Did I mention you porker fans are all alike? The stench of the moldy cheese gets worse and worse every day, every year it seems.

That's Limburger. It's quite the delicacy.

Soon the ViQueens fans will put down their Perrier and sushi and notice that their team has lost six games in a row, and they will march dejectedly out of the Metrodome (or actually, will be violently blown out by those mysterious winds) to go home and watch some Gopher hockey games.

Did I mention you porker fans are all alike? The stench of the moldy cheese gets worse and worse every day, every year it seems.

It smells fine outdoors, which is a place Vikings fans are unfamilair with.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Soon the ViQueens fans will put down their Perrier and sushi and notice that their team has lost six games in a row
II'd rather have Perrier and sushi right now, rather than the moldy bread, gruel and flat diet soda they get force fed on the field, week in and week out.

Originally posted by Imagineer
It smells fine outdoors, which is a place Vikings fans are unfamilair with.
C'mon, you've got a better argument than that...cause I actually agree with you. Stupid dome....The Vikes belong outdoors!

The Buffalo Bills play outside at home & what good does it do?

C'mon, you've got a better argument than that...cause I actually agree with you. Stupid dome....The Vikes belong outdoors!

All the yuppies that start paying attention to the team about halfway through the season would never sit outside. Their tiramisu would be ruined.

Originally posted by LionelHutz

All the yuppies that start paying attention to the team about halfway through the season would never sit outside. Their tiramisu would be ruined.
True. Most of them would rather sit at home and "get the experience" of a football game while watching their 10-80-P-L-C-D-H-D-T-V. But since I come from one of the No-Man's lands of pro football, I'd sit through a game no matter what. It's a rare experience for people like me.

How about this then. At least if the Packers were going to take a cruise with strippers, they'd have enough sense to get out of sight of shore before having sex on the deck.

How about this then. At least if the Packers were going to take a cruise with strippers, they'd have enough sense to get out of sight of shore before having sex on the deck.

They would these days, but they didn't back in the Forrestt Gregg era.

That was a private stairwell.

The Bills had a great weekend ... they were off!

I am hoping the Bills encounter with the Packers next weekend results in the Packers extending their winning streak and reaching .500.

Scary thought. I was kind of thinking almost the same thing from the other side. At least they're playing outside in the elements.
Buffalo had a fine opportunity to build a dome when funding for a new stadium was being sought. As miserable as the weather there can be, one would think it would be the right thing to do. Noooooo. You got to be tough to be a faithful fan & attend games in Novemeber and December ... and bring a snow shovel.

Browns beat the Jets. Life is good.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/3950/brownsdawgio4.jpg

Scary thought. I was kind of thinking almost the same thing from the other side. At least they're playing outside in the elements.
Buffalo had a fine opportunity to build a dome when funding for a new stadium was being sought. As miserable as the weather there can be, one would think it would be the right thing to do. Noooooo. You got to be tough to be a faithful fan & attend games in Novemeber and December ... and bring a snow shovel.

Outside in the elements is where football belongs. Packers fans are familair with snow, although Buffalo has more than anyone else. This week we achieved something that seldom happens. Two running backs with a hundred yards rushing each. The last time the Packers did that was in the blizzard game vs. Tampa Bay in the 1980s. That was the game where fans were toboganning in the stands at Lambeau Field. Bring on the snow.

something that seldom happens?

how about the Colts going 7-0 for the second consecutive season.. something that hasn't been done since the late 1920's....

What a game.. Peyton grinding out another victory.

I think he may be the front runner for MVP now... McNabb has fallen off, and LT isn't on as good of a team.

Wow ... it's half-time & Minnesota is being handled by New England ... 10 - zip

Wow ... it's half-time & Minnesota is being handled by New England ... 10 - zip

Oh what an asswhuppin that was. 31 - 7!! What team did the Vikings bring to the stadium? That's one like Buffalo takes! :lolhit:

Originally posted by es347fan
What team did the Vikings bring to the stadium?
Certainly wasn't the team from a week ago.

I know, they brought the Bills second string!

The swoon isn't supposed to start until week 10!

Ever since Trent Green went down (which was immediately) I've been trying to find a decent QB, and my boy from Minnesota isn't cutting it.

Certainly wasn't the team from a week ago.

They just didn't manage to injure the opponents quarterback this week.

Most Overrrated Player

In a poll of 361 NFL players, 10% voted Terrell Owens as most overrated.
Now there's a real shock--there's some surprises here tho, IMO.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/players/10/24/poll.1024/index.html?cnn=yes

Originally posted by LionelHutz
The swoon isn't supposed to start until week 10!
What's this "swoon" you speak of? Minnesota's November schedule features teams with a combined current record of 7-22. I'm not going to jump ahead and say we'll win all of them, but the odds are in our favor.

By the way, what were you doing with Brad Johnson as your QB anyway?

Originally posted by Imagineer
They just didn't manage to injure the opponents quarterback this week.
Don't think that would have helped much. The Pats defense manhandled and dismantled our offensive line and forced Johnson to make a lot of bad decisions. But no worries, cause next week is against one of the NFL's cures for a hangover: the 49ers.

most overrated player should be Ben Rothelisburger... hands down

In a poll of 361 NFL players, 10% voted Terrell Owens as most overrated.
Now there's a real shock--there's some surprises here tho, IMO.

Not that I think he should be on there, but I'm a little surprised Favre isn't on there.

What's this "swoon" you speak of?

The six or seven game losing streak the Vikings seem to end every season with.

Minnesota's November schedule features teams with a combined current record of 7-22. I'm not going to jump ahead and say we'll win all of them, but the odds are in our favor.

Such things matter not when the swoon is in effect!

By the way, what were you doing with Brad Johnson as your QB anyway?

He was my backup until Green went down. Now my best QB option appears to be Kitna. Sheesh.

This game also sucks!!!, boring as hell!, and the idiots getting that egg ball to the other end, get 6 points, as if he had done it six times.

Originally posted by liebitz
This game also sucks!!!, boring as hell!, and the idiots getting that egg ball to the other end, get 6 points, as if he had done it six times.
You like what you want....

As for all that stuff that Lionel said........November 12....it's on boy!

It is soooo retarded watching analyst after analyst after analyst jump on the Tom Brady bandwagon... pretty much every guy i have seen has said they'd take Tom Brady over Peyton Manning... and i'd like to know what crack they are taking.

I already wrote a lengthy piece on the subject... and i dont want anyone to think that I think Tom Brady "sucks".. because i dont. He's a top tier QB who happens to have one of the best defenses, best offensive lines, and best running games in the league... its hard NOT to win when you have those three elements...

Manning, meanwhile.. has a decent Offensive line, below average run game, and one of the worst defenses in the league...

Brady is freakin product of the system.. i'd LOVE to see Brady fill Peyton's shoes.. because if you put Manning in New England.. thats instant super bowl hands down.

Brady is freakin product of the system..

I wouldn't go that far. Or at least he's no more a product of the system than any of the other big name QBs.

i'd LOVE to see Brady fill Peyton's shoes.. because if you put Manning in New England.. thats instant super bowl hands down.I thought you wanted the Colts to win the Super Bowl.

I thought you wanted the Colts to win the Super Bowl.

o trust me .. i do..

all i'm saying is that if Peyton Manning had all the luxeries Tom Brady has (excellent Defense, excellent running game, better offensive line)... Manning would have a super bowl easy...

meanwhile... if Tom Brady went to indianapolis, i dont think he could produce the offensive numbers Manning put up.. mainly because Brady doesn't read defenses while Manning does. Manning is pretty much his own offensive coordinator...

As for Brady being a product of the system... Brady has never had to out-shoot anybody.. his defense is so good that he hardly ever has to put numbers up in the 20-30 point range.. something that Manning HAS to do on a weekly basis...

Manning is the better QB because he scores more points, thats a Quarterback's job.. to score points - not to score less points and have a good defense.

all i'm saying is that if Peyton Manning had all the luxeries Tom Brady has (excellent Defense, excellent running game, better offensive line)... Manning would have a super bowl easy...

I'd say that Brady picked up his rings (or at least two of them) before they really had a great running game.

meanwhile... if Tom Brady went to indianapolis, i dont think he could produce the offensive numbers Manning put up.. mainly because Brady doesn't read defenses while Manning does. Manning is pretty much his own offensive coordinator...

Every good QB has to read defenses and make adjustments at the line. Calling plays isn't really the same thing, because you're doing it without the benefit of having seen the defense yet. Which isn't to take anything away from Manning, because I suspect there aren't that many QBs that would be good at calling their own plays.

As for Brady being a product of the system... Brady has never had to out-shoot anybody.. his defense is so good that he hardly ever has to put numbers up in the 20-30 point range.. something that Manning HAS to do on a weekly basis...

Not having to be in shoot-outs isn't Brady's fault. Maybe if he had to he'd do it just fine.

Manning is the better QB because he scores more points, thats a Quarterback's job.. to score points - not to score less points and have a good defense.

If Indy developed a better defense, would that mean that Manning suddenly becomes a worse QB?

Manning's a better QB because he does all of the QB stuff a little better than Brady. All of these external factors are irrelevant.

The Buffalo Bills thumped the Green Bay Packers! 24 - 10

The Washington Redskins beat the Dallas Cowboys! 22 - 19

Now if I win some lotto money tonight, that'll be the icing on the cake.

I watched that game, and the number of turnovers was the key. The Packers self destructed, despite moving the ball well, and playing good defense. You just can't win when you turn the ball over four times. With that said, Buffalo also played well, particulairly on defense. They really had coverage of the quick slant pass, which is difficult. They also guessed well when it was coming. My complements to the defensive coaching staff on that.

Didn't get to see either game. They weren't shown in this area. Got to see Atlanta get humiliated by Detroit.

I am thrilled to report that our record is now a sparkling 2-6.

I'll say this for Charlie Frye--he makes goofs, but he's mobile and unafraid. hoping for better things to come and soon.

Go Dolphins!!! ok, i'm not a fan, but glad they beat the bears.... now someone has to beat the damn colts.

*points & laughs at the cowboys*

No excuses for the Vikings this week. That was a terrible showing against the 49ers. And I thought this team had a hangover AFTER the blowout by the Pats...

It wasn't on down here, but I know I probly would have yawned my way through it.

and one of the worst defenses in the league...
In 2005, need I remind you, Indy's defense was 2nd in points allowed and 11th in yards allowed. Though they suck quite a bit more this year, yes.

In 2005, need I remind you, Indy's defense was 2nd in points allowed and 11th in yards allowed. Though they suck quite a bit more this year, yes.

no doubt.. we had a good unit last year... i think we were 8th overall... and we really had no excuse for losing to the steelers. I think everyone can agree that if they played that game 10 times, the Colts would probably win 8... i think the Colts just came out flat after a bye week. It fits with the way they play football.. they are a "sync" team.. they dont run you over with up-the-middle runs, they systematically pass quick hits or long patterns.. and also use stretch run plays. It sucks that the bye week actually HURT them, at least it did in my opinion.. i mean, the evidence speaks for itself. We dominated the steelers in the regular season 26-7... but came out and found ourselves down 14-0 after the first few drives in the playoffs.. a valient comeback but just too much ground to make up.. a damn shame...

but back to the point.. last season was last season... and this year is different. Cory Simon is injured, Mike Doss is out for the year, Montae Reagor is out, Bob Sanders has been hurt, as has Harper.. we havnt had our defense healthy.. and it has showed. Our D has been pretty bad this year.

BUT.. Peyton Manning is having the the best season of his career... even though he's not having that breakout 49 TD pass year like he did in 2004.. he's doing the little things, and scoring when he NEEDS to.. with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Manning has been unbreakable this year... easily the MVP of the league

EVERY SINGLE ANALYST on espn had the colts losing to the Patriots.. and EVERY SINGLE ANALYST said they'd take Tom Brady over Peyton Manning.. well, the colts won 27-20, and Manning clearly outplayed Brady... so i just want to know whats up??? I want to go on ESPN hot list and get all those idiots who got on the Tom Brady train only because he had his best game of the year on monday night.. and say "hey guys... i thought the colts were going to lose? I thought Brady was better? Whats up???"... and see what they say? Sometimes "experts" and "analysts" are pretty retarded...

eagles up 3-0

10-0

Cleveland Browns over the Atlanta Falcons 14-0 early in the 2nd quarter!

Cleveland Browns over the Atlanta Falcons 14-0 early in the 2nd quarter!
:thumbs:

eagles scored again.

someone moved the tv out of the conference room.
i wanna watch this game! :(

As for all that stuff that Lionel said........November 12....it's on boy!


And it's over. Guess who didn't win. Swoon.

Vikings have taken a dive... they aren't the team they were to start thats for sure..

Oh.. and i hope everyone noticed.. the team that was supposed to beat the colts last week lost to the Jets, and the guy who is "better than Peyton Manning" got sacked on the final play... good job Brady.. and great call on THAT one analysts...

Cleveland Browns over the Atlanta Falcons 14-0 early in the 2nd quarter!

And....they win it!!!!

All is well here in Browns Happy Land.

Atlanta only let the jr varsity's 3rd squad out to play today - or so it seemed.

they aren't the team they were to start thats for sure..

They never are - for as long as I can remember they start hot and end badly.

and the guy who is "better than Peyton Manning" got sacked on the final play...

Jeez Decka, let it go. Fixate much?

Oh.. and i hope everyone noticed.. the team that was supposed to beat the colts last week lost to the Jets, and the guy who is "better than Peyton Manning" got sacked on the final play... good job Brady.. and great call on THAT one analysts...

Don't get him mad, the Packers play the Patriots next week. With the Packer's less than stellar secondary this year it could be a painful experience. I am, of course, grateful that we don't have to play the Colts.

San Fran has won 2 in a row! one on the road even!

Originally posted by Imagineer
And it's over. Guess who didn't win. Swoon.
And the injuries keep mounting as well...tough break for Childress.

Jeez Decka, let it go. Fixate much?

NOOOOO i wont let it go Lionel LOL... YES i am fixated, YES i am obsessed.. i LOVE watching Tom Brady lose!!! I mean, after years of people telling me Tom Brady is "just a winner" ... i call bullshit.. he's had a much easier route to win games than Peyton Manning... I AM obsessed with the fact that people actually picked Brady over Manning.. you have to be an IDIOT to do that, right??? am i right??? i mean come on.. lets not be retarded.

I'll also say my Indianapolis Colts DO have something to prove.. last year was supposed to be "their year".. and they didn't get it done. I think this year should prove different results, but up to this point you CAN make the claim that Manning isn't AS GOOD in the postseason overall as in the regular season... even though he's had very good postseason games...

And imagineer, that Pats Defense isn't as good as it used to be.. i hope Farve airs out 4 TD's and a win over the Pats... I want to see Brady on his arse again like he was against the New York Jets last week...

Colts vs. Dallas this week.. this could be a trap game for the Colts. The talk of a "perfect season" has begun.. but Dallas is a dangerous team. They run the ball well, and Julius Jones is an evasive but yet powerful back.. while Tony Romo might be able to get away from Freeney and company's rush. Meanwhile.. im not sure who is going to guard Terrell Owens. I'm definitely worried about this game, but losing one game might be good for us, who knows.

And imagineer, that Pats Defense isn't as good as it used to be.. i hope Farve airs out 4 TD's and a win over the Pats... I want to see Brady on his arse again like he was against the New York Jets last week...

I want to see that also, but I am also a realist. The Packers are improving, but are not yet a great team. It is unlikely that Tauscher, our veteran right offensive tackle will play this week after his groin injury last week. That means we will be starting 3 rookies on the line. The Pat's defense may not be great, but our offense is limping. Also, we have only three healthy wide recievers. Bodiford, the guy we picked up from Detroit broke his leg last week.
Our pass rush is good, but every week we seem to give away a free touchdown on blown pass coverage. I don't think we can do that this week and win.

A heartbreaking loss today to our nemesis, the Steelers, who we can't seem to beat no matter how bad they are or where we play.

Until we break this mental advantage they have over us, we will never move on.
It was a heartbreaking loss and I wonder why I put myself through this misery, year in and year out.

Ours not to reason why......

Colts lose today too, to God's team. It is written, NO ONE beats God's team, especially at HIs very own stadium.
This might not be a bad thing for the Colts tho. Better to suffer a loss midseason than to go undefeated thru most of the season untested and then quickly lose in the playoffs.

"It doesn't matter if you win every game. What matters is if you win the championship".

Vince Lombardi

PS Decka, I dislike Tom Brady too and love to see the Patriots lose on any Sunday. Don't know why it is I dislike them so, but I do. Maybe it's their cocky attitide , or the fact that they just haven't suffered enough to be talked about like they're the greatest thing since canned beer.

There was something definitely amiss with the Gods of Football today .... Buffalo won on the road!

Well someone went and upset the Patriots and they took it out on the Packers. This was the worst game the Packers have played in years, and that was before Favre got injured. It was really painful after that.
The news on Favre is that he injured his right arm, and that it probably isn't serious, but he has no strength in the arm. He also apparently has foot problems and a groin pull. It may well be the Aaron Rodgers era now.

Yea.. i was actually saying this is probably a trap game for the Colts.. i saw a few plays that were questionable that went the Cowboys' way...

#1 Harrison touched the Cowboy defender, who went to the ground after an interception and then ran it back for a Touchdown. It should have been Cowboys ball on the 39 yard line and not a TD...

#2 Roy Williams pushed Dallas Clark over and then intercepted the pass at the goal line... blatant interference.

#3 on 4th and 2 at the end of the game, Dallas Clark was held and contacted illegally, no call.

Its not that big of a deal.. i think a loss is good for the Colts. But today the Cowboys were the better team, Romo looked good, and we were just a bit off.

As for the Browns, all i can say is 1 play changed that ENTIRE GAME.. and that was Eason letting up and not sacking Big Ben, and then having Ben throw it away. Refs have scared linemen SO MUCH over the years with the fear of a penalty that Eason had to hold up because he thought Ben threw it when he only pump faked... That is proof that the rules are too strict. So the Steelers had 2nd and 10 instead of 2nd and 20.. big difference. I dont see the Steelers converting 2nd and 20 on that drive, the momentum hadn't built up enough yet...

The news on Favre is that he injured his right arm, and that it probably isn't serious, but he has no strength in the arm. He also apparently has foot problems and a groin pull. It may well be the Aaron Rodgers era now.

I think Marino paid the Patriots to take Favre out.

ya! Niners win again! beat he division rival Seachickens at home! 3 in a row.

Well someone went and upset the Patriots and they took it out on the Packers. This was the worst game the Packers have played in years, and that was before Favre got injured. It was really painful after that.
The news on Favre is that he injured his right arm, and that it probably isn't serious, but he has no strength in the arm. He also apparently has foot problems and a groin pull. It may well be the Aaron Rodgers era now.


Strangely enough, Favre is apparently OK, and is possibly going to play this weekend. On the other hand, Rodgers broke a bone in his foot, and needs surgery. His season is over. Perhaps he loked as bad as he did against the Patriots because he was playing on a broken foot.

I remeber when the Niners drafted Alex Smith it was a toss up between Rogers and Smith as to who they were going to take, i think we chose the right guy. I was kind of looking forward to an Alex Smith/ Aaron Rogers showdown when we play the Pack, but it looks like it wont happen

I'm not sure which of those two will ultimately be better in the long run. It is a bad day for any team when they lose two quarterbacks in one game. We didn't have another quarterback active Sunday, and Rodgers didn't say anything about the foot until after the game, because it was his big chance. He actually looked decent on his first drive, before the injury. After that, he just got hit a lot.

Go Eagles!!! oops ... well i'll still watch anyway

Plus he doesnt have a Frank Gore to hand the ball off to :D

Yea.. talk about a breakout stud in Frank Gore.. that guy has come on strong.

Aaron Rodgers - Get well soon.. Now you are giving the Packers an actual reason to play Brett Favre... the most over-hyped, washed-up, and jacked off player i have ever seen. I mean, I don't think the jaws of life could get Maddens lips off of Favre's cock. And its not just Madden.. the Packers lose 35-0 this week, and then i see a preview for Monday Night Football (Packers vs. Seahawks) and everyone is like "ohhh Brett Favre on monday night!!! what a game!!".. that game blows ass! and so does Brett Favre lol... he needs to step down so the Packers can move on, he's only holding his team back.

Colts play the McNabb-less Eagles this week... should be a victory over Mr. dink-and-dunk metrosexual Jeff Garcia.

I just want to bring it to everyone's attention.. i saw Sean "the kids beat me up when i was young" Salsbury and all the other "expert analysts" pick the Chargers over the Colts as the best team in the AFC. Its amazing how quickly these idiots, i mean, analysts.. jump on a train and then jump off. Everyone is jacking off the Chargers, and while they DID win and Ladanian Tomlinson IS unstoppable and had 4 more TD's... they DID get their asses kicked for like 3 quarters by the Broncos.. and got lucky because of a big Bronco letdown... am i wrong? I want to write a message to ESPN and ask how these idiots keep their jobs because they are wrong 90% of the time...

Matt Leinart got his first victory over the Lions... i follow Leinart because he's my second favorite QB in the league... I like how he stayed his senior year even though he could have easily been the first pick in the draft his junior year, taking Alex Smith's spot and being on the 49ers... But the cardinals need an offensive line, then they will be hard to stop.

good post decka, LOL, good lines about madden and Farve and Garcia. I used to hate Jeff "happy feet" Garcia. That joker would never sit in the pocket and let a play develop. At the first hint of pressure he would take off running instead of just moving up in the pocket. I used to hate that when he was a Niner.Part of me is glad we got Alex over Leinert. Did you see Leinert on that TD run against the Lions? he was running like a 20 year vet, not a rookie. I think Bledsoe could probably outrun leinert.

Favre's actually playing well this year - way fewer interceptions than last year. Are you even paying attention or are you too focused on Tom Brady?

Here you go Decka--you can always use this as wallpaper.

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7987/aagu101fa8.jpg

I was sure Farve would break the all-time INT record this season

I wonder how many interceptions Brett has, total.

The all time record is 277, set by George Blanda, who played for about 200 years.

not sure, but I know he was on pace to break it

Very funny Lionel... hey i'll admit i'm obsessed.. i am VERY focused on Tom Brady, and wanting him to lose. I am also VERY focused on the whole pomp and circumstance of Brett Favre in his later years...

As for Jeff Garcia, he actually came into the restaurant i worked at in Avon, OH when he played on the browns. That guy sucked as a QB, like i said- he's a dink and dunker.. like Tim Couch. He has that "fuck me in the ass" lisp LOL.. but the girl he was dating was flaming hot.. she was a playboy centerfold, and was the runner up in the first WWE diva contest... he might be a metro but he's got money and he sure gets some hot ass.

But back to Brett Favre and his interceptions.. i did us all a favor and looked him up on NFL.com

-Career interceptions: 262
-years of 20+ interceptions: 5
-Lowest number of interceptions thrown in a season: 13

Favre has gunned out alot of TD passes over the years(409).. but the "Favre-O-matic" interception machine title is well earned... Especially last year when he threw 29 INT's to 20 TD passes.. blah. But hey lets look at the big difference:

Favre - The good years
1994 - 33 TD 14 INT
1995 - 38 TD 13 INT
1996 - 39 TD 13 INT
1997 - 35 TD 16 INT
2001 - 32 TD 15 INT
2004 - 30 TD 17 INT

Those are some impressive years no doubt... 3 MVP seasons.. but in between those have been some bad ones too

Favre - The bad years
1993 - 19 TD 24 INT
1998 - 31 TD 23 INT
1999 - 22 TD 23 INT
2005 - 20 TD 29 INT

And there were some so-so years in between.. i won't discredit Brett Favre WAS a great player... WAS... but i'm sick of people in the media acting like Favre is still on top of his game, when he clearly isn't. I mean.. why doesn't anyone say "WHY IS KURT WARNER BENCHED!!!".. look at what he did with the Rams??? He's KURT WARNER!!!

Oh well i guess it only works with Brett Favre..

so farve is only 15 INT's away from the record. He can pul that off no problem, especially if they get behind in a few games and he has to wind downfield 40 times a game

Yea, i'll tell you what Trav, i believe in the myth that rooting for a team actually helps the team in some supernatural way.. like with the Colts, i have to watch, if im not watching the game they won't do as well LOL

So i say we root Brett Favre into the record books... nothing would make me happier than seeing Favre get that 278th INT.. Im all for a 3 INT week this monday night against the Seahawks... go Seattle Cornerbacks and Safties!!!

Lord, you guys are mean.

Are you sure you're not secret BROWNS fans??

Yes, Brett's not the player he was, and even at his best, he always tried to do a little too much.
Be that as it may, he is still a fine competitor and, even more important, a fine and gracious sportsman--a gentleman on and off the field.

Personally I'll be sad to see him go.

i won't discredit Brett Favre WAS a great player... WAS... but i'm sick of people in the media acting like Favre is still on top of his game, when he clearly isn't.

I agree, he's clearly not a great player anymore, but he's still pretty good. ESPN has him ranked at #9 currently, which puts him in the top third.

According to the local news here tonight, Favre may well not play Monday night. He apparently still has no feeling in two fingers on his right hand. He says he is going to play, and that he can play without two fingers, but I think that is Favre being Favre.
Apparently there is beginning to be some concern that the nerve damage may be permanent. It remains to be seen if he will ever be able to play again.
With Aaron Rodgers also out for the season, that would mean that Ingles Martin may be the Packers starting quarterback.

I love Brett but I wish he would retire. His time came and went and he can live very nicely now doing tv commercials and maybe guesting in the booth every now and then.

According to the local news here tonight, Favre may well not play Monday night. He apparently still has no feeling in two fingers on his right hand. He says he is going to play, and that he can play without two fingers, but I think that is Favre being Favre.
Apparently there is beginning to be some concern that the nerve damage may be permanent. It remains to be seen if he will ever be able to play again.
With Aaron Rodgers also out for the season, that would mean that Ingles Martin may be the Packers starting quarterback.

If he can't feel two fingers, then he shouldn't play... that is only hurting the team...

but i'm guessing Favre wouldn't be about to let go of his little consecutive starts streak now would he?

Favre would no doubt start even though it makes his team worse off just so he could achieve his own personal accomplishments...

That is a guy who would be benched if i were coach... and severely humbled also... Favre=reason why the Packers aren't a contender...

If he can't feel two fingers, then he shouldn't play... that is only hurting the team...Is amputation an option?

At least then they wouldn't get in the way.

Apparently some feeling is returning to those fingers. Favre did practice Friday, and threw the football OK. It is still questionable whether he will play, but he probably will.
The Packers acquired Todd Bouman as a vetran backup, and he is listed as the backup for Favre. That is probably because Coach McCarthy knows him from his time as coach at New Orleans, and because he has at least started some NFL games. Ingles Martin has spent the season as the third quarterback, and as a rookie, has no game experience. His main reason for being on the roster is that he is also the backup punter.
It is a truth that someone must play quarterback for the Packers, and they have no really good options. An injured Brett Favre may give the Packers their best shot at winning, which is the criteria that Coach McCarthy is using. It's still a long shot, but can either of the alternatives be said to be better?

We are a Bad Team

...losing at home to the Striped Invaders (who,btw, made #1 on SI's list of ugly uniforms) 30-0.

Oh well, at least OUR uniforms are prettier....that's something that will console us in the days to come.

I just love the Cowboys right now. They are on fire. Changing Bledsoe and putting in Romo was a very good decision by Parcells. Beating the Colts and then throwing 5 TDs against the Bucs, that says something about that young man. We got the Giants next, then Saints, then Atlanta, then Eagles (revenge) and lastly Lions. Should win all the rest of them, but there are always surprises. I can't wait for the playoffs.

I definitely wont deny that Tony Romo is on fire... he looks very comfortable in the pocket, and seems to have that "clock" in his head on when to break and roll out... I have also been impressed by his accuracy, he'll hit guys right in stride just over the outside shoulder. I mean, who does he think he is-Peyton manning?? LOL

Its seems as though the Colts and Cowboys switched jerseys this week... Romo threw for 5 TD passes even though the Cowboys are a running team, and the Colts' Joseph Addai ran for 4 TD's even though the Colts are a passing team.

I was talking today to my friends about the Colts, and while we ARE sitting pretty at 10-1, i will definitely admit that i fear the Baltimore Ravens. They are TOUGH, they kicked the CRAP out of the Steelers. If you think about it, the Ravens have a DANGEROUS TEAM:

1. Ravens D - The Ravens have always had an aggressive and successful defense, but it got soft a few years back. New acquisitions have made this Defense alot more dangerous and brings back memories of their super bowl defense...

2. Jamal Lewis - Don't look now, but Jamal Lewis might be back. Only a few years removed from being the best running back in the league, Lewis had a few dud years, but recently has been very dangerous... busting and plowing his way for yards. If the old Jamal Lewis peaks out.. oh man.

3. Steve McNair - While ol Steve might be on the tail end of his career, noone can deny the guy is a gamer, he's tough, and he's been on top of the league. McNair was Co-MVP in 2003 with Peyton Manning, and is used to leading teams.

The scary thing about this is that at one time, all 3 of these parts of the team have been THE BEST in the league at one time... so while it might not happen, the Ravens have the potential to be a VERY dangerous team come playoff time.

But the Colts will take em;)

Browns win in OT!!
Super Bowl, here we come!

PS What's this nonsense scuttlebutt we've been hearing about fans calling for Romeo's head?
Good lord, give the man a chance. This musical-chairs coaching carousel that some seem to want will bring nothing but bad.

Browns win in OT!!
Super Bowl, here we come!
The Browns won a game?

Good for Ohio. They don't seem to win that often...

I also saw the Browns game today, and I have to say that I was impressed with the new QB, Andersen or something. He seemed comfortable in the pocket, and stayed there. But looking at it now, I think the o-line played much better. He had so much time to throw. A lot more than Frye had. I heard some rumors that Crenel might take Frye out, but I doubt it. This new qb is ok, but he needs to prove himself. One game doesn't say anything.

And again, this will for Cleveland was huge. Nobody expected them to win this one, despite Green's 4 TDs, still wasn't enough. Congrats to the Browns.

I heard someone say Frye had a broken wrist, if that is the case he's done for the year...

I had a ticket to go to that Browns-Cheifs game but i stayed home, i just felt shitty, and plus the Colts game was on at 1pm.. a game which we lost due to a freakin 60 yard field goal... i guess you just have to tip your hat to the guy on that one.

Brett Favre had 2 more interceptions and a lost fumble..

his INT total is up to 267 for the career... start up the countdown LOL

Brett Favre had 2 more interceptions and a lost fumble..

his INT total is up to 267 for the career... start up the countdown LOL

He certainly didn't look good this week. Having watched the game, several things contributed to his poor play. First was a total lack of blocking by the offensive line. The lost of Tauscher at tackle has left the Packers starting three rookies on the line, and that has not gone well. They have no running game, and that puts the entire offense on Favre. Also, he continually underthrew recievers. I am wondering how his injured elbow is really doing. Since the injury he has not had the arm strength he usually had. I think it is time to let him sit for a week or two and heal up. Ingles Martin could hardly be worse at this point, although I don't expect him to be much better. A rookie from a small school (Furman) has a steep learning curve taking over as a starter.

It's sad to see Brad Johnson fall from grace like he has with the Vikes this year. The only good thing about sunday's game was that we got a very brief glimpse of "The T-Jack Attack" Tarvaris Jackson, the QB of the future. Solid performance on his one set of downs that he played, minus the Culpepper-esque fumble.

Guess the Bears just ran away with the North this year.

Guess the Bears just ran away with the North this year.

No, the BEARS DEFENSE ran away with the North.. we know it wasn't Rex "i throw the ball GROSS"men...

The guy wins with a 1.3 QB rating and throwing for 34 yards this week

Earlier in the year he won against the Arizona Cardinals on Monday night when he threw like 5 picks...

He sucks, plain and simple. Chicago needs to bring in Greise.

Niners/Packers this weekend. We got Spencer back at corner so that will help. Between Spencer and Harris Farve may break that all time INT record this weekend!

I am a little dissapointed with Alex Smith this year. he has had a couple good games, but he should be doing better. With teams stacking 8 or 9 guys in the box to stop Gore, Smith should be throwing bombs all day long. The thing is, he isnt accurate. he cant hit guys in stride for some reason. I can only hope another year of development helps him. I will give him until the end of next season before I declare him a bust. Not that anything I declare means anything, I am just saying. It will be his 3rd season, and 49er fans always give their QB's 3 years since it took Mr. Montana 3 years to be great.

Vernon Davis is also a bit of a dissapointment. He is a rookie, but still he should be contributing more then one catch per game. he was suposed to open up the defense, he doesnt really do anything. And we lost Eric Johnson to a injury in practice last week so Davis is the guy now.

He sucks, plain and simple.

If only the NFL had more than one good QB.

Niners/Packers this weekend. We got Spencer back at corner so that will help. Between Spencer and Harris Farve may break that all time INT record this weekend!

I am a little dissapointed with Alex Smith this year. he has had a couple good games, but he should be doing better. With teams stacking 8 or 9 guys in the box to stop Gore, Smith should be throwing bombs all day long. The thing is, he isnt accurate. he cant hit guys in stride for some reason. I can only hope another year of development helps him. I will give him until the end of next season before I declare him a bust. Not that anything I declare means anything, I am just saying. It will be his 3rd season, and 49er fans always give their QB's 3 years since it took Mr. Montana 3 years to be great.

Vernon Davis is also a bit of a dissapointment. He is a rookie, but still he should be contributing more then one catch per game. he was suposed to open up the defense, he doesnt really do anything. And we lost Eric Johnson to a injury in practice last week so Davis is the guy now.


Given Favres injury problems, and the inexperience and poor play on the offensive line, I expect little from this weekend. It was announced today that Favre needs surgery on his ankle after the season. Add to that the injury to his right elbow and you have a quarterback who is likely to be a disaster. The only reason he is playing is the lack of anyone else on the roster who is better. Ingles Martin is his backup with Rodgers out for the season, and he is a rookie from Furman who made the roster mainly because he could also serve as the back-up punter.
Defensively the Packers are struggling as well. Barnett, our middle linebacker is playing with a cast on one arm. The secondary screws up at least once a game and forgets to cover a reciever yielding an easy touchdown. The defensive line can't get any pressure on anyone, and can't stop the run.
What I am saying is that it would take a miracle for the Packers to beat any NFL team right now. I'm still going to root for them, but it feels a little like rooting for Custer at Little Big Horn.

Imagineer... the whole Aaron Rodgers injury was horrid timing, because no doubt he would or should be playing if Favre is as hobbled as is being led to believe.

BUT.. with the current situation... you have to look at Favre starting as an ego move/power play.

It is common knowledge the Packers aren't going to the playoffs, so why not find out what Ingles Martin has? Why not start him.. throw him to the wolves, and see how he handles it? I mean, some people get chewed up and spit out... others flourish. I just don't see any logic in starting Brett Favre when you are a team that is rebuilding, and a team that NEEDS a quarterback after Favre is gone, which is looking like a good possibility to be soon...

I think Favre needs an ego check, and needs to step down. He has held up that franchise long enough.

One possibility for Favre starting is that the Packers are playing for a draft choice.
I agree that Ingles Martin could hardly do worse than Favre at this point, and he should be given a chance. Still, the reason he was drafted at all was his punting average. The coaches have had a chance to see his progress in practices, and so far they have continued to insist that as battered as Favre is, he is superior to Martin. If I were Martin, I would be working on my resume.
In fact, the alternative right now is probably Todd Bouman who was acquired after Rodgers injury. He is a vetran third string quarterback, who failed to move up at either Minnesota or with the Saints. He has officially moved ahead of Ingles Martin on the depth chart, but the problem seems to be that he doesn't know the offense yet.

lol, any team that drafts a QB because of his punting average is in big trouble

lol, any team that drafts a QB because of his punting average is in big trouble

The idea of drafting a third string quarterback who can also be a backup punter sounds wonderful on draft day, when you are assuming that even if Favre gets hurt, you'll still have Rodgers, and Ingles Martin will never have to play. Unfortunately, in the real world of the NFL, injuries happen and everyone on the roster should be able to play.