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Frogger
07-20-2006, 09:01 AM
Third of male fish in rivers are changing sex
By FIONA MACRAE, Daily Mail

19:36pm 19th July 2006

Experts say female hormones from the contraceptive pill and HRT are being washed into our rivers and causing male fish to produce eggs.

The problem - which is country-wide - has raised fears that the pollutants could also be contaminating our drinking water - and even be affecting the fertility of men.

The Environment Agency study looked at the health of more than 1600 roach found in 51 rivers and streams around the country.

Overall, a third of the male fish were between sexes. However, in one waterway, near a particularly heavy discharge of treated sewage more than 80 per cent had female characteristics.

Tests showed the males developed female sex organs and were producing eggs. Such fish also produce less sperm and the sperm that is produced is of low quality. Females may also be affected, producing abnormal eggs.

Previous studies have that cod, trout and flounders are all being feminised.

Researcher Professor Charles Tyler said that the fish are swimming in a soup of oestrogen-like compounds, found in the Pill and in HRT.

The hormone, which is also produced naturally by women and found in industrial waste, is released into our waterways after surviving the sewage treatment process.

Prof Tyler, one of the country's leading authorities on the effects of oestrogen, said: 'There is a soup of oestrogen compounds, all with different degrees of potency and they are interactive in their effects - if you add them together, you add there are additional effects.

'This soup of oestrogen is responsible for causing these changes to the fish. It is abnormal. These fish should be male or female. The fact that we have got such a large proportion right across the country is not right.'

The Exeter University professor said it is too early to say what the long-term implications will be for Britain's fishlife.

While it may not initially have a big impact on stock levels, a reduction in the number of breeding males could lead to all sorts of genetic problems in later years.

'Effects like a change in how many males can contribute to the population can change the genetic structure of the population,' he said. 'In five years' item, the whole system could go belly-up.'

Human health could also be at risk, with oestrogen from contaminated food and water building up in our bodies.

Although there is no conclusive proof, it is thought the hormone, which has similar actions in fish and humans, could be partly to blame for falling sperm counts in men.

British men's sperm counts dropped by almost a third between 1989 and 2002, and one in six couples now have difficulty conceiving.

Prof Tyler said: 'There is certainly the potential for it to have an effect in humans - and possibly a marked effect.'

The Environment Agency is looking at ways of improving the sewage treatment process, to either remove oestrogen during the process or reduce the amount that is discharged into our waterways.

Imagineer
07-21-2006, 04:43 AM
The last estimate I ran across was that about 200 substances mimic the effects of estrogen in the human body. The best known of these is DDT, which is banned in the U.S., but is still in use in many parts of the world. Another common substance that mimics estrogen is polyethylene. It is entirely likely that we are affecting ourselves in negative ways with our use of chemicals. Many of the effects have never been tested for, because we don't test every substance for all it's possible effects due to cost.

Here is an interesting link to learn more.

http://e.hormone.tulane.edu/learning/eesources.html

Frogger
07-21-2006, 11:28 AM
You mentioned DDT. I think among the worst crimes foisted on the world by liberals is the banning of DDT. Rachel Carson is somewhere in the inner circle of hell for her part in having it banned.

More lives especially in Africa are lost due to the banning of DDT than just about any other cause and the developed nations of the West still make sure it isn't used to kill mosquitoes and other deadly insects there.

LionelHutz
07-21-2006, 09:51 PM
You mentioned DDT. I think among the worst crimes foisted on the world by liberals is the banning of DDT. Rachel Carson is somewhere in the inner circle of hell for her part in having it banned.

You read that John Stoessel book too?

Frogger
07-22-2006, 12:22 AM
Yeah. I also read the Rachel Carson book years ago and was fooled into agreeing with the eco-maniacs for years.

DrewM
07-23-2006, 02:51 AM
The solution is to drink a lot of beer - then none of that stuff is important at all.

es347fan
07-24-2006, 11:19 PM
I can remember using DDT spray on rats in Viet Nam. Come to think of it, we also used to take the bullets out of .38 cartridges, push the cartridge into a bar of soap (making a soap plug the actual projectile), reload the pistol & using those on rats as well. Lubricated the barrel as well as offing mr. rat.

007
08-22-2006, 11:50 PM
Come to think of it, we also used to take the bullets out of .38 cartridges, push the cartridge into a bar of soap (making a soap plug the actual projectile), reload the pistol & using those on rats as well. Lubricated the barrel as well as offing mr. rat.

I've heard of using rock salt in a shotgun, but the soap is a new one to me. Interesting, and a good way to save on lead if you could get your own loads as well as getting the rat to clean up his act.



sorry, couldn't help that one.


007.

500lbguerilla
09-03-2006, 07:17 PM
Can't remember what it was but...

Theres an estrogen mimic in certain plastics. Japan figured it out because they kept finding that people with certain relations to the food industry were getting specific types of cancer. I had a professor that highly suggested that you soak all plastic food related items for 24 hours before using them.

Oldtimer
09-04-2006, 04:21 PM
... you soak all plastic food related items for 24 hours before using them.

Sorry, I know what you mean, but I had this vision of going into a fast-food restaurant. I sat at a plastic table with plastic knives and forks. The waiter brought me plastic food on a plastic plate and I ask him if he's sure the food had been soaked in water for 24 hours. :)

DanF
09-04-2006, 04:39 PM
I am sure we are changing many things around us without realizing it.
The future may be quite interesting for those young enough to see it.

Frogger
09-04-2006, 05:34 PM
I've heard of using rock salt in a shotgun, but the soap is a new one to me. Interesting, and a good way to save on lead if you could get your own loads as well as getting the rat to clean up his act.



sorry, couldn't help that one.


007.

I just saw a movie on t.v. where they used dry ice. It is harder than soap or even rock salt and sublimates into the air leaving no trace.

Imagineer
09-05-2006, 11:37 AM
I am sure we are changing many things around us without realizing it.
The future may be quite interesting for those young enough to see it.

It always has been. The neverending story has many twists and turns.

Frogger
09-05-2006, 03:01 PM
Ooog the caveman probably turned to his cavemate and said, "You know Grong, the weather was a lot nicer before we started shooting these arrows into the air."

Imagineer
09-06-2006, 03:57 PM
Ooog the caveman probably turned to his cavemate and said, "You know Grong, the weather was a lot nicer before we started shooting these arrows into the air."

More likely, Ooog said "Look, the glaciers are receeding since we started shooting those arrows. Let's keep it up. It pleases the Gods that we do it, and they reward us."

007
09-12-2006, 05:14 PM
I just saw a movie on t.v. where they used dry ice. It is harder than soap or even rock salt and sublimates into the air leaving no trace.


Very interesting. You may have just replaced my favorite murder weapon, the icicle. (spelling?) Think of it, you have someone you feel the need to stab, you may have to premeditate it or it could be winter. You stab him with the icicle and it melts in the corpse. No murder weapon, no fingerprints, just a watery hole.

But now you bring me the dry ice, sharpened to a point, I suppose. Now there isn't even a watery hole. Just a bloody hole. Kind of gruesome isn't it. Just the kind of thing a secret agent might need to know. Thanks.

Sorry, didn't mean the threadjack.


007. :cool: