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500lbguerilla
07-13-2006, 03:03 PM
...International laws can Israel break?
Israel 'is using chemical ammunition'
By Duraid Al Baik, Foreign Editor
Dubai: A doctor at a Palestinian hospital has accused Israel of using a type of chemical ammunition which causes burns and injuries in soft tissue and cannot be traced by X-ray.
Chemical or depleted uranium could have been used in producing the new type of ammunition according to Dr Jomaa Al Saqqa, head of the Emergency Unit at Gaza's main medical facility, the Al Shifa Hospital.
In a telephone interview, Al Saqqa told Gulf News that operation Summer Rain was not just the code name of a military operation launched by Israel against Gaza since June 26.
"It is a live exercise on a new ammunition that, so far, has resulted in killing 50 Palestinians and injuring 200," he said....
He said he was not yet sure about the kind of chemical being used because the Israeli Army had bombed the only criminal laboratory in Gaza on the first day of the assault.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=AL%2020060713&articleId=2730
paulc
07-13-2006, 06:39 PM
I thought depleted uranium was used in all modern armoured piercing tank rounds.
es347fan
07-13-2006, 08:28 PM
Now there's mystery phantom bullets? Maybe they're using phasers & light swords.
Lungdop Philing
07-14-2006, 09:18 AM
A baby was sliced into three and body parts hung from olive trees as the full force of Israeli military might hit rural southern Lebanon Thursday....
On a charred mattress rest the remains of a burned baby girl, her arm to one side. Her upper body is at one end of the bed and her lower body at the other....
"They are killing civilians because they cannot kill Hezbollah militants. They want to bring us back to the occupation era. We cannot take this injustice any more. Will the world continue to watch them kill children without doing anything?"
Taken from ... http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=133381
The country of Israel is indiscriminately killing innocent civilians, mostly women and children, in the name of her people, mostly jews and being fully supported by the United States of America with financial and military hardware aid. That makes the entire country of Israel and the U.S. guilty of crimes against humanity.
For the record ...
Not in my name
Travh20
07-14-2006, 09:53 AM
all of the Israel is evil and the palestinians are simple freedom fighters stuf used to be somewhat amusing, but now that a war has broken out and we still got these 12 year olds pretending to be Che and sticking it to the man with every internet attrocity story they can find it is getting annoying.
paulc
07-14-2006, 10:06 AM
Trav,there is no war,just Isreali aggression,Im sure the ordinary people of Lebanon wished Hezbollah and Isreal just fucked off,and left them alone.
DrewM
07-14-2006, 04:09 PM
And I bet the Isreali's wished Hizbollah hadn't entered Isreal killed 8 soldiers & kidnapped 2 more, then started firing rockets into their cities.
Hizbollah & Lebanon get EXACTLY what they deserve. In my book, Isreal should increase the intensity of the attacks by 100 times & start a scorched earth policy in southern Lebanon. It's the ONLY thing groups like Hizbollah understand.
This is an opportunity for Isreal to destroy Hizbollah - they should take it.
None of this would be happening if it wasn't for Hizbollah's actions - so don't dare blame Isreal or start crying about collateral damage. Any deaths of civilians is blood on Hizbollah's hands. They might have started it, but Isreal will finish it.
People cry & moan, but if this was happening to the US - we'd understand 150%
Freethinker
07-14-2006, 05:13 PM
People cry & moan, but if this was happening to the US - we'd understand 150%
Really?!?!?!?
Let's take exactly the same situation, and tranfer it into terms of a group of terrorists from the US attacking Mexico.
According to YOUR insane fucking logic, if a terrorist group based in Texas, made up of American citizens, fired a few missiles over into Mexico, and killed two Mexicans, the country of Mexico would be perfectly justified to move military units into the US and begin to kill civilians.
Mexico could kill the baby of a Texas citizen, slice it into three parts and hang it from a mesquite tree, and your view of that would be ---
"Hey, that terrorist group started it!...Mexico can finish it!!, and I will stand tall and proclaim Mexico's RIGHT to kill as many Americans as they like!"
Interesting position.
paulc
07-14-2006, 05:27 PM
And I bet the Isreali's wished Hizbollah hadn't entered Isreal killed 8 soldiers & kidnapped 2 more, then started firing rockets into their cities.
Hizbollah & Lebanon get EXACTLY what they deserve. In my book, Isreal should increase the intensity of the attacks by 100 times & start a scorched earth policy in southern Lebanon. It's the ONLY thing groups like Hizbollah understand.
This is an opportunity for Isreal to destroy Hizbollah - they should take it.
None of this would be happening if it wasn't for Hizbollah's actions - so don't dare blame Isreal or start crying about collateral damage. Any deaths of civilians is blood on Hizbollah's hands. They might have started it, but Isreal will finish it.
People cry & moan, but if this was happening to the US - we'd understand 150%
Obviously your book aint worth shit,what makes you think Israel can defeat Hezbollah this time round.
''Dont dare'',who the fuck you think your talking to,get a hold of yourself man,''collateral damage is Hezbollahs fault'',what is it the blame game,that dosnt start till the Israelis go home,or have you forgotten how to play.
This is a big political gamble by Israel,to try and change the balance of power in the region,and for an Israeli PM with no military experience to get the hardliners at home onboard,nothing more,oh I forgot,apart from many Lebanese and Israeli civilians paying for it with their lives.
googs
07-14-2006, 06:20 PM
The Israeli invasion of Lebanon has spread a widespread of hatred for not only Israel but America too. While watching Al-Jazeera, I seen an elderly woman crying. Her innocent family was killed by the Israeli invasion. She only had a few words. Those words were "Death to Israel" and "Death to America." Too say it is completely justified in killing this woman's family is stupid. When I see posts like Drew and Siskos, it makes me think you guys belong in the Middle Ages. You guy seem to think that killing innocent civilians can by justified by everthing.
DrewM
07-14-2006, 06:59 PM
Quit the bleeding hearts please....it's pathetic & sickening.
Hezbollah started this - plain & simple. It's clear that moderate muslim countries Egypt, Jordan, Saudi believe this also based on their muted response to Isreal & condemnation of Hezbollah.
Isreal left Lebanon 6 years ago under a UN resolution. Part of that resolution was that Hezbollah would disarm. It never happened, and now, most certainly under the backing of Iran & Syria they attacked Israel. Yes the attack was minor, but that's not the point. If Isreal don't act then Iran & Syria win at Isreal's expense and terrorists wanting to attack Isreal become emboldened.
Any innocent people that die is a tragedy and nobody wants that to happen, but Isreal have attacked infrastrucure & Hezbollah strongholds, plus they dropped leaflets telling people where to stay away from. Hezbollah on the other hand fire rockets at Isreal with the single & only intent of killing civilians. No Lebanese citizens would be dead if Hezbollah hadn't attacked Isreal. The blame lies firmly with Hezbollah. They knew fine well Isreal would respond, that is exactly what Syria & Iran want. Isreal should launch raids on those 2 countries, blow up Assads palaces & Iran's nuclear facilities - watch them shit in their pants, beyond exporting terrorism there isn't a damn thing they could do about it.
I can tell you it sickens me to the core when I hear people immediately blame Isreal and completely ignore what they face, and go so far as to justify Hezbollah actions.
paulc
07-14-2006, 07:55 PM
Firstly,I speaking for me,totally condemn Hezbollah,and what they did in capturing 2 IDF troops,plus what theyve done to Lebanon and Northern Israel.
Israel reacted to the kidnappings with a military plan which would have taken weeks,months or years to compile.I see your back to blaming,for civilian deaths,the dead civilians dont fucken care,their still dead.Can you tell us your sourse for''they dropped leaflets telling people where to stay away from''.
Or were the leaflets tied to 500lb bombs.
paulc
07-14-2006, 07:59 PM
The Israeli invasion of Lebanon has spread a widespread of hatred for not only Israel but America too. While watching Al-Jazeera, I seen an elderly woman crying. Her innocent family was killed by the Israeli invasion. She only had a few words. Those words were "Death to Israel" and "Death to America." Too say it is completely justified in killing this woman's family is stupid. When I see posts like Drew and Siskos, it makes me think you guys belong in the Middle Ages. You guy seem to think that killing innocent civilians can by justified by everthing.
I dont know about you,but I couldnt say 'Death to Israel' or Death to America' in Arabic.To some people,what does it matter,it was only some arabs,who cares.
DrewM
07-14-2006, 08:10 PM
Firstly,I speaking for me,totally condemn Hezbollah,and what they did in capturing 2 IDF troops,plus what theyve done to Lebanon and Northern Israel.
Israel reacted to the kidnappings with a military plan which would have taken weeks,months or years to compile.I see your back to blaming,for civilian deaths,the dead civilians dont fucken care,their still dead.Can you tell us your sourse for''they dropped leaflets telling people where to stay away from''.
Or were the leaflets tied to 500lb bombs.
I am sure, like all militaries across the world, they have plans in place for any eventuality. Do you think militaries plan stuff at the last second?
I agree that civilian deaths is terrible, but what is Isreal's options? Do nothing? That isn't a good solution. It would make Isreal appear weak & result in more attacks. Isreal have a right to defend their citizens.
When we talk about civilians, lets remember that it is the terrorists (Hezbollah, Hammas etc) that absolutely target innocent civilians, their sole mission is to terrorize Isreal by killing it's innocent citizens.
Isreal has to react, it would be lacking if it did not, but Isreal (like the US) does everything it can to avoid the death of civilians, but such deaths will occur.
It's important to keep in mind what started the bombing of Lebanon. It wasn't Isreal. They withdrew 6 years ago & have not done anything in Lebanon until attacked, even though Hezbollah have never lived up to the UN security council agreements that lead to the withdrawl in 2000.
This situation is 100% the responsibility of Hezbollah & any civilian deaths are completely their fault.
googs
07-14-2006, 08:50 PM
That was just an example. The only reason that woman had said that is because her innocent family was killed. She took it out on Israel and America. I think she has a right to have resentment towards Israel and America. Israel is creating hatred for itself and America in the Arab world when it does these things.
es347fan
07-14-2006, 09:16 PM
Tough. The Arab world, as usual brought this upon themselves.
googs
07-14-2006, 09:29 PM
Tough. The Arab world, as usual brought this upon themselves.
Care to explain?
es347fan
07-14-2006, 09:36 PM
Did they not start this current incident? They went throwing stones (kidnapping) & looking for trouble. Well, trouble found them. It seems they aren't real bright. What has the Arab world learned from fighting with Israel in the past? Have they ever truly gained anything? It does not seem so. It seems that each time the Arab world has gone after the Israelis they've come away with less than they had to begin with.
paulc
07-14-2006, 09:37 PM
Drew,I have sat with your post awhile before responding.Let me get something out of the way first,I dont have a side in the conflict,my main concern is Lebonase and Israeli civilians.I have already said,cant remember were,that Israel has the technology to destroy Hezbollah with laser guided weapons,keeping the civilian casulitys at a minimum.The Israeli aggression over 2 troops,is way over the top,especially when there was reports tonite on Sky,that the Israelis have recieved info that all 3 troops are ok,the 3rd being the Gaza incident.Really,we have an Israeli PM,who knows jack shit about war,playing with innocent Israeli and Lebonese lives,its quite sickening.
Israel blames Lebanon,thats bullshit,unfortunatly.Lebanon isnt strong enough to rid itself of these parasites.
es347fan
07-14-2006, 09:45 PM
Lebanon should have taken measures long ago to rid themselves of the parasites. Is that not part of what the U.N. is all about? A number of posters here are anti-UN, myself among them, however, it is supposed to be a viable agency, with more than a few teeth. If that body is about anything, responding to a terrorist agency overtaking an estabilished government should be one of those priorities.
paulc
07-14-2006, 10:36 PM
Listen 347.Lebanon would love to be able to control all its boundaries,but it cant.
es347fan
07-14-2006, 11:37 PM
Then Lebanon should have asked for help long ago.
DrewM
07-15-2006, 12:55 AM
That was just an example. The only reason that woman had said that is because her innocent family was killed. She took it out on Israel and America. I think she has a right to have resentment towards Israel and America. Israel is creating hatred for itself and America in the Arab world when it does these things.
That may be true for the person on the street, but that doesn't make this Isreals fault.
Isreal, like any country have a RIGHT to defend themselves when attacked. If they didn't respond strongly then they would be attacked more.
I never hear anybody here complain about the people on the Isreali street & how they view things. How they have to spend time in bomb shelters, how they have to worry about being blown up in a cafe and so on.
Isreal wants nothing more to live in peace. They are surrounded by people who are very vocal about wanting to destroy Israel.
I'm realistic about how pointless actions like Iraq cause us needless harm & risk due to arab opinion, but when it comes to defending your country like Isreal must do, then arab opinion is almost irrelevant - it will be what it is & whatever comes of that comes of it. Isreal cannot stop defending themselves to appease Arab opinion. That would be nuts.
Maybe you think in response to being attacked Isreal should drop 100 dollar bills and tickets to the movies instead?
Lets face it - the arab world is weak & dumb. Attacking Isreal so blatantly is really dumb. The arab world is always going to lose against Isreal.
paulc
07-15-2006, 06:02 AM
Then Lebanon should have asked for help long ago.
Who was it gonna ask,I believe the Lebonese asked President Bush to ask the Israelis to call a ceasefire on Friday,he refused.
DrewM
07-15-2006, 06:08 AM
Who was it gonna ask,I believe the Lebonese asked President Bush to ask the Israelis to call a ceasefire on Friday,he refused.
es wasn't referring to them asking for help now, he meant they should have asked for help prior to rid the south of Hezbollah. They could have asked the UN, and other arab nations.
Now Isreal will not stop until Hezbollah is gone. This will last for weeks.
paulc
07-15-2006, 06:22 AM
Morning Drew,you being in N.O. you keep funny sleeping hours,anyway,let me pose a question to you,'who could they ask to rid themselves of Hezbollah' say a year ago,when you consider that their in the Gov,plus their intimadated by Syria,who do they turn to.
DrewM
07-15-2006, 06:58 AM
The issue is Hezbollah disarming, they wouldn't be removed from the government. Hezbollah are supposed to disarm as per the UN resolution that lead to Isreal withdrawing from Lebanon. They could have gone back to the UN.
Yes I do keep funny sleeping hours
es347fan
07-15-2006, 08:17 AM
Isn't the whole idea of the UN to be a world body of diplomacy & aid to those in need? Talk things out before the need for gunfire arises & all that? If that organization is to work as the idea under which it was formed, then member states need to put more into it .. more faith into the ideal. The League of Nations didn't work & the Untied Nations was born. Well, maybe the time has come to toss the UN into the pages of history & come up with something new.
paulc
07-15-2006, 08:23 AM
I dont think Hezbollah listen to anybody,apart from Tehran,I have to admit I was surprised by their strength and organisation,the fact they are financed to the tune of $100million a year by Iran should be looked into more thoroughly,maybe a banking investigation or something.I do agree,they need to go,so the people of N.Israel and S.Lebanon can for once in their lives go to bed at nite,without having to keep one ear open.I just think the IDF could have picked a better way of trying to oust them.
es347fan
07-15-2006, 08:26 AM
I still wonder who is going to toss the first nuke.The more fingers on the trigger the more likely the gun will go off.
500lbguerilla
07-15-2006, 06:21 PM
Imagine with me for a second...
A man takes a woman hostage because he fears he will be captured by police for his previous crimes. He has a history of kidnapping people. Sometimes they turn up alive, sometimes not. The police arrive on scene should they:
A. Try to negotiate her release.
B. Riddle the house with bullets risking certain death for both people.
C. Arial bombardmant of the house and the 4 surrounding city blocks, killing anyone living there, just to make sure he's dead.
I await your response...
DrewM
07-15-2006, 07:51 PM
Ok, but lets put your example in the context of Isreal.
A woman lives in a house surrounded by people that hate her & have repeatedly said that their aim is to kill her. The only reason they haven't killed her yet is she is stronger than they are. The surrounding people fire rockets on her house and one day a man from the group that surrounds her kidnaps her son.
Is she to negotiate? Or respond with force so they continue to understand that she is stronger & not to be messed with.
500lb - your unclever little scenario is just plain stupid because it bears absolutely no parallel with the situation.
It doesn't matter how many Isreali's die - you are so freakin blind to anything except what you want to see.
googs
07-15-2006, 07:57 PM
Ok, but lets put your example in the context of Isreal.
A woman lives in a house surrounded by people that hate her & have repeatedly said that their aim is to kill her. The only reason they haven't killed her yet is she is stronger than they are. The surrounding people fire rockets on her house and one day a man from the group that surrounds her kidnaps her son.
Is she to negotiate? Or respond with force so they continue to understand that she is stronger & not to be messed with.
This seems like it should be in the context of Palestinians up until the last part.
DrewM
07-15-2006, 08:19 PM
How do you figure that???
Palestinians are not surrounded by anybody who have repeatly stated their intent is to kill them
Hammas doesn't even recognize Isreal & it's manifesto is the destruction of Isreal.
It blow my mind how blind you people are, always hating Isreal, ignoring and supporting terrorism.
googs
07-15-2006, 08:42 PM
How do you figure that???
Palestinians are not surrounded by anybody who have repeatly stated their intent is to kill them
Hammas doesn't even recognize Isreal & it's manifesto is the destruction of Isreal.
It blow my mind how blind you people are, always hating Isreal, ignoring and supporting terrorism.
The only blind person here is you right now. Palestinians are occupied by Israel. Israel exercises a system of apartheid. In this system, they practice housing discrimination. In which, the homes of Palestinians are demolished and replaced by homes for Israeli settlers. They also place roadblocks over the occupied terrirtories. This keeps children from attending schools on time, adults from getting to their jobs on time, and it stalls medical emergencies for pregnant women and the elderly. Much of the pregnant women who wait for hours at these checkpoints have their babies in ambulances. And most who do, die! Don't forget their babies too. They die as well. Israel is also building a massive wall, which it claims is to keep many suicide bombers out of Israel. This wall prevents many palestinians from jobs, hospitals, and obtaining an education. They are days when they shut off electricity and bombard Palestinians with missiles. Leaving many to wonder, if they are going to be killed. Drew, do you not remember the beach murder, in which an innocent palestinian girl's family was murdered by Israel? It baffles me to see people like you speaking about the conflict this way. Which leaves me to this conclusion: You know nothing about the Palestinians and Israeli conflict.
Socialist
07-15-2006, 09:08 PM
Sometimes I wish Hitler had more time to finish the job.
Evakian
07-15-2006, 09:09 PM
Sometimes I wish Hitler had more time to finish the job.
See that, that's your credibility going out the window.
googs
07-15-2006, 09:15 PM
Sometimes I wish Hitler had more time to finish the job.
WTF...The people here arguing on the behalf of Palestnians do not wish that. You sir are an idiot.
Socialist
07-15-2006, 09:17 PM
Ha.... I did move the ground under your feet, but was just kidding .....
DrewM
07-15-2006, 09:30 PM
The only blind person here is you right now. Palestinians are occupied by Israel. Israel exercises a system of apartheid. In this system, they practice housing discrimination. In which, the homes of Palestinians are demolished and replaced by homes for Israeli settlers. They also place roadblocks over the occupied terrirtories. This keeps children from attending schools on time, adults from getting to their jobs on time, and it stalls medical emergencies for pregnant women and the elderly. Much of the pregnant women who wait for hours at these checkpoints have their babies in ambulances. And most who do, die! Don't forget their babies too. They die as well. Israel is also building a massive wall, which it claims is to keep many suicide bombers out of Israel. This wall prevents many palestinians from jobs, hospitals, and obtaining an education. They are days when they shut off electricity and bombard Palestinians with missiles. Leaving many to wonder, if they are going to be killed. Drew, do you not remember the beach murder, in which an innocent palestinian girl's family was murdered by Israel? It baffles me to see people like you speaking about the conflict this way. Which leaves me to this conclusion: You know nothing about the Palestinians and Israeli conflict.
It's always the same old pathetic story....
Well guess what? Newsflash - the palestinians have always been able to stop ALL of that. How? Stop sending their kids into Isreal to blow themselves up to kill Isreali citizens, renounce violence, accept Isreal's right to exist & negotiate a final solution. It's that simple. Until that time - they get what they deserve.
Lets face it - If Isreal wanted to, they could exterminate the palestinians. The very thing Hammas says they want for Isreal.
paulc
07-16-2006, 03:34 AM
Dont you think it would be beyond the Israeli syc to exterminate an entire race,considering their history.
googs
07-16-2006, 12:53 PM
It's always the same old pathetic story....
Well guess what? Newsflash - the palestinians have always been able to stop ALL of that. How? Stop sending their kids into Isreal to blow themselves up to kill Isreali citizens, renounce violence, accept Isreal's right to exist & negotiate a final solution. It's that simple. Until that time - they get what they deserve.
Lets face it - If Isreal wanted to, they could exterminate the palestinians. The very thing Hammas says they want for Isreal.
It's sad that you look at it as a story. I just hope you don't look at other world atrocities as stories....meanwhile
121 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 734 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
1,084 Israelis and 4,020 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.
7,633 Israelis and 30,281 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000
The U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and $232,290 per day to Palestinian NGO’s.
Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none
1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 9,599 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.
0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since September 29, 2000.
The Israeli unemployment rate is 8.9%, while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 25-31%.
60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian land between March 2001 and July 11, 2003. There have been 0 cases of Palestinians confiscating Israeli land and building settlements.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/index.html
500lbguerilla
07-16-2006, 11:39 PM
Ok, but lets put your example in the context of Isreal.
A woman lives in a house surrounded by people that hate her & have repeatedly said that their aim is to kill her. The only reason they haven't killed her yet is she is stronger than they are. The surrounding people fire rockets on her house and one day a man from the group that surrounds her kidnaps her son.
Is she to negotiate? Or respond with force so they continue to understand that she is stronger & not to be messed with.
500lb - your unclever little scenario is just plain stupid because it bears absolutely no parallel with the situation.
It doesn't matter how many Isreali's die - you are so freakin blind to anything except what you want to see. horrible example and you'll either have to admit that or that you're racist...you are trying to say that every single Palistinan person hates Israelis and wants to kill them all. That is the difference between your and my examples. In mine innocent people are being caught in the hate and violence. In yours you condemn every single person in the area of having the same feelings ad deserving the same violence as the actual perpetrator. So are you a racist or did you just use a bad example...I suppose t=you could alwys choose both if you want...
And don't call that a bullshit choice or a misuse of the term racism. You just labels a whole of millions of people as guilty bloodthristy monsters. Hitler would be proud.
I really expected more from you Drew.
BTW everyone has failed to answer my question...
500lbguerilla
07-16-2006, 11:41 PM
Look who's been kidnapped!
By Arik Diamant
Jul 8, 2006, 13:21
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_22471.shtml
Hundreds of Palestinian 'suspects' have been kidnapped from their homes and will never stand trial
It's the wee hours of the morning, still dark outside. A guerrilla force comes out of nowhere to kidnap a soldier. After hours of careful movement, the force reaches its target, and the ambush is on! In seconds, the soldier finds himself looking down the barrel of a rifle.
A smash in the face with the butt of the gun and the soldier falls to the ground, bleeding. The kidnappers pick him up, quickly tie his hands and blindfold him, and disappear into the night.
This might be the end of the kidnapping, but the nightmare has just begun. The soldier's mother collapses, his father prays. His commanding officers promise to do everything they can to get him back, his comrades swear revenge. An entire nation is up-in-arms, writing in pain and worry.
Nobody knows how the soldier is: Is he hurt? Do his captors give him even a minimum of human decency, or are they torturing him to death by trampling his honor? The worst sort of suffering is not knowing. Will he come home? And if so, when? And in what condition? Can anyone remain apathetic in the light of such drama?
Israeli terror
This description, you'll be surprised to know, has nothing to do with the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit. It is the story of an arrest I carried out as an IDF soldier, in the Nablus casbah, about 10 years ago. The "soldier" was a 17-year-old boy, and we kidnapped him because he knew "someone" who had done "something."
We brought him tied up, with a burlap sac over his head, to a Shin Bet interrogation center known as "Scream Hill" (at the time we thought it was funny). There, the prisoner was beaten, violently shaken and sleep deprived for weeks or months. Who knows.
No one wrote about it in the paper. European diplomats were not called to help him. After all, there was nothing out of the ordinary about the kidnapping of this Palestinian kid. Over the 40 years of occupation we have kidnapped thousands of people, exactly like Gilad Shalit was captured: Threatened by a gun, beaten mercilessly, with no judge or jury, or witnesses, and without providing the family with any information about the captive.
When the Palestinians do this, we call it "terror." When we do it, we work overtime to whitewash the atrocity.
Suspects?
Some people will say: The IDF doesn't "just" kidnap. These people are "suspects." There is no more perverse lie than this. In all the years I served, I reached one simple conclusion: What makes a "suspect"? Who, exactly suspects him, and of what?
Who has the right to sentence a 17-year-old to kidnapping, torture and possible death? A 26-year-old Shin Bet interrogator? A 46-year-old one? Do these people have any higher education, apart from the ability to interrogate? What are his considerations? If all these "suspects" are so guilty, why not bring them to trial?
Anyone who believes that despite the lack of transparency, the IDF and Shin Bet to their best to minimize violations of human rights is naïve, if not brainwashed. One need only read the testimonies of soldiers who have carried out administrative detentions to be convinced of the depth of the immorality of our actions in the territories.
To this very day, there are hundreds of prisoners rotting in Shin Bet prisons and dungeons, people who have never been –and never will be – tried. And Israelis are silently resolved to this phenomenon.
Israeli responsibility
The day Gilad Shalit was kidnapped I rode in a taxi. The driver told me we must go into Gaza, start shooting people one-by-one, until someone breaks and returns the hostage. It isn't clear that such an operation would bring Gilad back alive.
Instead of getting dragged into terrorist responses, as Palestinian society has done, we should release some of the soldiers and civilians we have kidnapped. This is appropriate, right, and could bring about an air of reconciliation in the territories.
Hell, if this is what will bring Gilad home safe-and-sound, we have a responsibility to him to do it.
Arik Diamant is an IDF reservist and the head of the Courage to Refuse organization.
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_22471.shtml
500lbguerilla
07-17-2006, 12:16 AM
Lookie at all them dead terrorists...
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-have-just-received-these-pictures.html
Evakian
07-17-2006, 08:33 AM
horrible example and you'll either have to admit that or that you're racist...you are trying to say that every single Palistinan person hates Israelis and wants to kill them all.
Actually the point of the angry neighbors was to illustrate the countries around Israel, as well as Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. I don't know where you get the idea that he believes eveyone in these unlisted territories is full of hate and/or bloodlust.
And don't call that a bullshit choice or a misuse of the term racism.
It is both a "bullshit choice" and a misuse of the term racism. From now on your name is Uncle Racism.
googs
07-17-2006, 11:10 AM
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/about_us/trailerw.html
500lbguerilla
07-18-2006, 07:27 PM
No it wasn't bullshit.
Drew declared (and you're defending him) that everyone around Israel deserves to die for the actions of a few militants. That is labeling them guilty. Either that or you see mass murder and collective punishment as a viable means of 'punishment' (which has been rejected by the international community).
The people (not militants) are either guilty and deserve punishment or the are innocent and being mass murdered by Israel....so which is it?
Cromagnon
07-18-2006, 11:01 PM
This aversion between Jews and Moslems is like the tale of the man who owned two Irish Bloodhounds who were always fighting to the point of almost killing each other... A wise man told him to take both dogs to the woods until they find a wolf, then the man must release one of the dogs from the chain so it would go and fight the wolf, the wolf is by far a stronger enemy, and when the wolf has the dog at its mercy the man must release the second dog, which will run to fight the wolf and defend the other dog, then at that moment both dogs will fight the wolf to the point of either make it run away or kill it. The man went with both dogs to the woods and it happened as the wise man said. The dogs never again fought against each other.
If Jews and Arabs are attacked by a third party, will they stop their silly wars, and fight that new common enemy?
I believe that the Jews could live among the Arabs as they did for hundreds of years without a problem, but now it is all about the creation of a country called Israel and with it Zionism.
500lbguerilla
07-19-2006, 07:25 PM
The zionists were bombing the Arabs when the British occupied the land as well. Yes common enemies can bring groups together but only if it depends on their survival. Short of aliens I can't see this happening. Look how easy it was for the US to inflame a secretarian war in Iraq while the US is still there...