So let's debate relgions.

What's your take on Deism?

As in do I think it's good or bad, or as in do I think its tenets are logical, or what?

I don't personally believe in it, but if someone else wants to, good for them. It's a free country. Of course they better keep quiet about it or some fundamentalists are going to jump on their case.

Logical. It's neither good nor bad.

To each his own

You've gotta make your question a little more specific. It's pretty general. I for one don't even know where to start.

;)

It involves belief in an omnipotent god, therefore it's BS.

What about satanism the worship of the devil?

mad dog-

Are you addressing me? If so, Satan was supposedly created by an omnipotent God so that's BS too.

Leper, I really was addressing anybody that wanted to answer. I do like your answer though, BS........

What about magic? Is any of it real?

I know a Wiccan or two: nice people, really, with the oddest beliefs.

What about satanism the worship of the devil?
Satanism isn't the worship of the devil. They don't beleive in heaven or hell. It's just the label you christians gave them.

It involves belief in an omnipotent god, therefore it's BS.
Not quite. God created the universe, and then said, "fuck you".

Are you addressing me? If so, Satan was supposedly created by an omnipotent God so that's BS too.
Don't forget. The omnipotant god was created by humans.

What about magic? Is any of it real?
Depends on what you mean by real. I spent a lot of time studying Wiccan and the Occult beliefs. Most of it involves general herbs(like for the love potion, it is herbs that attracts the opposite sex) and a bit of belief. They tend to just make their herbal potions and such, and then put in a lot of hope, and some "miracles" happen. A misconseption about Wiccans. They beleive in really odd things. Not exactly, many are actually Christians. But many also tend to call upon ancient gods and goddesses. Most common are Bacchus , Apollo, Venus, Ra, Osiris, and Odin.

Magic is real.

A microwave oven would be magic to some people on Earth today.

What we call magic is just phenomena we can't explain with sciens (a very powerful form of magic indeed).

The Universe appeared out of nothingness. It appeared because the void noticed itself. Call it what you want.

GOD IS A MYTH!!!

I thought Deists such as yourself believed in a god?

God is a myth. A myth is something used to explain the unexplainable. God is used to explain the creation of the universe.


"1. A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or heroes that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society: the myth of Eros and Psyche; a creation myth. " Dictionary dot com

Ancient supernatural myths are seen as being wrong, but the newer gods are right. They are all no more than myths. Any one of them could be correct, or they all could be wrong and an entirely different religion not seen yet could be correct.
Some form of a supernatural being makes sense. The creation of the universe is too large of a coincidence to be just purely atoms. God might exist on a different plane then us. There are 4 more after ours.

Is the highest from of science. If a "religion" is not dealing with objective reality then it is crap.

When I say "the Universe came into existence because the void noticed itself" I am not writing figuratively. I am speaking in objective scientific language. I mean, literally, "God" became all objects because it noticed that it existed and our "reality" is a an expression of the statement "I am (that I am)".

We exist because "God" realized it existed. Literally.

Interesting. I have a take at god that every single moron atheist that I saw called me a nutball for. Let's see how I fare here...


"There are seven different planes(dimensions) in this universe. We only know of 4 concretely. Those below us, ours, and the forth for time. We cannot interact with any plane above ours, therefore we cant do shit with planes 4 through 7. A lot of things could be occuring in those planes. Those planes can interact with the ones under it, for example, we are affected by time, the fourth plane. In every single religion God interacts with the people in it. Not exactly directly though. There was the burning bush that spoke to Moses. We cannot touch god, we cannot speak directly to it. People have had epiphanies due to this god. Could this god possibly exist on the planes higher than us?

Another thing to think about. Maybe we exist on the higher planes. Our souls could be on those planes higher. Lets see, we could be on plane 6, god on 7. That leaves him the ability to interact with everything. Number 5, I don't know. This third plane that our bodies exist on could be completely dead. Our souls could come from the higher plane and take control of our bodies, and leave when we die. God could be like a giant judge. We have to live on earth to see if we can be entered into "heaven". That would mean all other animals have souls too. Maybe the plants also. Possibly everything, from rocks to fire. A giant mesh of basically every religion on earth. Even suitable to those who believe god is an alien. He is, to our plane."


A bit of scientific backing behind the 7 planes:


" 'Blibblob, there is not a word in Einstein's theories about "7 dimensions" or any such nonsense.'

If you take it straight out of his theories, of course not. His theories don't work at all. His math was off, the G=piT formula which was supposed to explain curvature of space is too short, nothing works with it. His 10 seperate equations are too long and complicated, and we have not been able to test them until now, with our super computers. There were errors in them, they had to be fixed. Einstein died beleiving black holes didn't exist. They do make sense, now don't they? We've seen evidence. You can't trust Einstein, you have to trust those who studied him and came up with seperate theories. One of which is that our four dimensions can't exist without at least 3 more. I have never seen your 11 or 18 tiny dimensions. Never come across it at all. I have, however, come across the 7 dimension theory many times. I did read up on the supestring theory, and that also makes sense. Although it appears to throw off the structure of space-time far too much.

Take an embeding diagram. It is two dimensional plus time. It appears to curve. In your mind, try and throw in a third dimension. It would be a sphere, within a sphere, within a sphere forever. Does that not throw off far too many things around it? Add a fith dimension. It would ovalize it, would it not(basically)? Add a sixth, is it still curved? Add a seventh, it is curved no longer. Space-time is now straight again. That is what is needed. Space-time is not supposed to be curved. The end result is to try and make it straight again, therefore you need at least 7 dimensions. Einstein said that with the fourth dimension added into the embeding diagram, it would make space-time flat or straight, but it really doesn't, does it?"


How is that theory?

I agree about the "planes" of existence and there being higher beings. A higher being could have even created our whole universe. Our universe could be a sixth dimensional version of a photogtaph. We might be a complete accident or analogous to bacteria. Life might just be inevitable so while some higher being was trying to create a motion picture we are living among the pixels.

If some higher being did create us that doesn't make him God because the question always comes down to "who created the higher being?"

God is the one who was not created. The one who has always been. God is the Universe itself such that any entity that has a will seperate from others and a form that is localized in one place is , necesarily, not God for God Is not seperate from anything (even the filthiest).

I have come to believe that there is a being which controls our Universe, but he is jealous and childish like the God of Abraham. Above or beyond that being, I call him Rex Mundi (it means "king of the world" I got that from some ancient myth), there is the true God. The one who manifested itself into objects without any help. The one who sustains everything from within, even Rex and even us.

God would not protect us from Rex anymore than he protects the rabbits from the eagles. Rex is not the Biblical Devil, though. Satan is a representation of our reptile brain, our most savage qualities. Our animal within. Satan does make you do evil things. Our reptile brain is a killer (the brain has evolved through every lower stage of animal such that our "big" brain is perched on top of more primitive ones).

Anyway there probably is life in lower dimensions and higher ones, but the dimensions are not different realms you can travel to, they are all right here.

A point

A line

A square

A cube

A tesseract

The tesseract is a four dimensional object which contains all of the lower dimensional objects. A three dimensional object (like a human) can't interract with a four dimensional one or even precieve it as such but it is sharing the same space with objects of higher and lower numbers of dimensions.

Time is a spatial dimension just like height. The only difference is that our entire universe moves through it simultaneously. Evey dimension rotates through the higher ones and experiences "time" in this way.

Our third dimension is a lower dimensional being's "time".

There is obviosly a lot to this so I will cut it short:

The total number of dimensions is ten.

Somehow the ten dimensional sphere must rotate through the one dimensional sphere.

The Universe is a circle (or sphere or hypersphere depending on what number of dimensions you are dealing with), it's not flat because it's "infinite" (like the Earth is infinite to one who can't escape the atmosphere).

Time is a spatial dimension just like height. The only difference is that our entire universe moves through it simultaneously. Evey dimension rotates through the higher ones and experiences "time" in this way.

Our third dimension is a lower dimensional being's "time".
Time is what exists on the fourth dimension, according to Einstein.

The total number of dimensions is ten.
Ten? The numbers that I have seen are: 13, 7, and infinite. Never seen the ten count before.

I'm sorry, but looking at that, it looks as though you quoted everything from "A Wrinkle In Time".


The Universe is a circle (or sphere or hypersphere depending on what number of dimensions you are dealing with), it's not flat because it's "infinite" (like the Earth is infinite to one who can't escape the atmosphere).
You said "not flat", don't you mean not linear? 2nd dimension would make it flat. But not linear. :D

I wouldn't put any bullshit like "A Wrinkle In Time" in my hand to read. I am not familiar with that "source".

Again, dimensions are not seperate realms. Take a cube, for instance: It has three dimensions. They all exist simultaneously in the same space. If you look at any two dimensions you see a square. It's not that the height of the cube exists in another realm than the width.

Time does not exist in the fourth dimension. Our three dimensional three dimensional Universe rotates in a fourth direction that we can't detect or imagine much like Europeans could not imagine the Earth being a sphere instead of a plane. This motion, to us, is "time". There are probably life forms in two dimensions that precieve their motion through a third dimension as "time".

Time IS a fourth dimension. But it is a spatial dimension just like all the others. There are more than four spatial dimensions. I basically settled on "ten spatial dimensions" because it seems to fit better than odd numbers (the way they calculate the number of dimensions is they add variables to the Pythagorean Theorum. When they use ten variables the theorum pretty much describes all observable phenomena. They haven't got it completely figured out yet but they are trying to come up with one theory to explain everything. They are calling it the Unified Field Theory. I got that from a book on Quantum Physics).

I'm sorry, but where are you getting dimensions beyond four? All I know of are the x axis, y axis, z axis, and t axis.

Can someone name and describe the 5th dimension?

The point is that you can't describe it. Can you describe the fourth dimension? You can guess, but you don't know.

Again, dimensions are not seperate realms. Take a cube, for instance: It has three dimensions. They all exist simultaneously in the same space. If you look at any two dimensions you see a square. It's not that the height of the cube exists in another realm than the width.
Ok, they may not be different realms, but the higher ones allow more interaction than the lower ones. It could be possible that we are just invisible things sitting on a "cube" to something that could possibly be existing on a higher dimension.

Dimensions 5-10 are a bit complicated...

"The Universe is a symphony of vibrating strings. And when strings move in ten-dimensional space-time, they warp the space-time surrounding them in precisely the way predicted by general relativity.
Physicists retrieve our more familiar four-dimensional Universe by assuming that, during the big bang, six of the ten dimensions curled up (or "compactified") into a tiny ball, while the remaining four expanded explosively, giving us the universe we see.
In a recent interview, Dr. Kaku discussed the impact that this new ten-dimensional idea is having on the scientific community.
To its supporters, this prediction that the universe originally began in ten dimensions introduces a startling new realm of breathtaking mathematics into the world of physics. To its critics, it borders on science fiction."

For more info, search Google for "superstring theory".

The superstring theory that I saw called for 13 total dimensions(bad bad number, fundamentalists dont like that...).

How often has science fiction been right? Quite a bit, eh?

Originally posted by BorgHunter
I know a Wiccan or two: nice people, really, with the oddest beliefs.



What makes you say they are odd?

Originally posted by es347fan
What about magic? Is any of it real?


Look at nature, the ocean, the animals and birds, then tell me there is no real magic in the world.

There is magic every day, one just needs to stop and take a look.