After all their big words at the UN, what happens? They don't follow thru on what they promised & have offered only 200 troops for policing S.Lebanon.

Once again - the French drive home how Pathetic a nation they are.

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1191822.php/Strong_words_few_troops_Paris_under_fire

How much are the other nations putting in? I would expect Turkey and other Muslim countries to put in more soldiers.

Once again - the French drive home how Pathetic a nation they are.

You are English, so by your own nature you don't like the French, way before some US people started disliking them too.

Cro, No matter how you feel about the French this is a joke.
Yesterday the UN, and maybe also the French, announced that their job will not be to disarm Hezbollah. I think UN 1559 of 2004 made that a requirement, and it is also supposed to be a requirement of the current cease fire.

How much are the other nations putting in?
"Welcome to my world" - American Soldier.

How much are the other nations putting in? I would expect Turkey and other Muslim countries to put in more soldiers.

Probably none. It should be Muslim nations doing all the policing for this UN resolution. They never will. It seems Muslim nations like to complain more than anything else - oh and claim every loss is a victory.

"We were expecting more from France," Lebanese Foreign Minister Fawzi Sallouokh

Ha. I guess he doesn't know France too well.

It's disgusting how much many European countries, like France, are so eager to critisize Isreal for trying to protect itself, but, when Isreal agrees to a cease fire with UN peacekeepers, none of these countries are willing to supply the troops for keeping the peace. Pathetic.

But guess who IS supplying troops? Bangladesh has made the biggest commitment with 2000 troops. Malaysia is also supplying troops.

Both Malaysia and Bangladesh are predominantly Muslim nations.....and now I suppose Europe is going to bash Isreal when Isreal becomes alarmed at the fact that Muslim nations are supposed to be policing Hezbollah.

yea.. well the european countries are ALOT like the corrupt United Nations.. all talk, no walk.

It doesn suprise me ONE BIT that France wussed out on sending troops... i mean, they are pretty much just like the liberals in THIS country.. they criticize everything, and then when its time to put up or shut up.. nothing happens.

They don't follow thru on what they promised ...

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Just asking here.........but what promise did they fail to follow thru on?

I couldn't find any promise they made as to a specific number of troops they planned to commit.

Granted, nobody really talked about troop levels. However, 200 troops is roughly the number of soldiers found in a U.S. Army mech. infantry company (heavy).

Since Lebanon was a French colony France can rightly be expected to place more soldiers than other nations into the peace keeping force just as England would be expected to place more in Kenya or Rhodesia and Belgium into the Congo.

Once again France proves to be a perfidious nation that cannot be trusted.

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Just asking here.........but what promise did they fail to follow thru on?

I couldn't find any promise they made as to a specific number of troops they planned to commit.

The discussion prior was always 15,000 - 20,000 troops total. Although France did not specifically commit to any numbers, 200 is a bit of a friggin joke really. They also made it clear that they had no intention of doing anything when it comes to Hezbollah. They may as well just keep their 200 troops & forget it. France is one totally pathetic pitiful nation that is for sure.

The plan all along, including the US policy, was that the Lebanese army trained and supplied (and ostensibly controlled) by Washington would take point so it's not really a shock (or even an issue) that France only offered 200 troops.

The real story is that the US thought it got what it asked for, but since the actual treaty calls for a UN, multi national force with UNIFIL under a chapter six deployment, it actually does not authorise a mandatory disarmament of Hezzbolah. :lolhit:

Frankly, I don't blame France. Why should they send a bunch of troops over there to get shot at when no one has even come up with any sort of rules of engagement? What are they going to do - stand on street corners and yell at Hezbollah to knock it off? They lost a bunch of soldiers in an attack the same day the Marine barracks were bombed, so I can see why they'd want to take some precautions before going back to Lebanon.

Do you think France would have sent more if there was rules of engagement? I don't.

And why isn't there any rules of engagement? Why is the UN such a failure in everything it touches?

Do you think France would have sent more if there was rules of engagement? I don't.

And why isn't there any rules of engagement? Why is the UN such a failure in everything it touches?

I can't answer either of those questions. Especially the second and third ones.

Here's the answers.

1, No
2, Because it's a waste of space
3, Because it's a waste of space

Do you think France would have sent more if there was rules of engagement?
And why isn't there any rules of engagement? Why is the UN such a failure in everything it touches?

Here's the answers.

1, No
2, Because it's a waste of space
3, Because it's a waste of space

Here are the answers.

1.Quite likely.

2. Because it is a war between superstitionists; people who believe, and who will CONTINUE to believe until the day they die, that their invisible deity is superior to the "other's" invisible deity. there is no reasoning with people infected with the insanity of religious belief. You can no more force a religionist (iow, a mentally disturbed person) to follow *rules of engagement* than you can herd cats.

3. Because the ignorant fucking Joe Sixpack's of America --and around the world-- do not support it.

The uniquely American fondness for dissing the UN is quite extraordinary. It is the height of hypocrisy, for no country has had its interests served better by the UN than the United States. The arrogance of it is astounding. Remember the American sneering over the rights of Angola, Cameroon, and Guinea to use their rotations on the Security Council to pass judgment about Iraq? (No such sneering when senators from the microscopic states of Rhode Island or Delaware threaten to block a piece of legislation on Capitol Hill.) As Dag Hammarskjold famously said, The UN was not created to take humanity to heaven but to save it from hell.

i'm going to write stuff in big blue letters because what I write is so pathetic I need to make it look relevant

I LIKE RED

"200 troops for Lebanon"???

Sheesh.

I say, raise one hand if you like the French; raise two if you are French.

i'm going to write stuff in big blue letters because what I write is so pathetic I need to make it look relevant

ROTFL.

You have no refutation , so you slip into the --"Nuh unnnh, nuh unnnh!!"-- mode.

Typical.

Israel is 'preparing for more fighting'
By Tim Butcher in Jerusalem
(Filed: 21/08/2006)

Any chance of long-term peace between Lebanon and Israel all but vanished last night after Amir Peretz, the Israeli defence minister, said his country was preparing for another round of fighting.

Mr Peretz spoke only hours after Israeli commandos mounted a raid deep inside Lebanon. Kofi Annan, the United Nations secretary general, said it was a violation of the week-old UN ceasefire.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/21/wmid21.xml

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Tanks take stock

One-tenth of the Israeli tanks that took part in the Lebanon war were destroyed or disabled, a military study found.
http://jta.org/page_view_breaking_story.asp?intid=4244

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Losing its morals and marbles: Israel’s fight in Lebanon
8/20/2006 9:00:00 PM GMT

(AFP Photo) A scene of destruction is seen from a broken window at a southern Beirut neighborhood


By: Remi Kanazi

If Hezbollah were a military, given Western standards, it would certainly be the most moral in the world. During Israel’s five week offensive, Hezbollah killed 118 Israeli soldiers and 41 Israeli civilians (18 of which were Israeli Palestinians). Hezbollah killed three Israeli soldiers for every one Israeli civilian. In contrast, Israeli forces killed more than 1000 Lebanese civilians during the onslaught (more bodies are expected to be discovered during the current period of “calm”). Robert Fisk, based in Lebanon, reported, “They are digging them [Lebanese bodies] up by the hour.” Israeli forces killed 25 Lebanese civilians for every Israeli civilian killed by Hezbollah.

Israel claims it killed three to four hundred Hezbollah fighters during the 33 day war. Hezbollah argues the number is much lower, but since the world maintains that Hezbollah is a “terrorist organization,” Hezbollah’s figure is swiftly rejected. Supposing Israel’s numbers are accurate, the state still killed roughly three Lebanese civilians for every one Hezbollah fighter.
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=12283

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Israeli terrorists/soldiers/fascists/etc attack peace march
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060816&articleId=2982

Israel is 'preparing for more fighting'
By Tim Butcher in Jerusalem
(Filed: 21/08/2006)

Any chance of long-term peace between Lebanon and Israel all but vanished last night after Amir Peretz, the Israeli defence minister, said his country was preparing for another round of fighting.

Mr Peretz spoke only hours after Israeli commandos mounted a raid deep inside Lebanon. Kofi Annan, the United Nations secretary general, said it was a violation of the week-old UN ceasefire.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/21/wmid21.xml

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Tanks take stock

One-tenth of the Israeli tanks that took part in the Lebanon war were destroyed or disabled, a military study found.
http://jta.org/page_view_breaking_story.asp?intid=4244

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Losing its morals and marbles: Israel’s fight in Lebanon
8/20/2006 9:00:00 PM GMT

(AFP Photo) A scene of destruction is seen from a broken window at a southern Beirut neighborhood


By: Remi Kanazi

If Hezbollah were a military, given Western standards, it would certainly be the most moral in the world. During Israel’s five week offensive, Hezbollah killed 118 Israeli soldiers and 41 Israeli civilians (18 of which were Israeli Palestinians). Hezbollah killed three Israeli soldiers for every one Israeli civilian. In contrast, Israeli forces killed more than 1000 Lebanese civilians during the onslaught (more bodies are expected to be discovered during the current period of “calm”). Robert Fisk, based in Lebanon, reported, “They are digging them [Lebanese bodies] up by the hour.” Israeli forces killed 25 Lebanese civilians for every Israeli civilian killed by Hezbollah.

Israel claims it killed three to four hundred Hezbollah fighters during the 33 day war. Hezbollah argues the number is much lower, but since the world maintains that Hezbollah is a “terrorist organization,” Hezbollah’s figure is swiftly rejected. Supposing Israel’s numbers are accurate, the state still killed roughly three Lebanese civilians for every one Hezbollah fighter.
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=12283

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Israeli terrorists/soldiers/fascists/etc attack peace march
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060816&articleId=2982


Are you offering this because you think it's insightful or because they're examples of the bullshit produced by apologists for hez?

As Dag Hammarskjold famously said, The UN was not created to take humanity to heaven but to save it from hell.
Slurp, slurp, FT.

ROTFL.

You have no refutation , so you slip into the --"Nuh unnnh, nuh unnnh!!"-- mode.

Typical.


geez cant you laugh at yourself FT? that WAS funny.. and it WAS partially correct... but man don't try to be all defensive about it...

Are you offering this because you think it's insightful or because they're examples of the bullshit produced by apologists for hez?

Yes the Jewish Telegraphic Agency and the IDF are Hezbollah apologists. You are quite the thinker there waldoh

Italy has offered 2000 troops and will lead the mission in S.Lebanon, now that France has shown itself to be totally unreliable.

Countries like France tout the UN because it gives weak nations like themselves a voice on the world stage that they otherwise would not have, but then then it comes to putting your money where your UN mouth is - they don't come thru.

France is a perfect reason why the UN is a total waste of time & energy. Countries like France make the UN worthless.

France is unable to forget the glory that was France. France wants to be a major player on the world stage when it comes to voicing opinions and making policy but refuses to accept the responsibility that comes with that position.

Yes the Jewish Telegraphic Agency and the IDF are Hezbollah apologists. You are quite the thinker there waldoh

Are you that dim-witted that you couldn't figure out my comment was about the al-jazeera 'article'? Do we have to spoon-feed you for everything?

[QUOTE=DrewM]Do you think France would have sent more if there was rules of engagement? I don't.

YOUR WRONG:p

Are you that dim-witted that you couldn't figure out my comment was about the al-jazeera 'article'? Do we have to spoon-feed you for everything?
Are you offering this because you think it's insightful or because they're examples of the bullshit produced by apologists for hez?
good thing you used plurals then...nice attempt to backtrack on you ignorant ramblings...

Now are you going to add something to the discussion or remain the waste of bytes you normally are?

The UK defense minister has got it right.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-2330259,00.html
We (the other Nato defence ministers) found a word to describe the French habit of making impressive statements with no means to put them into effect. We called it “grandstanding”.....There is a cultural difference between the French and the British obvious in their diplomatic styles. The French believe that what they say is at least as important as what they do. They spin grandiloquent phrases and strike postures. Rhetoric is away of life and if you point out it is divorced from all strategic reality that is thought to be nitpicking

Unfortunatly France did send troops,it should have sat back like everyone else and sent none.Why should European countries go clean up US/Israeli rubble and bodies in Lebanon.

Unfortunatly France did send troops,it should have sat back like everyone else and sent none.Why should European countries go clean up US/Israeli rubble and bodies in Lebanon.
I agree. As a matter of fact, Europe should stay out of everything involving the US and Israel.

Well your half right,America should just stay out of the conflict if it cant be even handed...