LONDON, Aug. 10 — British authorities said today that they had thwarted a terrorist plot to blow up multiple airliners traveling between Britain and the United States and cause “mass murder on an unimaginable scale.”

The police in London said they had arrested 21 people in connection with the plot, which apparently involved plans to smuggle liquid explosives onto aircraft in hand luggage. In response, some flights into London’s Heathrow Airport were canceled and airlines banned hand luggage on planes leaving London, causing chaos and long delays during one of the busiest weeks for summer trans-Atlantic travel.

In the United States, federal officials put in place new regulations barring passengers from carrying any liquids, gels or lotions onto planes, except for baby formula or prescription medicines.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the restrictions reflected the belief of investigators that the plotters planned to bring liquids on board, “each one of which would be benign, but mixed together could be used to create a bomb.’’

He called the plot “a very sophisticated plan and operation’’ that was close to fruition. “They had accumulated the capability necessary and they were well on their way,’’ he said at a televised news conference in Washington.

Aviation experts have long known that planes could be vulnerable to explosive devices put together on board or from hazardous liquids, said Robert W. Mann Jr., an industry consultant based in Port Washington, N.Y.

“Yes, it could have happened,’’ he said.

Mr. Chertoff said that the plot appeared to have targeted American airlines flying out of London.

The director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Robert S. Mueller III, said that the plot “had all the earmarks of an al Qaeda plot,’’ but said there was no direct evidence linking the suspects to the terrorist organization.

In the late 1990’s, al Qaeda members planned to blow up airliners simultaneously over the Pacific, a plot that was disrupted by the arrest of its ringleader.

In London, the police did not identify the suspects or their origin, though Paul Stephenson, the deputy metropolitan police commissioner, said “community leaders” had been alerted about the police action, using a code word for the British Muslim community.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/10/world/europe/11terrorcnd.html?hp&ex=1155268800&en=13f881599701f2d5&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Lieberman loses ... team Bush tells us the dems are Al-Quida ... terror alert ... code orange (whatever that is) ...

Talk about COINKY-DINK

Be sure to cower down conservative america ... they are counting on you guys to be afraid.

rotflmao

LONDON, Aug. 10 — British authorities said today that they had thwarted a terrorist plot to blow up multiple airliners traveling between Britain and the United States and cause “mass murder on an unimaginable scale.”

The British foiled this plot. American intelligence obviously didn't have a clue.

What this tells us is that the hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars the Bushistas are throwing away in Iraq have done virtually nothing to bring a halt to terrorism or to terrorist attacks around the world.

Might as well have piled the fucking money up and burned it, as far as it having provided ONE iota of benefit to any of the ordinary citizens in the US.......but all those mega-billions weren't REALLY *thrown away*........it's just that the money now resides in the bank accounts of the fatcats in the Oil and Defense industries.

What this shows is that foiling terrorist plots is a police action - it is done by surveillance, intelligence and investigation.

These actions in the UK are true successes in the war on terror.

Iraq on the other hand has NOTHING to do with terrorism, aprt from the constant terror Iraqi citizens live in each day. Even with Iraq the mess it is - there is no credible threat there to US citizens. There never was. What a bunch of money wasted. Imagine where we'd be if we'd spent 400 billion improving intelligence and police work.

The British foiled this plot. American intelligence obviously didn't have a clue. Freethinker

The plot was to take place in Great Britain. I would expect the Brits to be the ones to foil it. You also have no idea what American intelligence knew about the plot or even if it was they who first gave the Brits a heads up.

An analyst on CNN today said AL-Quaeda uses passenger planes as terrorist weapons because that's what they're best at.

A question--is it simplistic thinking to think that that's ALL they're ever going to use?

In seeing the horrendous crowds and lines at airports today, and all the security, it made me think--what a perfect time to strike at other modes of transport.

The British foiled this plot. American intelligence obviously didn't have a clue. Freethinker

The plot was to take place in Great Britain. I would expect the Brits to be the ones to foil it. You also have no idea what American intelligence knew about the plot or even if it was they who first gave the Brits a heads up.

The UK has already taken credit and added the U.S. didn't know squat and the UK intentionally left them out of it.

Freethinker is correct.

What Plot?

So far no names and no evidence has been presented.

If this thing was being investigated for 18 months why is it now, after the suppossed plotters have been arrested, that they place the resrictions on baggage? Especially if it "could have happened anytime now."

4 of the people they arrested have already been released.

Its not even a 'new' plot. This was suppossedly recycled from the 90's...

I'm not buying it at this point. Smells like that fake ricin plot Britian pretended to thwart a while back...

Chertoff at this morning's press briefing:

The work in this investigation has been a remarkable example of interagency coordination in the federal government. We've had numerous intelligence components and law enforcement components working together seamlessly in a coordinated fashion to address this emerging threat and to take the steps necessary to protect the American public from it. I also have to give special thanks to our partners, the British government. They have been terrific, in terms of close information sharing and close coordination, recognizing that both countries, which are bound together with great common feelings of culture, are also, unfortunately, bound together by being targeted through terror. But because of the close working relationship between the British government and the U.S. government, we have managed to make sure that the people of both countries and the people of the world are safer.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=5794

Sure sounds like Chertoff wants us to think that the feds broke this case and that the Brits just lent a hand.

Chertoff at this morning's press briefing:

The work in this investigation has been a remarkable example of interagency coordination in the federal government. We've had numerous intelligence components and law enforcement components working together seamlessly in a coordinated fashion to address this emerging threat and to take the steps necessary to protect the American public from it. I also have to give special thanks to our partners, the British government. They have been terrific, in terms of close information sharing and close coordination, recognizing that both countries, which are bound together with great common feelings of culture, are also, unfortunately, bound together by being targeted through terror. But because of the close working relationship between the British government and the U.S. government, we have managed to make sure that the people of both countries and the people of the world are safer.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=5794

Sure sounds like Chertoff wants us to think that the feds broke this case and that the Brits just lent a hand.


The problem with all their bs is ... they never produce any evidence -- no proof whatsoever. It's always "trust us -- we'd like to show you the proof but we can't do that in the name of national security."

Only the Rubes are buying this one.

What Plot?

So far no names and no evidence has been presented.

If this thing was being investigated for 18 months why is it now, after the suppossed plotters have been arrested, that they place the resrictions on baggage? Especially if it "could have happened anytime now."

4 of the people they arrested have already been released.

Its not even a 'new' plot. This was suppossedly recycled from the 90's...

I'm not buying it at this point. Smells like that fake ricin plot Britian pretended to thwart a while back...

No suprise there in your post. You jump all over anything Israel does, but when it comes to terrorists you take 5 steps back.

Placing restrictions on baggage is easy to understand
- What if there were other people involved that they didn't know about
- What if people hearing the news decide to copycat

It seems this plot is real, CNN reports they found 2 martydom videos in the houses they searched. Money was wired from Pakistan to buy the tickets.

It sounds like it was actually the Pakistani authorities that discovered the plot & let US & UK authorities know about it.

The British foiled this plot. American intelligence obviously didn't have a clue. Freethinker

The plot was to take place in Great Britain. I would expect the Brits to be the ones to foil it.

Me too.

You also have no idea what American intelligence knew about the plot or even if it was they who first gave the Brits a heads up.

Wrong.

I have some idea what they may have known, or not known, in that IF the American intell agencies were on to this, they'd be producing the evidence that it was they who thwarted the plot. They haven't.

Might as well have piled the fucking money up and burned it, as far as it having provided ONE iota of benefit to any of the ordinary citizens in the US.......but all those mega-billions weren't REALLY *thrown away*........it's just that the money now resides in the bank accounts of the fatcats in the Oil and Defense industries.

Once again, the real Jackpot, aside from stealing the oil from Iraq, is the "Department of Treasury of the United Staes of North America", ... "the money is already there, so lets have a war to cover our asses while stealing it".

Once again, the real Jackpot, aside from stealing the oil from Iraq, is the "Department of Treasury of the United Staes of North America", ... "the money is already there, so lets have a war to cover our asses while stealing it".

Yeah like we've ever stolen any oil from Iraq

A) Iraq doesn't produce any oil worth a shit yet
B) We pay for Oil, we don't steal it

Jackass.

I'm not buying it at this point. Smells like that fake ricin plot Britian pretended to thwart a while back...

I don't know the schedule for elections in the UK, but is this an elections year?

I don't know the schedule for elections in the UK, but is this an elections year?

Blair is at 23% in the polls ... not much else ya need to know.

The UK has already taken credit and added the U.S. didn't know squat and the UK intentionally left them out of it.
OR
The problem with all their bs is ... they never produce any evidence -- no proof whatsoever. It's always "trust us -- we'd like to show you the proof but we can't do that in the name of national security."
Only the Rubes are buying this one.
Wait. I thought the Brits uncovered this without our help. Uncovered what? You're saying it's not true.

You must be so conflicted. Either our intelligence is incompetent or it's a pretend terrorist plot.
You can only choose one? What will you do, what will you do????

Gureilla and Dop, let me get this straight.
The London bombing was real. The Madrid bombing was real. 9/11 was real.
Every other one that didn't actually happen wasn't real.
Is that it?

So less than 24 hours after this thing broke, we're already declaring it fake because they haven't released any names or evidence? At least give them 72 hours or something. Sheesh.

A question--is it simplistic thinking to think that that's ALL they're ever going to use?

Good question, because if they ever got a clue and started trying to blow up high school football games in Iowa they'd really be on to something. But for whatever reason, airplanes and trains seems to give them a real stiffy.

Fake Terror – Ricin Ring That Never Was
Yesterday’s trial collapse has exposed the deception behind
attempts to link al-Qaida to a ‘poison attack’ on London
By Duncan Campbell
The Guardian – UK
4-15-5
http://www.gnn.tv/forum/thread.php?id=4397

One interesting thing would be to look at the futures market in airlines stock for the period surrounding this. Al Qaeda did use the attacks on 9/11 as a fund raising device by options trading. Perhaps Al Qaeda needs to raise funds, and giving up a few low level operatives to make money on the movement of airlines stock prices could be worth it to them.

Al Qaeda did use the attacks on 9/11 as a fund raising device by options trading. So did the CIA and Mossad and other unnamed uninvestigated sources. They all could have a stake.

You people are incredible. Immediatetly you jump to the conclusion that it's fake.

It's not an election year in the UK.

This clearly wasn't fake.

I guess it would take 3000 people to die for some people to pull their head out of their ass.

Feel better now?
The London Police say they stopped a terrorist threat before it got started.
This time they didn’t wait until after things started to blow up - they arrested people before anything happened.
When the bombs went off in London’s subways not long ago the first thing the London Police did was gun down a tourist from Brazil.
They acted on information that was apparently extracted from an individual who had been captured either in Afghanistan or Pakistan.
Do you think that this information could have been extracted through torture?
Everyone is happy the bad guys have been foiled and that they will not be able to blow up explosives disguised as beverages with detonators disguised as electronic devices. We haven’t had any news about what liquids they were going to use or how they got them.
Interpol, the FBI and the CIA nor any other agency, claims to have broken up this terrorist band that “U.S. government officials said privately could have been the biggest terrorist attack since September 11, 2001“.
It’s a good story but is it true? Because of what I have read about him I cannot trust the London Police Chief Sir Ian Blair.
He reminds me of the New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik who pleaded guilty to accepting tens of thousands of dollars in gifts while he was a top city official.
Tony Blair took the news in stride and did not interrupt his Caribbean vacation.
When will Sir Ian step aside?

You people are incredible. Immediatetly you jump to the conclusion that it's fake.

It's not an election year in the UK.

This clearly wasn't fake.

I guess it would take 3000 people to die for some people to pull their head out of their ass.

I can understand how you feel Drew, but I'll wait until more of the story comes out before I decide if it's a fake or not. You can say I should I pull my head out of my ass, but let me ask you this...why are you so quick to trust what our government is saying? It's not like they haven't deliberately misled us in the past.

There have been so few details released yet that it's impossible to make an informed decision at this point one way or the other.

As more of the story unfolds it seems that those who say the U.S. knew nothing about it are completely wrong. This was a Brit run operation with input from both the United States and Pakistan. The U.S. intercepted the chatter that told them the plot was unfolding to its execution stage and Pakistan supplied the initial intelligence.

This is a real war and the foiling of the plot highlights the importance of security methods. Had not George Bush allied himself with Musharif, had not the Brits taken the threat of terror more seriously than some other nations, had not the United States been monitoring chatter the plot might have succeeded and three thousand or more additional innocents might be dead.

It was posted by someone that we don't even know what the liquid explosive was. That poster was mistaken. We know exactly what the liquid explosive was and how it was going to be detonated.

This was an intelligence coup that saved thousands of lives and for some to pooh pooh it because of some misdirected hatred of George Bush as seems to be the case illustrates the blindness of many of those on the left.

Fake ricin ring as mentioned above

Terrorist ring in Miami that turned out to be american undercover agents

Shooting a muslim terrorists that was strapped with bombs and running away from police in the London tubes to find out it was a Brazilian electrician that was strapped with nothing and he was walking... BTW: this might be a good time to stay out of the London tubes if you have brown skin.

Pat tillman

Jessica Lynch

Imagineer has it figured out ... follow the money.

BTW: this might be a good time to stay out of the London tubes if you have brown skin.
You're fucking UNBELIEVEABLE. One Brazilian national gets shot for not stopping when commanded to do so, and all the sudden Jack the Ripper is an English Bobby out for "brown skinned blood" :rolleyes:. Do you have any idea how many Indians and Pakistanis live in the UK??? How many of them are shot by the police for NO reason, whatsoever?

You know, reducing everything to a race issue makes you sound like an asshole, so given the obvious, maybe you should think about curbing your future comments. Just a thought.

Imagineer has it figured out ... follow the money.

Yeah, we're making money hand over fist with this war against terrorism.

Just look at all the cheap oil that is flooding the market. Look at how airline stocks have soared in value. It's a good thing the war on terrorism isn't costing us anything and is actually making us all rich.

Sometimes it is all I can do to keep from calling some people numbnuts idiots.

Sometimes it is all I can do to keep from calling some people numbnuts idiots.
Exactly.

Imagineer has it figured out ... follow the money.

Yeah, we're making money hand over fist with this war against terrorism.

Just look at all the cheap oil that is flooding the market. Look at how airline stocks have soared in value. It's a good thing the war on terrorism isn't costing us anything and is actually making us all rich.

Sometimes it is all I can do to keep from calling some people numbnuts idiots.

The oil may not be cheap, but we have access to and control of it.

LOL... its fake!... these guys are incredible....

We haven’t had any news about what liquids they were going to use or how they got them.Oh, that takes the cake.

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A simple question - do you think it was fake?

The liquid was probably Triacetone Triperoxide (TATP) or hexamethylene triperoxide diamine (HMTD two explosive liquids that have been around for awhile and have already been used in bombings. TATP has been used by suicide bombers in Israel and Richard Ried, the "shoe bomber" inended to use it as a detonator.

My comment about following the money is a good plan regardless of whether this is a fake incident or a real one. People are greedy, and inside knowledge is profitable. Following the money could lead to top Al Qaeda people, or top government officials in this country. Either way, it is a good avenue to follow.

What money? Where is this money you are talking about?

In the 9/11 attacks there was a large increase in sell options for the stocks of the airlines whose planes were used for the day after the attacks. Sell options are an agreement made in advance to sell shares of stock at a pre-agreed price at a future date. You do not have to own the stock when you make the arrangement. When the option comes due, you can purchase the stock and transfer it to fullfill the agreement. If the price of the stock has gone down below the agreed upon price, you can make a large profit. Since those who knew about the attacks in advance were able to anticipate the decline in the price of the stocks, they profitted handsomely. One of the individuals who made millions in the 9/11 attack was a Deputy Director in the CIA. Nothing was ever proved in that case, but it was suspicous.
Those people who had sell options on the airlines that were to be involved in these attacks for the dates when the attacks were to occur should be investigated to determine if they are involved. It is a type of transaction that could indicate foreknowledge. In itself, it is not conclusive proof of anything, but it is a way to figure out who else might be involved.

The liquid was probably Triacetone Triperoxide (TATP) or hexamethylene triperoxide diamine (HMTD two explosive liquids that have been around for awhile and have already been used in bombings. TATP has been used by suicide bombers in Israel and Richard Ried, the "shoe bomber" inended to use it as a detonator.

Is it strong enough to take down an airplane? How much would you need? Would the plastic container be sufficient to hold the pressure without just imploding or exploding in the guys lap? Why did TSA just now put the 'no-liquids rule' if they knew about the plot for months? Who is the authority that claims these amateurs knew what they were doing? Why did they take them down before an attempt and possibly miss more players? Why did the stock market go up when it should have crashed like it did on 9/11 or any other day the world has a terror attack or disaster? Why are you so afraid?

Even pilots are joking about it ...

http://www.kfmb.com/stories/story.59669.html

Is it strong enough to take down an airplane? Yes How much would you need? Seemingly not that much since they were planning on secreting in in the bottom of bottles of sports drink bottles. Would the plastic container be sufficient to hold the pressure without just imploding or exploding in the guys lap? Of course. Aren't plastic bottles of soda and water strong enough to hold their liquids? Once it was detonated the idea would be that the bottle wouldn't be able to contain the explosion. Why did TSA just now put the 'no-liquids rule' if they knew about the plot for months? Because they didn't want to alert the terrorists that they were on to them. Who is the authority that claims these amateurs knew what they were doing? MI5 and Scotland Yard among others. Why did they take them down before an attempt and possibly miss more players? Because they felt they had waited a long as they prudently could without endangering lives. Why did the stock market go up when it should have crashed like it did on 9/11 or any other day the world has a terror attack or disaster? If I could explain why the stock market does what it does I would be a multi-billionaire. Why are you so afraid? I'm not afraid. In fact, my wife and I will be flying to Australia and New Zealand in about two months. I have not changed my flying habits since 9/11.

Why are you in such denial?

Do you need more tin foil for your hat?


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Is it strong enough to take down an airplane? How much would you need? Would the plastic container be sufficient to hold the pressure without just imploding or exploding in the guys lap?

Yes. Peroxide mixed with Acetone is a quite an explosive mixture. Both chemicals are easily obtained and inconspicous on their own.

Why did TSA just now put the 'no-liquids rule' if they knew about the plot for months?

I've never read that the TSA knew anything about it until a few hours before the new rules. Presumably they were trying to learn as much about these guys as possible - to implement new rules months ago would have blown the investigation.

Who is the authority that claims these amateurs knew what they were doing?

MI5, MI6, CIA etc

Why did they take them down before an attempt and possibly miss more players? Presumably they thought they were about to hatch the plot.

Why did the stock market go up when it should have crashed like it did on 9/11 or any other day the world has a terror attack or disaster? Why are you so afraid?

I can see no reason whatsoever that could concievably cause the stock market to crash. A foiled plot is good news not bad news.

Even pilots are joking about it ...

http://www.kfmb.com/stories/story.59669.html

er you mean one small plane pilot is laughing (perhaps). I don't think it's inconceivable that their are pilots out there that wear tin foil hats like yourself.

Hey this is proof that the plot was a fake. :rolleyes:


Recent pic of Dop at the computer > http://www.justtotheleft.com/images/2005.05.27.tin_foil_hat.JPG

Finally someone is calling this administration liars ... thank you Lou Dobbs.

Disclaimer: If you are a kool-aid drinker, do not watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahv3VdknyZ4

The video calls them inept - nothing new there. We all know they are totally inept.

The video calls them inept - nothing new there. We all know they are totally inept.

You obviously listened to the wrong video.

No I watched it all the way thru

Yes. Peroxide mixed with Acetone is a quite an explosive mixture. Both chemicals are easily obtained and inconspicous on their own.

And you know this because:
=========
1) You actually researched the material and have personally witnessed the emperical evidence
2) Your MIT graduate degree says so
3) You watched Mr. Wizard as a kid (and still do)
4) Hate radio said so -- it must be true

I've seen planes with the airframe completely blown away and the plane didn't go down -- so have you.

I've never read that the TSA knew anything about it until a few hours before the new rules. Presumably they were trying to learn as much about these guys as possible - to implement new rules months ago would have blown the investigation.

It was filtered down to the municiopal level weeks ago. There is no excuse for handling it the way they did when it could have been controlled at least to where it didn't totally upset the applecart of air-travel.

MI5, MI6, CIA etc

Presumably they thought they were about to hatch the plot.

Sure they were -- of course they hadn't books seats yet and in fact hadn't even picked out the flights -- ya know, the small details.

I can see no reason whatsoever that could concievably cause the stock market to crash. A foiled plot is good news not bad news.

You're young -- it's acceptable for you to not understand the markets -- I give you a pass on that one.

You're young -- it's acceptable for you to not understand the markets -- I give you a pass on that one.

Nice put down, but the reality is I doubt your level of education is even remotely close to mine. Just a guess.

The reality of the markets is it's millions of people - you seem to think they are all privy to some secret info and act accordingly. Whatever the markets do is no proof of anything regarding this plot.

You're young -- it's acceptable for you to not understand the markets -- I give you a pass on that one.If age means having an understanding of the markets, ask Freethinker about his history.

Nice put down, but the reality is I doubt your level of education is even remotely close to mine. Just a guess.

The reality of the markets is it's millions of people - you seem to think they are all privy to some secret info and act accordingly. Whatever the markets do is no proof of anything regarding this plot.

I'm not one that tries to put down people (in a personal way) in my posts so I'm surprised you took it that way. That was not the intention.

In order to be good at anything in life, it takes time. You have to go through the bad times along with the good and from that you gain wisdom but it usually takes time, a couple of cycles if you. That's why we don't have 18 year old CEO's.

My education is 40 years old so of course it won't compare to a modern day education but measured on the scale of worth -- you'd lose that bet.

My education is 40 years old so of course it won't compare to a modern day education but measured on the scale of worth -- you'd lose that bet.

Yeah apparently "back in your day" they taught people that the stockmarket was a group of people with insider information that they used on mass to react world events and then others "not in the know" could use the market response to discover the real truth on any subject.

In order to be good at anything in life, it takes time. You have to go through the bad times along with the good and from that you gain wisdom but it usually takes time, a couple of cycles if you. That's why we don't have 18 year old CEO's.
Give me a little more time. :D

You're young -- it's acceptable for you to not understand the markets -- I give you a pass on that one.
Are you kidding?

Aren't you the one who professed a firm belief that the stock market is a sure-fire way to lose money??? I believe the topic of conversation at the time centered on Social Security and private investment. (Uh, oh - I predict "semantics Dop" is on his way, bong in hand, with a comment like, "liar - I've never used those words" followed by a "prove it" soon after, but hey, let's not get mired down with eventualities.)

Let's face it, if anyone here doesn't understand the market, it's you.

Yeah apparently "back in your day" they taught people that the stockmarket was a group of people with insider information that they used on mass to react world events and then others "not in the know" could use the market response to discover the real truth on any subject.

LOL -- Back in my day (your words) no one taught you anything. You learned on your own or you were swallowed up. It was called the school of hard knocks. Your age is showing again.

LOL -- Back in my day (your words) no one taught you anything. You learned on your own or you were swallowed up. It was called the school of hard knocks. Your age is showing again.

Which translated means

"I have no education at all"

Which translated means

"I have no education at all"

I guess we're even on the put-downs.

Aren't you the one who professed a firm belief that the stock market is a sure-fire way to lose money??? I believe the topic of conversation at the time centered on Social Security and private investment.
Check and mate.
Two posts have gone by so far.
Thinking.
Thinking.
Must...squirm....out of this.


(PS - the answer will be that he's smarter than those others)

Tell me again how a little police force like London's, which has never been able to stop the flow of heroin to its streets, figured this one out without help.

Do they think we are stupid?

No, but I think you're stupid.

Tell me again how a little police force like London's, which has never been able to stop the flow of heroin to its streets, figured this one out without help.

Do they think we are stupid?

Talk radio is saying a neighboor tipped off the police and an undercover agent was planted in the group. Whatever -- good police work - we need more of that.

Recent pic of Dop at the computer >

Not very nice Drew.

heh, heh

Not very nice Drew.

Just showing dop without the gray beard & before his hair fell out. That's a side effect of wearing foil hats. Of course, the foil does keep the moon beams from corrupting thought patterns.

Suppossed terrorist plots in Britians recent history that were nothing of the sort...:

Forest Gate incident
the ricin plot
Manchester football stadium
The Brazilian young man was shot last year

Suppossed terrorist plots in Britians recent history that were nothing of the sort...:

Forest Gate incident
the ricin plot
Manchester football stadium
The Brazilian young man was shot last year

And your point is exactly what?

The question you need to ask yourself is - does the UK government maintain these issues were real or do they admit they were not valid? In that answer you can find the pointlessness of your post.

fyi - the brazilian guy that was shot could hardly be called a "terrorist plot" - a mistake is the word you should have used.

It all really is very scary!!!!!!

Im so glad it didnt work!!

fyi - the brazilian guy that was shot could hardly be called a "terrorist plot" - a mistake is the word you should have used. When the british pigs murdered him they claimed they thought he had explosives under a trench coat and was running from them. All of it was lies. No trench-coat, no explosives, no running. They claimed they were stopping a terrorist plot from becoming real.