Italian police were searching yesterday for a man suspected of involvement in the killing of a Pakistani woman after her father and uncle were charged with slitting her throat because she dated an Italian man and refused to conform to an Islamic lifestyle.

Investigators believe the third suspect helped the father and uncle kill Hina Saleem, 21. The woman’s body was found buried in the family’s garden in Sarezzo on Saturday. Her father and uncle were taken into custody on Monday.

Investigators said they were looking into the theory that the grave was dug before the woman was killed. It is thought a long kitchen knife was used to slit her throat.

The Milan daily Corriere della Sera reported that the victim’s father had applied for Italian citizenship two months ago. Applicants must convince authorities that they also embrace “fundamental” rights, including the right of a woman “to choose her own life”, said the interior minister, Giuliano Amato.

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Italian police were searching yesterday for a man suspected of involvement in the killing of a Pakistani woman after her father and uncle were charged with slitting her throat because she dated an Italian man and refused to conform to an Islamic lifestyle.

Investigators believe the third suspect helped the father and uncle kill Hina Saleem, 21. The woman’s body was found buried in the family’s garden in Sarezzo on Saturday. Her father and uncle were taken into custody on Monday.

Investigators said they were looking into the theory that the grave was dug before the woman was killed. It is thought a long kitchen knife was used to slit her throat.

The Milan daily Corriere della Sera reported that the victim’s father had applied for Italian citizenship two months ago. Applicants must convince authorities that they also embrace “fundamental” rights, including the right of a woman “to choose her own life”, said the interior minister, Giuliano Amato.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

Not in Italy but if he were in Canada he would. And then he would disappear into the populous forever. We only send back immigrants who can be easily tracked. You know, like if you have a house, and a wife and a kid in school and are contributing to society in a meaninful way so that they can easily find you with little effort on Immigration's part. Then they walk up to your door, tell you you don't qualify for whatever reason and boom...two weeks later they hoist your ass out.

Italian police were searching yesterday for a man suspected of involvement in the killing of a Pakistani woman after her father and uncle were charged with slitting her throat because she dated an Italian man and refused to conform to an Islamic lifestyle.



Would you say that the Pakistani minority are racist against Italians and their Christain ways?

No, just very backward with a lack of respect for human life.

No, just very backward with a lack of respect for human life.

And how do you think they came to be this way? Could it be religious teachings or just genetic?

And how do you think they came to be this way? Could it be religious teachings or justgenetic ?
Are you serious?

Are you serious?

Only one choice is serious. It is something that most people will deny until the end.

Why did you highlight the word "genetic", Elp?

Is it because you think it's ridiculous to ascribe actions to their genetics, or is it because you think their religious teachings make them act like lunatics?

People on this board have an odd fascination with Islam. Seems a lot like jealously but of course that's how it comes off to me. But in response to frogger, this guy will not get his citizenship papers.

Why did you highlight the word "genetic", Elp?

Is it because you think it's ridiculous to ascribe actions to their genetics, or is it because you think their religious teachings make them act like lunatics?

The first one Prae.

People on this board have an odd fascination with Islam. Seems a lot like jealously but of course that's how it comes off to me.
What the Hell are you talking about, Googs? "Jealousy"??? Don't make me laugh.

The first one Prae.
Thanks.

What the Hell are you talking about, Googs? "Jealousy"??? Don't make me laugh.

I'm not trying to make you laugh Prae. It just seems like you guys are.

People on this board have an odd fascination with Islam. Seems a lot like jealously but of course that's how it comes off to me. yes just like how certain terrorists are 'jealous of our freedom' right googs?...
Only one choice is serious. It is something that most people will deny until the end. bwahahahaaaa...I knew you were a racist old **edited by es347fan**....

I'm not trying to make you laugh Prae. It just seems like you guys are.
And why would we be jealous??? Are we jealous of your living standards? How "forward-thinking" your religion is? How advanced Islamic technology is? How powerful Islamic industry is? What???

Please enlighten me -

Name ONE thing.

People on this board have an odd fascination with Islam. Seems a lot like jealously but of course that's how it comes off to me. But in response to frogger, this guy will not get his citizenship papers.

Yeah I'm really jealous of a religion that makes women dress up so all you can see is their eyes. Talk about repression, of any religion if I had to take a choice Islam would be dead last.

bwahahahaaaa...I knew you were a racist old **edited by es347fan**....


Hmmm, I wish I could have seen the unedited version.

The guy kills his own daughter because she dates an Italian and I suggest that he might be racist toward Italians and you accuse me of being racist.

My daughter dated an East Indian for about a year in high school and the boys father told me up front that the boy would not marry my daughter but would marry a good Indian girl. I would say the Indian was racist but 500 would reason that it was me that was racist.

Yeah I'm really jealous of a religion that makes women dress up so all you can see is their eyes. Talk about repression, of any religion if I had to take a choice Islam would be dead last.

Shows how much you know about Islam. Women aren't required to cover their face. And I bet you didn't know that men in Islam also have a dress code. And I would like to add on that many Muslim women actually feel sorry for women in the West. The hijab, the dress code for women and men , is made to preserve the dignity and modesty of a Muslim. I don't expect you to understand that because you aren't Muslim.

“Say to the believing men to lower their gazes and guard their chastity,” (An-Nur: 30) “And say to the believing women to lower their gazes and guard their chastity, and let them not display of their charm - except what is apparent.” (An-Nur: 31)

And I would like to add on that many Muslim women actually feel sorry for women in the West.
Don't worry - I think the feeling is mutual.

I believe in freedom and would fight to resist a religion that required me to dress in a certain way and to pray 5 times a day.

Also this dress code has caused lot of friction between Muslims and Christians, expecially in Australia. There Muslims have been jailed for raping Christian women who didn't follow Islamic dress code and also Islamic groups have traveled the beaches assaulting women in bikinis.

Even non-muslims are subject to Islamic dress code. If a Christian woman goes into Iran or Saudia Arabia then she must dress like a Muslim or pay the cost. Any woman driving a car in Saudia Arabia will be pulled over and beaten by the religious police. Did I just say "religious police"? Yes, they have them.

In Iraq we fight for their freedoms, but a man there was found guilty and condemed to death for converting to Christianity. When Bush got involved and pushed the issue, they just said the man was crazy and turned him over to the US.

Women aren't required to cover their face.

What are they required to cover googs?

And I would like to add on that many Muslim women actually feel sorry for women in the West.

Why do they feel sorry for us?

The hijab, the dress code for women and men , is made to preserve the dignity and modesty of a Muslim.

Can you explain this further for me please. Thanks

I believe in freedom and would fight to resist a religion that required me to dress in a certain way and to pray 5 times a day.

Sure it's a requirement but you dont have to oblige to it.

Also this dress code has caused lot of friction between Muslims and Christians, expecially in Australia. There Muslims have been jailed for raping Christian women who didn't follow Islamic dress code and also Islamic groups have traveled the beaches assaulting women in bikinis.

In a truly Islamic country, those rapists would be condemed.

Even non-muslims are subject to Islamic dress code. If a Christian woman goes into Iran or Saudia Arabia then she must dress like a Muslim or pay the cost. Any woman driving a car in Saudia Arabia will be pulled over and beaten by the religious police. Did I just say "religious police"? Yes, they have them.

Just as citizens and tourists of any country have to oblige to the countries policies.

In Iraq we fight for their freedoms, but a man there was found guilty and condemed to death for converting to Christianity. When Bush got involved and pushed the issue, they just said the man was crazy and turned him over to the US.

i think it was Afghanistan not Iraq... But regardless the War in Iraq has managed to kill many of innocent Iraqi civilians.

The hijab, the dress code for women and men , is made to preserve the dignity and modesty of a Muslim.
Yeah, with the penalty being death if you don't wear one. God forbid they should decide to denounce the Muslim religion. They might just wind up getting their throat sliced by their own fucking FATHER and UNCLE only to be buried in some backyard garden.

Face it, your culture is arcane to the west, and your religion has brainwashed you and your compatriots to the outer regions of galactic stupidity. If anyone feels badly for you, it's the west. You people are savages.

What are they required to cover googs?

For women, it's everything besides their hands, feet and face. For men, it's a little more complicated. If he was to wear a shirt, it must be past the navel and covering his shoulders. For pants, it must be past the knees. And for both, they have to wear loose clothes. So no asshuggers for men.


Why do they feel sorry for us?

Because of the way women are exploited in the West. It seems in the West the only thing women know how to sell is sex. Of course its not but that's how it comes off.



Can you explain this further for me please. Thanks[/QUOTE]

It keeps men from drooling over women, and vice versa.

Yeah, with the penalty being death if you don't wear one. God forbid they should decide to denounce the Muslim religion. They might just wind up getting their throat sliced by their own fucking FATHER and UNCLE only to be buried in some backyard garden.

Face it, your culture is arcane to the west, and your religion has brainwashed you and your compatriots to the outer regions of galactic stupidity. If anyone feels badly for you, it's the west. You people are savages.

Prae, everything your saying is quite contrary to Islamic beliefs. But you can go ahead and run your mouth all you want.

Don't worry - I think the feeling is mutual.


You may think, I know. :thumbs:

Shows how much you know about Islam. Women aren't required to cover their face. And I bet you didn't know that men in Islam also have a dress code. And I would like to add on that many Muslim women actually feel sorry for women in the West. The hijab, the dress code for women and men , is made to preserve the dignity and modesty of a Muslim. I don't expect you to understand that because you aren't Muslim.

“Say to the believing men to lower their gazes and guard their chastity,” (An-Nur: 30) “And say to the believing women to lower their gazes and guard their chastity, and let them not display of their charm - except what is apparent.” (An-Nur: 31)

Yep, and women are free to stay off the streets unless accompanied by an adult, male relative while men roam around at will. Women are free to not get an equal education if they get any education at all. Women are free to not be allowed to drive a car. Women are free to get killed if they date someone their male relatives don't approve of. Women are free to be raped as a form of punishement for crimes committed by their male relatives.

Right, googs, those lucky Islamic women.

I hear that rather than being forced to walk five places behind their men Moslem women are now forced to walk five places in front of them. Lots of unexploded land mines.

It keeps men from drooling over women, and vice versa.
Oh, and we can't have that now, can we? :rolleyes: There's nothing better than a little forced (how did you put it) "dignity and modesty", right? Have you ever once given thought to how backwards and oppressive your culture is? Oh, wait - of course you have; you live here.

You may think, I know. :thumbs:
Good. Then you know they feel sorry for you. I couldn't agree more.

Sure it's a requirement but you dont have to oblige to it.
If you don't care about dying.
Just as citizens and tourists of any country have to oblige to the countries policies.
Like, say........being forced to carry an ID card???

If you don't care about dying.
where does it say that in the quran?

Like, say........being forced to carry an ID card???
Exactly, just as long as everyone does it. :thumbs:

I have to respect googs for saying what he believes and I am glad he is involved in these debates. 500 just seems so insincere.

I have to respect googs for saying what he believes and I am glad he is involved in these debates.


Likewise old-reb. :thumbs:

Exactly, just as long as everyone does it. :thumbs:
Not "everyone" in Saudi Arabia is beaten for not wearing the proper garb - just the women are. How does that kind of selective enforcement differ from making Muslims carry an ID card? I'll tell you: On one hand, you have the populace reacting to a very real threat. On the other, you have a backwards and misogynistic populace that sanctions beating women who don't dress "properly". Now you tell me which one sounds more fucked up to you.

I can’t believe you'd even argue this.

My daughter dated an East Indian for about a year in high school and the boys father told me up front that the boy would not marry my daughter but would marry a good Indian girl. I would say the Indian was racist but 500 would reason that it was me that was racist.Umm...no...thanks for trying to answer for me but you are completely wrong. I guess it would have just been far to hard to ask my opinion so you just pretended to stick it in there right? Had nothing to do with trying to portray me in a manner that benefits you now does it?....

The indian guy was racist.

Sorry I misunderstood your earlier post. I thought you were implying that genetically arabs are bloodthirsty because I figured most people were well aware that religious fanatics are violent. But I would still label you a fool if you think that it only pertains to islam. The only reason that it is more prevalent in Islam is because of the Israel/Palestine conflict and the fact that Muslims tend to be more devoted to their religion. There are plenty of "sunday cristians" but their equivalent in Islam is someone who only prays once a day instead of 5.

I have no problem with Islam or those who choose to worship it.

That said Iran, Arabia and other theocratic fascists that run such countries can rot in hell.

The guys in this story are obviously religious whack jobs.

googs conveniently overlooks the dark side of Islam.

Women do not have rights under Islam and are treated as third class citizens, behind men and even boys.

The penalty for homosexuality is death.

The penalty for apostacy, irtidad is death.

Non-Moslems in Moslem run countries are subject to special tax.

It is admirable that goods supports his faith but it would be more admirable if he addressed the above issues and denounced them.

googs conveniently overlooks the dark side of Islam.

Women do not have rights under Islam and are treated as third class citizens, behind men and even boys.

The penalty for homosexuality is death.

The penalty for apostacy, irtidad is death.

Non-Moslems in Moslem run countries are subject to special tax.

It is admirable that goods supports his faith but it would be more admirable if he addressed the above issues and denounced them.

You must understand that Islam is the religion of submission. Rebellion is not allowed. You wouldn't want anything bad to happen to googs, would you?

Umm...no...thanks for trying to answer for me but you are completely wrong. I guess it would have just been far to hard to ask my opinion so you just pretended to stick it in there right? Had nothing to do with trying to portray me in a manner that benefits you now does it?....

The indian guy was racist.

Sorry I misunderstood your earlier post. I thought you were implying that genetically arabs are bloodthirsty because I figured most people were well aware that religious fanatics are violent. But I would still label you a fool if you think that it only pertains to islam. The only reason that it is more prevalent in Islam is because of the Israel/Palestine conflict and the fact that Muslims tend to be more devoted to their religion. There are plenty of "sunday cristians" but their equivalent in Islam is someone who only prays once a day instead of 5.

I have no problem with Islam or those who choose to worship it.

That said Iran, Arabia and other theocratic fascists that run such countries can rot in hell.

The guys in this story are obviously religious whack jobs.


You are a slippery eel, I just can't predict you yet.

How can you think that a Pakastani ,living in Itlay, who kills his daughter because she dated an Italian Christian is not a racist? This same thing happens in France, Germany, Australia etc, etc and it is always a middle eastern Muslim who kills their own family rather than let them leave the cold grey walls of Islam. Muslims in Western countries always accuse their host of being racist when in fact it is the guest Muslims who are racist.

Even in Jim Crow South there was no one who would kill their daughter rather than see her married to a black. l

ummm...where did I say it wasn't?

Not only is it racist but its stupid, selfish and psychotic...

ummm...where did I say it wasn't?

Not only is it racist but its stupid, selfish and psychotic...

Here is your reply when I said the Pakistani Muslim was racist toward his Italian Christian host people. You replied by calling me a racist.

It is typical in the West that Pakistani Muslims claim to be victims of racism when it is in fact the Pakistani's that are racist. So racist that they will kill their own kin to keep them from being with Kafirs.


Only one choice is serious. It is something that most people will deny until the end.
bwahahahaaaa...I knew you were a racist old **edited by es347fan**....

Here is your reply when I said the Pakistani Muslim was racist toward his Italian Christian host people. You replied by calling me a racist.

It is typical in the West that Pakistani Muslims claim to be victims of racism when it is in fact the Pakistani's that are racist. So racist that they will kill their own kin to keep them from being with Kafirs.Just because someone is a racist himself doesn't mean he can't be a victim of racism.

ahhh, thought I already explained that...I thought you were seriously pushing the idea of genetic disposition towards terrorism...

unfortunatly the internet is a poor communicator of sarcasm.

ahhh, thought I already explained that...I thought you were seriously pushing the idea of genetic disposition towards terrorism...

unfortunatly the internet is a poor communicator of sarcasm.:thumbs: :thumbs: maybe I should use smily faces for sarcasm.;)