NEW POLLS SAYS DEMOCRATS LEADING

A new AP poll says Democrats are leading Republicans by a 3 to 1 margin and can expect to take over the House and Senate this fall, if things don't change. Bad news for the GOP, because those elections are only 4 months away. Or is it?

Consider this: poll after poll showed John Kerry was going to defeat George W. Bush 2 years ago for the presidency. The opposite happened...and by a fairly comfortable margin. So you have to take polls with a grain of salt, especially ones conducted under the watchful eye of the leftist Associated Press.

In addition, look at how the poll was conducted. 789 registered voters were asked if they would vote for the Republican or Democrat in their district. They chose the Democrat, by 51 to 40 percent. The only problem? Registered doesn't mean squat...unless you're a likely voter. Off-year elections are notorious for low turnout. Second, asking somebody about party affiliation is dubious at best. It's always been said that people hate the Congress but love their Congressman (or woman.) Without asking likely voters about specific candidates, the poll is worthless.

But not entirely. The Republican Party does need to wise up, if they expect to hold their majorities this fall. They can start by doing something about the illegal alien invasion, and out of control government spending .

By: Boortz

www.boortz.com

Sisko, you should e-mail Boortz and see if he wants to become a member here. You post his stuff often enough for him to be a regular member by now. :rolleyes:

No you can't trust polls.

If you polled the american public on what is 2+2 you'd get 50% saying 5.

No you can't trust polls.
Indeed.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Deweytruman12.jpg

Sisko, you should e-mail Boortz and see if he wants to become a member here. You post his stuff often enough for him to be a regular member by now. :rolleyes:
Is there something wrong with posting an article now?

I don't have a problem with someone posting the occasional opinion piece, but to post everything the same dude (Boortz) has ever written and to seemingly have no opinions of your own gets a little old.

Fully agreed, but most articles are nothing more than opinion pieces anyway. What about 500's unrelenting barrage of opinion pieces, not to mention FT's? If Sisko decided to post the whack job opinions of more than one author would it then be acceptable?

You should only trust polls if you agree with them.

If multiple polls tell you the same thing, then you should probably trust them. But Boortz is right about Congressional election polls, in that a generic "Republican or Democrat" poll doesn't really tell you much. It does, however, show the general attitude towards the two parties.

Fully agreed, but most articles are nothing more than opinion pieces anyway. What about 500's unrelenting barrage of opinion pieces, not to mention FT's? If Sisko decided to post the whack job opinions of more than one author would it then be acceptable?

Lionel hit it on the head Prae. I have no problem with sisko posting his buddies opinions, but at least when 500 and FT post something they usually include a few words of their own along with it. I'm trying to encorage sisko to include some of his own thoughts along with Mr. Boortz's.

Today's Democrats remind me of something I heard years ago. I was listening to Al Shaver call a Minnesota North Stars hockey game. The North Stars had a two man advantage but couldn't get the puck out of their own end. Shaver exclaimed "Would you look at this Minnesota power play! They look like five drunks going through a revolving door!"

The Democrats have been given a huge opportunity to score big this November but I see them frittering it away. Karl Rove will hand them their asses again if they don't get off them soon.

July polls? Utterly meaningless.

The Democrats have been given a huge opportunity to score big this November but I see them frittering it away. When the Republicans win, is it ever possible that voters just liked their ideas better?

When the Republicans win, is it ever possible that voters just liked their ideas better?Do you have a point or are you simply inferring something that I did not imply?

When the Republicans win, is it ever possible that voters just liked their ideas better?

Quite possible.

Masses of people often make unbelievably bad choices.

Eighty-nine and nine-tenths per cent of the German voters endorsed in yesterday's plebiscite Chancellor Hitler's assumption of greater power than has ever been possessed by any other ruler in modern times. _________ Frederick T. Birchall, New York Times (19th August, 1934)

When the Republicans win, is it ever possible that voters just liked their ideas better?

Absolutely, but since neither party has any ideas at the moment, the democrats should be making progress just by virtue of the many republican screw-ups. But they're not.

Besides my thoughts that tell me that a government of right wingers doesn't look for any improvement in the life of millions of inhabitants anywhere in the world since they just look for the growth of power and wealth of a dominant group. Governments must always change hands in order to achieve a wider scope of goals. The perpetuation of any form of government only leads to corruption, and when elections get to the point of being almost a 50-50 tie, they don't consider that almost half the population didn't agree with the way things are. Instead of gaining that other half that didn't vote for them, by having a government for everybody they always do the opposite. As for this country (US), I sincerely believe that there should be a change, but unfortunately the changes that occur here are always between the same two groups of idiots, no third choice, and as I have seen it, people go to vote with issues in their minds such as gays or religion, instead of the most important issue for any country, "economics". Also a government where things are decided behind close doors (lobbying, shame on this system), is not a government for the people. I don't think democracy means that one can vote every four years (five would be better and no reelection), and then telling the voters "fuck off, now we are in charge until you vote again".

And as for polls, no I don't trust them, half the time they are inclined to accept "under the table" payments, and don't forget that the "MEDIA" is controlled by a group interested in perpetuating the status quo, it is the polls-media association that seem to decide everything in any country.

Lionel hit it on the head Prae. I have no problem with sisko posting his buddies opinions, but at least when 500 and FT post something they usually include a few words of their own along with it. I'm trying to encorage sisko to include some of his own thoughts along with Mr. Boortz's.
Fully understood.

Absolutely, but since neither party has any ideas at the moment, the democrats should be making progress just by virtue of the many republican screw-ups. But they're not.The Dems, not being in power or having core beliefs, have the luxury of running away from positions when they become unpopular.
Just reciting a litany of "screw-ups" is not enough to get elected. Whether you agree with them or not, the Republicans have their own ideas beyond just criticizing their opponents.

The New York Times announced today that to save money they will shrink the width of their paper by 1 1/4 inches. They will also lay off thousands of employees (improving the paper and increasing their circulation never occurred to them).

Polls are a quick, cheap way for a newspaper to have a cover story for pennies compared to paying journalists to travel and investigate. That's why polls are so prevelant now.

Polls are a quick, cheap way for a newspaper to have a cover story for pennies compared to paying journalists to travel and investigate. That's why polls are so prevelant now.
That makes sense.

Full disclosure: Rush has been saying that for several years.
I think it is borne out by sagging circulation and lower profits coinciding with more and more polls.

Democrats are united, when they are, by a common idea...
Republicans are united, they always are, by the money... (And in those rare occasions when they aren't it is also because of the "money"...)

Democrats are united, when they are, by a common idea...
Really?

And what would that "common idea" be?

The "common idea" is............... 1. They hate Bush, 2.they want the economy to suck so republicans won't get re-elected. Oh 3.They hate Bush
4. they hate Bush
5. They want us to lose the war on terror, and lose in Iraq.
6. They hate Bush
7. They hate Bush.



Okay 7 common ideas hehehehe yea right.


Really?

And what would that "common idea" be?

The Dems, not being in power or having core beliefs, have the luxury of running away from positions when they become unpopular.
Just reciting a litany of "screw-ups" is not enough to get elected.

Agreed. Which is why they're not making any progress even though it would be easy to do so.

Whether you agree with them or not, the Republicans have their own ideas beyond just criticizing their opponents.

Yeah, but the ideas the Republicans have been pushing lately, beyond the general party planks that both parties have always had, aren't ones that fix the current major problems the country is facing. They can't seem to agree amongst themselves on issues like stem cell research and immigration.

A conflict poll

When NSA's phone data collecting was revealed, there were conflict polls. ABC said 63% people approve the spying. One day later, Newsweek said 57% people oppose it. A 20% difference at least. Which one do you believe?

Re: ABC

May 12, 2006 — Lending support to the administration's defense of its anti-terrorism intelligence efforts, 63 percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll say the secret program, disclosed Thursday by USA Today, is justified, while far fewer, 35 percent, call it unjustified.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1953464

Most Americans Oppose NSA Phone Data Program in Newsweek Poll

May 13 (Bloomberg) -- The Newsweek poll found that 57 percent of Americans think President George W. Bush's administration has gone too far in expanding presidential power. Thirty-eight percent of respondents said it hasn't gone too far.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...QxLRw&refer=us

Bloomberg reported 41% of American support NSA Surveillance. In two days, there were 22% difference to the 63% done by ABC. Is that too easy to manipulate a poll number?

Is America the home of coward and the land of covert totalitarian? Most people like themselves to be monitored?

The reality is when the government wants to justify their fascist policy, they throw out a poll number to justify it. Then they found the lie is too big to be believed, (ABC's) so they hurridly push out another one to make it more acceptable. (Newsweek's)

But I think the real number of people who have the mind of slaves (include those who monitor others) may not be bigger than 20%.

Anyway, it reveals media and poll are only mind control tools of the government. How easy it is to be manipulated.

politics is a dirty game.. with all the liberal press nowadays it doesnt suprise me at all to see dirty polls also...

politics is a dirty game.. with all the liberal press nowadays it doesnt suprise me at all to see dirty polls also...What 'dirty polls' are you talking about, Decka?

What 'dirty polls' are you talking about, Decka?

Those "dirty polls" that dare to show the democrats may be gaining popularity.

They also showed that Kerry would win in 2004. ............oops


Those "dirty polls" that dare to show the democrats may be gaining popularity.

They also showed that Kerry would win in 2004. ............oops
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Deweytruman12.jpg

They also showed that Kerry would win in 2004. ............oopsIf those polls had any effect on the election at all it would have been to motivate more Republicans to vote and more Democrats to stay home. If that's your example of a 'dirty' poll it isn't helping your 'evil liberal media' argument at all.

They also showed that Kerry would win in 2004. ............oopsActually, they didn't. They showed that the election could have gone either way.
For reference: http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Those "dirty polls" that dare to show the democrats may be gaining popularity.

hey maybe the democrats ARE gaining popularity... i would EXPECT them to be after how some of the republicans have represented themselves.. AND how the current administration has acted and how it has been portrayed....

BUT... thanks for putting words into my mouth pagan... the polls im talking about are the ones that are off by whom is polled, and then presented as truth. You'll see the poll and the headline in big letters... and at the bottom in small letters you'll see "The public polled for this survey was 59% democrat- 41% republican"... LOL

And as for announcing Kerry would win.. i would think the OPPOSITE effect would happen. Announcing that Kerry was crushing Bush would give "momentum" to the liberals, and it might even keep some Bush voters home because they would think "what is the point? Kerry is killing bush already"....

Originally Posted by Vilepagan
Those "dirty polls" that dare to show the democrats may be gaining popularity.

They also showed that Kerry would win in 2004. ............oops

He did.

""The stolen election of 2004: The Triumph of the Bush Machines

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/110804_stolen_election.shtml

Ha Ha get off it. Bush won. He won fair. If he stole the election, you would see CBS, Uncle Dan, and CNN all over it.

It looks like FT is gulping too much of that Kool Aid.


He did.

""The stolen election of 2004: The Triumph of the Bush Machines

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/110804_stolen_election.shtml

Or it would have modivated more Republicans to stay home and more Democrats to vote. The Republicans could have had the ........ we have lost no point in voting attitude. Don't you remember the exit polls. They practically proclaimed a Kerry victory just a few hours after the polls opened.

If those polls had any effect on the election at all it would have been to motivate more Republicans to vote and more Democrats to stay home. If that's your example of a 'dirty' poll it isn't helping your 'evil liberal media' argument at all.

Or it would have modivated more Republicans to stay home and more Democrats to vote.Why would polls showing Kerry ahead cause more Democrats to vote? That doesn't make any sense. Some Democrats are always looking for an excuse not to vote. Pushing the idea that Kerry was winning or had already won is all the excuse some would need to stay home. Republicans, by the way, are less easily dissuaded from voting by factors like bad weather (or polls) than Democrats. That's why traditionally Republicans benefit from low voter turnout while Democrats do better when turnout is high.

BUT... thanks for putting words into my mouth pagan... the polls im talking about are the ones that are off by whom is polled, and then presented as truth. You'll see the poll and the headline in big letters... and at the bottom in small letters you'll see "The public polled for this survey was 59% democrat- 41% republican"... LOL
That's because polls are RANDOM. If they were to even out to make it 50/50 THEN it would be a dirty poll because then it would be skewed and unscientific.

That's why traditionally Republicans benefit from low voter turnout while Democrats do better when turnout is high.
And here, all this time, (if I can crib a line from your camp...) I thought it was due to the "dimwitted masses" voting for a handout.

In the state of Ohio, the (republican) election workers were allowed to take the voting machines home with them. No wonder Kerry lost.

In the state of Ohio, this november, Ken Blackwell will be in charge of counting his own votes. Think he'll win?

In Arkansas, they had a case in one district where the voter turnout was 200% -- that's not a typo.

Given all that ... polls mean absolutely nothing until the outright voting fraud is cleaned-up.

BWAhahahahahaha .... ya can't make this stuff up.

In the state of Ohio, the (republican) election workers were allowed to take the voting machines home with them. No wonder Kerry lost.

Where the hell did you get that from????

In the state of Ohio, this november, Ken Blackwell will be in charge of counting his own votes. Think he'll win?

Well, he's behind 20 points in the latest poll. You know he doesn't actually count the votes himself right? It's not even his office that counts the votes. By law he oversees the election, not the actual counting. And, BTW, I fully plan on voting against the idiot, so don't try that one.

In Arkansas, they had a case in one district where the voter turnout was 200% -- that's not a typo.

Given all that ... polls mean absolutely nothing until the outright voting fraud is cleaned-up.

BWAhahahahahaha .... ya can't make this stuff up.

Well someone's obviously making this stuff up. With the exception of the Blackwell thing, which is more along the lines of ignorance.

Where the hell did you get that from????



Well, he's behind 20 points in the latest poll. You know he doesn't actually count the votes himself right? It's not even his office that counts the votes. By law he oversees the election, not the actual counting. And, BTW, I fully plan on voting against the idiot, so don't try that one.



Well someone's obviously making this stuff up. With the exception of the Blackwell thing, which is more along the lines of ignorance.

OK, since you so eloquently implied i'm ignorant I thought I had better check my sources.

You're right ... the machines being taken home happened in San Diego ... I apologize.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060719-9999-7m19diebold.html

In ohio it was the warehouse story -- mixed up my houses and warehouses :D

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/112104W.shtml

Blackwell down by 20? Don't think so ... and keep in mind, in Ohio, the dems have to be up by at least 8 to overcome the Diebold factor so if these polls are correct ... Blackwell will win

COLUMBUS – The Wall Street Journal Zogby Interactive Poll today indicated Republican gubernatorial nominee Ken Blackwell is in a close race with Congressman and former prison psychologist Ted Strickland. Blackwell trails Strickland by 4.6 points with a 3.2 percent margin of error. The survey mirrors a June 22 Zogby poll showing Blackwell trailing Strickland by only five points and a May 25 University of Cincinnati Ohio Poll showing Blackwell trailing Strickland by six points.

http://www.kenblackwell.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=442

You're right ... the machines being taken home happened in San Diego ... I apologize.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060719-9999-7m19diebold.html

That's pretty f*cked up.

Blackwell down by 20? Don't think so

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/breaking_news/15125547.htm

A poll published Sunday in The Columbus Dispatch showed Secretary of State Ken Blackwell 20 points behind Rep. Ted Strickland in the governor's race, and Sen. Mike DeWine trailing by 8 points in his re-election bid against Rep. Sherrod Brown.

... and keep in mind, in Ohio, the dems have to be up by at least 8 to overcome the Diebold factor so if these polls are correct ... Blackwell will win

Does the Diebold factor include machines from other companies? Because in Ohio it's on a county by county basis. In fact, one of the many reason I think Blackwell is an idiot is because when he issues rulings breaking tie decisions of county elections boards (which have 2 republicans and 2 democrats) about what machines to purchase, he always sides with the republicans (no surprise), which means he thinks different brands of machines are better depending on what county it is.



http://www.kenblackwell.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=442

I'm shocked that Blackwell's website has only poll numbers favorable to him.

That's pretty f*cked up.



http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/breaking_news/15125547.htm





Does the Diebold factor include machines from other companies? Because in Ohio it's on a county by county basis. In fact, one of the many reason I think Blackwell is an idiot is because when he issues rulings breaking tie decisions of county elections boards (which have 2 republicans and 2 democrats) about what machines to purchase, he always sides with the republicans (no surprise), which means he thinks different brands of machines are better depending on what county it is.




I'm shocked that Blackwell's website has only poll numbers favorable to him.


Point taken but I somehow see it going down as usual regardless of the point spread ...

Just before the elections, the push polling, Rush, Ann et al will release newly discovered information about Strickland ... he had a baby out of wed lock, has HIV from hanging with the hookers in Cleveland, he belongs to a underground group that is positioning itself to take away all guns, he has ties to Hezbollah through emails which can't be shown to the public due to national security and he once had an affair with Hillary ... er ... make that Bill.

Blackwell wins in a squeaker.

Blackwell wins in a squeaker.

Let's hope not.

Why is it that even though its even keel when people can take home voting machines... it still feels like FT is only blaming the republicans and the like...

what if your extreme lefty buddies got their hands on them and tried to F some shit up huh FT?

Why is it that even though its even keel when people can take home voting machines... it still feels like FT is only blaming the republicans and the like...

what if your extreme lefty buddies got their hands on them and tried to F some shit up huh FT?

I believe you should direct this question to me so here's the answer ...

The secretary of state in California is a republican choosen by a republican and that person is the keymaster for the voting systems. Dems would have no way of messing with the systems because they wouldn't have the resources, republicans would have the resources.

Simple enough?

Given how easy it supposedly is to hack into the machines, I can't see where resources and access codes for the machines would make any difference. Regardless, allowing people to take the machines home is clearly stupid.

Given how easy it supposedly is to hack into the machines, I can't see where resources and access codes for the machines would make any difference. Regardless, allowing people to take the machines home is clearly stupid.

I've always thought of you as one of the smarter posters Lionel, so you kinda caught me by surprise....

How would propose to hack a computer (that's basically what the voting machines are) when it is not even turned on or booted up?

Are you going to hack the RAM which is probably empty?
Hack the ROM? That won't get you much other than the bios and/or firmware and changes to either of those would stick out like a sore thumb.
Hack a hard drive that doesn't even have power to it? It wouldn't even know where it's Master Boot Record is. Maybe you're gonna apply your own 12V to the hardrive which means breaking the hardware seals. That won't be noticeable either will it?

Then, if you were successful, how are you going to cover your tracks so the machine passes the security checks? You wouldn't even be able to CAT or MORE (look at a file without opening it) a file without it showing in the logs or having it's date-time stamp changed (assuming security is properly setup).

That's why having the login codes is so important and BTW: it's why the republican secretaries of state, like the one in CA, keeps those codes close to the chest with no democrat even remotely near them.

Somehow this one had gotten by me ...

Republicans accuse Strickland (and his wife) of being gay? ROTFLMAO

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060728/NEWS09/607280411/-1/NEWS

And they toss out the race card. Pathetic.

Why is it that even though its even keel when people can take home voting machines... it still feels like FT is only blaming the republicans and the like...

I tend to blame them --people like Bush and his ilk--- because THEY are the ones using voting machines to steal elections.

what if your extreme lefty buddies got their hands on them and tried to F some shit up huh FT?

The "extreme left" politicians that I continually vote for usually garner around 1% of the nationwide vote.

It would take some pretty serious chicanery for any of them to **steal an election**.


OTOH, Bush has lost the last two elections by only a small margin. When it is that close, it is easily stolen , especially when the manufacturer of the voting machines is solidly behind (as he publicly stated) the stealing of the election.

(And even if those *extreme leftists* DID manage to somehow steal an election, it would simply mean that the nation would be saved from being destroyed --as is currently taking place-- by the ConservaFascists.)

I've always thought of you as one of the smarter posters Lionel, so you kinda caught me by surprise....

How would propose to hack a computer (that's basically what the voting machines are) when it is not even turned on or booted up?

Well gosh Dop, I don't know. Notice the phrasing "how easy it supposedly is" in my post. You, or at least other posters with a very similar political bent, have been posting non-stop since 2004 about how easy it is to hack the Diebold machines. Frankly I'm exceptionally shocked to see you applying logic and common sense to tear apart a theory. You should try that with all of the other conspiracy theories.

So to sum up, no, I don't actually think it's easy to hack a voting machine, although I still do think it's stupid to let election workers bring them home.

I have never intentionally implied a powered-down voting machine is hackable ... powered-up and in actual use at the polling places ... yes, easily hacked and having the codes makes it even easier.

Maybe next time you should bold supposedly :D