We Are In A War With Terrorists


Dave Wilson, Capt. retired, US Navy once wrote:

When I was in the Navy, I once witnessed a bar fight in downtown Olongapo (Philippines) that still haunts my dreams. The fight was between a big oafish Marine and a rather soft-spoken, medium sized Latino sailor from my ship.All evening the Marine had been trying to pick a fight with one of us and had finally set his sights on this diminutive shipmate of mine...figuring him for a safe target. When my friend refused to be goaded into a fight the Marine sucker-punched him from behind on the side of the head so hard that blood instantly started to pour from this poor man's mutilated ear.
Everyone present was horrified and was prepared to absolutely murder this Marine, but my shipmate quickly turned on him and began to single-handedly back him towards a corner with a series of stinging jabs and uppercuts that gave more than a hint to a youth spent boxing in a small gym in the Bronx. Each punch opened a cut on the Marine's startled face and by the time he had been backed completely into the corner he was blubbering for someone to stop the fight.
Nobody moved. Not one person.
The only sound in the bar was the sickening staccato sound of this sailor's lightning-fast fists making contact with new areas of the Marine's head. The only sound I have heard since that was remotely similar was from the first Rocky film when Sylvester Stallone was punching sides of beef in the meat locker.
Finally the Marine's pleading turned to screams.... a high, almost womanly shriek. And still the punches continued relentlessly. Several people in the bar took a few tentative steps as though they wanted to try to break it up at that point, but hands reached out from the crowd and held them tight. I'm not ashamed to say that mine were two of the hands that held someone back.
You see, in between each blow the sailor had begun chanting a soft cadence: "Say [punch] you [punch] give [punch] up [punch]... say [punch] you [punch] were [punch] wrong [punch]".
He had been repeating it to the Marine almost from the start but we only became aware of it when the typical barroom cheers had died down and we began to be sickened by the sight and sound of the carnage.
This Marine stood there shrieking in the corner of the bar trying futilely to block the carefully timed punches that were cutting his head to tatters...right down to the skull in places. But he refused to say that he gave up... or that he was wrong.
Even in the delirium of his beating he believed in his heart that someone would stop the fight before he had to admit defeat. I'm sure this strategy had served him well in the past and had allowed him to continue on his career as a barroom bully.
Finally, in a wail of agony the Marine shrieked "I give up", and we gently backed the sailor away from him.
I'm sure you can guess why I have shared this story today..........

I'm not particularly proud to have been witness to such a bloody spectacle, and the sound of that Marine's woman-like shrieks will haunt me to my grave. But I learned something that evening that Israel had better learn for itself if it is to finally be rid of at least one of its tormentors:
This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage...but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat.
Just as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar,every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a cease fire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today.
President Lahoud of Lebanon, a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of Syria, has been shrieking non-stop to the UN Security Council for the past two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire.
Clearly he has been reading his autographed copy of 'Military Success for Dummy Arab Despots' by the late Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. Ever since Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in '56, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success: Instigate a war.
Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you...get a few world powers to force your Western opponent into a cease fire.
Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population...and will force a truce. Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle.
This tactic has never failed. Not once.


In fact it worked so well for the Egyptians in 1973, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel - as a military victory! No kidding... it's a national holiday over there!
President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a schoolgirl to the UN Security Council to "Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters."
Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow.


He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisors and money have poured into his country over a long period of time.
And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a draw.


As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat.

Terry L. Weber (http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/16971.html)

All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population....

You have ONE thing right at least.

The world IS becoming sickened by Israel's bullying and its decimation of the civilian population in Lebanon.

Since 1948, Israel has managed to portray itself as a victim of terrorism, instead of being the real perpetrator, while Israel's victims have been systematically turned into terrorists. This reversal of the image was achieved primarily by the media-terrorists of the west, and this continues till today by their one-sided media coverage. Zionists of all colours to the government of Israel are given maximum air-time, while the Arab voices are given minimal time, if any at all.__________http://cyberjournal.org/show_archives/?id=1405&lists=newslog

Also, I would wager every cent I own that if Israel were NOT being handed billions upon billions of dollars in military aid every year by its protector and invincible big brother, the U.S., you would NOT be pushing this juvenile --"Aww, lets just stand back and let them fight it out until one side destroys the other"-- idea.

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"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." – David Ben-Gurion, Israeli Prime Minister

Israel gets armaments from the U.S. while Hez gets theirs from Iran.

Have you yet seen a peace accord that worked in the Mid East?

Israel gets armaments from the U.S. while Hez gets theirs from Iran.

Ok. But no group in the ME is provided with 1/1000th the might in armaments that Israel is handed by the U.S.

Have you yet seen a peace accord that worked in the Mid East?

No. Have you?

There will never be one as long as Israel refuses to give back the land it holds illegally, and as long as they refuse to stop dealing out endless misery to the Palestinian people who live there.

Israel's ongoing decades-long illegal occupation of much of Palestine is the irritant at the heart of this issue, and that will always be at the heart of it.

Don't dump it all in Israel's lap. They're as much victims as aggressors, and the same goes for the other side.

So if this little latino had started beating the shit out of you and your friends for stopping him he would have been justified? How about beating everyone in the bar to a bloody pulp for not telling him the marine was about to sucker punch him?

Your analogy almost works except it ignores the fact that hundrend/thousands innocent civilians who aren't taking any sides are being murdered

Your analogy almost works except it ignores the fact that hundrend/thousands innocent civilians who aren't taking any sides are being murdered

You are forgetting, guerilla, that the Hezzies have spent the last half decade PLANNING for civilian deaths if Israel ever decided to do something about the sucker punches Hezbollah have been handing out ever since Israel withdrew from Southern Lebanon for the sake of "peace."

I tire of hearing about Israel, which WOULD very much prefer to to left alone, being the aggressor, that Israel is the one causing civlian casualties, that Israel has got to the one that gives up the land, that has to give up the offensive, that allows for the likes of Hezbollah to set up in civilian areas and attack with impunity while the rest of the world counsels restraint.

Also, when was the last YOU, guerilla, have condemned the brutal activities of hezbollah?

Israel should be allowed to lay a whooping on Southern Lebanon that has the whole world left gaping in shock, and make the Islamists think twice about attacking a freedom loving country like Israel.

Dammit.

The world IS becoming sickened by Israel's bullying and its decimation of the civilian population in Lebanon.

What is sickening is the fact that the world tacitly allows for Israel to be attacked by Islamists, dammit.

The reason the analogy doesn't work is because you don't have as clear of a sense of who was actually wrong. I mean, it's a no brainer that the marine absolutely deserved that and that he was in the wrong. However in the middle east, both sides deserve it. Neither are innocent, neither attempted to avoid the fight in the first place, and neither is clearly winning. All the middle east currently is is a middle school fight. They've hated each other for years and have been taking potshots at each other at lunch, throwing food, shooting spitballs, etc. One day, they just bump in the hallway and next thing you know, fists are flying, both are being completely bruised and bloodied, and neither will win. They'll both be so hurt and bruised they'll just lie there, exhausted. When they're better, they'll go at it again. What do you do in this case?

Blibbob,

When the Middle East Muslims deign to leave Israel alone, Israel will leave the Muslims alone. Until that time, my support will be whole heartedly be with the Israelis.

Dammit.

You are forgetting, guerilla, that the Hezzies have spent the last half decade PLANNING for civilian deaths if Israel ever decided to do something about the sucker punches Hezbollah have been handing out

You are forgetting, Darth Be'lal, that the terrorist nation of Israel has for the last FIVE decades been PLANNING to kill any and all Muslim civilians who stood in the way of their murderous Zionist agenda.

Need evidence?, you **edited by es347fan**?!?!?!?!

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." --- David Ben-Gurion

Also, when was the last YOU, guerilla, have condemned the brutal activities of hezbollah?


Also, when was the last YOU, Darth Be'lal, have condemned the brutal activities of Israel?

Dammit.

You are forgetting, Darth Be'lal, that the terrorist nation of Israel has for the last FIVE decades been PLANNING to kill any and all Muslim civilians who stood in the way of their murderous Zionist agenda.

What I DO remember is that Israel gives more rights to those muslims living in Israel than any other Middle Eastern nation, dammit.


Need evidence?, you **edited by es347fan**?!?!?!?!

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." --- David Ben-Gurion


What I do have for evidence is Isreal GIVING land for peace. Israel NOT attacking its neighbors, unless they're attacked first. Egypt attacked Israel, after the Egyptians lost, a peace accord was signed and Israel has left Egypt alone ever since. Hell, Israel gave back the land taken from Egypt during that war. Israel has left Egypt alone, and vice versa, dammit.

So much for David Ben-Gurion, no?


Also, when was the last YOU, Darth Be'lal, have condemned the brutal activities of Israel?

Dammit.


I will NEVER, EVER under any circumstances ally myself with an organization like Hezbollah whose eventual goal is the destruction of the way of life I fully appreciate. Leave Israel alone and those "brutal activities" which you allude to will stop, period.

And don't use my dammits, dammit.

What I do have for evidence is Isreal GIVING land for peace.


Israel does not *give land*, for "peace" or any other reason, you laughable ass clown.

It takes land.

Illegally.

And in direct opposition to international law and U.N. mandates.

I will NEVER, EVER under any circumstances ally myself with an organization like Hezbollah whose eventual goal is the destruction of the way of life I fully appreciate. Leave Israel alone and those "brutal activities" which you allude to will stop, period.

The damnable LIE of that claim is illustrated by the fact that Israel was left alone by Lebanon for several years, yet Israel --despicably- perpetrated the abominable act of kidnapping two civilians , for the express reason of (Israel hoped) instigating a response from Hezbollah........a response that would provide the excuse Israel was desperately looking for to impliment it's plan --over a year in the making--to wage a massive campaign of destruction against Lebanon and take control of even MORE land that it has no right to.

With the theories you espouse, freethinker, sometimes I wonder if it's really worth responding to you, dammit.


Israel does not *give land*, for "peace" or any other reason, you laughable ass clown.

Let's see, the Sinai Peninsula was given back, Southern Lebanon was given back as well as the Gaza Strip. All given back, freethinker. THAT land was taken because Israel's friendly neighbors decided to try and wipe Israel off the face of the Earth several times.

And in direct opposition to international law and U.N. mandates.

Yet, Israel gave land back in return for a promise of peace. Speaking of violating U.N. mandates, Hezbollah wasn't supposed to BE in Lebanon in the first place. That act alone would've saved a lot of lives, I think.


The damnable LIE of that claim is illustrated by the fact that Israel was left alone by Lebanon for several years,

And Hezbollah used that time to put bunkers under schools and hospitals as well as placing rockets to lob at Israel when Hezbollah felt like it. Pretty wise use of time on Hezbollah's part, seeing as how they were planning to go to war with Israel all along.

yet Israel --despicably- perpetrated the abominable act of kidnapping two civilians , for the express reason of (Israel hoped) instigating a response from Hezbollah........a response that would provide the excuse Israel was desperately looking for to impliment it's plan --over a year in the making--to wage a massive campaign of destruction against Lebanon and take control of even MORE land that it has no right to.

Let me get this straight. ISRAEL faked the kidnapping of its own soldiers so it could execute a plan to go into Lebanon for the express purpose of killing civilians? Is that right? Good God, freethinker, whatever it is you smoke, you really have to put it down, man. Geez.

Let's see, the Sinai Peninsula was given back, Southern Lebanon was given back as well as the Gaza Strip. All given back, freethinker.

Oh. Right.

They "gave" land back after they took it.

Let me get this straight. ISRAEL faked the kidnapping of its own soldiers .......

What the.......?!?!?

Talk about being in la-la land.......you're obviously hallucinating now.

Name one person here who has made the slightest suggestion that Israel faked the kidnapping of its own soldiers.......!!!!