Why did the Allies allow a hot spot for the Jews after WWII? Why didn't they find another place like US did when they bought that piece of African land now called "LIBERIA"?
Jews everywhere had enough money to pay for the tag price that any African country would've asked for even a bigger piece of land than the size of what Israel has today, even after the conquests of 1967.
Besides in the days after WWII most of Africa was still a colony of several European countries, they could have done something about placing the Jews somewhere else instead of that HOT spot that is the middle east.
It wasn't a bad idea that the Germans thought in the beginning about sending them to Madagascar.

Cro, your notion that Jews were "sent" to Palestine is a bit misguided.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

Cro, your notion that Jews were "sent" to Palestine is a bit misguided. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

I know and understand they pushed their entrance into Palestine even before WWII, but could the Allies have done something about it, different from allowing it to happen? Though they tried a bit to prevent it from happening.

Cro,

It was an emotional rather than a political decision. The victors in WWII wanted to show that they weren't anti-Semitic so they wanted the Jews returned to their ancestral homeland. In their eagerness to offer compensation to the Jews for their suffering they completely ignored the fact that there were already people living in the area they were giving away. They also ignored the fact that the people they were giving the land to had no right or claim to it. These were Sephardic and Ashkenazic Jews not displaced residents of the area.

I guess jewish emigrants wanted to go back on the earth of their ancestors and where they felt at home. That makes sense. They wanted to get their old land back, not to build a new one from scratch.
Besides this, Liberia did not prove to be a real success. And I'm afraid any "proper" place in the world would anyway have had its own inhabitants who would not have been very happy with the process.
Too bad Israel was built from the beginning by violence towards arabs. If things had been done diffrently, Jewish, Muslim and Christian cultures could have coexisted pacifically like they did for centuries, since all these people have many values and traditions in common.

Israel is a complete and utter failure due to warmongering zionists. Israel was suppossed to be a 'safe haven' for jews. So ask any jew walking down the street, do they feel safer taking a bus where they are or in haifa?....

Another misconception is that Zionists actually care about Jews, rather then fulfilling scripture. If this were true jews would not be used as human sheilds to steal land and ideas like below would never have existed:
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http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/zanda.cfm

As far as Zionism is concerned, the founder of Zionism and apostate, Theodor Herzl, sought to intensify hatred of the Jew in order to enhance the cause of political Zionism. Here are some of his “pearls”:

“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)

Israel is a complete and utter failure due to warmongering zionists.

It would be closer to the truth to say that your incredibly biased jew hating mindset is a complete & utter failure. You have the thought process of a wacko.

How is Isreal a failure? Seems pretty successful to me. It's a modern democracy with a rule of law and strong military. It's surrounded by failed nations that without oil revenues would be more backward than the poorest african nation.

And how is Isreal warmongering? If they were warmongering they would have invaded and occupied vast amounts of Arab lands. The only time they have expanded their borders was when they were attacked by a coalition of arab nations, and since then they have handed back most of that land, only keeping it in the first place as a security buffer.

500lb your logic is baseless, even an idiot can see that Isreal just wants to live in security. Why would they want anything other than that? Their neighbors want either A) Their destruction, or B) More than Isreal can give them, so they resort to terrorist attacks on Isreal, and then you complain about Isreal responding to that. Certainly Isreal is not perfect, but show me a country that is.

It's Incredible really just how blind you choose to be. The only conclusion I can reach for your irrational thought process is you must hate jews.

Israel is not a democracy:
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2002/494/494p11.htm

If they were warmongering they would have invaded and occupied vast amounts of Arab lands. Israel currently accupies ALL of Palestine and refuses to give back the 78% it stole after it was created. All offers of "peace" leave out 78% of Palestinian land.

I don't hate jews but hey thanks for playing the 'anti-semite card'. I am indifferent to jews beyond them being human beings. I hate Zionists though. Zionists are not always jews. But hey don't let that stop you from accusing me of being racist because you have no valid arguemnts...
500lb your logic is baseless, even an idiot can see that Isreal just wants to live in security. Even an idiot can see that constantly terrorizing Palestinians will only encourage more terrorist attacks in response. Any idiot can see that Might does not make right and is doing nothing to stop the violence. Any Idiot can see the innocent civilians being murdered has absolutly nothing to do with security. But appearently your not just any idiot, your drew.

Oh and as for your BS claim about giving land back heres a few maps:

UN Mandate for Palestine:
http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/cf02d057b04d356385256ddb006dc02f/164333b501ca09e785256cc5005470c3!OpenDocument

And the current map (note the area around Jeruselem)
http://www.mideastweb.org/misrael.htm

The Apartheid wall and its incursions into whats left of Palestinian territory:
http://stopthewall.org/maps/1159.shtml

Illegal Israeli 'settlements' (IE: Huamn sheilds for theft):
http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/cf02d057b04d356385256ddb006dc02f/96fd41bb37e40f8685256b98006ec72a!OpenDocument

Cro,

It was an emotional rather than a political decision. The victors in WWII wanted to show that they weren't anti-Semitic so they wanted the Jews returned to their ancestral homeland.

Apperances of anti-semitism notwithstanding, they also didn't want boatloads of Jewish refugees landing on their own shores.


In their eagerness to offer compensation to the Jews for their suffering they completely ignored the fact that there were already people living in the area they were giving away. They also ignored the fact that the people they were giving the land to had no right or claim to it. These were Sephardic and Ashkenazic Jews not displaced residents of the area.

The Allies were pretty full of themselves right after WWII.

Israel is not a democracy:
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2002/494/494p11.htm.

After reading the article from the link provided, I could very well say that Zionism (Israel) and Nazism are ... "COUSINS"?.

Could have said brothers ...

I say we give Israel California. Move them all there and everyone is happy, peace in the Middle East.:D

here is a little history of Israel.


Because no other peoples had ever established a national homeland in "Palestine" since the Jews had done it 2,000 years before, the British "looked favorably" upon the creation of a Jewish National Homeland throughout ALL of Palestine. The Jews had already begun mass immigration into Palestine in the 1880's in an effort to rid the land of swamps and malaria and prepare for the rebirth of Israel. This Jewish effort to revitalize the land attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighboring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of what few Arabs there or those Arab masses that immigrated into this area along with the Jews!

Encouraged and incited by growing Arab nationalism throughout the Middle East, the Arabs of that small remaining Palestinian territory west of the Jordan River launched never-ending murderous attacks upon the Jewish Palestinians in an effort to drive them out. Most terrifying were the Hebron massacres of 1929 and later during the 1936-39 "Arab Revolt." The British at first tried to maintain order but soon (due to the large oil deposits being discovered throughout the Arab Middle East) turned a blind eye. It became painfully clear to the Palestinian Jews that they must fight the Arabs AND drive out the British.

On May 14, 1948 the "Palestinian" Jews finally declared their own State of Israel and became "Israelis." On the next day, seven neighboring Arab armies... Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen... invaded Israel. Most of the Arabs living within the boundaries of the newly declared "ISRAEL" were encouraged to leave by the invading Arab armies to facilitate the slaughter of the Jews and were promised to be given all Jewish property after the victorious Arab armies won the war. The truth is that 70% of the Arab Palestinians who left in 1948 – perhaps 300,000 to 400,000 of them – never saw an Israeli soldier! They did not flee because they feared Jewish thugs, but because of a rational and reasonable calculus: the Jews will be exterminated; we will get out of the way while that messy and dangerous business goes forward, and we will return afterwards to reclaim our homes, and to inherit those nice Jewish properties as well. They guessed wrong; and the Arab Palestinians are still tortured by the residual shame of their flight. Their shame is so great because in their eyes running from Jews was like running from women. So much for the blatant lie about Jews throwing out all the [Palestinian] Arabs!

The remaining 30% either (1) saw for themselves that these Jews would fight and die for their new nation and decided to pack up and leave or (2) were driven off the land as a normal consequence of war.

When the 19 month war ended, Israel survived despite a 1% loss of its entire population! Those Arabs who did not flee became today's Israeli-Arab citizens. Those who fled became the seeds of the first wave of "Palestinian Arab refugees."

The Arab propagandists and apologists almost never mentioned that in 1948, Arab armies launched a war against a one-day-old Israel. Instead he focused on the main consequence of that war: the creation of Arab refugees, stating that Israel "short of genocide" expelled 800,000 of them. This not only disagrees with UN estimates of a bit over 400,000 refugees but also ignores the fact that most of the Arabs/Palestinians were encouraged to leave by the Arab World itself!