you write his biography? Or my biography for that matter? Since you know so much about us.

Mission accomplished.

Really that easy.

Oops! You got me...:)

I copied and pasted. I suppose I should have READ them all first, ay?

Well at least you read instead of skipping over them like me. I hadn't noticed until you posted them.

Well at least you read instead of skipping over them like me. I hadn't noticed until you posted them.
No, I'm pretty sure I skipped over them too, and the worst part is I didn't even fully READ what I posted... ;)

Now THAT’S deserving of a bonehead award.

Why don't you write his biography? Or my biography for that matter? Since you know so much about us.
His actions, like yours, are much louder than words.

Now THAT’S deserving of a bonehead award.

Lol...one of the many on allforums.

His actions, like yours, are much louder than words.

What actions? The only thing you can judge me by are my words.

yeah, isn't that what this place is? WORDS?

You dipsheet, that is a freaking blog.-- old-reb

It is a blog with P_I_C_T_U_R_E_S of the decimated churches in question. --Freethinker

Well, since you think blogs are the cats meow then here is a blog for you that will make your hair curl and smoke come out your ears.

WTF?!?!?!........was the blog you referenced supposed to somehow negate or refute the focus of THIS argument, whether or not churches were decimated by Israel??

It didn't. Not in the slightest.

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Americans, who claim to be the freest people in the world, whose beliefs are supposedly rooted in "freedom and democracy", are supporting a racist Israeli entity that is built upon usurped land. Israel's leaders are filled with hatred for Muslims and are commiting genocide against the Palestinian and Lebanese peoples

Freethink,

A blog is a place where anybody can for FREE make what looks like a news report but it is only limited by the bloggers imagination.

I know people who take pictures and make up stories for their blogs. Your blogger copied from another blogger. It was an odd collection of pictures of a damaged church and I don't deny that some churches may have been bombed in the Israel/lebanon war but the comments applied to the pictures were over the top and totally racist and most likely lies.

So you like to post "made up stories" to spread racial hatred against Jews. But that is what you do, isn't it?

I know people who take pictures and make up stories for their blogs. Your blogger copied from another blogger. It was an odd collection of pictures of a damaged church ........

Ok.

You are not convinced the pictures are what they are said to be by the people taking the pictures. Sorry I bothered to try to have a discussion with you. You are one of the most willfully blind people I have encountered when it comes to Israel and what they do.

You may now replace your head in the sand and go on with your merry fantasies of **Everything Muslim= Evil and Murderous/ Everything Jewish= Godly and Benevolent.

So you like to post "made up stories" to spread racial hatred against Jews.

Name one.

But that is what you do, isn't it?

No, i just want people to view Israel for exactly what they do; nothing more, nothing less.

People in the U.S., however, will never view Israel for what it is, because their actions are continully whitewashed and/or ignored and/or glossed over by the pro-Israel mainstream Press coverage (of Middle East events) in the U.S.

A blog is a place where anybody can for FREE make what looks like a news report but it is only limited by the bloggers imagination.
That depends on the blog, as not all blogs are free. Many have various topics and there are weblogs out there that do report the latest in news, entertainment, etc. Just because it is a "blog" doesn't mean it isn't factual. If you question a claim, or want to further investigate, then do so.
Israel/lebanon war but the comments applied to the pictures were over the top and totally racist and most likely lies.
"Over the top" and "totally racist" coming from old-reb? You've made more than your share of prejudiced remarks on these boards. Should we not believe you because they are "over the top" and "most likely lies"?